U4: in-engine, in-game, in real-time, single PS4, 1080p60

#51 Posted by faizan_faizan (7866 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:
@faizan_faizan said:

@CrownKingArthur said:

why is this so incredulous?

it's not that hard to believe. look at what's happening, look at what's actually in the scene and the type of things that are happening.

that's not in game, that's a 'scripted' animation occurring in engine. look at what's on the screen, there's a few elements there but in terms of screen space it's mostly the model of his human head. now crudely, in your own brain just have a think - compare that workload to a 64 player game of battlefield 4.

doesn't it make sense that the ps4 could render that model, and those effects, that overall level of detail - in what's essentially a 3D animation? After all, that's not a dynamic scene where another player could fire a missle at Drake's face, that's basically a cutscene but taking place in a 3d game engine.

i bet you now, in real time gameplay, if you do the old trick of walking up close to a wall such that the camera positions with a very close view of drake's head/face, i bet you that in game - his face will look excellent (no homo). the technology is available to have a model that detailed, and to dynamically adjust the level of detail on things such as camera proximity to the model.

i'm mostly interested in the overall performance of 'gameplay'. wandering through the scene, shooting objects within the scene, observing the enemy movements, animations etc. here you've been presented with a 3d animation produced within a game engine.

That's not the point, this is probably an evolution in real-time graphics rendering. They've done it all so well. It's really, really hard to spot any flaws. Aliasing for example, there is aliasing but it's hard to see it. Whatever AA method they must have come up with might be better than super-sampling.

i think it's too early to tell if it's an evolution in real-time graphics rendering. if this is an evolution, then i think we'll see similar evolution across the board (excluding wii U).

i know the point i'm making, this thread's about the denial of some individuals who thought it wasn't possible for PS4 to output this real time animation, my point: I'm saying it makes sense it could.

in terms of doing it 'so well', well the video seems to be doing it's job, so yes they did.

I had not read the later part of your post, what you're saying is mostly true.

#52 Posted by Desmonic (14106 posts) -

SDC! Stealing E3 from Ninty am confirmed :P

#53 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4794 posts) -

@faizan_faizan: excellent. i was going for mostly true.

i wouldn't want to overdo it!

#54 Edited by lglz1337 (3778 posts) -

yup @lostrib and @MonsieurX eat a crow!

A BIG CROW

not even your master race shows something like this!

U4: in-engine, in-game, in real-time, single PS4, 1080p60 in your FACE!

#55 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@CrownKingArthur said:

i bet you now, in real time gameplay, if you do the old trick of walking up close to a wall such that the camera positions with a very close view of drake's head/face, i bet you that in game - his face will look excellent (no homo). the technology is available to have a model that detailed, and to dynamically adjust the level of detail on things such as camera proximity to the model.

This is the likliest of scenarios. There's probably multiple levels of assets being seamlessly transitioned. ND have been known for shifting workloads around on a system very effectively

I thought that was basically what they did in the previous Uncharted games, so when you aimed at something it did look better

Yepper! Which would lend further credence to the tweet saying ND had some crazy rendering pipeline.

#56 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@lglz1337 said:

yup @lostrib and @MonsieurX eat a crow!

A BIG CROW

not even your master race shows something like this!

why?

#57 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (14098 posts) -

@NFJSupreme said:

U4 trailer 720p60fps modern computer needed.

Definitely in engine and eurogamer says it definitely looks like it could be running in real time. Either way looks great and ND usually delivers when it comes to graphics and performance.

When people say the jump from last gen and this gen isn't as pronounced, I can't take them seriously anymore.

It's getting harder for the "master race," to throw shit as well, it's just devolved into concern trolling at this point.

#58 Posted by faizan_faizan (7866 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:

@faizan_faizan: excellent. i was going for mostly true.

i wouldn't want to overdo it!

LOL, you never go full true at SW.

#59 Edited by misterpmedia (3387 posts) -

By how they've aged him I'm fairly certain this will be the last Uncharted game of the franchise.

#60 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4794 posts) -
@lglz1337 said:

yup @lostrib and @MonsieurX eat a crow!

A BIG CROW

not even your master race shows something like this!

U4: in-engine, in-game, in real-time, single PS4, 1080p60 in your FACE!

for a similar level of interactivity i suggest 3dmark

#61 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

By how they've aged him I'm fairly certain this will be the last Uncharted game of the franchise.

honestly, that seems like a good thing. Or at least put it away for a few years. Although, UC4 drake looks like 40-50, so does that make Sully like 60-70, I wonder how old he will look

#62 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@NFJSupreme said:

U4 trailer 720p60fps modern computer needed.

Definitely in engine and eurogamer says it definitely looks like it could be running in real time. Either way looks great and ND usually delivers when it comes to graphics and performance.

When people say the jump from last gen and this gen isn't as pronounced, I can't take them seriously anymore.

It's getting harder for the "master race," to throw shit as well, it's just devolved into concern trolling at this point.

I wouldn't go that far. PCs are starting to actively push 4k resolutions these days and 4k monitors are getting much cheaper.

I do agree that the game is insane looking if that's the quality to expect

#63 Edited by misterpmedia (3387 posts) -

#64 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:
@lglz1337 said:

yup @lostrib and @MonsieurX eat a crow!

A BIG CROW

not even your master race shows something like this!

U4: in-engine, in-game, in real-time, single PS4, 1080p60 in your FACE!

for a similar level of interactivity i suggest 3dmark

I just don't understand why i need to "eat a crow"

#65 Posted by lglz1337 (3778 posts) -

@lostrib: it feels so amazing too see hermits eating their nails!

i know you do!

#66 Posted by tonitorsi (8397 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@tonitorsi said:

@faizan_faizan said:

And people were saying it was pre-rendered LOL.

Its the same shit every year, every single time a new Naughty Dog IP is revealed, we have a vocal group saying it ain't so.

I mean, its literally every year.

No joke.

Well to be fair this happened with TLOU and that DID end up being a pre-rendered cutscene. A lot of people thought that was gonna be real time stuff too. Which is what lead to a lot of skepticism this time round, from myself included. The fact that they worded it so similarly to TLOU's trailer too

They stated they were restricted with the PS3's hardware did they not? And even then, TLOU ended up looking just fine, a bit graphically inconsistent, but fine enough to be arguably one of the best looking games last gen. This time is unwise to expect the outcome to be the same as they are more opened and most likely on track to output the graphic fidelity displayed in the trailer.

#67 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@lglz1337 said:

@lostrib: it feels so amazing too see hermits eating their nails!

i know you do!

Actually I do need to clip my nails, thanks for reminding me

but what are you talking about?

#68 Edited by xhawk27 (7316 posts) -

So Uncharted 4 is using the Unreal 4 engine?

#69 Posted by Krelian-co (10954 posts) -

@PinkieWinkie said:

Lol @ all the lems and herms stating it was CGI or not rendered real time.

welll cg is the only way they will see that kind of graphics.

#70 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (14098 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@NFJSupreme said:

U4 trailer 720p60fps modern computer needed.

Definitely in engine and eurogamer says it definitely looks like it could be running in real time. Either way looks great and ND usually delivers when it comes to graphics and performance.

When people say the jump from last gen and this gen isn't as pronounced, I can't take them seriously anymore.

It's getting harder for the "master race," to throw shit as well, it's just devolved into concern trolling at this point.

I wouldn't go that far. PCs are starting to actively push 4k resolutions these days and 4k monitors are getting much cheaper.

I do agree that the game is insane looking if that's the quality to expect

Of course but when you look at the difference between cost/performance it's really an attractive option.

There's no bad looking games at this point really.

#71 Edited by Blabadon (26350 posts) -

Wow me like Uncharted Drake's Fortune wowed me Naught Dog.

Beautiful cutscene so far. Not saying it is so is kinda dumb until they prove me wrong, which I hope to God they do.

InFamous Second Son is absolutely flooring me with the graphics in its cutscenes. The gameplay's visuals are fantastic, but the cutscenes and the minute details are phenomenal. Can't wait to see what Naughty Dog can do.

#72 Posted by lglz1337 (3778 posts) -

@lostrib: you know exactly what i mean!

those comments about the ps4 in the past!

ohh you forgot ofcourse

bail out! you are proven WRONG!

#73 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@lglz1337 said:

@lostrib: you know exactly what i mean!

those comments about the ps4 in the past!

ohh you forgot ofcourse

bail out! you are proven WRONG!

I have no idea what you mean.
What exactly was I proven wrong about?

#74 Edited by Nonstop-Madness (9477 posts) -

One thing I noticed is that Drake is wearing his wedding ring. Not sure how that's supposed to play into the story but it's something to look out for.

EDIT - It could be Francis Drakes but I'm not sure why he'd be wearing it like that.

#75 Edited by tonitorsi (8397 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@tonitorsi said:

@faizan_faizan said:

And people were saying it was pre-rendered LOL.

Its the same shit every year, every single time a new Naughty Dog IP is revealed, we have a vocal group saying it ain't so.

I mean, its literally every year.

No joke.

Well every year sony fans also over exaggerate the graphics. Like when some were calling TLOU graphics king...I mean, seriously

And there's always going to be a certain vocal faction weighting in. You can't simply avoid that.

But ND, whether the issue is graphics related or not, consecutively have proven themselves to have the ability to deliver quality material. And I don't get why this has to be questioned yearly.

#76 Posted by misterpmedia (3387 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@misterpmedia said:

By how they've aged him I'm fairly certain this will be the last Uncharted game of the franchise.

honestly, that seems like a good thing. Or at least put it away for a few years. Although, UC4 drake looks like 40-50, so does that make Sully like 60-70, I wonder how old he will look

haha yeah was thinking the same thing...or Sully could already be gone and that voice in the trailer is just in his head. Would suck to have Uncharted end but it seems like a good progression to end on. Always enjoyed how they envisaged all of the mythical long lost cities and things.

#77 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@tonitorsi said:

@lostrib said:

@tonitorsi said:

@faizan_faizan said:

And people were saying it was pre-rendered LOL.

Its the same shit every year, every single time a new Naughty Dog IP is revealed, we have a vocal group saying it ain't so.

I mean, its literally every year.

No joke.

Well every year sony fans also over exaggerate the graphics. Like when some were calling TLOU graphics king...I mean, seriously

And there's always going to be a certain vocal faction weighting in. You can't simply avoid that.

But ND, whether the issue is graphics related or not, consecutively have proven themselves to have the ability to deliver quality material. And I don't get why this has to be questioned yearly.

Because fanboys (on both sides) are dumb. One has to overblow the significance of a short teaser trailer, and the other has to pretend they have poor eye sight

#78 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4794 posts) -
@xhawk27 said:

So Uncharted 4 is using the Unreal 4 engine?

not so sure.

according to wikipedia they're using an in house engine. makes sense i suppose because i guess this game will only be deployed to one platform, the sony playstation 4 o clock rock.

unreal 4 would be a great choice for a AAA game being released to multiple next gen platforms (except Wii U).

#79 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

@lostrib said:

@misterpmedia said:

By how they've aged him I'm fairly certain this will be the last Uncharted game of the franchise.

honestly, that seems like a good thing. Or at least put it away for a few years. Although, UC4 drake looks like 40-50, so does that make Sully like 60-70, I wonder how old he will look

haha yeah was thinking the same thing...or Sully could already be gone and that voice in the trailer is just in his head. Would suck to have Uncharted end but it seems like a good progression to end on. Always enjoyed how they envisaged all of the mythical long lost cities and things.

But we don't want Naughty dogs to just be stuck creating sequels. Better to give something a proper ending

#80 Posted by lglz1337 (3778 posts) -

@lostrib: suddenly braindead huh ?

i know this story act dumb when proven WRONG!

#81 Posted by misterpmedia (3387 posts) -

@Nonstop-Madness said:

One thing I noticed is that Drake is wearing his wedding ring. Not sure how that's supposed to play into the story but it's something to look out for.

EDIT - It could be Francis Drakes but I'm not sure why he'd be wearing it like that.

someone's got to die. The trailer is already foreboding in my view. That's another reason why I think this could be the last ever Uncharted :X.

@xhawk27 said:

So Uncharted 4 is using the Unreal 4 engine?

why would they license a third party engine? o.O

#82 Posted by Blabadon (26350 posts) -

Naughty Dog making sequels is how Uncharted 3 was spawned from hell #neverforget

#83 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@lglz1337 said:

@lostrib: suddenly braindead huh ?

i know this story act dumb when proven WRONG!

well you're not showing exactly how I was proven wrong, so how should I know what the hell you're talking about?

I mean can you do anything besides come into threads and throw vague insults or accusations at me, and then run away when I ask you what the fuck you're talking about?

#84 Posted by cfisher2833 (1699 posts) -

God are there a lot of morons in this thread.

1. In engine =/= in-game, real-time

2. Naughty Dog is not composed of ancient wise men with freakishly amazing coding talent that no one else in the industry has access to. They couldn't keep their last game at a fucking stable 30fps. Some gods!! Not to mention, the Last of Us looked like garbage. Terrible image quality, low res textures everywhere, jaggies, piss filters, just ugh...ugly as hell. Maybe it was enough to impress the idiots at IGN, but for people that are actually used to good looking games, it looked atrocious.

3. If you seriously think they're gonna pull off that level of IQ with that level of AA at a stable 60fps...you're a fucking idiot. Now, remove the high quality AA, tone down the ambient occlusion and other minor yet costly visual effects, make the environments confined enough ala the Order, and yeah, I can see it pulling off close to 60fps. The fact that the Order needs to run with black bars at 30fps while utilizing 4XMSAA (the kind of AA you would need for that level of image quality) should tell you something.

#85 Posted by stereointegrity (10724 posts) -

i dont understand how this is even possible on ps4

#86 Posted by tormentos (18133 posts) -

@lostrib said:

Did anyone doubt it was in engine? Doesn't mean that's what the game will look like during gameplay

Playing dumb i see re read the other uncharted 4 thread.

They (Naughty Dog’s Studio Coordinator Rodney Reece and Lead FX Artist Keith Guerrette) confirmed to us that the Uncharted 4 trailer showcased during Sony’s E3 2014 press conference was a part of an actual level in game.

By the way in case you miss it.

#87 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@tormentos: perhaps read what I actually said.

#88 Posted by misterpmedia (3387 posts) -

@lostrib said:

But we don't want Naughty dogs to just be stuck creating sequels. Better to give something a proper ending

Amen to that, the game should be something special if it's going to be hanging up the hat.

#89 Posted by foxhound_fox (88388 posts) -

I didn't think the PS4 contained Teh Cell, but apparently it must have some great hidden powah!

#90 Posted by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@foxhound_fox said:

I didn't think the PS4 contained Teh Cell, but apparently it must have some great hidden powah!

PS4=Quad Teh Cell

#91 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (14098 posts) -

@foxhound_fox said:

I didn't think the PS4 contained Teh Cell, but apparently it must have some great hidden powah!

It's obviously a variation of the cloud.

#92 Posted by NFJSupreme (5377 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@NFJSupreme said:

U4 trailer 720p60fps modern computer needed.

Definitely in engine and eurogamer says it definitely looks like it could be running in real time. Either way looks great and ND usually delivers when it comes to graphics and performance.

When people say the jump from last gen and this gen isn't as pronounced, I can't take them seriously anymore.

It's getting harder for the "master race," to throw shit as well, it's just devolved into concern trolling at this point.

People who say there isn't a jump probably have crappy computers looking at shitty compressed videos online. There is a jump and you saw it at launch.

As far as PC. PC will always do more. Higher resolutions. Higher framerates. PC will always push performance to the limits and over a generation the graphics on PC will just get better. To the point that consoles with their static hardware can't compete. But we are in the realm of diminishing returns now so it probably wont matter as much by the end of this gen. But people thought that at the beginning of last gen too.

#93 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (14098 posts) -

@NFJSupreme said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@NFJSupreme said:

U4 trailer 720p60fps modern computer needed.

Definitely in engine and eurogamer says it definitely looks like it could be running in real time. Either way looks great and ND usually delivers when it comes to graphics and performance.

When people say the jump from last gen and this gen isn't as pronounced, I can't take them seriously anymore.

It's getting harder for the "master race," to throw shit as well, it's just devolved into concern trolling at this point.

People who say there isn't a jump probably have crappy computers looking at shitty compressed videos online. There is a jump and you saw it at launch.

As far as PC. PC will always do more. Higher resolutions. Higher framerates. PC will always push performance to the limits and over a generation the graphics on PC will just get better. To the point that consoles with their static hardware can't compete. But we are in the realm of diminishing returns now so it probably wont matter as much by the end of this gen. But people thought that at the beginning of last gen too.

It's getting to be less about texture quality and dynamic lighting and more about seamless transitions and scale, computer generated content, etc.

Stuff that really excites me more than anything.

#94 Posted by misterpmedia (3387 posts) -

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/06/12/e3-2014-uncharted-4-star-thinks-its-the-last-one

Yep called it

#95 Edited by lglz1337 (3778 posts) -

@lostrib: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

this is amazing dat denial! from a hermit

#96 Edited by lostrib (37022 posts) -

@lglz1337 said:

@lostrib: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

this is amazing dat denial!

I'm not denying anything, I'm just asking for you to show where I was proven wrong

I'm a scientist so being wrong is nothing new, but I would like to know exactly what I was wrong about

#97 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@tonitorsi said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@tonitorsi said:

@faizan_faizan said:

And people were saying it was pre-rendered LOL.

Its the same shit every year, every single time a new Naughty Dog IP is revealed, we have a vocal group saying it ain't so.

I mean, its literally every year.

No joke.

Well to be fair this happened with TLOU and that DID end up being a pre-rendered cutscene. A lot of people thought that was gonna be real time stuff too. Which is what lead to a lot of skepticism this time round, from myself included. The fact that they worded it so similarly to TLOU's trailer too

They stated they were restricted with the PS3's hardware did they not? And even then, TLOU ended up looking just fine, a bit graphically inconsistent, but fine enough to be arguably one of the best looking games last gen. This time is unwise to expect the outcome to be the same as they are more opened and most likely on track to output the graphic fidelity displayed in the trailer.

Whether TLOU looked good or not in game is irrelevant. I'm just talking about how they said the debut showing was from a PS3 system when it was a pre-rendered cutscene and then they said similarly with uncharted 4 instead of using terms like "real time" or "in game". There's an odd vagueness about it for a studio so proud of their graphical prowess. It's not unwise to expect the same outcome, it's logical.

I hope it does look like that in game because it would be insane.

#98 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/06/12/e3-2014-uncharted-4-star-thinks-its-the-last-one

Yep called it

Well "end" is in the bloody title of the game and they reference it a lot in the narration of the trailer. Hardly a difficult assumption to make

#99 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (14098 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@lglz1337 said:

@lostrib: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

this is amazing dat denial!

I'm not denying anything, I'm just asking for you to show where I was proven wrong

I'm a scientist so being wrong is nothing new, but I would like to know exactly what I was wrong about

Have to get this printed on a t-shirt.

#100 Edited by Desmonic (14106 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

Naughty Dog making sequels is how Uncharted 3 was spawned from hell #neverforget

It was also how Godcharted 2 came to be. #neverforget