TwitchTV updates TOS to ban Hatred

TwitchTV updated their TOS for the sole purpose of banning Hatred and all based on an article written by the industry's biggest agitators, Lolygon.

http://blog.twitch.tv/2015/05/rules-of-conduct-update-adult-oriented-games/

Another win for the social justice nutjobs. The cancer to creativity, free expression and free speech.

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where is this article?

oh please...its not like this is stopping the game from being made. where is the proof that this is because of Hatred?

How is this stifling free speech? The game was made, the game can be played, the game can be legally purchased. Stifling free speech or creativity would be if any of those had been prevented.

Twitch is a private service and it reserves the right to ban anything on its servers that it deems inappropriate. Hatred is an awful game, so personally, no sleep lost on my end.

Why does Hatred get so much hate?

We know the media and SJW out there will go after and try to get it banned and such, but we... the gaming community and gaming outlets should support it. Im not saying we should buy it and give it good reviews, but we should let it have a chance at being a game, at existing, and just get treated like any other game.

It will most likely not be played by most and be forgotten quickly, but just let it be.

Lol @ Hatred being free expression or creativity.

They're not coming right out and saying it, but based on the wording of their press release: (i.e. "Previously, we made game-specific decisions about which games would and would not be available for broadcast – sometimes due to overtly sexual content, sometimes due to gratuitous violence. This is unsustainable and unclear, generating only further confusion among Twitch broadcasters."), their inclusion of all 26 verboten titles (List of Adults Only games), and the fact that there's no doubt that Hatred will receive an AO rating, it seems likely that this is a preemptive measure given the game's imminent release in the coming week or so.

I don't believe that it's necessarily the work of SJW complaining, but I could be wrong.

Hatred set out to be provocative with its antisocial ultraviolent themes and, for most people, that results in it having all of the charisma of the neighborhood dog that has just rolled in a pile of shit, but still wants to play.

The game will probably not appeal to the majority of mainstream media outlets because of its, likely niche, appeal and the associated, potentially revenue damaging, "toxic" baggage it brings.

This, in now way, obstructs free speech. It's a private company allowing you to use their service. In all fairness, I can't overly blame them if they have blocked any streaming of Hatred. In my opinion, it's a game in poor taste... However, that game can still be bought and played without any obstruction, which i'm okay with.

Who cares about that trash?

This seems pretty basic, but there's a lot of really dumb posters on this site who don't actually know what free speech is.

@CleanB: I want to play that trash.

This game is doing exactly what these developers wanted lol...

It's impossible to explain it to them as well. Even when you point it out to them multiple times, they still remain totally stupid.

I don't think twitch allows AO games to be streamed and this game is a bit to controversial and disturbing based on the content in the game.Maybe that is why twitch banned the game from being streamed.

I wan't to play it too.

Nothing wrong with murdering people for the lulz on a video game, I won't do that in real life, and I do it all the time in GTA.

@CleanB said:

@majadamus said:

@CleanB: I want to play that trash.

@nyadc: Yeah pretty much

There is legal justification for this on TwitchTV's end, as AO game designation could potentially include interactive adult XXX porn media and that's a legal liability with the company. The unfortunate truth is this has more to do with the failures of the ESRB rating system to develop a 17+ only rating system rather than an 18+ rating system. If they altered it to a 17+ only system with the AO rating right above it, a game with a 17+ only rating system would exclude anything deemed as pornographic as it's not legal to produce such content to a potential minor audience. It would be like the ESRB's equivalence of the MPAA's NC17 rating to do away with the trouble's associated with X-rated content.

You realize you're just as bad as these "sjw" assholes right?

Probably has sexual scenes or something

Hatred has received so much negative publicity, I pretty much want to play it simply out of curiosity.

It's a terrible thing, really. Curiosity.

A. How is this compromising free speech and creativity when the game will be able to be purchased and played?

B. Twitch is likely putting this ban in to cover their own asses, in case they get in some kind of heat if or when someone were to broadcast something extremely suggestive or gratuitous.

C. Nothing of value is lost here. The game is sporting an unprecedented sense of tastelessness, and its bullshit shock value is the only reason why people are bothering to give this game any attention.

D. There is zero proof that this TOS update is a direct response to Hatred's release.

Looking forward to keeping an open mind and experiencing Hatred before simply dismissively hastily writing it off as trash and wishing upon it failure.

It's exactly that type of knee jerk reaction that breeds intolerance and an unwillingness to delve into something you may disagree with at first glance that could lead to greater insight.

Someone like Steam (Valve) needs to make a video streaming service, imagine how insanely popular it would be if it was built into the client with no restrictions...
Oh wait they have already done this, why does twitch still exist?

Why do so many people not understand what free speech is? it really isn't complicated.

It's odd that OP is specifically mentioning Hatred, but seems to be ok with them also banning streaming of pornographic games.

What's wrong with porn games? As long as you are 18+ I don't see the issue. He is specifically mentioning Hatred because of the timing.

There isn't anything wrong with porn, but that doesn't mean people have to give you the spotlight to show off your porn.

@DrkeX said:

I wan't to play it too.

Nothing wrong with murdering people for the lulz on a video game, I won't do that in real life, and I do it all the time in GTA.

@CleanB said:

@majadamus said:

@CleanB: I want to play that trash.

But it's funny in GTA. It's okay to slaughter innocents if it's funny. At least that's the understanding I have of their logic.

@PernicioEnigma said:

@DrkeX said:

I wan't to play it too.

Nothing wrong with murdering people for the lulz on a video game, I won't do that in real life, and I do it all the time in GTA.

@CleanB said:

@majadamus said:

@CleanB: I want to play that trash.

But it's funny in GTA. It's okay to slaughter innocents if it's funny. At least that's the understanding I have of their logic.

There is no logic, that's the funny part. You can't argue with irrational people.

The difference being GTA never encourages the player to kill innocents. When it's done, it's entirely the player's decision.

With Hatred, killing innocents isn't just encouraged, but it's looking to be the game's focal point. Not to mention the tone being pretty morbid in comparison.

So GTA never encourages you to kill police officers then? Good luck getting past the prologue.

I totally agree, but very few people take issue with killing innocent people in GTA games and choose to do so for pleasure. I've said it before in a previous thread regarding this game, but basically what the issue boils down to for me is people are okay with killing innocent people in video games if it's done in a guilt free way, but when the narrative actively encourages you to do so, it's no longer guilt free, and suddenly people take issue, even though they're committing the same actions. At least people like Jack Thompson (remember that guy?) are consistent...

Twitch doesn't want AO rated games, therefore Hatred. Mmkay.

Also in God of War you go around murdering people for fun because you main character is an arsehole.

About the only thing I know about the game is that it seems to get a lot of... Hatred. :P

Seriously, I'll need to read up on the game to see what all the hubbub is about.

This isn't stifling "free expression and speech".

The game is being made. Anyone can purchase it if they so desire (as long as they are old enough).

Twitch, which also has freedom of expression/speech, can choose whether or not it wants to stream the game.

The first amendment doesn't guarantee that anything you want to express or create has to be supported by all other private or non-governmental companies. They have the same freedom of choice.

Game will sell like hotcakes, gets tons of youtube coverage.

Totalbiscuit alone giving his usual self loving pretencous Alan Partridge imitation will drum up bile.

If anything, buying this out of spite.

That prologue is charged by a narrative. You assume the role of a character, who in turn is a hardened criminal. It doesn't encourage you, but more so forces you to kill cops if you ever care to progress in the game. But it's the exact same way with gang members or other criminals you encounter throughout the game. Every character in the GTA series is despicable, yes. But that's the thing: They're characters in a pre-ordianed storyline. You're not emulating yourself in these situations, but instead channeling a profile that's already built. Many, many games do this. Not just GTA.

I feel a lot of this has to do with how a game, or any piece of fiction portrays its violence. Keep in mind the GTA series doesn't discriminate towards killing any specific group of people the way Hatred is seemingly going at it. The series has never had a mission where it tells you to kill some guy just walking down the street, or to kill a cop for no reason. The actions are done via the circumstances the characters find themselves in. When said characters are criminals, you don't expect them to be doing anything honourable. When you're not engaged in a mission however, when the willpower of the character is that of your own, there's nothing that encourages the player to stay on that route, nor is there any real incentive to it.

With Hatred, what have we seen so far? That killing people for no real reason is what the game is all about. It's where the developers want the game's incentive to lie. The violence is being portrayed in a way where you're going to feel the suffering of every single person you kill. It is deeply disturbing both in content and creation, and there doesn't seem to be any point to it aside from a guy being pissed off at the world. Honestly the game looks like it was made by someone who wanted to shoot up his or her high school back in the day. There looks to be a genuinely hateful (no pun intended) motive behind the making of the game.

It's a terrible thing to say, but tone in something like this matters a whole lot. It's a clear cut double standard. But in one way, shape or form, regardless of genre, we do a whole lot of killing in video games. Even Mario, as playful as he looks, has committed mass murder within his own realm of reality. But because of how the violence is channeled, it never really feels that way.

Perhaps Hatred can be an effective title in showing just how hypocritical gamers can be when it comes to violence. The only thing is that it doesn't look to have that intent. It just wants senseless and tasteless chaos.

`That prologue is charged by a narrative. You assume the role of a character, who in turn is a hardened criminal. It doesn't encourage you, but more so forces you to kill cops if you ever care to progress in the game. But it's the exact same way with gang members or other criminals you encounter throughout the game. Every character in the GTA series is despicable, yes. But that's the thing: They're characters in a pre-ordianed storyline. You're not emulating yourself in these situations, but instead channeling a profile that's already built. Many, many games do this. Not just GTA.

I'm not seeing the distinction...in Hatred you are playing a pre-ordained character and he, while being despicable, has a story why he's committing these crimes. I also don't see Hatred focused on killing specific groups of people...in the videos I've watched he's killing anything that moves and his problem appears to be with mankind on a whole.

Eh, I think you're reaching a bit TC. Also it's not just Hatred that is off-limits. It's anything ridiculously overly violent. Which I can understand. Anyone can make a Twitch account, much like Youtube. Sexual content and extreme violence kinda have to be a "no-no" due the lack of control of who is watching what; it's a protective measure to avoid future damage ("MAH KIDS SAW A BOOBIE ON YOUR SITE! GIMME MONEY!").

In any case, I'm sure the 5 people concerned about Hatred will also likely buy it.

His story is not one of circumstance. The character doesn't seem to find himself in any scenario that inclines him to perform these actions. It's basically "I'm angry, **** the world."

There's the distinction. It goes in with a purely hateful intent. The game seems to target everyone, yes. But from what we've seen it doesn't range much beyond innocents and cops. At any rate, how do you get behind something like that without it leaving an extremely bad taste in your mouth?

It's the first game in a long time to get Press for touching upon a touchy subject.

He's a social outcast and possibly has a mental illness. Even so, that's still his story that he's a social reject and I don't see what the big difference is anyways...is killing for power/money more honorable?

Now I just have to play it. :D

that...

that bolded part is the actual source and point of the controversy surrounding Hatred

and oh I've been thinking, you mainly western internet people who complain about sjw and free speech thing... ultimately it can actually be said that you yourself also the so called sjw and forcing your own understanding of the so called free speech, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Does that really work anymore? I mean twitch has as much safe guards as a porn site in warning viewers with content before seeing said content..

and yet I can still watch women show their tits on twitch, I can still watch a guy lose 10k real dollars on online poker to gain 30k from twitch stuff, I can still watch many other violent twitch streams, Oh and hentai games I've seen twitch streams for those.