TLOU a better Stealth/Action game than Metal Gear Solid V

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#1 Posted by soapandbubbles (3099 posts) -

Prove me wrong.

#2 Posted by jcrame10 (301 posts) -

@soapandbubbles: no need to, I would definitely pick TLoU, although MGS is a great game series. Both offer awesome, intense gameplay and great story telling. It's a shame more games aren't like TLoU and MGS.

#3 Posted by Blabadon (26549 posts) -

TLoU had decent gameplay, but MGS V Ground Zeroes had some of the best ever.

Also as a pure action game, TLoU can fall apart, as shown when you're forced into the infected melee sections.

#4 Edited by intotheminx (702 posts) -

How can we prove that when the MGSV isn't out yet? I believe Dishonored is a better stealth game than TLOU.

#5 Posted by Roler42 (766 posts) -

TLOU has stealth? I wouldn't know, the only thing people talk about in that game is the story and that's it, makes it seem like it has no gameplay at all

#6 Posted by intotheminx (702 posts) -

@jcrame10 said:

@soapandbubbles: no need to, I would definitely pick TLoU, although MGS is a great game series. Both offer awesome, intense gameplay and great story telling. It's a shame more games aren't like TLoU and MGS.

If you see Dishonored for cheap you should pick it up. It's a good stealth game with a good story. If you have a capable PC it's $7 on green man gaming right now.

#7 Posted by scottpsfan14 (5562 posts) -

TLOU has great stealth. And the touch of using sparse recources is very nice too. The game is amazing for sure. I haven't played MGSV so I couldn't tell you.

#8 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (17751 posts) -

No one beats Snake at stealth. TLOU has okay stealth but it's clunky and hampered by the uncharted stealth control elements. The sticking to walls, the terrible line of sight by the enemies. Plus Snake has much cooler stealth items at his disposal. Much more fun to mess with the soldiers.

And the MGS soldiers are much smarter than any of the AI in TLOU.

#9 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (17751 posts) -

@roler42 said:

TLOU has stealth? I wouldn't know, the only thing people talk about in that game is the story and that's it, makes it seem like it has no gameplay at all

MGS at least never pretends it's not a video game. Even if at times it also wants to be an epic movie.

#10 Posted by freedomfreak (40875 posts) -

I'd love to, but MGS5 isn't out yet.

#11 Edited by Cloud_imperium (3572 posts) -

I disagree . TLOU is a decent game but when it comes to Stealth it doesn't hold a candle in front of both Splinter Cell and MGS . Both are primarily stealth action games with a lot more stealth features . TLOU is also linear with a lot less freedom , while MGS V will have sandbox levels (at least it looks like that . We'll have to wait and see when it comes out)

#12 Posted by Netret0120 (2196 posts) -

This thread will pass 100+ posts filled with incessant babbling about how TLOU is a movie.

Btw MGS5 isn't out yet but if Ground Zeroes is anything to go by, I highly doubt TLOU has better stealth.

#13 Edited by jcrame10 (301 posts) -

@intotheminx: I don't really see first person and stealth mixing that well..maybe that's just because Thief was so bad though.

#14 Posted by soapandbubbles (3099 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

No one beats Snake at stealth. TLOU has okay stealth but it's clunky and hampered by the uncharted stealth control elements. The sticking to walls, the terrible line of sight by the enemies. Plus Snake has much cooler stealth items at his disposal. Much more fun to mess with the soldiers.

And the MGS soldiers are much smarter than any of the AI in TLOU.

The uncharted stealth?

IMO...TLOU plays better as a stealth game than MGSV.

take downs in MGSV seem cheap, quick and unsatisfying..you also cant use object like in TLOU to attract your enemies (bricks, bottles, etc) using the chokehold and shiv in TLOU is so satisfying and just more rewarding, same goes with the animations when doing them. ALSO there is NO hand to hand combat (punch or kick) for those that wish to do so compared to TLOU.

#15 Posted by intotheminx (702 posts) -

@jcrame10 said:

@intotheminx: I don't really see first person and stealth mixing that well..maybe that's just because Thief was so bad though.

Don't let that discourage you. The reviews for the game speak for themselves. Also, you can play through the game without killing anyone. Not too many games have that option anymore. You can either kick ass or save lives and the worlds outcome will change from it.

#16 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (8114 posts) -

LOL Stealth games.

#17 Posted by thehig1 (2195 posts) -

Splinter cell

Hitman absolution

Thief (orignal)

And metal gear solid

All do stealth better than the lat of us

#18 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (17751 posts) -

@soapandbubbles said:

@Bread_or_Decide said:

No one beats Snake at stealth. TLOU has okay stealth but it's clunky and hampered by the uncharted stealth control elements. The sticking to walls, the terrible line of sight by the enemies. Plus Snake has much cooler stealth items at his disposal. Much more fun to mess with the soldiers.

And the MGS soldiers are much smarter than any of the AI in TLOU.

The uncharted stealth?

IMO...TLOU plays better as a stealth game than MGSV.

take downs in MGSV seem cheap, quick and unsatisfying..you also cant use object like in TLOU to attract your enemies (bricks, bottles, etc) using the chokehold and shiv in TLOU is so satisfying and just more rewarding, same goes with the animations when doing them. ALSO there is NO hand to hand combat (punch or kick) for those that wish to do so compared to TLOU.

Uncharted had one or two stealth sections. They were awful.

#19 Posted by edwardecl (2239 posts) -

You can't hide bodies in TLoU.

#20 Posted by AmazonAngry (945 posts) -

currently, the Last of Us is the greatest stealth game. However, ground zeroes gameplay stealth were pretty epic, so we'll just have to see what happens with mgs5.

#21 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (17751 posts) -

@amazonangry said:

currently, the Last of Us is the greatest stealth game. However, ground zeroes gameplay stealth were pretty epic, so we'll just have to see what happens with mgs5.

No...it's not even close.

#22 Posted by soapandbubbles (3099 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

@amazonangry said:

currently, the Last of Us is the greatest stealth game. However, ground zeroes gameplay stealth were pretty epic, so we'll just have to see what happens with mgs5.

No...it's not even close.

its satisfying as a stealth game, from the take down animations, movement, use of objects/weapons, etc. just because you dont have an arsenal of weapons to silently take them down doesn't make it a poor stealth game.

#23 Posted by Bigboi500 (29999 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

I'd love to, but MGS5 isn't out yet.

A strong point that, oddly enough, hasn't been addressed yet. smh

#24 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (17751 posts) -

@Bigboi500 said:

@freedomfreak said:

I'd love to, but MGS5 isn't out yet.

A strong point that, oddly enough, hasn't been addressed yet. smh

Well..Ground Zeroes is technically a part of MGS5 so the game is out. Just not the rest of the game has been released yet.

#25 Edited by soapandbubbles (3099 posts) -

@Bigboi500 said:

@freedomfreak said:

I'd love to, but MGS5 isn't out yet.

A strong point that, oddly enough, hasn't been addressed yet. smh

MGSV ground zeroes is out

#26 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7319 posts) -

I've only played MGS 1 and 2, and didn't think either was particularly good. TLOU, on the other hand, was fantastic, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if TLOU is better than MGS 5.

#27 Posted by Gamerno6666 (1503 posts) -

Thief is better. Especially metal age.

#28 Edited by TheGuardian03 (21765 posts) -

You cant hide bodies in last of us.

You cant surprise the enemy and go "hands up" mode in last of us and force them to drop items.

The enemy AI in mgs 3 behaves more realistic.

The stealth in mgs is more light hearted and funny in a way while last of us is very serious and atmospheric and intense. It felt like fighting for your life.

Last of us wins in melee and atmosphere i'll give it that but everything else mgs does better and has more depth that last of us feels shallow and feels like it needs to take from mgs to be as good or close. Simply put mgs has more depth in gameplay overall.

You also have to know that snake is a stealth and cqc master and joel is just a normal human that managed to survive by physical strength and luck, so huge difference in experience there.

#29 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (3607 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

@Bigboi500 said:

@freedomfreak said:

I'd love to, but MGS5 isn't out yet.

A strong point that, oddly enough, hasn't been addressed yet. smh

Well..Ground Zeroes is technically a part of MGS5 so the game is out. Just not the rest of the game has been released yet.

Great, paying $20-$30 for a small part of a game.

#30 Posted by farrell2k (6325 posts) -

I am proud to say that I have never played a MGS game, but TLOU is a god damned movie. Boring as hell. The AI is stupid to the point of annoyance. If that's considered "stealth action", then I am glad I stopped playing it.

#31 Posted by MonsieurX (30407 posts) -

You played MGS V?

And lol TLOU a stealth game

#32 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (17751 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

I am proud to say that I have never played a MGS game, but TLOU is a god damned movie. Boring as hell. The AI is stupid to the point of annoyance. If that's considered "stealth action", then I am glad I stopped playing it.

#33 Posted by soapandbubbles (3099 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

You played MGS V?

And lol TLOU a stealth game

yes, ground zeroes is a part of MGSV is already out..and yes the last of us uses stealth and can be played like that.

#34 Posted by Krelian-co (11155 posts) -

lolno

#35 Posted by MonsieurX (30407 posts) -

@soapandbubbles said:

@MonsieurX said:

You played MGS V?

And lol TLOU a stealth game

yes, ground zeroes is a part of MGSV is already out..and yes the last of us uses stealth and can be played like that.

There you go

#36 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13591 posts) -

The Last Of Us is a survival game.

Metal Gear Solid is a Patient game.

The difference being that TLOU doesn't give you many options. Infact most of the time there are no meaningfull choices.

#37 Posted by lostrib (37484 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

I am proud to say that I have never played a MGS game, but TLOU is a god damned movie. Boring as hell. The AI is stupid to the point of annoyance. If that's considered "stealth action", then I am glad I stopped playing it.

By your own admission you only played a half hour of the game. I mean you didn't even get to any of the actual stealth or action parts

#38 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13591 posts) -

yeah I'm calling it.... Metal Gear is the better Stealth game.

#39 Posted by speedfog (3223 posts) -

What the fvck is this?

#40 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (17751 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

The Last Of Us is a survival game.

Metal Gear Solid is a Patient game.

The difference being that TLOU doesn't give you many options. Infact most of the time there are no meaningfull choices.

The fun in TLOU is choosing what to do when your resources are limited.

The fun in MGS is choosing what to do when your options are almost limitless.

#41 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13591 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide

Thats not a choice.... Thats an assessment.

Thats what happens when you limit resources, they also limit the way you play and you're left without meaningfull choices.

If you're low on Shivs, then not using is one to kill a clicker in a room full of clickers is not a choice, technically it is but choosing to use the shive on a clicker does nothing. They arent even particularly engaging to kill in stealth or combat. Play it on The Hardest Difficulty, there are no choices.

#42 Edited by soapandbubbles (3099 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

@soapandbubbles said:

@MonsieurX said:

You played MGS V?

And lol TLOU a stealth game

yes, ground zeroes is a part of MGSV is already out..and yes the last of us uses stealth and can be played like that.

There you go

gameplay won't change lol, its the same game...video's confirm this. besides the extra weapons, gadgets..etc. the core gameplay is the SAME!

#43 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (17751 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@Bread_or_Decide

Thats not a choice.... Thats an assessment.

Thats what happens when you limit resources, they also limit the way you play and you're left without meaningfull choices.

If you're low on Shivs, then not using is one to kill a clicker in a room full of clickers is not a choice, technically it is but choosing to use the shive on a clicker does nothing. They arent even particularly engaging to kill in stealth or combat. Play it on The Hardest Difficulty, there are no choices.

True. It's artificially created. But survival horror games work best when you're limited. Being a one man commando removes all the element of fear. But TLOU world is one of limited means to begin with. So while the limited choices may not be meaningful it is true to the world they created in the game. The whole point is to survive. A very different goal than the one you have when playing MGS game. Where your goal is espionage and infiltration.

#44 Edited by uninspiredcup (8892 posts) -

But Halflife 2 better.

#45 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13591 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide

Except theres no horror in The Last Of Us. And such limitations cause frustration, not fear or tension.

#46 Posted by MonsieurX (30407 posts) -

@soapandbubbles said:

gameplay won't change lol, its the same game...video's confirm this. besides the extra weapons, gadgets..etc. the core gameplay is the SAME!

Sure thing,will be the exact same game.

@uninspiredcup said:

But Halflife 2 better.

Nobody cares

#47 Edited by LostProphetFLCL (17490 posts) -

The Last of Us barely has stealth in it. Seemed like after the first quarter of the game it became absolutely obsessed with tossing you headfirst into firefights or having hordes of infected rushing you from all over.

Actually was my biggest gripe with the game as it seemed the option of stealth was taken away from you throughout most of the game. Really hope they axe most of the stupid action set pieces with the sequel...

#48 Posted by jg4xchamp (48303 posts) -

The Last of Us is terrific, but if Ground Zeroes is any inidcation than The Phantom Pain will easily clown any of these binary stealth/action games like The Last of Us.

The Phantom Pain looks to provide an actual sandbox gameplay system with a variety of options and crazy opportunities at your disposal, versus you could do this guns blazing/you could do this sneaky. The Phantom Pain flat out looks like to be more of a dynamic game in comparison to what The Last of Us is, and that to me is more rewarding in a video game than "we told a story that is basically The Road meets Children of Men, done not as well as either of those 2 things."

#49 Edited by Gue1 (10186 posts) -

not sure about MGSV because I have never played it but is at least much better than all the prior games. The gameplay in MGS games have never been particularly good to begin with. MGS games have always been more about the story and setting and atmosphere, etc. but not the gameplay. Many say that MGS series has some of the best boss fights? Bullshit. The setting for the fight might be epic but what you do is pretty menial and often monotonous and tedious if you're playing on higher difficulties without knowing their weaknesses.

#50 Edited by speedfreak48t5p (8114 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

But Halflife 2 better.

That is so relevant to this thread. Please continue.