Time "will solve" Wii U quality gap - Satoru Iwata

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#151 Posted by Epak_ (6765 posts) -

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"] *Teh Pikmenz*

Is that ingame, or photoshopped?

Peredith

Damn that looks amazing. I'm onboard if it looks like that while playing. I hope Zelda has that type of detail too. My excitement for Pikmin 3 has just risen considerably.

LOL, the real game doesn't look like that... just simple photo manipulation.

#152 Posted by istreakforfood (7749 posts) -

Time will solve the quality gap when they release their next console in 5 years time.APiranhaAteMyVa

No it won't ;).

#153 Posted by APiranhaAteMyVa (2869 posts) -

[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"]Time will solve the quality gap when they release their next console in 5 years time.istreakforfood

No it won't ;).

For a year
#154 Posted by King_Dodongo (3247 posts) -

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]My bet is we won't see anything from wiiu that beats the best on PS3 before Orbis comes,if ever.killzowned24

Pikmin 3 will beat the best on Ps3 by a lot, and that's due in May.

not even close.

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Too bad god of war sucks so much.
#155 Posted by Audacitron (911 posts) -

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] PS3 launched with a 40 mulitiplayer game.killzowned24

What does that have to do with optimization of hardware (in totality) or graphics?

what does success have to do with talk about graphics?And the point was that PS3 blew away PS2 on day1!

and lol at the sheep thinking that is pikman game shot.

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too bad.  Just  goes to show the difference graphics can make.

 

Everything looks so damn juicy delicious in that first pic.

 

Makes the real thing look so plastic and drab.

#156 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22416 posts) -

 

 

too bad.  Just  goes to show the difference graphics can make.

 

Everything looks so damn juicy delicious in that first pic.

 

Makes the real thing look so plastic and drab.

Audacitron

That was a screen from the E3 build last year.

It's actually been looking alot better

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keep in mind these were all taken in the game's photo mode. Normal gameplay has the camera zoomed out more.

#157 Posted by Samus3D (1675 posts) -

Wii U exclusives coming out

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#158 Posted by Fizzman (9869 posts) -

Those 2005 graphics sure do look average.  Ohhh wait, it's 2013.........

#159 Posted by silversix_ (14042 posts) -

Pikmin creatures sure looks detailed and cute but what is up with ground textures?????? Not better than pikmin 1&2 on GC and this is being released in 2013... Makes no sense to play with ants and have no grass but flat geometry with couple of leafs here and there.

#160 Posted by Chris_Williams (14874 posts) -

Call "damage control" all you want, but he's right. The damn thing has only been out for THREE F***ING MONTHS, and yet people are already calling doom on it, asking Ninty to release something in a short amount of time? That's impossible

It's not like the Vita where we actually gave it time, but how is that doing?

nintendoboy16
lol such a fanboy
#161 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24857 posts) -

Those 2005 graphics sure do look average.  Ohhh wait, it's 2013.........

Fizzman

so you're implying games from the PS3 and 360 are utter crap now?

#162 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -
Lol. "Just Wait" being resurrected? :P
#163 Posted by Fizzman (9869 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Those 2005 graphics sure do look average.  Ohhh wait, it's 2013.........

LegatoSkyheart

so you're implying games from the PS3 and 360 are utter crap now?

Graphically speaking?  Of course.  

Barely/almost never 720p/ sub 30FPS is awful.  

#164 Posted by AzatiS (7217 posts) -
I got 2005 dejavu... The difference is that back then was Sony talking like that... hmmmm....!! Something is weird isnt?
#165 Posted by AzatiS (7217 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Those 2005 graphics sure do look average.  Ohhh wait, it's 2013.........

LegatoSkyheart

so you're implying games from the PS3 and 360 are utter crap now?

Games from PS3/360 are games from PS3/360. Theres no need to buy a Wii U for games from PS3/360. And yes Ps3/360 are 8 years old consoles more or less
#166 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24857 posts) -

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Those 2005 graphics sure do look average.  Ohhh wait, it's 2013.........

Fizzman

so you're implying games from the PS3 and 360 are utter crap now?

Graphically speaking?  Of course.  

Barely/almost never 720p/ sub 30FPS is awful.  

Then we should consider, Batman Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Uncharted 1,2,3, Gears of War 1,2,3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Just Cause 2, Farcry 3, Borderlands, Borderlands 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Red Dead Redemption, Heavy Rain, Mass Effect 1, 2, Fable 2, Halo 3, Halo 4, Battlefield 3, Assassin's Creed 1,2,3,Brotherhood, Revelations, Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, DMC, The Witcher 2, Bioshock, Bioshock 2, Mirror's Edge, Portal 1,2, God of War 3, Killzone 3, Resistance 1,2,3, Journey, Ni No Kuni, Hitman Absolute, Alan Wake, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Saints Row The Third, Darksiders, Darksiders 2, Dishornered,

while we're at it lets add

Tomb Raider Reboot, Grand Theft Auto 5, Metal Gear Rising, and Bioshock Infinite to the list.

All crap games, right?

#168 Posted by LustForSoul (5842 posts) -
Don't put it on the dev's shoulders Nintendo. I guess he's right though.
#169 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

so you're implying games from the PS3 and 360 are utter crap now?

LegatoSkyheart

Graphically speaking?  Of course.  

Barely/almost never 720p/ sub 30FPS is awful.  

Then we should consider, Batman Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Uncharted 1,2,3, Gears of War 1,2,3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Just Cause 2, Farcry 3, Borderlands, Borderlands 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Red Dead Redemption, Heavy Rain, Mass Effect 1, 2, Fable 2, Halo 3, Halo 4, Battlefield 3, Assassin's Creed 1,2,3,Brotherhood, Revelations, Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, DMC, The Witcher 2, Bioshock, Bioshock 2, Mirror's Edge, Portal 1,2, God of War 3, Killzone 3, Resistance 1,2,3, Journey, Ni No Kuni, Hitman Absolute, Alan Wake, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Saints Row The Third, Darksiders, Darksiders 2, Dishornered,

while we're at it lets add

Tomb Raider Reboot, Grand Theft Auto 5, Metal Gear Rising, and Bioshock Infinite to the list.

All crap games, right?

They aren't crap, they're last gen. They're running on hardware that is (in several ways) worse then my phone. We expect more from next gen, that's all.
#170 Posted by 205212669269561485377169522720 (14458 posts) -

Lol. "Just Wait" being resurrected? :Plocopatho

I know right? Lol @ the irony. :P

#171 Posted by LadyBlue (3927 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Lol. "Just Wait" being resurrected? :Psanim02

I know right? Lol @ the irony. :P

Payback is a **** :twisted:

#172 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24857 posts) -

They aren't crap, they're last gen. They're running on hardware that is (in several ways) worse then my phone. We expect more from next gen, that's all.locopatho

My point is that last gen we got amazing games running on what a lot of you say is "Crap Hardware."

Unless all we get is poorly made garbage that plagued the Wii still like the awful Monkey Mischeif Party Time.

We should really expect the WiiU to get more games like Bayonetta or Darksiders, or Batman Arkham City.

A lot of the really good Wii games would probably have been considered AAA development during the Cube, PS2, and Xbox era.

#173 Posted by ChubbyGuy40 (26100 posts) -

They aren't crap, they're last gen. They're running on hardware that is (in several ways) worse then my phone. We expect more from next gen, that's all.locopatho

Who's hardware is worse than your phone?

#174 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"]They aren't crap, they're last gen. They're running on hardware that is (in several ways) worse then my phone. We expect more from next gen, that's all.LegatoSkyheart

My point is that last gen we got amazing games running on what a lot of you say is "Crap Hardware."

Unless all we get is poorly made garbage that plagued the Wii still like the awful Monkey Mischeif Party Time.

We should really expect the WiiU to get more games like Bayonetta or Darksiders, or Batman Arkham City.

A lot of the really good Wii games would probably have been considered AAA development during the Cube, PS2, and Xbox era.

So what? Time moves on. A meh game like Army of Two or Ninja Gaiden 3 (6 outta 10 level) would have been MINDBLOWING if it came out on N64 or PS1. But they didn't. They came out on modern consoles where competition in graphics, gameplay, online and every other area is very much higher standard then N64 or PS1. People expect better games from next gen. Otherwise, someone could just release Pac Man for PS4 and say "What? It was considered great on Atari 2600!"
#175 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24857 posts) -

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]They aren't crap, they're last gen. They're running on hardware that is (in several ways) worse then my phone. We expect more from next gen, that's all.locopatho

My point is that last gen we got amazing games running on what a lot of you say is "Crap Hardware."

Unless all we get is poorly made garbage that plagued the Wii still like the awful Monkey Mischeif Party Time.

We should really expect the WiiU to get more games like Bayonetta or Darksiders, or Batman Arkham City.

A lot of the really good Wii games would probably have been considered AAA development during the Cube, PS2, and Xbox era.

So what? Time moves on. A meh game like Army of Two or Ninja Gaiden 3 (6 outta 10 level) would have been MINDBLOWING if it came out on N64 or PS1. But they didn't. They came out on modern consoles where competition in graphics, gameplay, online and every other area is very much higher standard then N64 or PS1. People expect better games from next gen. Otherwise, someone could just release Pac Man for PS4 and say "What? It was considered great on Atari 2600!"

You mean better Graphics.

#176 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"] They aren't crap, they're last gen. They're running on hardware that is (in several ways) worse then my phone. We expect more from next gen, that's all.ChubbyGuy40

Who's hardware is worse than your phone?

360 and PS3. My phone has more RAM, outputs at a higher resolution, and has better apps/interface (tho that's software)
#177 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

My point is that last gen we got amazing games running on what a lot of you say is "Crap Hardware."

Unless all we get is poorly made garbage that plagued the Wii still like the awful Monkey Mischeif Party Time.

We should really expect the WiiU to get more games like Bayonetta or Darksiders, or Batman Arkham City.

A lot of the really good Wii games would probably have been considered AAA development during the Cube, PS2, and Xbox era.

LegatoSkyheart

So what? Time moves on. A meh game like Army of Two or Ninja Gaiden 3 (6 outta 10 level) would have been MINDBLOWING if it came out on N64 or PS1. But they didn't. They came out on modern consoles where competition in graphics, gameplay, online and every other area is very much higher standard then N64 or PS1. People expect better games from next gen. Otherwise, someone could just release Pac Man for PS4 and say "What? It was considered great on Atari 2600!"

You mean better Graphics.

No, I mean better in every way. Read the whole thing.
#178 Posted by ChubbyGuy40 (26100 posts) -

360 and PS3. My phone has more RAM, outputs at a higher resolution, and has better apps/interface (tho that's software)locopatho

More RAM doesn't mean better. Can your phone output 1440p? Consoles are capable of that, but it's not a supported option.

#179 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22416 posts) -

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] So what? Time moves on. A meh game like Army of Two or Ninja Gaiden 3 (6 outta 10 level) would have been MINDBLOWING if it came out on N64 or PS1. But they didn't. They came out on modern consoles where competition in graphics, gameplay, online and every other area is very much higher standard then N64 or PS1. People expect better games from next gen. Otherwise, someone could just release Pac Man for PS4 and say "What? It was considered great on Atari 2600!"locopatho

You mean better Graphics.

No, I mean better in every way. Read the whole thing.

I'm sorry but it doesn't always work that way. There have been games out this gen that have been complete steps back compared to last gen (resident evil 6 anyone?)

Meanwhile something like Revalations manages to stomp on it, and it's on a handheld no less

 

#180 Posted by StaticOnTV (583 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

You mean better Graphics.

Shinobishyguy

No, I mean better in every way. Read the whole thing.

I'm sorry but it doesn't always work that way. There have been games out this gen that have been complete steps back compared to last gen (resident evil 6 anyone?)

Meanwhile something like Revalations manages to stomp on it, and it's on a handheld no less

 

Well, to be fair it is going to consoles....
#181 Posted by Fizzman (9869 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

so you're implying games from the PS3 and 360 are utter crap now?

LegatoSkyheart

Graphically speaking?  Of course.  

Barely/almost never 720p/ sub 30FPS is awful.  

Then we should consider, Batman Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Uncharted 1,2,3, Gears of War 1,2,3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Just Cause 2, Farcry 3, Borderlands, Borderlands 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Red Dead Redemption, Heavy Rain, Mass Effect 1, 2, Fable 2, Halo 3, Halo 4, Battlefield 3, Assassin's Creed 1,2,3,Brotherhood, Revelations, Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, DMC, The Witcher 2, Bioshock, Bioshock 2, Mirror's Edge, Portal 1,2, God of War 3, Killzone 3, Resistance 1,2,3, Journey, Ni No Kuni, Hitman Absolute, Alan Wake, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Saints Row The Third, Darksiders, Darksiders 2, Dishornered,

while we're at it lets add

Tomb Raider Reboot, Grand Theft Auto 5, Metal Gear Rising, and Bioshock Infinite to the list.

All crap games, right?

Console exclusives dont look good graphically.  They only look good if you game on consoles.

Almost all of those games you mentioned look significantly better on PC's. 

You try playing Batman AC at my resolution with x8 MSAA.  

Console graphics BLOW.  

Wii U graphics are abysmal.  2005 graphics in a console that was released three months ago.  Fortunately the 360 and PS3 didn't come out three months ago.  

#182 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

You mean better Graphics.

Shinobishyguy

No, I mean better in every way. Read the whole thing.

I'm sorry but it doesn't always work that way. There have been games out this gen that have been complete steps back compared to last gen (resident evil 6 anyone?)

Meanwhile something like Revalations manages to stomp on it, and it's on a handheld no less

 

*rubs temples* Please read carefully. I'm talking about what people EXPECT from their next gen consoles and games. Obviously not every game lives up. But SOME have to, else people won't be buying it. I don't know anyone who's bought a WiiU, cos all we see are last gen games (either literally on 360/PS3 or looking and playing similarly eg ZombiU ain't far off Dead Island or Condemned) I think it's just Wii fanboys who got their balls blown off by a few good ports, but that's old hat to PS3/360 fans, we've been getting hundreds of those games for 7 or 8 years now.
#183 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"]360 and PS3. My phone has more RAM, outputs at a higher resolution, and has better apps/interface (tho that's software)ChubbyGuy40

More RAM doesn't mean better. Can your phone output 1440p? Consoles are capable of that, but it's not a supported option.

I really don't understand what you're on about. More RAM is better then less RAM... 1080P is better then 720P... I'm not saying my phone can run games like a console but it does have factually better hardware in some ways.
#184 Posted by ChubbyGuy40 (26100 posts) -

I really don't understand what you're on about. More RAM is better then less RAM... 1080P is better then 720P... I'm not saying my phone can run games like a console but it does have factually better hardware in some ways.locopatho

Faster RAM, such as those found in consoles, is better than the slow and low power RAM found in your phone. Consoles can do 1080p, sometimes even at 60FPS. It factually has inferior hardware for obvious reasons.

#185 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24857 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] No, I mean better in every way. Read the whole thing.StaticOnTV

I'm sorry but it doesn't always work that way. There have been games out this gen that have been complete steps back compared to last gen (resident evil 6 anyone?)

Meanwhile something like Revalations manages to stomp on it, and it's on a handheld no less

 

Well, to be fair it is going to consoles....

1 full year after the 3DS release.

#186 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24857 posts) -

*rubs temples* Please read carefully. I'm talking about what people EXPECT from their next gen consoles and games. Obviously not every game lives up. But SOME have to, else people won't be buying it. I don't know anyone who's bought a WiiU, cos all we see are last gen games (either literally on 360/PS3 or looking and playing similarly eg ZombiU ain't far off Dead Island or Condemned) I think it's just Wii fanboys who got their balls blown off by a few good ports, but that's old hat to PS3/360 fans, we've been getting hundreds of those games for 7 or 8 years now.locopatho

It's all about the graphics and you know it.

It has nothing to do with Performance, both the Xbox 360 and PS3 have had some faulty hardware and yet people went out and bought them, why?

Cause the games looked pretty.

#187 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"] *rubs temples* Please read carefully. I'm talking about what people EXPECT from their next gen consoles and games. Obviously not every game lives up. But SOME have to, else people won't be buying it. I don't know anyone who's bought a WiiU, cos all we see are last gen games (either literally on 360/PS3 or looking and playing similarly eg ZombiU ain't far off Dead Island or Condemned) I think it's just Wii fanboys who got their balls blown off by a few good ports, but that's old hat to PS3/360 fans, we've been getting hundreds of those games for 7 or 8 years now.LegatoSkyheart

It's all about the graphics and you know it.

It has nothing to do with Performance, both the Xbox 360 and PS3 have had some faulty hardware and yet people went out and bought them, why?

Cause the games looked pretty.

No, it's about the whole experience. Are you still doing the Wii fanboy thing of power = graphics? That sh!t's old, man.

Look at the Wii versions of any game. It's not just the graphics but the gameplay that's gimped from lack of power. Where was splitscreen on Wii COD? Where was hordes of enemies in Wii Dead Rising? Where's the army of minions in Wii Overlord? All cut from lack of power. Why did Wii only get rail shooters instead of proper Resi and Dead Space games? Not enough power. 

I got my 360 in 2007 for games like Halo3, COD4, Bioshock, Orange Box, Gears, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Forza 2, PGR3, Viva Pinata, Kameo, Dead Rising, Saint's Row, etc, which had bigger worlds and levels, more freedom, hordes of enemies, better AI and physics, amazing online, in addition to the better production values of graphics and sound which were of course welcome.

You can do the Wii fanboy thing and just yell at shiny graphics... but if that's true why are games like COD and GTA which have pretty mank graphics on consoles the best sellers????

Fact is, gamers want next gen gameplay in addition to graphics.

#188 Posted by Audacitron (911 posts) -

[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

 

 

too bad.  Just  goes to show the difference graphics can make.

 

Everything looks so damn juicy delicious in that first pic.

 

Makes the real thing look so plastic and drab.

Shinobishyguy

That was a screen from the E3 build last year.

It's actually been looking alot better

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ibjYsft1Q2vXZ7.png

i5Afyg0WvbAbH.png

keep in mind these were all taken in the game's photo mode. Normal gameplay has the camera zoomed out more.

 

Thanks for posting those.

 

There is a visual appeal there, but still falls short of what we should be seeing from a 1st party flagship title in 2013, and does nothing to dispell claims of PS3/360 equivalence.

 

And look at the terrain.  Blurry textures on a plain.  Painted on grass.  A miserly sparsity of geometry.

 

Granted, this isn't the viewing angle for normal gameplay, but these are nothing anyone could ever call 'next-gen graphics'.

 

The promotional image is great though, and really shows the potential for just how inviting a vibrant, truly organic environment could look.  I hope we get there some day.

 

 

original.jpg

#189 Posted by ronvalencia (15109 posts) -
[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Graphically speaking?  Of course.  

Barely/almost never 720p/ sub 30FPS is awful.  

locopatho

Then we should consider, Batman Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Uncharted 1,2,3, Gears of War 1,2,3, Oblivion, Skyrim, Just Cause 2, Farcry 3, Borderlands, Borderlands 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Red Dead Redemption, Heavy Rain, Mass Effect 1, 2, Fable 2, Halo 3, Halo 4, Battlefield 3, Assassin's Creed 1,2,3,Brotherhood, Revelations, Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, DMC, The Witcher 2, Bioshock, Bioshock 2, Mirror's Edge, Portal 1,2, God of War 3, Killzone 3, Resistance 1,2,3, Journey, Ni No Kuni, Hitman Absolute, Alan Wake, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Saints Row The Third, Darksiders, Darksiders 2, Dishornered,

while we're at it lets add

Tomb Raider Reboot, Grand Theft Auto 5, Metal Gear Rising, and Bioshock Infinite to the list.

All crap games, right?

They aren't crap, they're last gen. They're running on hardware that is (in several ways) worse then my phone. We expect more from next gen, that's all.

What phone do you have? iPhone 5? iPhone 5's PowerVR GPU wouldn't beat Radeon HD 4650M.
#190 Posted by ronvalencia (15109 posts) -

[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

i thought hardware quality gap was nintendos "strategy" since the wii,of course this had to lead to a software quality gap when it wasnt able to run hd and most multiplats

the wii U will probably have a quality gap as well compared to next gen consoles, in terms of software and hardware

LegatoSkyheart

Iwata is getting hounded by Investors right now.

If it gets any worse, Iwata would lose his job and Nintendo will probably be forced to bring out a Newer "Better" WiiU to suit better to 3rd Party, making the current WiiU pointless.

Well, atleast Radeon HD can scale.
#191 Posted by AznbkdX (3120 posts) -

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] *rubs temples* Please read carefully. I'm talking about what people EXPECT from their next gen consoles and games. Obviously not every game lives up. But SOME have to, else people won't be buying it. I don't know anyone who's bought a WiiU, cos all we see are last gen games (either literally on 360/PS3 or looking and playing similarly eg ZombiU ain't far off Dead Island or Condemned) I think it's just Wii fanboys who got their balls blown off by a few good ports, but that's old hat to PS3/360 fans, we've been getting hundreds of those games for 7 or 8 years now.locopatho

It's all about the graphics and you know it.

It has nothing to do with Performance, both the Xbox 360 and PS3 have had some faulty hardware and yet people went out and bought them, why?

Cause the games looked pretty.

No, it's about the whole experience. Are you still doing the Wii fanboy thing of power = graphics? That sh!t's old, man.

Look at the Wii versions of any game. It's not just the graphics but the gameplay that's gimped from lack of power. Where was splitscreen on Wii COD? Where was hordes of enemies in Wii Dead Rising? Where's the army of minions in Wii Overlord? All cut from lack of power. Why did Wii only get rail shooters instead of proper Resi and Dead Space games? Not enough power. 

I got my 360 in 2007 for games like Halo3, COD4, Bioshock, Orange Box, Gears, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Forza 2, PGR3, Viva Pinata, Kameo, Dead Rising, Saint's Row, etc, which had bigger worlds and levels, more freedom, hordes of enemies, better AI and physics, amazing online, in addition to the better production values of graphics and sound which were of course welcome.

You can do the Wii fanboy thing and just yell at shiny graphics... but if that's true why are games like COD and GTA which have pretty mank graphics on consoles the best sellers????

Fact is, gamers want next gen gameplay in addition to graphics.

This is System Wars. No gamer gives a damn about gameplay in system wars when you got good graphics. :P

#192 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22416 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

 

 

too bad.  Just  goes to show the difference graphics can make.

 

Everything looks so damn juicy delicious in that first pic.

 

Makes the real thing look so plastic and drab.

Audacitron

That was a screen from the E3 build last year.

It's actually been looking alot better

ibtN6Bb7I7RBL0.png

ibjYsft1Q2vXZ7.png

i5Afyg0WvbAbH.png

keep in mind these were all taken in the game's photo mode. Normal gameplay has the camera zoomed out more.

 

Thanks for posting those.

 

There is a visual appeal there, but still falls short of what we should be seeing from a 1st party flagship title in 2013, and does nothing to dispell claims of PS3/360 equivalence.

 

And look at the terrain.  Blurry textures on a plain.  Painted on grass.  A miserly sparsity of geometry.

 

Granted, this isn't the viewing angle for normal gameplay, but these are nothing anyone could ever call 'next-gen graphics'.

 

The promotional image is great though, and really shows the potential for just how inviting a vibrant, truly organic environment could look.  I hope we get there some day.

 

 

original.jpg

someday, but probably not any time soon.

I don't even think PCs have reached that level of photo realism yet.

Still the game looks pleasing to the eye all things considered

#193 Posted by AznbkdX (3120 posts) -

[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]That was a screen from the E3 build last year.

It's actually been looking alot better

ibtN6Bb7I7RBL0.png

ibjYsft1Q2vXZ7.png

i5Afyg0WvbAbH.png

keep in mind these were all taken in the game's photo mode. Normal gameplay has the camera zoomed out more.

Shinobishyguy

 

Thanks for posting those.

 

There is a visual appeal there, but still falls short of what we should be seeing from a 1st party flagship title in 2013, and does nothing to dispell claims of PS3/360 equivalence.

 

And look at the terrain.  Blurry textures on a plain.  Painted on grass.  A miserly sparsity of geometry.

 

Granted, this isn't the viewing angle for normal gameplay, but these are nothing anyone could ever call 'next-gen graphics'.

 

The promotional image is great though, and really shows the potential for just how inviting a vibrant, truly organic environment could look.  I hope we get there some day.

 

 

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someday, but probably not any time soon.

I don't even think PCs have reached that level of photo realism yet.

Still the game looks pleasing to the eye all things considered

They have actually. With a ton of mods and actually using the GPU(s) to its fullest extent.

I've seen Skyrim that actually looks pretty realistic with a crap ton of mods on it. To me though its fairly old hat since I've seen good graphics so many times that it didn't matter to me though.

#194 Posted by MirkoS77 (7131 posts) -

[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

 

 

too bad.  Just  goes to show the difference graphics can make.

 

Everything looks so damn juicy delicious in that first pic.

 

Makes the real thing look so plastic and drab.

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That was a screen from the E3 build last year.

It's actually been looking alot better

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keep in mind these were all taken in the game's photo mode. Normal gameplay has the camera zoomed out more.

That still looks good aside from the ground textures.  If it's zoomed out I don't think it'll nearly be that noticeable though.

#195 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] This happens with every launch of a console. It takes time to get used to the architecture and making games that take advantage of that platform. Just because it's similar to the 360 or PS3, doesn't mean it's a "copy/paste" job like most people think it is. That's not how it works.MirkoS77

I don't get this reasoning.  It does take time to get used to it, but that's usually done long before a new system hits the market.

"Each game console has its own unique qualities, and developers must go through a trial and error phase to acquire the knack of taking full advantage of them," Iwata told investors. "This time does not come until a final version of the hardware and development tools for the version have been made available and then a base for software development has been established. For Wii U, such a time finally came in the latter half of last year. In this sense, we could not avoid the trial and error stage to create games which take full advantage of the hardware."

Latter half of last year?  Like August onwards?  Maybe it was not the best idea to create and kick an obviously rushed system out the door when a base for software development has only been made available for a few months and architectural familiarity is not yet somewhat established.  I would think this would be happening for a good while behind the scenes as they also continue to support the Wii up until U's release.  Besides, isn't new hardware developed and basically finalized with minor differences years before it hits the shelves (Wii U was shown at E3 '11, and it looked no different then), and developers use this time to become familiar? At least more than a few months??  Did Nintendo just fail to get out the kits in good time, or did they so hastily throw together the Wii U that they weren't ready to until just mere months before its release?  

Reading this makes me wonder what they were doing for all this time.  If Nintendo wanted to get a head-start hardware release on Sony and MS, this is all good and well, except people won't buy the system because it has no games.  Iwata makes all this sound inevitable and part of the business and I don't entirely buy it.  Development kits should be in developers' hands a lot longer than a few months.  I am also NOT singling Nintendo out here (I'd lay the same blame at MS and Sony's feet), it's just considering Nintendo's software troubles I'm not at all surprised that Iwata comes out and says this.  It's no wonder the Wii U is suffering from something that seems so common sensical and necessary for a decent launch. 

thats how most industries work, you want your final version close to the release date, and you want to developers to be heading towards there with you the entire time. Even if its slight changes towards the end, the longer you leave the final revision out, the older it gets without any one ever getting to see it.
#196 Posted by Desmonic (13382 posts) -

Sorry Ninty... no dice :cool:

 

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#197 Posted by Samus3D (1675 posts) -

Reggie would probably kick Hirai's ass. 

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#198 Posted by Desmonic (13382 posts) -

Reggie would probably kick Hirai's ass. 

Samus3D

 

 

Nope and here is why:

 

 

Kaz died for our sins, he will be there

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And he will come back for Vengeance if someone tries to do Sony any harm! :cool:

 

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#199 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -
Some people say that this should be posted on every Nintendo thread so here we go (if not posted already):
#200 Posted by ConanTheStoner (4695 posts) -

Holy f*ck these Kaz gifs are great!  I'm saving each one I see lol.