This is why PC gaming isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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#1 Edited by Mr_Huggles_dog (644 posts) -

The new idea of Early Access and Kickstarter games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SqA1DgQVeg

So...another game got pulled from Steam for being completely broken. Only on PC will something like this happen. And it seems PC gamers are totally for it....until they can't play exactly what they knew they were getting into.

#2 Edited by clyde46 (44851 posts) -

Its a broken game.... Its not like consoles have broken games...... Keep reaching though.

#3 Edited by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -

It's not all it's cracked up to be, because it was terrible, thus Steam removed it and removed their Steam developer tag? Righto.

No doubt issues exist, along with every platform.

#4 Posted by Pffrbt (6528 posts) -

This topic is fucking stupid.

#6 Edited by lunar1122 (665 posts) -

HUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH? So some game gets pulled on steam and apparently its the end of the world? LAWL. Never even heard of this game before.

#7 Posted by Heirren (16514 posts) -

Steam can do what they want. It is complete bullshit. While xbox and playstation are bullshit on the surface, Steam is bullshit underneath. Having the ability to change a tos on pre existing game licenses one paid for in the past doesn't even seem legal to me.

#8 Posted by -Damien- (5269 posts) -

pc has no big budget, quality exclusives; most, if not all, are just bargain bin games

#9 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4394 posts) -

oh yeah early access is a funny one. i welcome an early access program, i own a few games that are in early access - i'm not disappointed yet but i am a pretty discerning fellow.

#10 Edited by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

pc has no big budget, quality exclusives; most, if not all, are just bargain bin games

You're gonna need to prove that, yo.

#11 Posted by blangenakker (2220 posts) -

Their fault for not updating it.

#12 Posted by lostrib (34324 posts) -
#13 Posted by soulitane (13429 posts) -

It's not hard to ignore the shit games out there.

#14 Edited by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -

@lostrib: Exactly my suspicion. It's always good to hear the admission.

#15 Posted by clyde46 (44851 posts) -
#16 Edited by commonfate (12252 posts) -

An open system is just terrible. PC gaming would be much better if Sony/MS were approving and licensing all games.

#17 Posted by -Damien- (5269 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

pc has no big budget, quality exclusives; most, if not all, are just bargain bin games

You're gonna need to prove that, yo.

no need to prove, it's a general consensus, like how can you proof water is wet?

#18 Edited by lostrib (34324 posts) -

@-Damien-: when was this general consensus made?

#19 Edited by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

no need to prove, it's a general consensus, like how can you proof water is wet?

I can't "proof" water is wet. I can only prove it. Still, burden of proof is on you.

#20 Posted by Heirren (16514 posts) -

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

#21 Posted by RoboCopISJesus (1363 posts) -

An open system is just terrible. PC gaming would be much better if Sony/MS were approving and licensing all games.

lmao

#22 Edited by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

Star Citizen?

Also, GTAV is coming to PC.

#23 Edited by RoboCopISJesus (1363 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@-Damien- said:

pc has no big budget, quality exclusives; most, if not all, are just bargain bin games

You're gonna need to prove that, yo.

no need to prove, it's a general consensus, like how can you proof water is wet?

Christ the anti-PC liars are getting really damn stupid.

Explain Blizzard, Feraxis, Sega, Epic, etc. big budget PC exclusives. Did you know that at MC 48% of high scoring PS4 games are indy titles?

#24 Posted by -Damien- (5269 posts) -

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

yup, pc is just an after-thought, secondary platform. When developers want to squeeze profit out of an already-released game, they make pc version 1-2 years later to get some extra bucks

#25 Posted by lostrib (34324 posts) -

I'm not really seeing an issue here

#26 Edited by clyde46 (44851 posts) -

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

As Lundy said. Star Citizen says hi.

#27 Posted by lostrib (34324 posts) -

@-Damien-: please stop lying

#28 Edited by -Damien- (5269 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@-Damien-: please stop lying

lying? see Dark Souls, GTAV just a couple of examples

#29 Edited by commonfate (12252 posts) -

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

PC games don't need to be big budget to have big returns. There's no need for licensing/publishing fees/dev kits/ridiculous ad costs. Surprises crop up all the time through word of mouth, it's an inherent trait of the platform. Not to mention PC communities are really impressive. Steady slow streams of sales keep communities active and people playing all manners of games whereas console devs/pubs gotta make various remasters to see any kind of secondary income.

It's a silly notion to write off the platform for. PC gaming isn't relevant/viable/w.e you're trying to argue because half of a game's budget doesn't go into the above costs? How is that possibly a fault?

#30 Posted by lawlessx (46536 posts) -
@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

You do know its heading to the PC right? nothing is being skipped. And to answer your question..the total war series

#31 Posted by Heirren (16514 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@-Damien- said:

pc has no big budget, quality exclusives; most, if not all, are just bargain bin games

You're gonna need to prove that, yo.

no need to prove, it's a general consensus, like how can you proof water is wet?

Christ the anti-PC liars are getting really damn stupid.

Explain Blizzard, Feraxis, Sega, Epic, etc. big budget PC exclusives. You know at MC 50% of high scoring PS4 games are indy titles?

I like pc more than both the xbox one and ps4. PS4 is a piece of shit right now. I was going to mention Starcraft, but who knows what the budget is on that. Sega? Fact of the matter is that the console market sees these releases on a regular basis. PC had Crysis in ............................2007. Star Citizen, is that even big budget, feels like the first game in 7 years that pc fanboys are hyping up. Facts are facts. GTA came out on consoles to make money. The pc is like watching Seinfeld on local syndication.

#32 Posted by clyde46 (44851 posts) -
@-Damien- said:

@lostrib said:

@-Damien-: please stop lying

lying? see Dark Souls, GTAV just a couple of examples

Stop lying. They are on PC.

#33 Posted by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

yup, pc is just an after-thought, secondary platform. When developers want to squeeze profit out of an already-released game, they make pc version 1-2 years later to get some extra bucks

That doesn't exactly refute the number of exclusives. That being said, answer my last post:

@-Damien- said:

no need to prove, it's a general consensus, like how can you proof water is wet?

I can't "proof" water is wet. I can only prove it. Still, burden of proof is on you, dimwit.

#34 Posted by lostrib (34324 posts) -

@-Damien-: so one developer generalizes all developers. Even though Sony has been prioritizing PC for some of their games

#35 Edited by Heirren (16514 posts) -

@commonfate said:

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

PC games don't need to be big budget to have big returns. There's no need for licensing/publishing fees/dev kits/ridiculous ad costs. Surprises crop up all the time through word of mouth, it's an inherent trait of the platform. Not to mention PC communities are really impressive. Steady slow streams of sales keep communities active and people playing all manners of games whereas console devs/pubs gotta make various remasters to see any kind of secondary income.

It's a silly notion to write off the platform for. PC gaming isn't relevant/viable/w.e you're trying to argue because half of a game's budget doesn't go into the above costs? How is that possibly a fault?

I wasn't writing it off.

#36 Posted by RoboCopISJesus (1363 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

yup, pc is just an after-thought, secondary platform. When developers want to squeeze profit out of an already-released game, they make pc version 1-2 years later to get some extra bucks

1. But he was factually wrong. There are several big budget exclusive PC games.

2. Afterthoughts don't have the most high scoring games every year, most sales (hardware and software), most gamers, and the best version of nearly all multiplats.

#37 Edited by hehe101 (602 posts) -

This is one of the bad things about PC it's just to open, it feels cheap most of the time.

#38 Edited by Wasdie (49621 posts) -

So don't buy those games. Problem solved.

This has never been an issue. A broken and buggy game fails and the developers cannot continue to function. It's been that way for 30 years. Not changing now.

At the worst the people who backed the projects that fail lose some money. Developers who have failed Kickstarter games can't just come back and beg for more money to make games. If their first one failed to make any profit because it was trash, word of mouth gets out and they'll never be able to gain any money through crowd funding. It's a problem that takes care of itself.

Meanwhile tons of working and good games get launched each year on the PC. Play those. Problem solved.

Making up excuses to not play PC games isn't hurting anybody but yourself. Also if you want short and linear $60 games for their "cinematic" quality, then keep gaming on the console. PC gaming is doing fine without your money and you're the one missing out on some of the best games ever made.

#39 Posted by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -
#40 Edited by BldgIrsh (1597 posts) -

Steam doing quality control. Thought people were whining that they needed to do this. Now they did and they're whining that they are?

Anyways, Huggles abandoned the thread just like how he abandoned his avvy.

#41 Posted by Heirren (16514 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

yup, pc is just an after-thought, secondary platform. When developers want to squeeze profit out of an already-released game, they make pc version 1-2 years later to get some extra bucks

1. But he was factually wrong. There are several big budget exclusive PC games.

2. Afterthoughts don't have the most high scoring games every year, most sales (hardware and software), most gamers, and the best version of nearly all multiplats.

Go ahead. Name some high budget pc games built specifically for the platform. The point isn't the money or whether the game is good or not. The point is the investment of the developers/publishers. There is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much potential on pc that no developers care to take on because with these big budgets, if the product fails, it can greatly impact the company investing.

#42 Edited by RoboCopISJesus (1363 posts) -

@Heirren said:

I like pc more than both the xbox one and ps4. PS4 is a piece of shit right now. I was going to mention Starcraft, but who knows what the budget is on that. Sega? Fact of the matter is that the console market sees these releases on a regular basis. PC had Crysis in ............................2007. Star Citizen, is that even big budget, feels like the first game in 7 years that pc fanboys are hyping up. Facts are facts. GTA came out on consoles to make money. The pc is like watching Seinfeld on local syndication.

If you think the last big budget exclusive PC title was in 2007 you shouldn't be attempting to debate anything, as you are likely trolling.

Also, most multiplats make it on PC day 1. They are all better on PC.

#43 Edited by commonfate (12252 posts) -

@Heirren said:

@commonfate said:

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

PC games don't need to be big budget to have big returns. There's no need for licensing/publishing fees/dev kits/ridiculous ad costs. Surprises crop up all the time through word of mouth, it's an inherent trait of the platform. Not to mention PC communities are really impressive. Steady slow streams of sales keep communities active and people playing all manners of games whereas console devs/pubs gotta make various remasters to see any kind of secondary income.

It's a silly notion to write off the platform for. PC gaming isn't relevant/viable/w.e you're trying to argue because half of a game's budget doesn't go into the above costs? How is that possibly a fault?

I wasn't righting it off.

Then what's the complaint? PC games aren't culturally relevant? They sport huge competitive scenes with prize pools reaching over 10+ million. Twitch streams draw in 10's of thousands of viewers and sometimes even over 100k current viewers. Moba's, Starcraft 2, WoW, Hearthstone, Civ 5 are still some of the most widely played games today with continued years of support.

Like I'm sorry if I'm missing out on something here but consoles can keep the Hollywood style of gaming. Give me the underappreciated niche titles like Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza and (used to be) Demon Souls over the Gears/Uncharted/Killzone slog. That's what I still keep consoles around for.

#44 Edited by clyde46 (44851 posts) -
@Heirren said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@-Damien- said:

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

yup, pc is just an after-thought, secondary platform. When developers want to squeeze profit out of an already-released game, they make pc version 1-2 years later to get some extra bucks

1. But he was factually wrong. There are several big budget exclusive PC games.

2. Afterthoughts don't have the most high scoring games every year, most sales (hardware and software), most gamers, and the best version of nearly all multiplats.

Go ahead. Name some high budget pc games built specifically for the platform. The point isn't the money or whether the game is good or not. The point is the investment of the developers/publishers. There is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much potential on pc that no developers care to take on because with these big budgets, if the product fails, it can greatly impact the company investing.

Star Citizen.

#45 Posted by lawlessx (46536 posts) -
@Wasdie said:

So don't buy those games. Problem solved.

This has never been an issue. A broken and buggy game fails and the developers cannot continue to function. It's been that way for 30 years. Not changing now.

At the worst the people who backed the projects that fail lose some money. Developers who have failed Kickstarter games can't just come back and beg for more money to make games. If their first one failed to make any profit because it was trash, word of mouth gets out and they'll never be able to gain any money through crowd funding. It's a problem that takes care of itself.

Meanwhile tons of working and good games get launched each year on the PC. Play those. Problem solved.

Making up excuses to not play PC games isn't hurting anybody but yourself. Also if you want short and linear $60 games for their "cinematic" quality, then keep gaming on the console. PC gaming is doing fine without your money and you're the one missing out on some of the best games ever made.

well what if they change their names and start another project?

#46 Posted by commonfate (12252 posts) -

@Heirren said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@-Damien- said:

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

yup, pc is just an after-thought, secondary platform. When developers want to squeeze profit out of an already-released game, they make pc version 1-2 years later to get some extra bucks

1. But he was factually wrong. There are several big budget exclusive PC games.

2. Afterthoughts don't have the most high scoring games every year, most sales (hardware and software), most gamers, and the best version of nearly all multiplats.

Go ahead. Name some high budget pc games built specifically for the platform. The point isn't the money or whether the game is good or not. The point is the investment of the developers/publishers. There is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much potential on pc that no developers care to take on because with these big budgets, if the product fails, it can greatly impact the company investing.

That's also relevant to consoles as well. How many studios shut down last gen? How many once centric Japanese console companies pumped out titles for the PS1/PS2 but had to run the handhelds to stay relevant? There's no safety net for console gaming, if anything it's more dangerous. The purpose of that statement eludes me.

#47 Edited by lostrib (34324 posts) -

@clyde46 said:
@-Damien- said:

@lostrib said:

@-Damien-: please stop lying

lying? see Dark Souls, GTAV just a couple of examples

Stop lying. They are on PC.

I feel like all Damien does is spread misinformation, half truths, or just flat out lies

#48 Posted by Heirren (16514 posts) -

@Heirren said:

@commonfate said:

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

PC games don't need to be big budget to have big returns. There's no need for licensing/publishing fees/dev kits/ridiculous ad costs. Surprises crop up all the time through word of mouth, it's an inherent trait of the platform. Not to mention PC communities are really impressive. Steady slow streams of sales keep communities active and people playing all manners of games whereas console devs/pubs gotta make various remasters to see any kind of secondary income.

It's a silly notion to write off the platform for. PC gaming isn't relevant/viable/w.e you're trying to argue because half of a game's budget doesn't go into the above costs? How is that possibly a fault?

I wasn't righting it off.

Then what's the complaint? PC games aren't culturally relevant? They sport huge competitive scenes with prize pools reaching over 10+ million. Twitch streams draw in 10's of thousands of viewers and sometimes even over 100k current viewers. Moba's, Starcraft 2, WoW, Hearthstone, Civ 5 are still some of the most widely played games today with continued years of support.

Like I'm sorry if I'm missing out on something here but consoles can keep the Hollywood style of gaming. Give me the underappreciated niche titles like Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza and (used to be) Demon Souls over the Gears/Uncharted/Killzone slog. That's what I still keep consoles around for.

There is no complaint. I agree with you about niche titles. Ive been vocal about the lack of actual gameplay on the xbox and playstation. The point was strictly about budgets. There is no comparison here. PC gaming could be so much more than it is if developers treated the platform the same way they do consoles. That is my point--that years ago the pc was pushing a LOT of genre. Console players could only hope for a stripped port. The interface would be catered to pc--the mouse and keyboard.

#49 Posted by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

yup, pc is just an after-thought, secondary platform. When developers want to squeeze profit out of an already-released game, they make pc version 1-2 years later to get some extra bucks

That doesn't exactly refute the number of exclusives. That being said, answer my last post:

@lundy86_4 said:

@-Damien- said:

no need to prove, it's a general consensus, like how can you proof water is wet?

I can't "proof" water is wet. I can only prove it. Still, burden of proof is on you, dimwit.

@-Damien- Hell-Thefuck-o.

#50 Posted by clyde46 (44851 posts) -

@Heirren said:

@commonfate said:

@Heirren said:

@commonfate said:

@Heirren said:

@-Damien-: I wouldn't say there are no quality exclusives. However you are right about there not being any big budget high quality games. It is as if developers have lost faith in the platform. Ten years ago the pc was the starting point in a lot of peoples eyes. Now it is just an after thought most of the time. When enormous culturally significant games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are skipping pc, you know there is an issue. Come to think of it I cant think of ONE big budget exclusive pc game. .

PC games don't need to be big budget to have big returns. There's no need for licensing/publishing fees/dev kits/ridiculous ad costs. Surprises crop up all the time through word of mouth, it's an inherent trait of the platform. Not to mention PC communities are really impressive. Steady slow streams of sales keep communities active and people playing all manners of games whereas console devs/pubs gotta make various remasters to see any kind of secondary income.

It's a silly notion to write off the platform for. PC gaming isn't relevant/viable/w.e you're trying to argue because half of a game's budget doesn't go into the above costs? How is that possibly a fault?

I wasn't righting it off.

Then what's the complaint? PC games aren't culturally relevant? They sport huge competitive scenes with prize pools reaching over 10+ million. Twitch streams draw in 10's of thousands of viewers and sometimes even over 100k current viewers. Moba's, Starcraft 2, WoW, Hearthstone, Civ 5 are still some of the most widely played games today with continued years of support.

Like I'm sorry if I'm missing out on something here but consoles can keep the Hollywood style of gaming. Give me the underappreciated niche titles like Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza and (used to be) Demon Souls over the Gears/Uncharted/Killzone slog. That's what I still keep consoles around for.

There is no complaint. I agree with you about niche titles. Ive been vocal about the lack of actual gameplay on the xbox and playstation. The point was strictly about budgets. There is no comparison here. PC gaming could be so much more than it is if developers treated the platform the same way they do consoles. That is my point--that years ago the pc was pushing a LOT of genre. Console players could only hope for a stripped port. The interface would be catered to pc--the mouse and keyboard.

They tried to treat the PC in the same manner as they do consoles and it never worked out. If you actually look at the way that publishers treat the console market you will realise that they see console players as nothing more than cash cows. Half finished games with day one DLC, pay to play online, HD remakes etc.

You mention stripped down ports, yet from where I'm standing I'm seeing console games being stripped down to virtually nothing. Nothing more than Hollywood style interactive movies.

I can see that there is money to made in console gaming but its at the expensive of you and me. Games back in the day were packed to the gills with content, now we praise games that can be finished in anytime over 10 hours.