The time has come: Reboot Metal Gear Solid

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#1 Edited by Gatech29499 (10 posts) -

I finished playing Ground Zeros, and all I can say is one thing: The plot is stupid at this point.

It's just too convoluted and has so many plot points that are so incredibly unjustified. Also, there is simply too much dependent story content, that so little people have kept up with. It would be easier if the stories were easier to digest, or if there were modern remakes of the game. However, there aren't. Playing through old MGS titles (especially 2), is an absolute pain, because they have aged horribly. I genuinely think very little people, even fans of the series like me, have any clue what's going on in the story. It's not because of how much story content there is. It's because there's too many conflicting details-- and the story is largely comprised of these.

Do you think just scrapping the story and starting over again is a horrible idea?

Seriously, let's just start from the beginning. Let's have Snake infiltrate Shadow Moses looking for nuclear capability, and in the process find a Metal Gear. Let's scrap everything else and come up with details. I think it's a better alternative to making endless ill-contained content at this point. It's why this series is declining in popularity. These games shouldn't be 75% cutscene either (which MGS4 honestly is) but rather have story telling more similar to the ratio in Uncharted.

And maybe this will be an absolute horrible thing for me to say but: let a western studio do it. The idea behind MGS is great I think. I just think the execution could be way better. Give it to a studio like RockSteady or Crystal Dynamics. I'm not even kidding...

#2 Posted by lostrib (31801 posts) -

SW isn't really the place for this, nor do you have the requisite number of posts to make a thread

#3 Edited by CyberLips (1660 posts) -

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#4 Edited by Gatech29499 (10 posts) -

You need 500 posts to make a thread on System Wars.

If this is true, lol @ the web developers.

#5 Posted by CrownKingArthur (3800 posts) -

@CyberLips said:

You need 500 posts to make a thread on System Wars.

If this is true, lol @ the web developers.

yeah. silly eh?

the web site has undergone a massive upgrade, and they still have to manually police things like this. seems redundant to me. would be like using microsoft excel, but doing all the maths on a calculator then typing it in.

#6 Posted by PannicAtack (20861 posts) -

Wait, there was a point when Metal Gear's storyline *wasn't* stupid and convoluted?

#7 Posted by rabakill (539 posts) -

Yes reboot. The games need better gameplay, more action and more direct storytelling. I have absolutely no desire to play any metal gear solid game in the near future.

#8 Edited by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

The plot has always been stupid and I love the games for it.

As for you not understanding whats going on in GZ I really don't see why. Unless you missed out on Portable Ops and more importantly Peace Walker. As convoluted as the series may be, the only game that fails to mesh with the others is MGS4. The Big Boss games are especially easy to follow.

As for a reboot, I say yes. Only because they don't really have a choice. The story has looped back around. The only place they can go from here is to remake MG1 and MG2, do a game featuring The Boss in WW2, or go beyond MGS4 with a new protagonist. None of which sound all that great.

#9 Edited by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

@rabakill said:

Yes reboot. The games need better gameplay, more action and more direct storytelling. I have absolutely no desire to play any metal gear solid game in the near future.

Funny because what you just described is exactly what we're getting with MGSV. Ground Zeroes pretty much proves that.

#10 Posted by Demonjoe93 (9431 posts) -

@gatech29499 said:

@CyberLips said:

You need 500 posts to make a thread on System Wars.

If this is true, lol @ the web developers.

yeah. silly eh?

the web site has undergone a massive upgrade, and they still have to manually police things like this. seems redundant to me. would be like using microsoft excel, but doing all the maths on a calculator then typing it in.

I wouldn't call this new Web design an upgrade.

#11 Posted by CyberLips (1660 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:

yeah. silly eh?

the web site has undergone a massive upgrade, and they still have to manually police things like this. seems redundant to me. would be like using microsoft excel, but doing all the maths on a calculator then typing it in.

I wouldn't call this new Web design an upgrade.

Some aspects i consider to be upgraded but i prefer the way it used to be.

#12 Edited by CrownKingArthur (3800 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:
@gatech29499 said:

If this is true, lol @ the web developers.

yeah. silly eh?

the web site has undergone a massive upgrade, and they still have to manually police things like this. seems redundant to me. would be like using microsoft excel, but doing all the maths on a calculator then typing it in.

I wouldn't call this new Web design an upgrade.

lol. that's a good joke!

yeah from gamespot's perspective they've upgraded their forum software, but for users the experience is ... well, each user can decide. i mean massive as in, they certainly made drastic changes.

#13 Posted by Cloud_imperium (1844 posts) -

Wait, there was a point when Metal Gear's storyline *wasn't* stupid and convoluted?

#14 Posted by jg4xchamp (46687 posts) -

Wait, there was a point when Metal Gear's storyline *wasn't* stupid and convoluted?

#16 Edited by Underdog123x (266 posts) -

Let the series die. Kojima is an overrated hack. And more importantly MGS is a series that caters to stupid people. It has a stupid plot, poor pacing and characters. The reedeming qualities of this series are far and few between.

Most people that I've met who are die hard MGS fans are usually the same people who ride the short yellow bus to school.

The plot has always been stupid and I love the games for it.

As for you not understanding whats going on in GZ I really don't see why. Unless you missed out on Portable Ops and more importantly Peace Walker. As convoluted as the series may be, the only game that fails to mesh with the others is MGS4. The Big Boss games are especially easy to follow.

As for a reboot, I say yes. Only because they don't really have a choice. The story has looped back around. The only place they can go from here is to remake MG1 and MG2, do a game featuring The Boss in WW2, or go beyond MGS4 with a new protagonist. None of which sound all that great.

That would a horrible idea. She was by far the worst character in the entire series and killing her was the most satisfying moment in the entire franchise.

#17 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (1017 posts) -

They should just move on from the Metal Gear storyline and explore a new one. I though it was all over after 4. They should have just started a new plot with old snake.

#18 Edited by MirkoS77 (6869 posts) -

The only MG with a half decent story was MGS, and even then by the end it started to get into nonsense. I say remake MGS with the Fox Engine, that would be fucking amazing. But for all that's Holy, get Kojima away from the pen, he's even admitted he really doesn't know what he's doing......he makes things up as he goes along, and it shows.

#19 Posted by Blabadon (25258 posts) -

Sure, I'm down for that.

I'll give Kojima props for MGS3's ending and some actually excellent moments in Peace Walker.

#20 Posted by MrYaotubo (2520 posts) -

The only game Kojima should reboot is Snatcher,but he´s a one trick pony and all he does is MGS now.

#21 Edited by UnbiasedPoster (637 posts) -

@CyberLips said:

You need 500 posts to make a thread on System Wars.

If this is true, lol @ the web developers.

They're just trying to keep us, the little man, down.

#22 Edited by AdobeArtist (22747 posts) -

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