The PC is the superior gaming platform - Definitive Edition

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#951 Edited by topgunmv (10237 posts) -

@04dcarraher said:
@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

Hell my old $700 rig from 2007 is proof enough, consoles make the lowest common denominator, they set the baseline in how multiplatform engines are designed around. These new consoles are no where near the performance ratio they were in 2005/2006. Pc's from 2011 could easy match the PS4, A 2013 that's faster yet being $650 isnt hard to fathom. The only time its wouldn't last the whole gen is if the pc orientated games are using assets and setting beyond what that system could run let alone the consoles.

I'd like to see this parts list then, because I'm looking at the october 2013 issue of maxpc on my phone, and I doubt their 750$ budget build would do it.

#952 Edited by Mr_Huggles_dog (1203 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

A $650 PC wouldn't have played Farcry 3 at that time (without everything turned off or down)....dunno why you think a $650 PC will last from start to finish for this gen.

#953 Posted by farrell2k (6148 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

A $650 PC wouldn't have played Farcry 3 at that time (without everything turned off or down)....dunno why you think a $650 PC will last from start to finish for this gen.

If a PS4 will play games with fixed hardware for the entire gen, a $650 PC that would be likely 2x as powerful would certainly be able to. Dunno why you think it wouldn't...

#954 Edited by remiks00 (1877 posts) -

@04dcarraher said:

@remiks00 said:

@04dcarraher said:
@Legend002 said:

@04dcarraher: TLoU won over 200 goty... yeah.

I wonder why...... all the Sony fanboys plastered the polls and forums raving how "great" it was since it was the only above average game to come out on PS3 in awhile. That game is not 10/10 material.... sorry to burst so many bubbles. Poor AI and is buggy at times, graphics is not consistent, unbelievable things like the zombies ignoring Ellie even with all her racket, No man, not even one like Joel, could realistically take down as many dozens of armed hunters as he does, and there are some points toward the end of the game where you fight then explore then fight is really repetitive and you can start to guess the pattern of whats to come.

You make a strong case tbh. TLoU is my favorite game on PS3; but it did have a lot of unfortunate AI qwerks. I'm just a bit biased towards the game because it was pretty much the only survival horror game worth a damn other than Dead Space last gen on consoles. :\

There is all kinds of survival horror games on Pc and more is coming out this and next year.

Yeah, I know. Last gen I didn't game on PC, so my selection was slim. I had a gaming rig back in 2004, and I went with the 360 in 2005 as my primary gaming system back then. I switched back to PC last year, built a new rig. I'm quite satisfied; PC gaming is better than ever these days. I still have a PS4 & PS3 on the side (but I barely turn them on tbh..).

#955 Edited by mikhail (2102 posts) -

Here's an interesting video that is relevant to this conversation. Palmer Luckey and Nate Mitchell of Oculus VR discuss VR technology and the current state of consoles, and where the PC market is today and where it will be a few years from now. Palmer makes some excellent points that will really enrage some of the fanboys around here...so it may be worth discussing in it's own topic. :D

Bullet points to take away from this:

-Current mid-range GPU's are more powerful than the current consoles

-In a couple of years, low end GPU's will be more powerful than the consoles

Palmer Luckey: "In 5 years, the consoles are going to be the same and even the bargain-basement, $300 back-to-school special laptops are going to be more powerful."

Nate Mitchell: "If you think about how far we've come in the last two years with VR, if you think where we're going to be in the next 5 years, you're not going to be playing a VR experience on your Xbox One or PS4, you're going to want to be playing on even a low-end Nvidia GPU."

Palmer Lucky: "The consoles of today have 10-year life cycles...within 5 years, we're going to be making hardware that no console would ever have a hope of touching. Not even just touching, but as resolution goes up and frame rate goes up, it could be that literally the consoles couldn't even output those resolutions, and when that happens there's not really much you can do to solve that problem."

#956 Edited by 04dcarraher (19599 posts) -

@topgunmv said:

@04dcarraher said:
@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

Hell my old $700 rig from 2007 is proof enough, consoles make the lowest common denominator, they set the baseline in how multiplatform engines are designed around. These new consoles are no where near the performance ratio they were in 2005/2006. Pc's from 2011 could easy match the PS4, A 2013 that's faster yet being $650 isnt hard to fathom. The only time its wouldn't last the whole gen is if the pc orientated games are using assets and setting beyond what that system could run let alone the consoles.

I'd like to see this parts list then, because I'm looking at the october 2013 issue of maxpc on my phone, and I doubt their 750$ budget build would do it.

Why wouldnt you think even a $750 would last as long as the consoles if the goal was to at least match or surpass them?

FX 6300, 8gb ddr3, AM3+ 970 board, Rosewill case, corsair 500w psu, 1tb hdd, and GTX 760 including dvd drive could be bought for under $680 last year. Heck there were deals on 7950's and 7970's before the bit mining craze seen some 7970's as low as $250. Now will a FX 6300 or gtx 760 7970 be viable in 5 years most likely not in pc oriented games that surpass the multiplat games limits brought on by these consoles.

#957 Posted by topgunmv (10237 posts) -
@04dcarraher said:

@topgunmv said:

@04dcarraher said:
@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

Hell my old $700 rig from 2007 is proof enough, consoles make the lowest common denominator, they set the baseline in how multiplatform engines are designed around. These new consoles are no where near the performance ratio they were in 2005/2006. Pc's from 2011 could easy match the PS4, A 2013 that's faster yet being $650 isnt hard to fathom. The only time its wouldn't last the whole gen is if the pc orientated games are using assets and setting beyond what that system could run let alone the consoles.

I'd like to see this parts list then, because I'm looking at the october 2013 issue of maxpc on my phone, and I doubt their 750$ budget build would do it.

Why wouldnt you think even a $750 would last as long as the consoles if the goal was to at least match or surpass them?

FX 6300, 8gb ddr3, AM3+ 970 board, Rosewill case, corsair 500w psu, 1tb hdd, and GTX 760 including dvd drive could be bought for under $680 last year. Heck there were deals on 7950's and 7970's before the bit mining craze seen some 7970's as low as $250. Now will a FX 6300 or gtx 760 7970 be viable in 5 years most likely not in pc oriented games that surpass the multiplat games limits brought on by these consoles.

Their build uses a 7790 for 126$.

The only unnecessary expenditure I see is an SSD for 70$, so you could substitute an ~200$ card.

Their next tier up baseline build uses a 7950 for 264$, so I'm guessing around this time period you would get around a 7850-7870 for about 200$. You could probably upgrade it later on to keep up, but I doubt it would last through the whole gen without doing so.

#958 Posted by Dasein808 (518 posts) -

@04dcarraher said:
@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

Hell my old $700 rig from 2007 is proof enough, consoles make the lowest common denominator, they set the baseline in how multiplatform engines are designed around. These new consoles are no where near the performance ratio they were in 2005/2006. Pc's from 2011 could easy match the PS4, A 2013 that's faster yet being $650 isnt hard to fathom. The only time its wouldn't last the whole gen is if the pc orientated games are using assets and setting beyond what that system could run let alone the consoles.

Now you've done it...

Expect 20+ pages of non-sequitur retardation.

#959 Posted by Mr_Huggles_dog (1203 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

A $650 PC wouldn't have played Farcry 3 at that time (without everything turned off or down)....dunno why you think a $650 PC will last from start to finish for this gen.

If a PS4 will play games with fixed hardware for the entire gen, a $650 PC that would be likely 2x as powerful would certainly be able to. Dunno why you think it wouldn't...

Look at the first Assasins Creed game....now look at the last. Devs find tricks and whatnot for consoles. They will do more and look better as time goes on.....just like any gen. So the PC ports will get more bells and whistles and then you'll have whatever few exclusives that really ramp up the bells and whisltes....you're thinking of straight AAA titles that are multplatform.

When that happens you'll need a better PC. Just like any gen.

#960 Edited by mikhail (2102 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

When that happens you'll need a better PC. Just like any gen.

I can agree with that much! There's always upgrades...and PC hardware gets more advanced and less expensive every year, and consoles just stay the same. No amount of optimization will ever improve underpowered laptop-grade hardware that much. By the end of this generation our freaking cell phones are going to be more powerful than the consoles.

#961 Edited by Cranler (8809 posts) -

@jedikevin2 said:

@Cranler said:

.At this point we can only go by the official min reqs.

Games like Unity and Arkham Knight will surely be more demanding. Multiplats typically have min reqs that meet or slightly exceed the consoles. Running the 460 on next gen games would be like using the 6600 on last gen games.

LOL. you dodge so hard. I know you like debates as you have done this with me for almost a decade.

  • Developer states he runs just fine on a laptop with some low mobile video card (dodge)
  • I discuss my Pc (dodge)
  • Have no problems gaming (Looks to degrade stating it would be like playing games on a 6600?) (dodge city)

I do love how we are almost officially 2 years into this "generation" yet your looking for ways to look to the future. End of the day, a 650 dollar pc from 2013 would have no issue to play any game now and into the foreseeable future.

He said to take his laptop performance with a grain of salt. His gpu is 2gb while yours is a mere 768 mb. Hard to say how much vram it will use. If you're playing at 720p and lowest settings you'll probably be matching xbone settings which I would imagine is designed to use more vram.

Your 460 is as far behind the new consoles as a 6600 was behind the least gen consoles. Maybe I'm being a bit ectreme. Maybe yours is as far behind as the 7600 was for last gen. The 7600 didn't last long last gen.

Sorry dude a console that is barely more powerful than the 360 doesn't begin a new gen. Just wait until all multiplats are built from the ground up for next gen consoles and see how well your system handles it.

@04dcarraher said:

@jedikevin2 said:

@Cranler said:

.At this point we can only go by the official min reqs.

Games like Unity and Arkham Knight will surely be more demanding. Multiplats typically have min reqs that meet or slightly exceed the consoles. Running the 460 on next gen games would be like using the 6600 on last gen games.

LOL. you dodge so hard. I know you like debates as you have done this with me for almost a decade. I do love how we are almost officially 2 years into this "generation" yet your looking for ways to look to the future. End of the day, a 650 dollar pc from 2013 would have no issue to play any game now and into the foreseeable future.

What is also funny is that Arkham Knight is still based on the UT3 engine so its going to scale well on midranged cards from 4 years ago. Assassin's creed since the 3rd one have been ported very poorly so unless Ubi changes their tune no one is going to care about their games in general.

Wasn't Bioshock based on UE 2? How well did the high end gpu's from 2003-2005 handle that?

@RoboCopISJesus said:

Lol cheating in SW. Finding every fucking way they can swindle and game reality.

PC is 1 system. Consoles are each 1 system. Stop being idiot trolls.

PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

We don't know that for sure. Howell do the ast few Assassins Creeds run on even high end pc's from the 360 launch period?

#962 Edited by mikhail (2102 posts) -

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

You can't compare PC's with ten years ago with PC's of today, and use that to determine which games today's PC's may run in ten years - the growth of PC hardware is exponential, not linear, and definitely does not coincide whatsoever with the system requirements of games. You would be guessing at best.

#963 Edited by RoboCopISJesus (1408 posts) -

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You lose. You have no argument.

#964 Posted by Mr_Huggles_dog (1203 posts) -

See....now we have to account for unwritten rules.

B/c hey....there are some unwritten rules some ppl acknowledge and there there are some they don't.

So....yeah.....

#965 Posted by Krelian-co (10972 posts) -

When you guys can play every single console game on a single system, you can count them as one, until then keep trying

As a member of the master race i should tell you guys that a jelly console peasant is even more sad than a regular console peasant.

#966 Edited by mikhail (2102 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

See....now we have to account for unwritten rules.

B/c hey....there are some unwritten rules some ppl acknowledge and there there are some they don't.

So....yeah.....

This sort of goal post moving that "All consoles are one system" only occurs when PC steps into the ring. Any other time, it's PS4 vs Xbox One vs Wii U...how convenient.

#967 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong. I've already proven why it's best to compare all consoles vs pc. All you can do is say "but the rules say such and such" because you have no proper counter.

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

@mikhail said:

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

The past can give insight into the future.

#968 Edited by Cranler (8809 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:

@04dcarraher said:
@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

Hell my old $700 rig from 2007 is proof enough, consoles make the lowest common denominator, they set the baseline in how multiplatform engines are designed around. These new consoles are no where near the performance ratio they were in 2005/2006. Pc's from 2011 could easy match the PS4, A 2013 that's faster yet being $650 isnt hard to fathom. The only time its wouldn't last the whole gen is if the pc orientated games are using assets and setting beyond what that system could run let alone the consoles.

Now you've done it...

Expect 20+ pages of non-sequitur retardation.

Well according to you most steam users have low end pc's so maybe the devs will better accommodate all those low end pc owners with settings that go below the consoles.

#969 Posted by topgunmv (10237 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong. I've already proven why it's best to compare all consoles vs pc. All you can do is say "but the rules say such and such" because you have no proper counter.

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

@mikhail said:

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

The past can give insight into the future.

Why exactly would you compare gta5 console sales to diablo 3 pc sales?

#970 Edited by Krelian-co (10972 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong. I've already proven why it's best to compare all consoles vs pc. All you can do is say "but the rules say such and such" because you have no proper counter.

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

@mikhail said:

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

The past can give insight into the future.

You have proven nothing but the fact that you are a desperate consolite that acknowledges the fact that you need to sum all consoles to beat a single system, hence the superior system.

#971 Edited by mikhail (2102 posts) -

@Cranler said:

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

Does the fact that McDonald's has sold billions of hamburgers worldwide make them restaurant known to man? Your argument is irrelevant. We're discussing which is the superior platform here. If you want to talk about which platform has sold the most copies of something, go start your own topic.

#972 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -

@topgunmv said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong. I've already proven why it's best to compare all consoles vs pc. All you can do is say "but the rules say such and such" because you have no proper counter.

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

@mikhail said:

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

The past can give insight into the future.

Why exactly would you compare gta5 console sales to diablo 3 pc sales?

Someone else brought it up in another thread. They are the fastest selling games for their platforms so it makes a good comparison for how well games sell on each platform.

#973 Edited by farrell2k (6148 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

Look at the first Assasins Creed game....now look at the last. Devs find tricks and whatnot for consoles. They will do more and look better as time goes on.....just like any gen. So the PC ports will get more bells and whistles and then you'll have whatever few exclusives that really ramp up the bells and whisltes....you're thinking of straight AAA titles that are multplatform.

When that happens you'll need a better PC. Just like any gen.

Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. My 9800gt still played Assassins Creed Black @720p better than either the 360 or ps4.

#974 Edited by Mr_Huggles_dog (1203 posts) -

@mikhail said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

See....now we have to account for unwritten rules.

B/c hey....there are some unwritten rules some ppl acknowledge and there there are some they don't.

So....yeah.....

This sort of goal post moving that "All consoles are one system" only occurs when PC steps into the ring. Any other time, it's PS4 vs Xbox One vs Wii U...how convenient.

Funny how that works out for you when you say "PC Master Race vs Dirty Console Peasants" and such things.

Plus you guys never own up to things that are true and go by "NO!!!...you can afford a PC for $5 if you know go to this site...that brings you to this site....and then you get this hardware from this site....and you build it yourself". And "PC runs Star Citizen at 4k with AAAAAAA on .....and the triple uber buffering with specular shadow light quality turned up to ULTRA MAX".....but then never say or even admit when brought up that not everyone has a super computer.

Thats sort of shit is annoying. It's the usual bullshit parameters/excuses.

#975 Posted by mikhail (2102 posts) -

@Cranler said:

Someone else brought it up in another thread. They are the fastest selling games for their platforms so it makes a good comparison for how well games sell on each platform.

Oh my god dude...here you go again taking the discussion off topic YET AGAIN. It's irrelevant.

#976 Edited by mikhail (2102 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@mikhail said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

See....now we have to account for unwritten rules.

B/c hey....there are some unwritten rules some ppl acknowledge and there there are some they don't.

So....yeah.....

This sort of goal post moving that "All consoles are one system" only occurs when PC steps into the ring. Any other time, it's PS4 vs Xbox One vs Wii U...how convenient.

Funny how that works out for you when you say "PC Master Race vs Dirty Console Peasants" and such things.

Plus you guys never own up to things that are true and go by "NO!!!...you can afford a PC for $5 if you know go to this site...that brings you to this site....and then you get this hardware from this site....and you build it yourself". And "PC runs Star Citizen at 4k with AAAAAAA on .....and the triple uber buffering with specular shadow light quality turned up to ULTRA MAX".....but then never say or even admit when brought up that not everyone has a super computer.

Thats sort of shit is annoying. It's the usual bullshit parameters/excuses.

You know what's annoying? People like you who get involved in discussions they know absolutely nothing about. And you don't have to build your own PC - there are well known, reputable sites that will help you choose hardware and build any PC you wish for $50.

No one ever said $5 anything or claimed to run Star Citizen at 4k, or any game at 4k for that matter. "Triple uber buffering" and "specular shadow light" don't even exist. You are way out of your depth here, Huggles.

#977 Edited by Cranler (8809 posts) -

@mikhail said:

@Cranler said:

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

Does the fact that McDonald's has sold billions of hamburgers worldwide make them restaurant known to man? Your argument is irrelevant. We're discussing which is the superior platform here. If you want to talk about which platform has sold the most copies of something, go start your own topic.

It makes them the most popular fast food restaurant known to man which is quite a feat. Obviously people find Mcdonalds to be better than it's competition.

Games typically sell better on console. Maybe it's because the pc is simply oversaturated with too many games to choose from.

Don't blame me, I didn't derail this thread.

@Krelian-co said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong. I've already proven why it's best to compare all consoles vs pc. All you can do is say "but the rules say such and such" because you have no proper counter.

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

@mikhail said:

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

The past can give insight into the future.

You have proven nothing but the fact that you are a desperate consolite that acknowledges the fact that you need to sum all consoles to beat a single system, hence the superior system.

Can't give specific reasons why you should compare all of pc to one specific console can you? GTA V sold about 30 million copies on console, are you saying it would have only sold 15 million if the PS 3 didnt exist?

I play both console and pc.

#978 Edited by mikhail (2102 posts) -

@Cranler said:

I play both console and pc.

Really? Prove it.

#979 Edited by Mr_Huggles_dog (1203 posts) -

@mikhail said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@mikhail said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

See....now we have to account for unwritten rules.

B/c hey....there are some unwritten rules some ppl acknowledge and there there are some they don't.

So....yeah.....

This sort of goal post moving that "All consoles are one system" only occurs when PC steps into the ring. Any other time, it's PS4 vs Xbox One vs Wii U...how convenient.

Funny how that works out for you when you say "PC Master Race vs Dirty Console Peasants" and such things.

Plus you guys never own up to things that are true and go by "NO!!!...you can afford a PC for $5 if you know go to this site...that brings you to this site....and then you get this hardware from this site....and you build it yourself". And "PC runs Star Citizen at 4k with AAAAAAA on .....and the triple uber buffering with specular shadow light quality turned up to ULTRA MAX".....but then never say or even admit when brought up that not everyone has a super computer.

Thats sort of shit is annoying. It's the usual bullshit parameters/excuses.

You know what's annoying? People like you who get involved in discussions they know absolutely nothing about. And you don't have to build your own PC - there are well known, reputable sites that will help you choose hardware and build any PC you wish for $50.

No one ever said $5 anything or claimed to run Star Citizen at 4k, or any game at 4k for that matter. "Triple uber buffering" and "specular shadow light" don't even exist. You are way out of your depth here, Huggles.

I'm done....Cupcake ruined these forums for me....he made it personal when all this is is debating over fucking video games.

So yeah....you win.

Now stfu.

#980 Edited by mikhail (2102 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog: You said you were done yesterday, but here you are. Now put your money where your mouth is and disappear, troll.

#981 Edited by RoboCopISJesus (1408 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong.

Then post somewhere else, no one cares for your opinion here..or probably any other forum when they laugh at you for calling PC 3 different platforms or systems.

Rules are rules. You're blowing hot air now.

#982 Edited by Mr_Huggles_dog (1203 posts) -

@mikhail said:

@mr_huggles_dog: You said you were done yesterday, but here you are. Now put your money where your mouth is and disappear, troll.

Oh no....I didn't mean I was done with this forum yesterday...see your reading comprehension is as bad as everyone who reads these forums knows it is.

I said I was done with the thread. Or I mean it that way....which is worse if you think you have that much power over me to make me quit posting here....thats just self righteous pathetic thinking.

And just b/c I say I'm done right now....doesn't mean I won't be back again....I wouldn't dare give you 2 the satisfaction. I'll stay here and debate your lifes work of trying to defend the PC on a video game forum and make you lose like I have been.

I'm not even changing my avatar.

So yeah...don't think that highly of yourself....you're just a troll.

#983 Edited by 04dcarraher (19599 posts) -

@topgunmv said:
@04dcarraher said:

@topgunmv said:

@04dcarraher said:
@farrell2k said:

@Cranler said:

And for those people who argue that buying multiple consoles and paying for subs makes consoles more expensive: Could a $650 pc built in 2013 last the whole console gen? I doubt it.

Abso-friggn-lutely a $650 pc could last this entire gen. No matter how you look at it, it will always play games better than any of the consoles.

Hell my old $700 rig from 2007 is proof enough, consoles make the lowest common denominator, they set the baseline in how multiplatform engines are designed around. These new consoles are no where near the performance ratio they were in 2005/2006. Pc's from 2011 could easy match the PS4, A 2013 that's faster yet being $650 isnt hard to fathom. The only time its wouldn't last the whole gen is if the pc orientated games are using assets and setting beyond what that system could run let alone the consoles.

I'd like to see this parts list then, because I'm looking at the october 2013 issue of maxpc on my phone, and I doubt their 750$ budget build would do it.

Why wouldnt you think even a $750 would last as long as the consoles if the goal was to at least match or surpass them?

FX 6300, 8gb ddr3, AM3+ 970 board, Rosewill case, corsair 500w psu, 1tb hdd, and GTX 760 including dvd drive could be bought for under $680 last year. Heck there were deals on 7950's and 7970's before the bit mining craze seen some 7970's as low as $250. Now will a FX 6300 or gtx 760 7970 be viable in 5 years most likely not in pc oriented games that surpass the multiplat games limits brought on by these consoles.

Their build uses a 7790 for 126$.

The only unnecessary expenditure I see is an SSD for 70$, so you could substitute an ~200$ card.

Their next tier up baseline build uses a 7950 for 264$, so I'm guessing around this time period you would get around a 7850-7870 for about 200$. You could probably upgrade it later on to keep up, but I doubt it would last through the whole gen without doing so.

Their figures are based from when? because in the fall of 2013 you could pickup a 7870 for $175, And 7950 for slightly above $200. If you bought a GTX 670/GTX 760 or 7950+ you can last the whole gen. Look at the 8800GT as a prime example from 2007-2014 its still outclassing the 360/PS3 in multiplats that are not incorporating DX11 features. The plain jane 7950 is over 50% faster then PS4 and with the X1 its double. The X1 is the base line and it dont take much with its weaker gpu.

#984 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -

@mikhail said:

@Cranler said:

Someone else brought it up in another thread. They are the fastest selling games for their platforms so it makes a good comparison for how well games sell on each platform.

Oh my god dude...here you go again taking the discussion off topic YET AGAIN. It's irrelevant.

So i'm not supposed to answer questions?

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong.

Then post somewhere else, no one cares for your opinion here..or probably any other forum when they laugh at you for calling PC 3 different platforms or systems.

Rules are rules. You're blowing hot air now.

If the rules are right then you should have no problem forming a logical argument that could easily prove me wrong.

#985 Posted by RoboCopISJesus (1408 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:
@mikhail said:

You know what's annoying? People like you who get involved in discussions they know absolutely nothing about. And you don't have to build your own PC - there are well known, reputable sites that will help you choose hardware and build any PC you wish for $50.

No one ever said $5 anything or claimed to run Star Citizen at 4k, or any game at 4k for that matter. "Triple uber buffering" and "specular shadow light" don't even exist. You are way out of your depth here, Huggles.

I'm done....

So yeah....you win.

10 minutes later:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@mikhail said:

@mr_huggles_dog: You said you were done yesterday, but here you are. Now put your money where your mouth is and disappear, troll.

Oh no....I didn't mean ...

LOL. Garbage troll.

#986 Edited by mikhail (2102 posts) -

How long do you guys think it will be before Nvidia Mobile GPU's overtake the current consoles? Two years? Three?

#987 Edited by Krelian-co (10972 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@mikhail said:

@Cranler said:

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

Does the fact that McDonald's has sold billions of hamburgers worldwide make them restaurant known to man? Your argument is irrelevant. We're discussing which is the superior platform here. If you want to talk about which platform has sold the most copies of something, go start your own topic.

It makes them the most popular fast food restaurant known to man which is quite a feat. Obviously people find Mcdonalds to be better than it's competition.

Games typically sell better on console. Maybe it's because the pc is simply oversaturated with too many games to choose from.

Don't blame me, I didn't derail this thread.

@Krelian-co said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong. I've already proven why it's best to compare all consoles vs pc. All you can do is say "but the rules say such and such" because you have no proper counter.

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

@mikhail said:

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

The past can give insight into the future.

You have proven nothing but the fact that you are a desperate consolite that acknowledges the fact that you need to sum all consoles to beat a single system, hence the superior system.

Can't give specific reasons why you should compare all of pc to one specific console can you? GTA V sold about 30 million copies on console, are you saying it would have only sold 15 million if the PS 3 didnt exist?

I play both console and pc.

can you play all console games in all consoles? if not then stfu already

#988 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -

@Krelian-co said:

@Cranler said:

@mikhail said:

@Cranler said:

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

Does the fact that McDonald's has sold billions of hamburgers worldwide make them restaurant known to man? Your argument is irrelevant. We're discussing which is the superior platform here. If you want to talk about which platform has sold the most copies of something, go start your own topic.

It makes them the most popular fast food restaurant known to man which is quite a feat. Obviously people find Mcdonalds to be better than it's competition.

Games typically sell better on console. Maybe it's because the pc is simply oversaturated with too many games to choose from.

Don't blame me, I didn't derail this thread.

@Krelian-co said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong. I've already proven why it's best to compare all consoles vs pc. All you can do is say "but the rules say such and such" because you have no proper counter.

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

@mikhail said:

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

The past can give insight into the future.

You have proven nothing but the fact that you are a desperate consolite that acknowledges the fact that you need to sum all consoles to beat a single system, hence the superior system.

Can't give specific reasons why you should compare all of pc to one specific console can you? GTA V sold about 30 million copies on console, are you saying it would have only sold 15 million if the PS 3 didnt exist?

I play both console and pc.

can you play all console games in all consoles? if not then stfu already

Whats more expensive, a pc to run all multiplat games the entire gen or ps4 and xbone? $800 for two prebuilt consoles isn't that much.

#989 Edited by 04dcarraher (19599 posts) -

@Cranler: lol hope you know that Jedi's GTX 460, while may lack the Vram, It has a higher pixel rate, and ever so slightly less texture rate. So its on par with the X1's gpu which is sad how slow it is when comparing a mid ranged card from 2010. Then Bioshock 1&2 ran on Unreal 2.5 which used many of the features from Unreal engine 3. So why are you asking how well 2003-2005 gpu's ran the game when it didnt come out until 2007 let alone knowing the fact that gpu's from pre 2006 were designed around a different era of gpu architecture.But besides the point the geforce 7800 series did run bioshock pretty well considering at 1280x1024 0xAA 16xAF, Medium Quality, High Textures, DX9 getting around 35 fps average.

All you are doing to moving goal posts and keep on looking back near a damn decade. Where everyone knows that the 360 was special in 2005 because MS spent a shit load on acquiring prototype tech that would become the standards on the horizon. But come back to the now , where these new consoles are no where near as fast ratio wise nor are they sporting new tech, but mid ranged hardware at best.

#990 Edited by topgunmv (10237 posts) -

@04dcarraher said:

@topgunmv said:
@04dcarraher said:

@topgunmv said:

I'd like to see this parts list then, because I'm looking at the october 2013 issue of maxpc on my phone, and I doubt their 750$ budget build would do it.

Why wouldnt you think even a $750 would last as long as the consoles if the goal was to at least match or surpass them?

FX 6300, 8gb ddr3, AM3+ 970 board, Rosewill case, corsair 500w psu, 1tb hdd, and GTX 760 including dvd drive could be bought for under $680 last year. Heck there were deals on 7950's and 7970's before the bit mining craze seen some 7970's as low as $250. Now will a FX 6300 or gtx 760 7970 be viable in 5 years most likely not in pc oriented games that surpass the multiplat games limits brought on by these consoles.

Their build uses a 7790 for 126$.

The only unnecessary expenditure I see is an SSD for 70$, so you could substitute an ~200$ card.

Their next tier up baseline build uses a 7950 for 264$, so I'm guessing around this time period you would get around a 7850-7870 for about 200$. You could probably upgrade it later on to keep up, but I doubt it would last through the whole gen without doing so.

Their figures are based from when? because in the fall of 2013 you could pickup a 7870 for $175, And 7950 for slightly above $200. If you bought a GTX 670/GTX 760 or 7950+ you can last the whole gen. Look at the 8800GT as a prime example from 2007-2014 its still outclassing the 360/PS3 in multiplats that are not incorporating DX11 features. The plain jane 7950 is over 50% faster then PS4 and with the X1 its double. The X1 is the base line and it dont take much with its weaker gpu.

Well it's the October issue, so probably sometime in early September.

#991 Posted by mikhail (2102 posts) -

@04dcarraher said:

@Cranler: lol hope you know that Jedi's GTX 460, while may lack the Vram, It has a higher pixel rate, and ever so slightly less texture rate. So its on par with the X1's gpu which is sad how slow it is when comparing a mid ranged card from 2010. Then Bioshock 1&2 ran on Unreal 2.5 which used many of the features from Unreal engine 3. So why are you asking how well 2003-2005 gpu's ran the game when it didnt come out until 2007 let alone knowing the fact that gpu's from pre 2006 were designed around a different era of gpu architecture. All you are doing to moving goal posts and keep on looking back near a damn decade. Where everyone knows that the 360 was special in 2005 because MS spent a shit load on acquiring prototype tech that would become the standards on the horizon.

Great points. Comparing the 360 to PC's of 2005 is not relevant to the discussion of modern PC gaming. It's nearly ten years and a full console generation later. Times have changed for the better...for the PC, that is.

#992 Edited by BldgIrsh (2594 posts) -

@mikhail said:

@bldgirsh said:

Ooo a virgin thread. Cranler can't resist putting his massive insight inside this fragile thread.

It'll either be about sales of a specific console game with a link, or another unrelated argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Just putting my prediction out there so I can cite this post later.

Guess you were right.

#993 Posted by RoboCopISJesus (1408 posts) -

@bldgirsh said:

@mikhail said:

@bldgirsh said:

Ooo a virgin thread. Cranler can't resist putting his massive insight inside this fragile thread.

It'll either be about sales of a specific console game with a link, or another unrelated argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Just putting my prediction out there so I can cite this post later.

Guess you were right.

rofl

#994 Edited by Dasein808 (518 posts) -
@Cranler said:

Whats more expensive, a pc to run all multiplat games the entire gen or ps4 and xbone? $800 for two prebuilt consoles isn't that much.

I like the part where you ignore consoles' online fees over the course of a 7-10 year generation at ~$60 per year; nevermind the $60 games and the cost of additional controllers.

You really are a dogshit level troll.

#995 Posted by mikhail (2102 posts) -

I'd gloat about that prediction, but honestly a five year old could have seen this coming from Cranler.

#996 Edited by santoron (7740 posts) -

It's like "The Song That Never Ends" in here, but more dumb.

I love my PCs. I love PC gaming. But after reading page after page of this I have to wonder who are you guys trying convince, because it better not be the few teenage trolls playing with you...

#997 Posted by Krelian-co (10972 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@Krelian-co said:

@Cranler said:

@mikhail said:

@Cranler said:

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

Does the fact that McDonald's has sold billions of hamburgers worldwide make them restaurant known to man? Your argument is irrelevant. We're discussing which is the superior platform here. If you want to talk about which platform has sold the most copies of something, go start your own topic.

It makes them the most popular fast food restaurant known to man which is quite a feat. Obviously people find Mcdonalds to be better than it's competition.

Games typically sell better on console. Maybe it's because the pc is simply oversaturated with too many games to choose from.

Don't blame me, I didn't derail this thread.

@Krelian-co said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong. I've already proven why it's best to compare all consoles vs pc. All you can do is say "but the rules say such and such" because you have no proper counter.

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

@mikhail said:

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

The past can give insight into the future.

You have proven nothing but the fact that you are a desperate consolite that acknowledges the fact that you need to sum all consoles to beat a single system, hence the superior system.

Can't give specific reasons why you should compare all of pc to one specific console can you? GTA V sold about 30 million copies on console, are you saying it would have only sold 15 million if the PS 3 didnt exist?

I play both console and pc.

can you play all console games in all consoles? if not then stfu already

Whats more expensive, a pc to run all multiplat games the entire gen or ps4 and xbone? $800 for two prebuilt consoles isn't that much.

well what's better mcdonalds or a 5 star restaurant?

consoles hardly run games at 900p and gen is just starting in a couple of years games will run like crap just like the difference between ps3/360 and a modern pc. Some people like to enjoy the better things even if they cost a bit more, some are used to mediocrity, but its alright my dear peasant.

#998 Edited by Cranler (8809 posts) -

@04dcarraher said:

@Cranler: lol hope you know that Jedi's GTX 460, while may lack the Vram, It has a higher pixel rate, and ever so slightly less texture rate. So its on par with the X1's gpu which is sad how slow it is when comparing a mid ranged card from 2010. Then Bioshock 1&2 ran on Unreal 2.5 which used many of the features from Unreal engine 3. So why are you asking how well 2003-2005 gpu's ran the game when it didnt come out until 2007 let alone knowing the fact that gpu's from pre 2006 were designed around a different era of gpu architecture.But besides the point the geforce 7800 series did run bioshock pretty well considering at 1280x1024 0xAA 16xAF, Medium Quality, High Textures, DX9 getting around 35 fps average.

All you are doing to moving goal posts and keep on looking back near a damn decade. Where everyone knows that the 360 was special in 2005 because MS spent a shit load on acquiring prototype tech that would become the standards on the horizon. But come back to the now , where these new consoles are no where near as fast ratio wise nor are they sporting new tech, but mid ranged hardware at best.

The 460 will probably cause a lot of stuttering on next gen games.

Lords Of The Fallen is the 2nd next gen mutiplat and the 460 is the min req. Won't be long before the min goes higher.

PS 3 doesn't have unified shader tech btw.

@Dasein808 said:
@Cranler said:

Whats more expensive, a pc to run all multiplat games the entire gen or ps4 and xbone? $800 for two prebuilt consoles isn't that much.

I like the part where you ignore consoles' online fees over the course of a 7-10 year generation at ~$60 per year; nevermind the $60 games and the cost of additional controllers.

You really are a dogshit level troll.

It's $50 for a year on amazon. Most multiplats are same price on console and pc. Why do they need to buy additional controllers? Some multiplats control awful with m/kb so we need to add controller cost for pc.

What makes you think this console gen will be so long? Last gen was long because MS and Sony needed to recoup all the losses they sustained. This gen is quite a bit diffferent. I think it will be 5-6 years.

#999 Edited by Mr_Huggles_dog (1203 posts) -

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:
@mikhail said:

You know what's annoying? People like you who get involved in discussions they know absolutely nothing about. And you don't have to build your own PC - there are well known, reputable sites that will help you choose hardware and build any PC you wish for $50.

No one ever said $5 anything or claimed to run Star Citizen at 4k, or any game at 4k for that matter. "Triple uber buffering" and "specular shadow light" don't even exist. You are way out of your depth here, Huggles.

I'm done....

So yeah....you win.

10 minutes later:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@mikhail said:

@mr_huggles_dog: You said you were done yesterday, but here you are. Now put your money where your mouth is and disappear, troll.

Oh no....I didn't mean ...

LOL. Garbage troll.

Fuck man....if you and the others on this board didn't whine about everyone being a troll every 2 seconds I'd give a fuck.

But since you can't understand it...I meant I was done arguing with him for for a while.

You guys really do give yourself too much credit.

#1000 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -

@Krelian-co said:

@Cranler said:

@Krelian-co said:

@Cranler said:

@mikhail said:

@Cranler said:

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

Does the fact that McDonald's has sold billions of hamburgers worldwide make them restaurant known to man? Your argument is irrelevant. We're discussing which is the superior platform here. If you want to talk about which platform has sold the most copies of something, go start your own topic.

It makes them the most popular fast food restaurant known to man which is quite a feat. Obviously people find Mcdonalds to be better than it's competition.

Games typically sell better on console. Maybe it's because the pc is simply oversaturated with too many games to choose from.

Don't blame me, I didn't derail this thread.

@Krelian-co said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:PC is a type of system. Consoles are a type of system. The Dell Inspiron is a system. Hope that helps.

In your opinion. Here at SW the rule here (or unwritten rule at almost any other forum) is that PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

You get the drift.

You lose.

Then the rules are wrong. I've already proven why it's best to compare all consoles vs pc. All you can do is say "but the rules say such and such" because you have no proper counter.

Tell me why it's wrong to compare all GTA V console sales to all pc Diablo 3 sales. Convince me and I'll let it go.

@mikhail said:

Cranler going back ten years again! I love this topic.

The past can give insight into the future.

You have proven nothing but the fact that you are a desperate consolite that acknowledges the fact that you need to sum all consoles to beat a single system, hence the superior system.

Can't give specific reasons why you should compare all of pc to one specific console can you? GTA V sold about 30 million copies on console, are you saying it would have only sold 15 million if the PS 3 didnt exist?

I play both console and pc.

can you play all console games in all consoles? if not then stfu already

Whats more expensive, a pc to run all multiplat games the entire gen or ps4 and xbone? $800 for two prebuilt consoles isn't that much.

well what's better mcdonalds or a 5 star restaurant?

consoles hardly run games at 900p and gen is just starting in a couple of years games will run like crap just like the difference between ps3/360 and a modern pc. Some people like to enjoy the better things even if they cost a bit more, some are used to mediocrity, but its alright my dear peasant.

So you're saying that a 2 console owning consolite will spend less than a pc gamer?

Why do you call me a peasant? I game on console and pc.