The PC is the superior gaming platform - Definitive Edition

@amazonangry: your argument falls apart when it does not take into account being offline and any games bought or played before 2009 which for me is hundreds...as usual you only mention what works in your favour and leave out anything that does not

But it has the most AAA games, so for now its the best.

What does posting someone's personal steam library remotely have anything to do with Steam having better scoring games than The Last of Us?

I don't think you understand what AAA is.

Niche games just b/c you like them...aren't always AAA games.

I'm using AAA as score. PC has the most amount of high scoring games. So its objectively the best.

I'm using AAA as score. PC has the most amount of high scoring games. So its objectively the best.

Amnesia score high (I'm guessing) and it's not a AAA game.

See....I didn't think you knew what AAA meant.

Just a few more days, and you'll get jankarcop's input for this thread, TC.

Why a few days?

Everyone knows PC is the best gaming device factually speaking.

AAA (Price) doesn't make a definitive gaming device. As AAA (price) games can score like shit and be crap. See Ryse, Knack, Killzone.

Also, here at SW, AAA = 9.0+ scoring. AA = 8.0+ scoring.

You're reaching.

I never said price made a AAA game. I don't care how SW does it....Amnesia is an indy game...not a AAA game. It always has been and always will be.

I've never heard of AAA games being the games that score high in ratings.....b/c in the end....thats still just someone's opinion....not a fact.

FACT: Amnesia is an indy game.

FACT: Threre are like 1,000,001 indy games on PC....so yeah....theres bound to be qutie a few that score really high.

Those are also niche games. AAA games are games with a big budget, some advertising, ususally high quality.....Watchdogs, Farcry 3/4, TLoU, stuff like that.

Now....high quality might be something missing on PC b/c many ports aren't up to par on PC, but thats just on PC.

Why a few days?

Everyone knows PC is the best gaming device factually speaking.

Then why don't you game on PC?

The last topic was unfortunately locked due to a bunch of off-topic circular arguments happening, so the mods invited me to recreate the topic if I wished...and I wished. This time I'll give some insight into what led me to choose the PC as my sole gaming platform besides the 3DS, skipping the Xbox One, PS4, and Wii U entirely. I couldn't be happier that I did.

I grew up traditionally being a console gamer, starting first with the NES and then SNES, having almost all the major consoles up until the PS3 & Xbox 360 generation. I did have a gaming PC during the last gen, but it was never my main platform - I was more of a PS3 gamer. Then, I got involved in game development and digital art/vfx. I was going to be spending a lot of time on a PC and figured that if I was going to build one for myself, that I might as well be using it to play awesome games as well. I built my own PC, and my consoles started getting less and less use until eventually I wasn't using them at all.

There are a ton of reasons why I think the PC is the best gaming platform in existence today, but I'll try to stick with the biggest ones.

• I can use any controller or multiple controllers at once, including mouse & keyboard, Xbox One controllers, DualShock 4's, or all of them at once. There is a lot more choice with PC, I'm not locked in to the few overpriced peripherals that the platform holders choose for me.
• Many games, even PC exclusives, are designed with native Xbox controller support. You can still play games from your couch displayed on your big TV in the living room if you want to - the PC is no longer relegated to the office like it was 10 years ago.
• The PC is capable of displaying higher fidelity visuals and effects at much higher resolutions and framerates than any console. PC games always look better and run better than their console counterparts. PC games can be played at 1440p and up to 144hz while even current generation console games still struggle with 1080p and 30hz, sometimes 60hz (but not usually). Even "remastered" games like The Last of Us still struggle to maintain 1080p/60 on the PS4, sometimes dipping down in the mid-40 fps range.
• Online multiplayer on PC is always free and not locked behind a paywall like it is with PSN and Xbox Live.
• The PC has far more exclusive titles released than any other console, in any generation, in addition to many of the same multiplatform titles that are released for the consoles as well. Only when they are on PC, they look & run better.
• The PC can be used for far more than just entertainment - it's a device that I can use for content production, school work, editing photos, curating my music collection, and more.
• The PC is a constantly evolving platform that is always growing in power, whereas the consoles are locked in without innovation or advancement for sometimes up to 9 years in the case of the 360 & PS3. My current PC is already much more powerful and capable than even the PS4 or Xbox One, and over time that gap is only going to widen further and further.
• PC games are less expensive. Not only are even multiplatform games almost always less expensive when released on PC, but PC games go on sale through outlets such as Steam, GOG, GreenManGaming and others far more often and for much steeper discounts than console games ever do. Developers love Steam sale events like the Summer & Winter sales, sometimes making more profits in a single week than they did during the entire year leading up to that.
• PC's are designed to use and take advantage of multiple monitors, allowing experiences that are simply not available on console. If you haven't gamed on 3+ monitors at once, you're seriously missing out and I recommend giving it a try, you'll never go back.
• The PC is the king of backwards compatibility. I can play any game I wish released at virtually any point in the PC's history with little to no problem, most of them installing directly from Steam in minutes. The current consoles offer no backwards compatibility whatsoever - Sony, MS, and Nintendo are more than happy to sell you the same games over and over again, though. This does not happen on PC.
• The PC has by far the largest and most diverse game library out of any platform, current or past.
• Developers build mod support into their games so the thriving PC mod community can get much more life out of games. This does not exist on consoles. See current games like Divinity: Original Sin and ArmA 3 for examples on how devs encourage modding and make it easy through the Steam Workshop.
• PC is the most friendly platform for developers. Anyone can create and release a game on PC that millions of gamers have access to without paying licensing fees to the likes of Sony or Microsoft, and at little to no overhead cost. It is the most friendly platform for the thriving independent game developer scene.
• You can actually make money playing games and creating assets & mods for games on PC, and companies like Valve encourage this through the Steam Workshop and Market. Nothing like this exists on consoles.
• There are far more Free To Play games on PC that are actually good games with business models that aren't horrible. Games like DotA 2 and Marvel Heroes are truly free to play. You can spend money for cosmetics or quality of life improvements but you don't need to at all. Again, nothing like this exists on consoles.
• The PC is overall less expensive to own than a console, and this becomes more drastic the more games one buys. A gaming PC that equals the PS4 or Xbox One in performance can be built for $400-$500 and then upgraded in a couple of years to easily surpass the capabilities of those locked and closed platforms, and the price disparity only grows as console gamers buy more and more expensive games over the lifespan of their console while PC gamers enjoy more & less expensive games.
• • The competitive / professional eSports scene lives on PC. Games like Dota 2 have tournaments like the International that had over $11 million dollars in prize money to be won this year - nothing like this exists on consoles.

There are more reasons but I'll leave it at that. Try to keep the discussion on topic - if you don't think the PC is the objectively superior gaming platform, then which one is and why? "LOL hermits" is not a valid argument. Please try to keep the discussion civil and on-topic, I don't want to have to create this again in a few weeks...but I totally will.

Thanks for reading and have fun!

Why a few days?

Everyone knows PC is the best gaming device factually speaking.

Hmm....nah.

Cant play The Last of Us.

@amazonangry: Your arguments are soooo cherry picked. You neglect the 10 or so points posted by TC and focus on a straw man argument that falls through in every way possible. You've obviously never touched a PC in your life.

Also, someone posted your post on PCMR and they're mocking you like no tomorrow.

ok, we get it, and no one really cares.

The most awarded game ever > your steam library

But let's put it to the test. Show your Steam library.Guarenteed it mimics this...

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/introducing-steam-gauge-ars-reveals-steams-most-popular-games/

and every other herm I've argued with. Half your library you won't have even touched,especially hallmark pc titles, and your most played games Will not be those that are graphically taxing, taking advantage of da powah.

It matters because the herm arguement falls apart when you actually look at the data in their libraries.

There's a huge discrepancy between what pc gamers say, and what they play.

At least BlueHazey and Lostrib openly display their Steam Iibraries, and prove my point according to their play data.

Prove me wrong. I'll be waiting.

Really? because you seemed to care like a month ago when you argued that consoles beat PC

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/consoles-still-trump-pc-and-ill-tell-you-why-31414070/?page=1

Oh and "PSN Sales Steam Who?"

No. Many many games I cannot get on PC that I can get on all the Consoles. End of story. Also, the majority of the worthwhile titles to play on PC are on or end up on Consoles (Insurgency, Witcher, Hotline Miami, and many more).

No. Many many games I cannot get on PC that I can get on all the Consoles. End of story. Also, the majority of the worthwhile titles to play on PC are on or end up on Consoles (Insurgency, Witcher, Hotline Miami, and many more).

So where's Amnesia, Divinity OS, GW2, SMITE, the stanley parable, Anti Chamber, Tribes Ascend, Arma 3, almost every good quality RTS, and so on?

I know it is pointless to discuss anything with you and this thread will go on for 12 more pages full of non-sense discussion but WOW made more money than any console game ever , in history (At least one billion USD every year) . Then there is huge number of digital sales that companies normally don't share . There is also no one to take his share because no one owns PC . There are more factors than just retail units being shipped .

PC games may not sell as fast as console games do in the beginning but they continue to sell for decades , thanks to backward compatibility . And you are comparing 2 consoles against single platform and comparing actual sales with units shipped worldwide .

LOL backwards compatibility turned into "definitive remaster" milking instead of new games.

Consoles are sucking so bad this gen.

Most of these remasters take very little effort

Exactly. It's milking the fact that consoles suck at BC.

I just hope that they offer large discounts to people who already own the games.

• I can use any controller or multiple controllers at once, including mouse & keyboard, Xbox One controllers, DualShock 4's, or all of them at once. There is a lot more choice with PC, I'm not locked in to the few overpriced peripherals that the platform holders choose for me.
• The PC is overall less expensive to own than a console, and this becomes more drastic the more games one buys. A gaming PC that equals the PS4 or Xbox One in performance can be built for $400-$500 and then upgraded in a couple of years to easily surpass the capabilities of those locked and closed platforms, and the price disparity only grows as console gamers buy more and more expensive games over the lifespan of their console while PC gamers enjoy more & less expensive games.

1. Most of those AAA games come to pc...and According to digital foundry, most multiplats and ports are better on PC.

2. SW has always used the term AAA for 9.0+ scoring games. For the last 10+ years. "Reaching".

3. PC still has plenty big-budget games as well as indys.

Then why do I hear constant bitching from PC gamers about ports.

Then SW is different than everyone else....and I'll go with the rest of the world.

Those big budget games are mostly niche games.

@amazonangry The numbers on play time in some users' Steam libraries is irrelevant. Many games on PC come in packs, whether they be from Humble Bundles, publisher packs during sales, bulk packs, or gifts from friends. Over the years I have received many games from people as gifts - even joke gifts - that I have no intention of ever playing. Some games, like Zen Bound 2, are mobile ports that I got in a Humble Bundle...I'll never play it on PC. None of this is relevant in any way whatsoever to the topic at hand.

Furthermore, like another user already stated in this topic, the games are there if I do eventually want to play them in the future, or if one of my family members who lives in another state wants to play them through Steam Family Sharing. Oh yeah...that's a thing. My siblings and I all share our Steam libraries with one another, so we all have access to virtually every game that is in one another's libraries. I can pull up my brother's vast collection of hundreds more games than I have, install one, play it as much as I want legally, and move on when I'm done. The game doesn't show up in my library. If at some point he wants to play the game at the same time, I get a notice that I have to quit the game within a certain number of minutes because the main user is playing. That has never happened. This service costs nothing.

If you're really going to discuss "AAA" games on SW, you should establish if you mean AAA budget or AAA scoring games

Then why do I hear constant bitching from PC gamers about ports.

Then SW is different than everyone else....and I'll go with the rest of the world.

Those big budget games are mostly niche games.

If it scores high....then it's an excellent game....indy game....whatever....but it was never AAA. It's indy b/c of what comes along with the meaning of indy.

No Man's Sky is indy. 4 guys are working on it....not a huge budget...no commercials or advertisements or whatever...sony only took notice once it got shown and ppl took notice.....if it scores 10's across every review site in the free world.....it will still be an indy game.

I don't consider high scoring games to be AAA. If it's an indy game.....then it will always be an indy game.

If it scores high....then it's an excellent game....indy game....whatever....but it was never AAA. It's indy b/c of what comes along with the meaning of indy.

No Man's Sky is indy. 4 guys are working on it....not a huge budget...no commercials or advertisements or whatever...sony only took notice once it got shown and ppl took notice.....if it scores 10's across every review site in the free world.....it will still be an indy game.

Thats how it's been eveywhere else.....thats what I'm sticking to.

I don't consider high scoring games to be AAA. If it's an indy game.....then it will always be an indy game.

If it scores high....then it's an excellent game....indy game....whatever....but it was never AAA. It's indy b/c of what comes along with the meaning of indy.

No Man's Sky is indy. 4 guys are working on it....not a huge budget...no commercials or advertisements or whatever...sony only took notice once it got shown and ppl took notice.....if it scores 10's across every review site in the free world.....it will still be an indy game.

Thats how it's been eveywhere else.....thats what I'm sticking to.