The Nintendo Hybrid (Long Read)

Oh and lets not forget the moronic e-shop where you can't redownload your games. On PSN if I download a game and I loose my psp/vita/ps3 etc... I can redownload my stuff at any time on multiple systems. If my device is stolen, I can cancel that device for psn online and associate my new device with the psn account. On eshop you are stuck. If you loose your 3ds all your purchased games are gone...why? Because Nintendo doesn't even know how to make a database apparently... Its unforgivable that your purchases aren't tied to an actual account, but to the device.Midnightshade29

I dont think its that they dont know how , its that they dont care.

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Only reason I am bringing all this up is all the bs you people spew about the vita and its library... the 3ds doesn't have that great of one either.. no where near the ds or psp was after a few years.

Midnightshade29

There seems to be a lot of assumptions in the OP, as there is with theories, but I think there's a lot more to consider. 

Why should they assume third-parties will flock to this single system? Do we know why Nintendo's handhelds get a lot of third-party support but not their consoles? Does it have to go with user-base? Cost to produce? 

The idea is intriguing, it is, and if Nintendo took this direction I'd purchase the system. But what does that do to the portability of titles? What if this console isn't a hit because of price, or lack of third-party support, or some other unforseen issue? People already criticize the Wii U's power, would we get another console in 5 years that has the portability but the same amount of power, thus creating a larger difference between a Nintendo console and a Sony/Microsoft successor? I imagine that choice would tick off some developers. 

In my head I just don't see it as such an obvious evolution for Nintendo as you laid out.

I think the best solution would simply be an accessory, ideally one that comes with each handheld, that hooks up to the TV and wirelessly communicates with the handheld to display the handheld screen on the big screen.

Now, the 3DS would not be a good candidate for this because the display resolution is far too low. But as mobile hardware continues to improve, we can probably expect a future Nintendo handheld to have a 720p screen and be capable of displaying 360-quality graphics. It would be an ideal time for Nintendo to finally create a streaming device.

Based on Nintendo's typical timeline, such a device could probably arrive around 2017.

I think that would be awesome if Ninty went ahead and did this. As someone who doesn't buy both the home console and handheld, this would work really well for me.

It would solve a lot of their problems, and being able to focus on only one platform will help both Nintendo and the consumer.

What's not to like?

The Earliest Proof of Nintendo trying to make a Console and Handheld Hybrid would probably be the Gameboy Player for the Super Nintendo.

Since then we've had many Handheld game players in nearly all Nintendo Systems. The only one that missed out on a Gameboy player was Wii.

N64 also skipped out, but you could play Pokemon on it. WiiU with it's second Screen now has it to where you can potentially play DS and 3DS games on your WiiU, It's only a matter of time before Nintendo makes a peripheral that will allow you to play your 3DS games on the WiiU. They have already stated that they are looking into releasing Gameboy Advance games on the WiiU (though that announcement was a year ago so who knows when they'll start doing that).

Within this year we will see if Nintendo starts making the first steps in Turning the WiiU into that Handheld/Console Hybrid you're talking about, Char.

This would be completely awesome in every possible way and is what I expect with Nintendo's next console which will probably once again win the console wars. This would be the long awaited sequel to the super game boy. The possibilities are endless... and having all those RPG's would be astounding. Make it happen Nintendo... you might just win me back as a Nintendo die hard. Right now I still support them, but that would be clutch madness.

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Good read. Not bad

Though i still feel there is still more potential for the Wii U that will eventually come, but if what you say is true, its only going forward

I don't believe in long reads or subjecting others to long reads, therefore tl;dr.

Now this I will read. The format alone drew me in.

Read it. A+

Nintendo Hybrid? Consolidated into One Console?

Hmmmm lets see, it's BEEN FIDDLED WITH BEFORE.....SORT OF:

Turbo Express Portable did that (sort of) played TG16 Hu-cards the same way it's console counterpart did and look what happened to that.

Neo Geo systems did that as well, played ARCADE counterparts by saving into a memory card (if I can still remember) and playing those saved games on NeoGeo Home Consoles and look what happened to that.

We see this with PS3-PSP and seeing this with PS4 and Vita.

Hmmmm, I don't know about that. It sounds compelling, but again, it's been fiddled with before.

Good for you, sir.

I was being a bit cheeky before, the joke relying on my own history of longer posts. It was supposed to garner a trolling response of "lol, Mr. longwinded himself" or something to that effect.

Sincerely, I believe the opposite of what I typed above about long posts, and I encourage intelligent posts over spam. Carry on. I feel people contributed some nice posts in this thread in all honesty.

@SolidTy said:

@charizard1605 said:

@SolidTy said:

I don't believe in long reads or subjecting others to long reads, therefore tl;dr.

Good for you, sir.

I was being a bit cheeky before, the joke relying on my own history of longer posts. It was supposed to garner a trolling response of "lol, Mr. longwinded himself" or something to that effect.

Sincerely, I believe the opposite of what I typed above about long posts, and I encourage intelligent posts over spam. Carry on. I feel people contributed some nice posts in this thread in all honesty.

I apologize, I misunderstood haha

Hope you had a great new years day, and have an equally great year ahead :)

Seems like the logical progression of the wii-u. But it seems like something nintendo isn't ready for in 5 years.

I think people have shown recently that they are perfectly content carrying around multiple devices. As long as the other device is justified and complimentary to the phone much like 3ds.

I think I would love something like this, but I am just not sure it is something that nintendo could pull off. It does however bring up alot of interesting questions though like: Whats the format for the games? Possible battery life? The initial cost? Development costs? Multi touch? Multiple models for storage? SD cards?

Pretty neat Idea

The 3DS had more good games than the PS3 & 360 combined in 2013, while the Wii U has more good games than the PS4 & X1 combined...

Metacritic's Handheld, Console and PC comparison

I believe it and it's going to be awesome, because the 3DS is awesome. Although don't get too ahead of yourself, it'll basically be a 3DS sequel with nicer graphics and an HDMI output port with bluetooth connectivity (like if you wanted to pair multiple gamepads to it). Looking forward to it.

@charizard1605 said:

@SolidTy said:

@charizard1605 said:

@SolidTy said:

I don't believe in long reads or subjecting others to long reads, therefore tl;dr.

Good for you, sir.

I was being a bit cheeky before, the joke relying on my own history of longer posts. It was supposed to garner a trolling response of "lol, Mr. longwinded himself" or something to that effect.

Sincerely, I believe the opposite of what I typed above about long posts, and I encourage intelligent posts over spam. Carry on. I feel people contributed some nice posts in this thread in all honesty.

I apologize, I misunderstood haha

Hope you had a great new years day, and have an equally great year ahead :)

Cheers to that! :)

I haven't bothered to read your post (yet). But I've had this theory for a long time. One of the main objections I can think of is from Nintendo's perspective, the optimal position is to have two markets selling well, rather than one. Obviously this might not be the case right now, but it's still the ideal state that they might strive for. Eventually I don't think they have a choice though, and they'll have to go for this option.

A final thing to consider is the technology (power, portable, streaming capabilities) is not ready. It needs to be tried and tested as well as cheap. So we may have to wait a few generations before we see this happen.

@SolidTy: ah bloody hell. I will see if i can clean that up. not sure what happened. if i claimed glitchspot would i get away with it? :P

Sounds doable, with a few serious problems: DD would be a big priority to gamers due to its portable nature (Nintendo would need to redesign and implement a decent online infrastructure....they've always struggled with this). And if the past is any indicator of the future, they would be extremely frugal on the hardware itself on things like the HDD, which would subsequently force people to upgrade out of pocket right after purchase to be able to play all DD games if they prefer not to haul all their games around, which would kind of defeat the purpose of a portable system. Plus Nintendo would need to invest in a decent battery, and stop doing such anti-consumer business practices such as failing to include an AC recharger with the 3DS which forces the buyer to spend money on something that should've been included in the 1st place.

IF Nintendo changed a few of the above, it could be a great idea. Also, if Nintendo lowered their digital prices a bit after a few months it'd help a lot (which won't happen due to Iwata's last recent excuse of "not wanting to devalue our games in gamers' eyes by offering them cheaper as a digital purchases"....which is insulting). And if they were able to get the VC up to its full potential, all would be steps in the right direction. But regardless, I'll never, EVER buy anything digital from Nintendo until they link my account to the cloud instead of the console. This alone makes me buying any hybrid where DD is of paramont importance to its convinience as a handheld an impossibility. And let's be real here: Nintendo's been lacking behind on this past a decade, even though they've made claims that they've been working on it from years ago. It ain't happening.

To be honest though, I don't think Nintendo's capable of doing these even if they wanted to under the current management (not just Iwata, but everyone calling the shots at NCL). I like the idea of a hybrid and can see how it's a good idea, but that's only until I view it in the context of Nintendo's current policies and philosophy.

I address this point in the OP too, and I talk about how the halving of the revenue streams is more than compensated for via other avenues (R&D for one system, unified software sales, third party licenses, and so on).

Who bumped this thread?

@Zassimick: @LegatoSkyheart: @trugs26: @osan0:@Dr-Gentlemen: @darkspineslayer: @Shottayouth13-: @nintendoboy16:

Called it

Why did you bump this, charizard?

Just for gloating purposes, mostly. I was gonna lock it once I had had my fill :D

I didnt even notice the date lol

Still think a Tegra X1 or even X2 would be too weak to get proper ports of AAA third party games.

The fact that Just Dance and Sonic are the only third party games announced for the NX should tell you everything you need to know about third party support and the NX.

@verbtex: "Why did you bump this, charizard?"

Because he's a ego maniac.

I didn't read all that but from what I glance through, how does he take credit for someone else research?

@PSP107:Who else's research?

@charizard1605: Dude this is a 2 year old thread that you bumped. Lock it already man.

Shut up Chaz