The difference in Philosphy between Sony and MS this gen

Sony - delays most of their big games. Infamous was supposed to be a launch title, Drive club got delayed a year, The order got delayed from holiday 2014 to early 2015. Deep down has gone AWOL

Ms - only delay is KSR, and they gave 1 level for free in the meantime.

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MS - focus on games and player experience. Dedicated servers for all games plus focusing on new ways to immerse players. Games like sunset overdrive, quantum break, titanfall all bringing new experiances.

Sony - focus on cinematic gameplay. no multiplayer options in most their games.

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MS - Monthly updates, adding features people want

Sony - still working on stability. Haven't added most of the features people want

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Sony - trying to milk old games money with remakes like TLOU and PSnow subscriptions

MS - bringing in new franchise and new experiences with their classics

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MS - Honest and upfront, even if its news people don't like

Sony - puts out lies and half truths everywhere. the latest posting watch dogs was 1080p and 60FPS, but the KZ resolution gate, the 7GB of RAM for games, All these delayed games which i feel were just lies on their releases

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In the end, I'm confused as to what sony is doing right now? yes they made a great system at a great price but after they had the media on their side, they literally stopped doing anything positive. It really feels like they "took the money and ran with it" Charging for online multiplayer but not offering servers for better online play. Most games don't even have MP options from sony. Everything they show. I find it hard to believe they had to delay so many games. to me (and this is conjecture) it just seems like sony knew they didn't have much ready for the 1st year so they lied and figured they could call it a delay. Meanwhile my PS4 is not getting any love. For a company that is for gamers, where are all the games? didn't they promise 15 new IPs after MS promised 12. well where are they? Knack, Deep Down, The order, Drive club? ok thats 4. where are the other 11 games? MS promised 12 and they announced ryse, D4, quantum break, titanfall, sunset overdrive, project spark, crimson dragon. I mean almost half have been shown already. I know this board is very cow centric, and the 1st 10 replies will probably be calling me a lem, but the fact remains as a PS4 owner i want to see sony get off their ass and start doing something good for the PS4. and if cows were smart, they would be more critical because the more crap you fling at sony for not doing anything, the more they will be forced to respond and give something back to gamers

Nice spin....cows will eat ya alive

Yeah, you kinda need to explain your points in more detail. Links would be great. Otherwise, this thread gets a "meh."

i don't know man. it's not like ms is noble, and sony is nefarious.

i see what you're saying but overall i'd say they're both as bad as each other.

This is why I don't own a ps4.

I would expect people to be up on news and stuff here. I don't think links are needed. but i can add if a moderator requests.

MS isn't noble. Sony isn't nefarious. Both are the same. 2 big companies trying to make profits off gaming. nothing more nothing less. I just think Sony hasn't shown enough for the PS4. MS has done a better job at providing content and updates for its next gen system then sony has. But in my eyes, they are still the same as far as a company goes. This was more on the actions of both in the last 18 months and how MS has better supported its hardware then sony and how sony needs to step up.

I don't see any "philosophy" from what you wrote here. I just see a fanboy who wrote a bunch of nitpicking negatives about a company he doesn't like and forced positives about the company he is a fanboy of.

Most of what you wrote isn't even fact it's opinion, and not the opinion of either company just YOUR opinion, lol so how is it their philosophy?

Take a looks at this portion of your argument...

"Sony - trying to milk old games money with remakes like TLOU and PSnow subscriptions

MS - bringing in new franchise and new experiences with their classics"

So MS isn't planning on bringing out another halo remake for XB1? You can't even make your points without being a hypocrite so why even bother?

You can mark this thread under gutter trash.

I'm looking forward to E3 which is so soon. My next gen consoles library is anemic (including my Xbone, Wii U, and PS4), but like every generation I'm catching up playing some amazing games in my last generation backlog. I just recently polished Xenoblade and I got the Last of Us platinum (MP trophies where a chore!). Not to mention, I play the occasional StarCraft II Heart of the Swarm (I own multiple copies) LANed up in the home as well. :) I won't play games like Watch Dogs which is getting average scores when I have AAA gems that I still have yet to complete. Sure, they aren't the new hotness, but I would rather play TOP TIER, high quality games I haven't completed sitting on a shelf rather than buying the newest, but above average, game (78/100 Wolfenstein & 82/100 Watchdogs).

This means if these new machines keep getting above average games, I'm not going to play more than $20 for those games and I'll keep playing high scoring, high quality last gen games sitting on my shelf. That's how I operate until the real high quality games roll out that I will spend $60 on release. This worked for me last generation and the generation before that.

This thread is far too x-biased made by a questionable, and proven Xboxer TC for me to get specific other than to say E3 is weeks away, yay. :) E3 may solve some problems with the next gen library or it may not. We'll see. Just in case, I have all the machines so I say bring the GREAT games on. I bought Titanfall, MGS5, and Infamous this year and I know I'm getting Batman. I have the money, but I just am not "SUPER DAY ONE BUY!" enthusiastic about many upcoming games slated this year. I'm hoping E3 will change how I feel, including the meager 1st party offerings I see for all three machines.

Do you know what the defenition of philosophy even is?

You're just a faux pusedo intellectual who spouts bullshit with the guise of trying to seem unbiased.

This is one of the most biased postings I have ever read here

It's posts like TC's that remind me how hard the die hard XBox fanboys have had it early in this gen. This guy sounds like Sony burned his house down... and MS built him a new one.

Hey, whatever you gotta tell yourself TC. Hang in there.

so lol worthy. Didn't take long for someone to own another lem. But this is what happens when you're desperate, you just don't think right! XD

Well said and for the most part I agree. I have been playing games from steam, more than new console at this point. I jump on Titanfall for a bit, then play Arkham, or Dark Souls on PC. I did pick up watchdogs as three of my still serving buddies were getting it and I want to MP with them. I'll let you know what I think bro.

TC, this thread while trying to have some points, really doesn't. I cant blame Sony for riding the wave MS created for them with their terrible reveal last year. They don't have to spend much right now to make money with PS4, and that company NEEDS that. Games will come from both, I will game on both, all will be good. Unless a fanboy then you'll always have complaints.

And thread.

Let's get a lock on this.

One year PSN+ is more worth than whole Xbox live gold have had in lifetime

Yes, if Watchdogs has a fun and unique MP, let me know. I got a few peeps asking if I was going to get it, but I'm not sold yet. I would overlook the SP if the MP felt new and fresh...and certainly if I had people really wanting to play it with me, as you do.

@darkangel115: Not really enough proof. Some of the things you;ve said goes both ways. Both companies have lied several times on many key things pertaining to their system or games. Both companies have delayed games as well. Sony seems to have delayed more key titles then M$.

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LMAO!! No. Not even close. PSN being hacked and Sony lying about customer personal data being stolen, pretty much kills PSN again XBL. Also PSN was down for a full month, something XBL has never done.

Well said. I also like when i hear the bullshit line "That was Sony then, they are different this time with the PS4". Such LOL. I think they are worse now because they are desperate. You also touched on the "numbers wars" with we have 15 launch titles and will have 150 by the end of the year or whatever it was. All lies and people laugh when you say indies as filler.

I also agree on how Microsoft has been keeping up with the fan feedback and really making changes where it counts.

Sony managed to put gamers first and already are making a profit on each ps4 sold. So I guess Sony is winning, in everything...except exclusives at this point.

Sony was prepared for the 1st year , and we all knew it -

• Guerrilla Games - (internal)
• Sucker Punch - (internal)
• San Diego - (internal)
• Evolution - (internal)

What we thought that should really be there -

• The Last of Us - (to help covert former Lems , Sheep , or other noobs) , and we know The Last of Us 2 is a no-brainer, The Last of Us is a must-release.
• Planetside 2 - (because the PS4 could handle it unlike the PS3 , and people wanted it).

What else we are getting from Sony / Sony publishing (so far) -

• Knack - (internal)
• DC Universe - (internal)
• Singstar - (internal)
• Resogun , Doki-Doki Universe , Hohokum , Helldivers
• Flower , flow , Sound Shapes , Escape Plan , Dead Nation A , PixelJunk Shooter U

All of the above Sony games that have released so far are 70+ Metacritic except for Knack.

Microsoft's LocoCycle , Ryse , Kinect Sports Rivals, Crimson Dragon , Powerstar Golf , Halo Spartan Assault , and Zoo Tycoon have all fallen short already. They were all once part of the great Xbone list in the console war against the mighty PS4 , but now have a line through them.

Sony beat Microsoft out of the gate on streaming , downloading/installing games , UI / system usability , and various other things including launch release countries !

3rd party support has been good , PS+ has been good , PS Live is cool to check out from time to time , Sony recently added Sharefactory , remote play with Vita works pretty well , and PS Now is also also coming this year

Yes , it's a bit of a bummer that The Order 1886 was delayed a few months , but it'll be here before you know it.

This year , Sony is going to continue to -

• update the PS4
• announce franchise games
• announce new IP's
• announce more downloadables and ports

Nothing stops this train.

If someone's noble in this thread, these are people who pretend to be noble and attack TC.

I feel that TC is being attacked without

his arguments being given even a tiniest modicum of consideration. And only because he DARED to criticise Sony.

Some of his points are facts:

"no multiplayer options in most their games." like Infamous SS doesn't have one, The Order won't have one whereas both Dead Rising 3 (a launch game) already had one and Sunset Overdrive will have one too. Ryse also had multiplayer. Titanfall while only a console exclusive is multiplayer-only. They've also beaten Sony to another multiplayer game Plants vs Zombies which is/was their timed exclusive. If this isn't an indication of anything then I don't know what is. I'm not saying that one approach is better than the other. I'm just saying A has something in greater quantity than B.

Delays, blatant lying about resolution/FPS and providing lesser amount of updates are also measurable / tangible facts. Why couldn't anyone admit it? in the long run I agree with Ty and cainetao but the fact no one pointed out things I did is highly disturbing to me.

I love the asshurt lemmings on here. Xflop continues to get destroyed monthly.

Any Company that wants your MONEY is never going to be 100% honest to you.

Some just lie more than others to get it?

Thread backfire lol!! TLHBO

@b4x said:

@aroxx_ab said:

One year PSN+ is more worth than whole Xbox live gold have had in lifetime

it shouldn't even be subjective. Games with gold has never been worth it and padding gold with services that should be free (non gaming applications, party chat, etc) doesn't really count since they were always free as soon as they were introduced on the competition.

Good points, dude. I should have addressed those, and stand corrected. Sony, like any company has not been a white knight of truth. And you're right. One reason TC has been attacked is because he criticized the almighty Sony. Funny how times change. Last gen sales didn't matter, this gen they do. It is alarming that you have to pay for MP and quite a few games don't offer it. But I know, they're leasing us games, so its all good.

To an extent I agree with you TC, but it does take time to develop games, but this does not excuse sony's poor first year lineup so far for the PS4. I don't know why sony is not implementing some really requested features. They may implement some of these features soon.To everyone that does not agree with the TC's opinion can you explain why you don't agree with the TC instead of attacking him. Can you explain what you wrote in your Op in more detail TC.

That's my beef ever since I've joined this board but this perception hasn't changed yet, so I'll be always pointing out certain things towards Sony where I know that double standards for Nintendo or MS still exists on this board, lol. Once this perception is dropped I'll be more than happy to stop pointing certain things out.

@darkangel115 I wouldn't count Sony all the way out on games financially they are struggling right now, but besides that they gave us games new exclusives almost right up until the next gen got here. Common sense says when you look at their finances and how they where putting out games prior to this gen that PS4 would not have much games to begin with.

Yea M$ is a software company and xbox is running full blown win8 so expect them to push out updates just as often as Win8 more or less.

TLOU I put in my top 3 games I ever played.....

I doubt Soy is really tryna do online gaming the more they push online gaming the more it prove XBL is more stable and reliable which would piss consumers off, you can catch even the most hardcore PS fanboys complaining about lag. I have PSnow and PSnow=lag on a 60mbps connection. PSnow hype lasted shorter than SS hype. In all fairness it does have potential but I don't see Sony having money to support PS4 games, Morpheus, and PSnow right now maybe in the future but now they are spread to thin and already set to loose another billion this year

Sony does lie and they work in very grey areas sometimes, M$ doesn't have the luxury of being able to straight up lie being a more prestigious company, but they step in those grey areas sometimes too. But Sony has done it, they have single handedly convinced a group of people into thinking that low power laptop parts are more powerful than pc's or where they will be 12 months from now, and be able to keep up until "next gen".

"MS - Honest and upfront, even if its news people don't like"

All your anti Sony stuff is accurate, yes. But this shit is downright hilarious and so far from the truth. I think you must have slept through the year 2013.

Hey champ, how's life? I guess you're rather busy with it? What you're doing now?

Long time since I've last seen you on here...The last time I remember we had any meaningful conversation was when I was having troubles with that awful boss fight in Gears of War 2...

@Salt_The_Fries: Hey Salt, I still drop in here from time to time when my common sense is tingling. Just working and some 7th gen gaming really, there are few reasons to upgrade yet, yourself?

Yeah, was it Skorge? Skrelge? That Predator looking douche. Then the end boss was nothing more than "Hold right trigger for 5 seconds", lol.

Hey, still in the 7th gen as well, and I have like 40 games on my backlog, lol. I think I won't ever have to buy anything for 360, because I have everything worthwile in my library already. Like really. Anyway, I got married last year, got a MA from English studies last year, and since I hadn't had much time last year for gaming, now I'm gaming like a crazy maniac whenever I have the time. Movies, music, etc. have been pushed aside.

No need a wall of text. PS4 is 30-40% more powerful and that's the only thing that needs to be said.

"MS - Honest and upfront"

Strong joke thread, laughed a lot OP!

Sony - " we need a variety of quality exclusives to sell the ps4 just like what we did with ps1,2,3"

M$ - " How are we gonna trick people in buying xbone? The wii gimmick isnt enough !"

Good to see a nice unbiased post for a change...

I'm sure we could all point out the negatives of the Xbox One...

Did you say 20%-30% more powerful?

Thank you. And gladly. I underlined my explanations

Sony - delays most of their big games. Infamous was supposed to be a launch title, Drive club got delayed a year, The order got delayed from holiday 2014 to early 2015. Deep down has gone AWOL

Ms - only delay is KSR, and they gave 1 level for free in the meantime.

Here I was making the point that MS has delivered its games on time. Everything shown at E3 will be released this year with the possible exception of quantum break which never had a release date. Meanwhile sony had pushed driveclub from launch to a year later, Infamous went from launch to March 2014, Deep down has gone awol, then there was the dark sorcerer FUD tech demo. In other words, sony is not coming through on delivering their games on time.

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MS - focus on games and player experience. Dedicated servers for all games plus focusing on new ways to immerse players. Games like sunset overdrive, quantum break, titanfall all bringing new experiances.

Sony - focus on cinematic gameplay. no multiplayer options in most their games.

This part I've referred to recent interviews with different teams. RAD, Sucker punch, GG have all admitted to making gameplay sacrifices for visuals. Sony has been pushing devs for 1080p (or as close as possible) as their buzz word advantage. Personally i feel its counter productive, I feel like they should let devs make the game how they choose. But you have The order, infamous, etc with no MP, The order dev stated he is focusing on story and cinematics more then gameplay etc etc. Meanwhile in MS land, everything form MS is about making games fun and giving new experiance. The recent article about gears and how they have to manage betrayal was a great read http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gears-of-war-boss-talks-about-managing-betrayal-with-a-sequel/1100-6419897/ MS is focusing on having games that are new and fun meanwhile sony is focused on having games with high IQ but don't really care about gameplay

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MS - Monthly updates, adding features people want

Sony - still working on stability. Haven't added most of the features people want

MS has been actively listening to what fans wanted since they launched. They've fixed alot of launch issues/bugs/poor features and roll out updates monthly. The xbox one is a much different system then the one of 6 months ago. Meanwhile the PS4 has had maybe half the updates and is still missing some pretty basic stuff that people have been asking for but sony hasn't commented on or provided. MS has been much more interactive with people in making sure they are happy with their product.

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Sony - trying to milk old games money with remakes like TLOU and PSnow subscriptions

MS - bringing in new franchise and new experiences with their classics

I seen this one got some hate from people that didn't understand. In Sony's case, their 2 big E3 things s far (well 2 out of 3 with Morpheus being the 3rd) is PSnow a streaming service in which they will charge you a monthly fee to stream old PS1-3 games on your PS3. and TLOU remastered which is a "HD remake" of a game that is 1 year old and just came out on the PS3. Its milking in the same way square milked TR with the TR:DE. With MS there is a rumor of a halo 1-4 edition. The reason i'm ok with this, is its 4 games in 1. Now if they remade halo 4 only in a DE then i would shit on MS for milking it. Remember halo 2 never came out on the 360 either so unless you had the original xbox (or a gaming PC) you never played it. If sony made an UC 1-3 HD collection, i wouldn't call it a cash grab at all. Then when i said new franchises, they MS said that had like 15 game sin development with 8 new IPs or something like that and sony came out with 20 new games and 15 new IPs or something. and yet sony hasn't showed them. sony has released 1 new IP in knack so far and have 2 more (the order, driveclub) announced and maybe a 3rd in deep down (but it is supposedly in japan only) so not sure. and with their classics MS are upping the ante with gears and halo and with fable were getting a 1v4 D&D style game set in the fable universe. that's what i mean by new experiences with their classics

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MS - Honest and upfront, even if its news people don't like

Sony - puts out lies and half truths everywhere. the latest posting watch dogs was 1080p and 60FPS, but the KZ resolution gate, the 7GB of RAM for games, All these delayed games which i feel were just lies on their releases

Here its pretty self explanatory. I know people have been commenting about kinect and flipping a switch for DRM but there is a difference between a lie and a change of plans. MS said they have no plans to sell xbox without kinect, but plans change. Its a huge difference form posting the definitive 1080p 60FPS experience only on PS4 when the game is 900p and 30fps. There is a difference in MS saying ryse is 900p upscaled to 1080p then Sony saying KZ is 1080p 60FPS in MP until GG felt guilty and admitted it was 960x1080p per frame. Or sony letting rumors run wild about having 7GB of ram for games when they really have 4.5.

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So those are my explanations and mind you i know some of it is not a big deal and can be chalked up to "business as usual" I'm just saying that i don't like the lack of game support for my PS4 and the ones coming out are focused on SP cinematics and not fun and social gameplay which makes me go WTF?

Funny read.

Neither next gen consoles will be able to run all next gen games at 1080P and sony should really stop bragging about this or else it could hurt there momentum if something like watch dogs happens again.I really don't care about the resolution of a game or it's graphics. I just like to play games that mostly are decent or great in the gameplay department and none of the launch games besides infamous meet this requirement for the PS4. I'm not interested in the ps4 lineup either.Almost all the third party games released on the ps4 besides a couple from last year and this year will just have improved graphics or framerate and nothing else . Only a few like battlefield 4 had features that were impossible to run on last gen consoles(like 64 player multiplayer) and are only PS4/XB1 games like batman.The first party lineup will be even worse than the WiiU this year if nothing first party related gets announced that will release this year for the PS4. I really don't care if a game has online or not.I mostly play single player games. Some of the future ps4 exclusives also look unappealing so far(like the Order 1886) for me because they seem to be focusing on the wrong things so far(i.e cinematics/story over gameplay, but this can change).Alot of the games shown this year that are exclusive to the ps4 or xb1 will not release in 2014, but they may release anywere from 2015-2017.I really do like that MS has been listening to the people that bought the xbox one or will buy an xbox one in the future.This is making the xbox one more appealing for someone like me. I really don't know why sony has not tried that much to make the ps4 a better console in terms of features.They are kinda being lazy in this department.