System Wars Vote: Should downloadable games be counted for the metagame?

If we count download games then that would mean Peggle has the same standards as retail games. They shouldn't count.

JohnnyCageMK

I can think of many worse retail games than Peggle.

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

If we count download games then that would mean Peggle has the same standards as retail games. They shouldn't count.

Wiimotefan

I can think of many worse retail games than Peggle.

So can I but it doesn't mean it should count. Most download games are closer to flash games you can play on sites like miniclip and pogo than retail games.

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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

If we count download games then that would mean Peggle has the same standards as retail games. They shouldn't count.

JohnnyCageMK

I can think of many worse retail games than Peggle.

So can I but it doesn't mean it should count. Most download games are closer to flash games you can play on sites like miniclip and pogo than retail games.

Being a 360 fan, you should know better than that. There are plenty of XBLA titles that far outclass their retail competitors.

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

The fact that price is taken into consideration doesn't really matter, at least IMO. Its the best value for your dollar. you get the better game for what you payed. Arguements comparing systems are based on one thing at their root. X system is better then X system and is a better buy. also yeah XBLA should be a major factor....

Jonwh18

Value is subjective, and that's an idea the metagame should try to circumvent.

Under the idea of "value-per-dollar" there needs to be three-to-four 9.0 rated dowloadable titles to equal a single 9.0 retail title.

The metagame should be purely a 1:1 comparison of scores between systems. One AAAe retail exclusive holds the same exact weight as another AAAe retail exclusive, and one AAAe downloadable title should hold the same weight as any other AAAe downloadable titles.

Yes?

The point is that value shouldn't be the deciding factor of the metagame because if it were then we'd have to reassess how we compare the systems.

If the value-per-dollar of World of Goo (at $20 when it launched) is the exact same as Halo 4 ($60) given that they both scored a 9.0, then that leaves a humungous hole in the way the metagame functions as a comparison tool.

At that point it takes three World of Goo quality downloadable titles to match Halo 4.

Maybe the metagame should be tallied up by the cost of the entire library?

To prevent the usual fanboy nonsense, yes.

Tell you what, when this is done, we will add an addenum to the System Wars Survival Guide to reflect more information on the meta game and the result of this vote.

To prevent the usual fanboy nonsense, yes.

thom_maytees

If GS gets off their ass and does some reviews, the PS3 is going to start killing it soon.

$2 games like velocity will soon be equal to Halo 4.

http://www.gamespot.com/velocity/reviews/velocity-review-6383169/

[QUOTE="thom_maytees"]

To prevent the usual fanboy nonsense, yes.

Eddie-Vedder

Pretty much, but it seems most people are voting yes.

Fast forward 6-7 years from now, and we'll see a thread calling for a change back to the current system after the next Playstation gets 50 high-rated, full-fledged titles, and gets beaten in the metagame by the iPhone.

[QUOTE="thom_maytees"]

To prevent the usual fanboy nonsense, yes.

Eddie-Vedder

Sooo if people enjoy those tower defense games more than another shooter is that wrong?

Most of my favorite games this gen didn't fall into the AAA Halo, Gears, Uncharted, GoW, Killzone, blah, blah, territory.

We already make dumb comparisons on this board all the time. We compare shooters to rpgs. Racers to platformers. Fighting games to adventure games. People are always debating scores between games that are drastically different. Games that come with different standards as is.

I just don't see why its ok to have Mario Galaxy, Halo and Gran Turismo compete in the same field, but god forbid a game like Super Meat Boy be compared to DKCR, or NSMB. Its funny really. We dont draw the line at genre, but we draw the line at price? Makes no sense at all.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="thom_maytees"]

To prevent the usual fanboy nonsense, yes.

Ly_the_Fairy

Pretty much, but it seems most people are voting yes.

Fast forward 6-7 years from now, and we'll see a thread calling for a change back to the current system after the next Playstation gets 50 high-rated, full-fledged titles, and gets beaten in the metagame by the iPhone.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="thom_maytees"]

To prevent the usual fanboy nonsense, yes.

ConanTheStoner

Sooo if people enjoy those tower defense games more than another shooter is that wrong?

Most of my favorite games this gen didn't fall into the AAA Halo, Gears, Uncharted, GoW, Killzone, blah, blah, territory.

We already make dumb comparisons on this board all the time. We compare shooters to rpgs. Racers to platformers. Fighting games to adventure games. People are always debating scores between games that are drastically different. Games that come with different standards as is.

I just don't see why its ok to have Mario Galaxy, Halo and Gran Turismo compete in the same field, but god forbid a game like Super Meat Boy be compared to DKCR, or NSMB. Its funny really. We dont draw the line at genre, but we draw the line at price? Makes no sense at all.

[QUOTE="thom_maytees"]

To prevent the usual fanboy nonsense, yes.

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="thom_maytees"]

To prevent the usual fanboy nonsense, yes.

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] IOS/Android games are.Eddie-Vedder

Yes.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]What do those have to do with PCD, XBLA, PSN, or WiiWare?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] They are games. I don't understand your question. Gamespot/Metacritic reviews them... Not sure what you mean. Eddie-Vedder

Yes.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]What do those have to do with PCD, XBLA, PSN, or WiiWare?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Gamespot doens't review iOS or Android games, a third party site through Gamespot reviews them. Secondly, they are not part of SystemWars so why do you bringing them up?Stevo_the_gamer

Gamespot doens't review iOS or Android games, a third party site through Gamespot reviews them.

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Gamespot doens't review iOS or Android games, a third party site through Gamespot reviews them.

thom_maytees

I like how, the instant downloadable games are up for consideration, iOS and Android games are suddenly worthy of discussion. :lol:

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Gamespot doens't review iOS or Android games, a third party site through Gamespot reviews them. Secondly, they are not part of SystemWars so why do you bringing them up?Stevo_the_gamer

SW doesn't care about kinect and move games and they count. So why are you ignoring games? If you count arcade games ignoring price IOS and Android games will count, doesn't matter what you or who you think cares about. It's simple logic, either they count or they don't count, whether we care is irrelevant. As of right now they hold no importance, if the rule changes they are fair game in the SW metagame. Eddie-Vedder

I like how, the instant downloadable games are up for consideration, iOS and Android games are suddenly worthy of discussion. :lol:

The_Game21x

I like how, the instant downloadable games are up for consideration, iOS and Android games are suddenly worthy of discussion. :lol:

The_Game21x

Yes, they should.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

I like how, the instant downloadable games are up for consideration, iOS and Android games are suddenly worthy of discussion. :lol:

Eddie-Vedder

I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen iOS and Android games so much as mentioned in the same arena as PS3/360/Wii/Vita/3DS games but I'd need a hell of a lot of hands to count the number of times people were laughed at for even bringing them up, regardless of the situation.

Personally, I couldn't care less if iOS and Android games were added to the metagame. It would be one less reason for people around here to discount the worth of iOS and Android as gaming platforms.

Wrong. It's System Wars, not PS, XBox WIi and PC wars, as stated SOOOOO many times by our very own CaseyWegner. Your dropping the ball Stevo. They count, they are official systems with games and reviews on gamespot and metacritic. What you care about really doesn't matter. Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] Sorry bub. No way they wouldn't count. All games are equal. These games are reviewed on Gamespot. :| senses_fail_06

Like you guys are trying to weasel out of this by bringing iOS and Android games into the discussion?

Platforms that no one counted as part of the metagame to begin with?

Right...

That's cute. SystemWars doesn't care about them though, and have never been considered part of the generation as dedicated gaming systems have. Whether or not DD is counted means little, for the discussion will never revolve around mobile games no matter how hard you stomp your feet. Pretending that SW will accept mobile games all of a sudden is borderline delusional.Stevo_the_gamer

As Eddie already pointed out, most people who don't give a damn about the Kinect or the Wonderbook, but they're counted in the Metagame.

Wait, so only some games are equal? Does Gamespot review games based on price and value? If yes, logic dictates they shouldn't count as equals in the metagame. If no, then you're delusional and should seek help.

You can't have it both ways. Either all games are equal and pricing/size of a game matters or it doesn't, in which case any platform can be counted if it is reviewed on GS.

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Ya, really not sure what card Stevo is trying to play here, this is SYSTEM wars, and they are reviewed on Gamespot and Metacritic. I don't think he thought this through. The_Game21x

Like you guys are trying to weasel out of this by bringing iOS and Android games into the discussion?

Platforms that no one counted as part of the metagame to begin with?

Right...

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] I like how they are trying to weasel out of it though...gotta love the lems xD.Stevo_the_gamer

It's late and I'm going to bed. I suggest you all write out your arguments with pen and paper and actually consider what you are doing. It's not as simple as if arcade games count or not.