SW Magazine #62 - Wii U launch aftermath, Halo 4 review, Vita's death, and more!

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#2 Posted by MaskedPlayer (979 posts) -

1st

#3 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -

I did not get a WiiU and from the sounds of things I'm glad I didn't. There has been a lot of negativity towards it so far and the games seem rather dull so far.

#4 Posted by gameofthering (10094 posts) -

Rounded Discs?

They look like every disc I've seen.

#5 Posted by AdobeArtist (22789 posts) -

HAH! Pretty spiffy Photoshop job there Willy, with your avatar smashed through the Wii U tablet :P

#6 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -

Rounded Discs?

They look like every disc I've seen.

gameofthering

Yeah I don't get this either, what's the dealio?

#7 Posted by Willy105 (24499 posts) -
#8 Posted by ocidax (757 posts) -

You forgot: Wii U third place in consoles sales in their first week (US). In the history.

#9 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="gameofthering"]

Rounded Discs?

They look like every disc I've seen.

Willy105

Yeah I don't get this either, what's the dealio?

Engadget's article on the Wii U discs.

I had a disc like this before for something and they do feel quite a bit different.

#10 Posted by Kjranu (877 posts) -
Wow, just stumbled across SW magazine website for the 1st time. It has to be the worst e-rag on the internet ever. /facepalm
#11 Posted by 1PMrFister (3134 posts) -

Some choice comments taken from other users on the "Why your tastes are crap" article:

"I honestly couldn't take this clown seriously since I've laughed at pretty much everything he said. This dude himself has no taste in gaming since he hates everyone else's taste."

"What an elitistic @sshole!"

"Stop adding your sh*t articles to stumbleupon. Theyre not informative. Theyre not insightful. Theyre not even well written dreck. Stumble upon is for novel web experiences, not your butthurt ramblings. I dont even like Nintendo franchises but your b*tching is making 13 year olds look mature. Its embarrassing. Get a f*cking role model."


I didn't even know we were on Stumbleupon. =/

#12 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -

The Halo 4 review was absolutely disgusting. Like IGN levels of disgusting.

If that's not a joke review, whoever wrote it should feel bad for expecting people to take it seriously.

#13 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -

The Halo 4 review was absolutely disgusting. Like IGN levels of disgusting.

If that's not a joke review, whoever wrote it should feel bad for expecting people to take it seriously.

DarkLink77

Read the last paragraph and if the rest was like that, i'm glad I didn't read the whole thing. Sounds like gushing (which is likely where your IGN reference comes in)

#14 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The Halo 4 review was absolutely disgusting. Like IGN levels of disgusting.

If that's not a joke review, whoever wrote it should feel bad for expecting people to take it seriously.

seanmcloughlin

Read the last paragraph and if the rest was like that, i'm glad I didn't read the whole thing. Sounds like gushing (which is likely where your IGN reference comes in)

Bingo.
#15 Posted by jethrovegas (5074 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The Halo 4 review was absolutely disgusting. Like IGN levels of disgusting.

If that's not a joke review, whoever wrote it should feel bad for expecting people to take it seriously.

seanmcloughlin

Read the last paragraph and if the rest was like that, i'm glad I didn't read the whole thing. Sounds like gushing (which is likely where your IGN reference comes in)

Haven't played Halo 4, not a big fan of the series, so I don't have a horse in this race, guys. Nevertheless, I would like to point something out:

As a die-hard Halo fan

the reviewer with a massive erection

That was right at the start of the review. Don't know why you expected anything other than gushing after that, and it's nothing to b*tch about, really.

#16 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Read the last paragraph and if the rest was like that, i'm glad I didn't read the whole thing. Sounds like gushing (which is likely where your IGN reference comes in)

jethrovegas

Haven't played Halo 4, not a big fan of the series, so I don't have a horse in this race, guys. Nevertheless, I would like to point something out:

As a die-hard Halo fan

the reviewer with a massive erection

That was right at the start of the review. Don't know why you expected anything other than gushing after that, and it's nothing to b*tch about, really.

A clearly biased person shouldn't have a featured review then or be allowed to do the review. It's like when they let Greg Miller do the Uncharted 3 review at IGN. Such Hyperbole had never been uttered before.

#17 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -
Haven't played Halo 4, not a big fan of the series, so I don't have a horse in this race, guys. Nevertheless, I would like to point something out:

[QUOTE="the reviewer with a massive erection"]

As a die-hard Halo fan

jethrovegas

That was right at the start of the review. Don't know why you expected anything other than gushing after that, and it's nothing to b*tch about, really.

Can't say I agree, Jethro old chum. I consider myself a big Halo fan, but that doesn't mean that I can't write an honest review.
#18 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]Haven't played Halo 4, not a big fan of the series, so I don't have a horse in this race, guys. Nevertheless, I would like to point something out:

[QUOTE="the reviewer with a massive erection"]

As a die-hard Halo fan

DarkLink77

That was right at the start of the review. Don't know why you expected anything other than gushing after that, and it's nothing to b*tch about, really.

Can't say I agree, Jethro old chum. I consider myself a big Halo fan, but that doesn't mean that I can't write an honest review.

Exactly. A review should always be able to study a game objectively. In fact if you're a big fan of something you should be able to state its faults sooner than anyone else, as you know the series or franchise well.

#19 Posted by jethrovegas (5074 posts) -

A clearly biased person shouldn't have a featured review then or be allowed to do the review. It's like when they let Greg Miller do the Uncharted 3 review at IGN. Such Hyperbole had never been uttered before.

seanmcloughlin

Everyone's biased. Some people are more critical or level-headed than others, but that doesn't make the less critical ones somehow ineligible to review. I reviewed Hotline Miami this issue and basically "gushed" about it, and I have every right to. Moreover, I described it as running counter to trends that I personally (a qualifier a critic should never have to use) see as negative in gaming, so it was a clearly biased review, yet I will gladly defend it as a piece of criticism. It's not about biased or unbiased; it's about having reasons to back what you say. The Halo 4 reviewer did not go into much more detail than "I'm a Halo fan, this sh*t is f*cking awsum"(which I, for the record, think is f*cking moronic), but he clearly stated his reasoning, and also explained that he was not just a fan but a die-hard one, i.e, someone unlikely to be very critical of the game in question.

Pretty easy to say "okay, this guy's a die-hard Halo fan, this review isn't something that I want to read" and leave it at that.

#20 Posted by SolidTy (42128 posts) -

I bought two Deluxe Wii U's at launch. I own two Wii U exclusive games (New Mario U and NintendoLand). I have friends that bought others, like the GS low scoring 4.5 ZombiU. It's not so bad, but I haven't beat it yet. ZombiU is doing better at Metacritic with a 74/100.

It's a shame the machine doesn't allow for my IDs to be on both my consoles. Nintendo needs to fix that fact the IDs are stuck to one console. The Sound options are rather disappointing as well for a next gen machine. The Wii U does not support any licensed surround formats: DPII, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD etc. It's a fun machine though, and playing the Wii U Gamepad Tablet while other in the house are watching 1080p Blu-Rays with 7.1 surround is pretty neat.

For the foreseeable future, the Wii U will be my exclusives playing machine much like my N64, GC, and Wii were.

#21 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

A clearly biased person shouldn't have a featured review then or be allowed to do the review. It's like when they let Greg Miller do the Uncharted 3 review at IGN. Such Hyperbole had never been uttered before.

jethrovegas

Everyone's biased. Some people are more critical or level-headed than others, but that doesn't make the less critical ones somehow ineligible to review. I reviewed Hotline Miami this issue and basically "gushed" about it, and I have every right to. Moreover, I described it as running counter to trends that I personally (a qualifier a critic should never have to use) see as negative in gaming, so it was a clearly biased review, yet I will gladly defend it as a piece of criticism. It's not about biased or unbiased; it's about having reasons to back what you say. The Halo 4 reviewer did not go into much more detail than "I'm a Halo fan, this sh*t is f*cking awsum"(which I, for the record, think is f*cking moronic), but he clearly stated his reasoning, and also explained that he was not just a fan but a die-hard one, i.e, someone unlikely to be very critical of the game in question.

Pretty easy to say "okay, this guy's a die-hard Halo fan, this review isn't something that I want to read" and leave it at that.

The point of a review is to show people who haven't played it what it does good and what it does bad. No game is absolutely perfect and you should be able to say some flaws a game has, more often than not if a game is good then it overcomes these flaws. But to mindlessly gush about something with all positives tells the reader nothing. It doesn't help them get a good grasp of things as tastes differ.

A reviewer is always slightly biased, sure, I can agree with that. But a proper review is able to hide these biased opinions and just write the facts. A little bit if gushing is fine if the game is really THAT good. But paragraph after paragraph of gushing and hyperbole isn't good. It's not good practice or good english. Balance is essential.

#22 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -

Great Hotline Miami review, by the way, Jethro. Had I seen that while it was still on sale, I probably would have bought it.

#23 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -

Great Hotline Miami review, by the way, Jethro. Had I seen that while it was still on sale, I probably would have bought it.

DarkLink77

It's one hell of a game alright. Dat soundtrack.

Also @jethro your review is good.

#24 Posted by jethrovegas (5074 posts) -

The point of a review is to show people who haven't played it what it does good and what it does bad. No game is absolutely perfect and you should be able to say some flaws a game has, more often than not if a game is good then it overcomes these flaws. But to mindlessly gush about something with all positives tells the reader nothing. It doesn't help them get a good grasp of things as tastes differ.

A reviewer is always slightly biased, sure, I can agree with that. But a proper review is able to hide these biased opinions and just write the facts. A little bit if gushing is fine if the game is really THAT good. But paragraph after paragraph of gushing and hyperbole isn't good. It's not good practice or good english. Balance is essential.

seanmcloughlin

I agree with your essential point, that reviews, ideally, should be critiques of a game. But that process cannot be reduced to a feature by feature evaluation. That's what a product reviewer does, not a critic. A critic evaluates a game through his (hopefully well-developed) frame of reference and makes of his overall feeling on the game a clear and open statement as to its quality. In the case of any review I've ever written the reader can, at the very least, come to an understanding of whether I thought a game was bad or good, sometimes with very detailed reasons, and sometimes with general rants. But the careful focusing of these feelings into language is the central purpose of a review, not a standardized, ultra-formal recital and examination of each and every facet of a game. If I think a game is complete sh*t I'm not going to waste my time and the reader's going over each and every one of its failings. That would take whole books in a handful of cases.

Great Hotline Miami review, by the way, Jethro. Had I seen that while it was still on sale, I probably would have bought it.

DarkLink77

Do so at some point. It's really quite something.

#25 Posted by jg4xchamp (47070 posts) -

The Halo 4 review was absolutely disgusting. Like IGN levels of disgusting.

If that's not a joke review, whoever wrote it should feel bad for expecting people to take it seriously.

DarkLink77
The last paragraph was basically the IGN line about chief saying I won't miss. But seriously you vagina You're commenting on a SWM user review? At least have some standards for your b1tching
#27 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The Halo 4 review was absolutely disgusting. Like IGN levels of disgusting.

If that's not a joke review, whoever wrote it should feel bad for expecting people to take it seriously.

jg4xchamp
The last paragraph was basically the IGN line about chief saying I won't miss. But seriously you vagina You're commenting on a SWM user review? At least have some standards for your b1tching

Not b!tching. Just saying it was bad and I can't it seriously. B!tching is me talking about Valve, or you talking about Halo's single-player post-CE.
#28 Posted by jg4xchamp (47070 posts) -
Objection that's called the truth completely different.
#29 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -
Objection that's called the truth completely different. jg4xchamp
Yeah, my anti-Valve rants are pretty goddamn enlightening, now that I think about it.
#30 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Objection that's called the truth completely different. DarkLink77
Yeah, my anti-Valve rants are pretty goddamn enlightening, now that I think about it.

You two really need to sleep together already. The tension is unbearable

#31 Posted by jg4xchamp (47070 posts) -

Don't hate! But no seriously dead give away was pretty early, and I don't think he would really need to apologize for that review. He gave fair warning.

Edit: jethro is mad dialed back in his review. But he makes the game sound interesting. Can't think of a stealth game where I was encouraged to go stealthy for kills.

#32 Posted by BlueVigor (43 posts) -
lol@ 71%. Glad to see I am not the only one on this site with common sense to not buy into the Wii U hype.
#33 Posted by OB-47 (10908 posts) -

That Halo review...was a bit too much in my view.

#34 Posted by D4W1L4H (1826 posts) -

The comment section on SWM articles never fail to disappoint.

#35 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (42584 posts) -
I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[
#36 Posted by jg4xchamp (47070 posts) -
I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[Stevo_the_gamer
Eww you bought a wiiu? Why would you do that to yourself?
#37 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (42584 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[jg4xchamp
Eww you bought a wiiu? Why would you do that to yourself?

:/
#38 Posted by Willy105 (24499 posts) -
I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[Stevo_the_gamer
Was it in the last thread?
#39 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2684 posts) -

I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[Stevo_the_gamer
That is like showing a picture of your ugly girlfriend. The wii u is a current gen system with missing multi media fearures,horrible online,no memory and no games for more money. If you wanted a tablet you should have gotten a ipad.

#40 Posted by MaskedPlayer (979 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[no-scope-AK47

That is like showing a picture of your ugly girlfriend. The wii u is a current gen system with missing multi media fearures,horrible online,no memory and no games for more money. If you wanted a tablet you should have gotten a ipad.

The only thing that matters is the fact that its pure fun to play.
#41 Posted by Willy105 (24499 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[no-scope-AK47

That is like showing a picture of your ugly girlfriend. The wii u is a current gen system with missing multi media fearures,horrible online,no memory and no games for more money. If you wanted a tablet you should have gotten a ipad.

Come back once your system has Miiverse and a 2TB HDD to put games in, with all developers allowed to put their games online as well as retail. And no, "it used to have something like it but they took it out because of greed" doesn't work.
#42 Posted by locopatho (20131 posts) -
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[Willy105

That is like showing a picture of your ugly girlfriend. The wii u is a current gen system with missing multi media fearures,horrible online,no memory and no games for more money. If you wanted a tablet you should have gotten a ipad.

Come back once your system has Miiverse and a 2TB HDD to put games in, with all developers allowed to put their games online as well as retail. And no, "it used to have something like it but they took it out because of greed" doesn't work.

You do know that "downloadable retail games" thing has been on 360 for many years? Here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_Games_on_Demand
#43 Posted by GunSmith1_basic (9746 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[no-scope-AK47

That is like showing a picture of your ugly girlfriend. The wii u is a current gen system with missing multi media fearures,horrible online,no memory and no games for more money. If you wanted a tablet you should have gotten a ipad.

tablets aren't gaming machines. They like to pretend, but that's not real gaming
#44 Posted by King_Dodongo (3247 posts) -
Haha I lol'd at the last picture.
#45 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (42584 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[Willy105
Was it in the last thread?

SWM thread. No. Wii U Thread. Yes. :P
#46 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (42584 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[no-scope-AK47

That is like showing a picture of your ugly girlfriend. The wii u is a current gen system with missing multi media fearures,horrible online,no memory and no games for more money. If you wanted a tablet you should have gotten a ipad.

Odd, I must be playing with imaginary games then. Silly me.

#47 Posted by Willy105 (24499 posts) -
[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I showed a picture of my Wii U. :[Stevo_the_gamer
Was it in the last thread?

SWM thread. No. Wii U Thread. Yes. :P

Post it here, I'll get it up there.
#48 Posted by Tinyrain (7 posts) -
Too long to read....
#49 Posted by yatesrinaldo1 (7 posts) -
I was just wondering if the theater mode recent games ever expire
#50 Posted by A_zombie (7385 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

A clearly biased person shouldn't have a featured review then or be allowed to do the review. It's like when they let Greg Miller do the Uncharted 3 review at IGN. Such Hyperbole had never been uttered before.

jethrovegas

Everyone's biased. Some people are more critical or level-headed than others, but that doesn't make the less critical ones somehow ineligible to review. I reviewed Hotline Miami this issue and basically "gushed" about it, and I have every right to. Moreover, I described it as running counter to trends that I personally (a qualifier a critic should never have to use) see as negative in gaming, so it was a clearly biased review, yet I will gladly defend it as a piece of criticism. It's not about biased or unbiased; it's about having reasons to back what you say. The Halo 4 reviewer did not go into much more detail than "I'm a Halo fan, this sh*t is f*cking awsum"(which I, for the record, think is f*cking moronic), but he clearly stated his reasoning, and also explained that he was not just a fan but a die-hard one, i.e, someone unlikely to be very critical of the game in question.

Pretty easy to say "okay, this guy's a die-hard Halo fan, this review isn't something that I want to read" and leave it at that.

So, if I happened to love a game and write a glowing review about it it's bias? Isn't that what glowing reviews are all about? I admit I tried so hard to find flaws but I coudn't and I put my Halo bias aside. I stand by my review and I appreciate all of your constructive criticism.