Super Smash Bros. 4 Will Release Holiday 2013

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#1 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -

Hear me out, okay?

Nintendo has roughly three massive cross demographical system sellers: Mario, Mario Kart, and Super Smash Bros. (If we count Pokemon, then it's four, but Pokemon is handheld only, and we are talking about the Wii U, so it's a moot point).

Now, let's examine the context the Wii U will find itself in come Holiday 2013:

  • It shall be coming off of a year of tepid to mediocre sales at best (since nothing announced on the horizon pre Fall would move systems in the slightest).
  • The Playstation 4 and the new Xbox will be releasing, offering a true generational leap, which means Nintendo will need to get aggressive and counter fast.
  • They could theoretically drop the price, but as their experience with the 3DS has demonstrated, just dropping the price does not stimulate (or sustain) sales; one needs to have the appropriate software to go with the reduced, more attractive price.


Which brings us to the games. As mentioned above, they have three cross demographical games: Mario, Mario Kart, and Super Smash Bros.

  • 3D Mario sells systems, but it does not sell enough systems. It sells to the core audience more than the casual audience, and said core audience will probably be more than willing to forego playing the newest Mario for a while, just so they can get their hands on the shiny new Xbox and Playstation. The other Mario that does sell to casuals and cores, New Super Mario, has already released on the Wii U and failed to generate any kind of interest or response.
  • Mario Kart has a slightly better outlook, except for one problem: Nintendo already played the Mario Kart card to sell the 3DS two years (at the time of Holiday 2013) ago. Casuals who just spent $170 plus another $40 to buy the latest Mario Kart then won't be willing to go spend another $250 (presuming the new price of the Deluxe model) plus $60 just to play another Mario Kart, when they might as well just play the DS, Wii, or 3DS games. For core gamers who like Mario Kart, again, it won't be enough by itself to sway them to cough up for a Wii U when they can buy a shiny new Xbox or Playstation instead.
  • This brings us to the final game on that list: Super Smash Bros. The last game will have been out for nearly six years by Holiday 2013, meaning no risk of franchise saturation there. The Wii U version will probably get top billing over the 3DS version (especially since the 3DS will take care of itself with the Pokemon release), meaning everyone who wants to play it will want to buy a Wii U. Super Smash Bros. does sell systems, and it sells systems to both, the casuals and the core gamers. Many core gamers might decide to buy a Wii U for Super Smash Bros. (plus the existing library; along with the fact that the launch kinks will have been worked out by then), because SSB is the one game that will sway them over a new Xbox or Playstation. Casuals will simply go after the game they want to play the most, and that game will be Super Smash Bros.


To lend credence to my theory is the fact that Nintendo has enlisted the help of Namco Bandai to help with Super Smash Bros. 4, which means that they have clearly fast tracked the development. You can quote me on this if you like, but Nintendo's marquee Holiday 2013 game will be SSB4.

#2 Posted by NathanDrakeSwag (5127 posts) -

Source? oh just another sheep dreaming about having games :lol:

#3 Posted by platniumgamer (4087 posts) -

Charizard.

#4 Posted by Miroku32 (8666 posts) -
Charizard, you are great dude but could you chill out a bit? Too many Nintendo threads on SWs right now.
#5 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -

Source? oh just another sheep dreaming about having games :lol:

NathanDrakeSwag
You realize I don't even have a Wii U and have zero f*cks to give about how it does? I don't care. What I do like to talk about is games (not a concept you would be familiar with, of course), and SSB4 is a game I am looking forward to. In this thread, I am trying to justify why it would release this year. Do you have an issue with that?
#6 Posted by mitu123 (153911 posts) -

We need a link man!

#7 Posted by Badosh (12733 posts) -
I prefer drops.
#8 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -
I prefer drops. Badosh
10% to Level 10...

We need a link man!

mitu123
Wait for E3. I will be vindicated ;)
#9 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -
Charizard, you are great dude but could you chill out a bit? Too many Nintendo threads on SWs right now. Miroku32
There needs to be some positivity amidst all the negativity, no?
#10 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -
This would be the greatest news ever! Who the f@ck would care about the PS4 and NextBox if the next Smash Bros. released? I know I wouldn't.
#11 Posted by NathanDrakeSwag (5127 posts) -

This would be the greatest news ever! Who the f@ck would care about the PS4 and NextBox if the next Smash Bros. released? I know I wouldn't. RyanShazam

People who don't care about Nintendos 30 year old cartoon lineup.

#12 Posted by Dj-CrunkyTIGER (14 posts) -
[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Hear me out, okay?

Nintendo has roughly three massive cross demographical system sellers: Mario, Mario Kart, and Super Smash Bros. (If we count Pokemon, then it's four, but Pokemon is handheld only, and we are talking about the Wii U, so it's a moot point).

Now, let's examine the context the Wii U will find itself in come Holiday 2013:

It shall be coming off of a year of tepid to mediocre sales at best (since nothing announced on the horizon pre Fall would move systems in the slightest). The Playstation 4 and the new Xbox will be releasing, offering a true generational leap, which means Nintendo will need to get aggressive and counter fast. They could theoretically drop the price, but as their experience with the 3DS has demonstrated, just dropping the price does not stimulate (or sustain) sales; one needs to have the appropriate software to go with the reduced, more attractive price.


Which brings us to the games. As mentioned above, they have three cross demographical games: Mario, Mario Kart, and Super Smash Bros.

3D Mario sells systems, but it does not sell enough systems. It sells to the core audience more than the casual audience, and said core audience will probably be more than willing to forego playing the newest Mario for a while, just so they can get their hands on the shiny new Xbox and Playstation. The other Mario that does sell to casuals and cores, New Super Mario, has already released on the Wii U and failed to generate any kind of interest or response. Mario Kart has a slightly better outlook, except for one problem: Nintendo already played the Mario Kart card to sell the 3DS two years (at the time of Holiday 2013) ago. Casuals who just spent $170 plus another $40 to buy the latest Mario Kart then won't be willing to go spend another $250 (presuming the new price of the Deluxe model) plus $60 just to play another Mario Kart, when they might as well just play the DS, Wii, or 3DS games. For core gamers who like Mario Kart, again, it won't be enough by itself to sway them to cough up for a Wii U when they can buy a shiny new Xbox or Playstation instead. This brings us to the final game on that list: Super Smash Bros. The last game will have been out for nearly six years by Holiday 2013, meaning no risk of franchise saturation there. The Wii U version will probably get top billing over the 3DS version (especially since the 3DS will take care of itself with the Pokemon release), meaning everyone who wants to play it will want to buy a Wii U. Super Smash Bros. does sell systems, and it sells systems to both, the casuals and the core gamers. Many core gamers might decide to buy a Wii U for Super Smash Bros. (plus the existing library; along with the fact that the launch kinks will have been worked out by then), because SSB is the one game that will sway them over a new Xbox or Playstation. Casuals will simply go after the game they want to play the most, and that game will be Super Smash Bros.


To lend credence to my theory is the fact that Nintendo has enlisted the help of Namco Bandai to help with Super Smash Bros. 4, which means that they have clearly fast tracked the development. You can quote me on this if you like, but Nintendo's marquee Holiday 2013 game will be SSB4.

Incorrect, it would be a bad time to launch. SSBB took a few years to reach the 8 or so million point, which was helped by wii sports crowd, which does not exist on this system, due to random sales slumps. SSB melee needed pretty much the entire GC lifespan to reach its number, but it did sell a fe systems good. SSB64 did not sell systems. Not to mention that Nintendo still needs to up the 3DS in the U.S. and Eu. So you are assuming that SSB4 will release at a time the Wii U is not moving a decent number of sale units? Why would they do that? They won't take the risk.
#13 Posted by Miroku32 (8666 posts) -
[QUOTE="Miroku32"]Charizard, you are great dude but could you chill out a bit? Too many Nintendo threads on SWs right now. charizard1605
There needs to be some positivity amidst all the negativity, no?

Yeah but trying to argue with stupid cows isn't... pointless? They will continue posting stupid things anyways.
#14 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]This would be the greatest news ever! Who the f@ck would care about the PS4 and NextBox if the next Smash Bros. released? I know I wouldn't. NathanDrakeSwag

People who don't care about Nintendos 30 year old cartoon lineup.

Ga back to playing your inferior Playstation All Stars. This is a thread for people who like good games.
#15 Posted by Dj-CrunkyTIGER (14 posts) -
This would be the greatest news ever! Who the f@ck would care about the PS4 and NextBox if the next Smash Bros. released? I know I wouldn't. RyanShazam
You would be in the minority like the Melee corwd before.
#16 Posted by mariokart64fan (19522 posts) -

Source? oh just another sheep dreaming about having games :lol:

NathanDrakeSwag

wiiu already has games busted

need for speed

zombi u 

nsmbu

nintendoland

sing party

me3

ac 3 and 4 coming

monsterhunter

lego city undercover

walking dead  survival instinct

007 legends 

cod bo 2

darksiders 2

batman ac

sonic all star racing

  plus has - all the eshop games ,  as a fortunate owner of all of the eshop titles available  all of them were pretty fun

   and its got alot of more games on the way ,  

resident evil revelations

ac4

pikmin 3

project cars

aliens  colonial marines

yarn yoshi

game and wario

wii party u

2 zelda games

ssb4

3d mario title

mario kart 8

wii fit u

watch dogs

ghost recon

rayman legends

no games huh? slap slap slap slap   

#17 Posted by Kaszilla (1718 posts) -
[QUOTE="Miroku32"]Charizard, you are great dude but could you chill out a bit? Too many Nintendo threads on SWs right now. charizard1605
There needs to be some positivity amidst all the negativity, no?

This is negative bcuz when SSB4 doesnt release, it'll leave ppl broken hearted.
#18 Posted by GD1551 (9155 posts) -

All that speculation when the reality of the situation is, Wii U owners are only playing this..

The-Waiting-Game.jpg

#19 Posted by Dj-CrunkyTIGER (14 posts) -
[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Source? oh just another sheep dreaming about having games :lol:

wiiu already has games busted

need for speed

zombi u 

nsmbu

nintendoland

sing party

me3

ac 3 and 4 coming

monsterhunter

lego city undercover

walking dead  survival instinct

007 legends 

cod bo 2

darksiders 2

batman ac

sonic all star racing

  plus has - all the eshop games ,  as a fortunate owner of all of the eshop titles available  all of them were pretty fun

   and its got alot of more games on the way ,  

resident evil revelations

ac4

pikmin 3

project cars

aliens  colonial marines

yarn yoshi

game and wario

wii party u

2 zelda games

ssb4

3d mario title

mario kart 8

wii fit u

watch dogs

ghost recon

rayman legends

no games huh? slap slap slap slap   

80% of which are avaialble or will be multiplat on a better system with more options coming up around the same price as the Wii U or not far off. Nothing there to actually make someone run and buy the system.
#20 Posted by Agent-Tojed (162 posts) -

Brawl took 3 years to make on the WII. The Wii U has been out for 5 months. It's not coming out this year unless Nintendo wants a half baked cash-in.

#21 Posted by senses_fail_06 (6736 posts) -

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#22 Posted by Capitan_Kid (6584 posts) -
Goddammit TC. NO FVCKING MISLEADING TITLES
#23 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -

Brawl took 3 years to make on the WII. The Wii U has been out for 5 months. It's not coming out this year unless Nintendo wants a half baked cash-in.

Agent-Tojed
Brawl had an 18 month development cycle, and was developed by Nintendo entirely all by itself. 4 will be an HD game that Nintendo is making with Namco Bandai, and it has been in development since last January. So...
#24 Posted by finalstar2007 (25300 posts) -

Ur title made it sound as if it has been confirmed.. charz u should know better not to post dreams as something confirmed but who to blame you wiiU pretty bad :P

#25 Posted by darkspineslayer (19800 posts) -
[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]This would be the greatest news ever! Who the f@ck would care about the PS4 and NextBox if the next Smash Bros. released? I know I wouldn't. RyanShazam

People who don't care about Nintendos 30 year old cartoon lineup.

Ga back to playing your inferior Playstation All Stars. This is a thread for people who like good games.

Stop paying attention to Swaggy. He'll starve for attention and his swag will shrivel and die, putting an end to him. Anyways, I think we would have seen something by now. Even just a trailer in Nintendo Direct, if it was in any sort of state to show.
#26 Posted by Heil68 (45224 posts) -
That would be awesome, I just hope it's not "rushed" and hold the standard of the franchise and I hope to god they got the online figured out.
#27 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -
[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

People who don't care about Nintendos 30 year old cartoon lineup.

darkspineslayer
Ga back to playing your inferior Playstation All Stars. This is a thread for people who like good games.

Stop paying attention to Swaggy. He'll starve for attention and his swag will shrivel and die, putting an end to him. Anyways, I think we would have seen something by now. Even just a trailer in Nintendo Direct, if it was in any sort of state to show.

Nintendo stopped showing off games until they were just a few months from release, remember? Literally the only exceptions to this are Zelda games, and the Wii U 'launch window' games.
#28 Posted by darkspineslayer (19800 posts) -
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"] Ga back to playing your inferior Playstation All Stars. This is a thread for people who like good games.

Stop paying attention to Swaggy. He'll starve for attention and his swag will shrivel and die, putting an end to him. Anyways, I think we would have seen something by now. Even just a trailer in Nintendo Direct, if it was in any sort of state to show.

Nintendo stopped showing off games until they were just a few months from release, remember? Literally the only exceptions to this are Zelda games, and the Wii U 'launch window' games.

Pokemon X/Y was shown in January wasn't it? Out in October. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but if we don't have a demo at E3, than I seriously doubt it will come this year.
#29 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -
[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"] Stop paying attention to Swaggy. He'll starve for attention and his swag will shrivel and die, putting an end to him. Anyways, I think we would have seen something by now. Even just a trailer in Nintendo Direct, if it was in any sort of state to show.

Nintendo stopped showing off games until they were just a few months from release, remember? Literally the only exceptions to this are Zelda games, and the Wii U 'launch window' games.

Pokemon X/Y was shown in January wasn't it? Out in October. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but if we don't have a demo at E3, than I seriously doubt it will come this year.

If we don't have a demo at E3, I'll concede defeat :P
#30 Posted by darkspineslayer (19800 posts) -
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Nintendo stopped showing off games until they were just a few months from release, remember? Literally the only exceptions to this are Zelda games, and the Wii U 'launch window' games.

Pokemon X/Y was shown in January wasn't it? Out in October. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but if we don't have a demo at E3, than I seriously doubt it will come this year.

If we don't have a demo at E3, I'll concede defeat :P

I really hope we get the Smash Bros Dojo daily updates again. Those had me so hyped. Would be a shame if Nintendo skipped the hype train this time.
#31 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -
[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]Pokemon X/Y was shown in January wasn't it? Out in October. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but if we don't have a demo at E3, than I seriously doubt it will come this year.

If we don't have a demo at E3, I'll concede defeat :P

I really hope we get the Smash Bros Dojo daily updates again. Those had me so hyped. Would be a shame if Nintendo skipped the hype train this time.

We probably won't have as many, because Nintendo likes keeping secrets in its games now. Then again, they probably want as much hype for this game as possible, so maybe they will make an exception this time.
#32 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -
The 3DS game is rumored to be holiday 2013, right?
#33 Posted by timbers_WSU (5753 posts) -

The PS4 and New Box comes out this year.

So no one cares about anything Wii U related except the most loyal Sheep. Not trying to be mean but it is true.

#34 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -
The 3DS game is rumored to be holiday 2013, right?RyanShazam
Nintendo PR listed it as a 2013 game
#35 Posted by Candy-Star (4378 posts) -
This would be the greatest news ever! Who the f@ck would care about the PS4 and NextBox if the next Smash Bros. released? I know I wouldn't. RyanShazam
You sig makes me feel weird
#36 Posted by sonic_spark (4659 posts) -

I so badly want you to be right.

#37 Posted by youngmurk911 (3863 posts) -

Source? oh just another sheep dreaming about having games :lol:

NathanDrakeSwag
^^this^^
#38 Posted by Xaero_Gravity (8777 posts) -
This would be the greatest news ever! Who the f@ck would care about the PS4 and NextBox if the next Smash Bros. released? I know I wouldn't. RyanShazam
Umm, me. o:
#39 Posted by platniumgamer (4087 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]This would be the greatest news ever! Who the f@ck would care about the PS4 and NextBox if the next Smash Bros. released? I know I wouldn't. Xaero_Gravity
Umm, me. o:

Me too.

#40 Posted by Xaero_Gravity (8777 posts) -

[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]This would be the greatest news ever! Who the f@ck would care about the PS4 and NextBox if the next Smash Bros. released? I know I wouldn't. platniumgamer

Umm, me. o:

Me too.

You're perfect in every way.
#41 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -
[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]The 3DS game is rumored to be holiday 2013, right?charizard1605
Nintendo PR listed it as a 2013 game

I hope they do a same day release :)
#42 Posted by charizard1605 (58272 posts) -
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]The 3DS game is rumored to be holiday 2013, right?RyanShazam
Nintendo PR listed it as a 2013 game

I hope they do a same day release :)

Bad, bad, bad idea. The 3DS doesn't need much help anymore. The Wii U does.
#43 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Nintendo PR listed it as a 2013 game

I hope they do a same day release :)

Bad, bad, bad idea. The 3DS doesn't need much help anymore. The Wii U does.

They can push 3DS/WiiU compatibility.
#44 Posted by darkspineslayer (19800 posts) -
[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"] I hope they do a same day release :)

Bad, bad, bad idea. The 3DS doesn't need much help anymore. The Wii U does.

They can push 3DS/WiiU compatibility.

Isn't that the whole idea? I'm fairly sure it will be a same day launch unless something goes terribly wrong.
#46 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -

So, you want us to believe that a game we haven't seen, and was recently announced(january) that we would only get screenshots of it at E3 will magically be ready for a fall release.

 

"Smash Bros is a huge development undertaking and we need more time before it launches." Mr Sakurai told us that we have set the timing for the first screens at this years E3. Please wait for just a little longer.

Doesn't sound like a 2013 release to me. Pikmin 3 being delayed to have a fall 2013 release is more realistic at this point with wind waker port releasing in spring 2014.

#47 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -
[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Bad, bad, bad idea. The 3DS doesn't need much help anymore. The Wii U does.

They can push 3DS/WiiU compatibility.

Isn't that the whole idea? I'm fairly sure it will be a same day launch unless something goes terribly wrong.

That's what I thought. I'm pretty sure they will be different games which may warrant separate releases?
#48 Posted by Big_Pecks (5359 posts) -

I don't think it will make it. Delays loom.

#49 Posted by bonesawisready5 (4713 posts) -

Super Smash Bros 3D might release this Holiday. But 4 on Wii U will not.

Nintendo will have Super Mario 3D and Mario Kart 8 playable at E3 so there is literally no chance of Smash on Wii U in 2013. If anything they will release Mario 3D in Novemebr and MK8 in December like 3DS got in 2011

#50 Posted by bonesawisready5 (4713 posts) -

So, you want us to believe that a game we haven't seen, and was recently announced(january) that we would only get screenshots of it at E3 will magically be ready for a fall release.

 

"Smash Bros is a huge development undertaking and we need more time before it launches." Mr Sakurai told us that we have set the timing for the first screens at this years E3. Please wait for just a little longer.

Doesn't sound like a 2013 release to me. Pikmin 3 being delayed to have a fall 2013 release is more realistic at this point with wind waker port releasing in spring 2014.

MFDOOM1983

Smash Bros was announced at E3 2012 I think and Sakurai has been saying he's been working on it since Kid Icarus wrapped around early 2012. That said, I'm sure the 3DS version is finishing first