Substantial Next gen jump confirmed- EPIC Games

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#1 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1977 posts) -

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1807753/nextgen_will_be_a_substantial_leap_over_the_current_generation_says_epic.html

Don't know why posters here thought different. Sony and MS wouldn't bother releasing new consoles if it wasn't a huge difference. One week away from greatness.:cool:

#2 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8459 posts) -
We saw substantial difference between the original xbox and 360 which had a 4 year gap. I'd expect an even larger difference with a 8 year gap.
#3 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38219 posts) -

I hope so. But you know what's sad, when he says high end PCs are already there. I am looking forward to seeing what the next consoles bring, devs are usually able to squeeze more out of the hardware on consoles than they can on PC due to the nature of them, so I am expecting a lot.

But this article also smells like promoting their own engine a bit too much instead of just talking about the consoles

#4 Posted by Badosh (12741 posts) -
MS will bring the heat, Sony though, lol. Not at all.
#5 Posted by 720OwnsPS4 (132 posts) -

Poor Nintendo fans.

#6 Posted by -Unreal- (24557 posts) -

So I expect at least 1920x1080 render resolution and things like 16xAF, 8xAA (or high quality AA), soft dynamic shadows on everything in a scene, particle lighting, particle motion blur, per object motion blur, tesselation, volumetric fog, fog shadows, advanced HDR and more...

...all in one scene in one game.

Oh yeah and 60 FPS or thereabouts. Get rid of this 30 FPS crap.

#7 Posted by faizan_faizan (7868 posts) -
What does he mean by substantial? Big? Small?
#8 Posted by -Unreal- (24557 posts) -

What does he mean by substantial? Big? Small?faizan_faizan

Substantial means a large amount. So big difference.

#9 Posted by Speedzilla (1732 posts) -

MS will bring the heat, Sony though, lol. Not at all. Badosh

lolololol shut up.

#10 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38219 posts) -

What does he mean by substantial? Big? Small?faizan_faizan

Substantial means large

#11 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16239 posts) -

I hope epic has a quality jump to go hand in hand.

another gen of nothing but gears of war would be total dog sh*t.

#12 Posted by faizan_faizan (7868 posts) -

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]What does he mean by substantial? Big? Small?seanmcloughlin

Substantial means large

Alright, Thanks.
#13 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38219 posts) -

So I expect at least 1920x1080 render resolution and things like 16xAF, 8xAA (or high quality AA), soft dynamic shadows on everything in a scene, particle lighting, particle motion blur, per object motion blur, tesselation, volumetric fog, fog shadows, advanced HDR and more...

...all in one scene in one game.

Oh yeah and 60 FPS or thereabouts. Get rid of this 30 FPS crap.

-Unreal-

Basically PC stuff. And I expect the same, 1080p has to be standard, most if not all games should be very close to 60 fps too and no more damn jaggies. We also need to see a lot more dynamic lighting and no pre-baked crap. And lastly, some decent textures. 

#14 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38219 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]What does he mean by substantial? Big? Small?faizan_faizan

Substantial means large

Alright, Thanks.

Not a problem ;)

#15 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8459 posts) -

I hope epic has a quality jump to go hand in hand.

another gen of nothing but gears of war would be total dog sh*t.

ReadingRainbow4
Indeed. Who wants another AAA series?
#16 Posted by faizan_faizan (7868 posts) -

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

Substantial means a large amount. So big difference.

-Unreal-

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]What does he mean by substantial? Big? Small?seanmcloughlin

Substantial means large

Thanks.
#17 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16239 posts) -

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I hope epic has a quality jump to go hand in hand.

another gen of nothing but gears of war would be total dog sh*t.

MFDOOM1983

Indeed. Who wants another AAA series?

I'd like them to shake the idea of the forced cover shooter. Gears is by far the most boring and stale series i've played this gen.

#18 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8459 posts) -

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I hope epic has a quality jump to go hand in hand.

another gen of nothing but gears of war would be total dog sh*t.

ReadingRainbow4

Indeed. Who wants another AAA series?

I'd like them to shake the idea of the forced cover shooter. Gears is by far the most boring series i've played this gen.

Different strokes...
#19 Posted by bobbetybob (19297 posts) -
This is my prediction: If you play on PC now and max games out, next gen the leap won't seem that big. If you're playing on an Xbox or PS3 next gen is going to look like a big difference, but not to in the same way the PS2 to PS3 jump was. Clarity is the name of the game next gen (well if 1080p becomes standard which it absolutely needs to) with textures that actually look like things and aren't just blurry blobs of brown and green.
#20 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16239 posts) -

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Indeed. Who wants another AAA series?MFDOOM1983

I'd like them to shake the idea of the forced cover shooter. Gears is by far the most boring series i've played this gen.

Different strokes...

I just prefer a proper handjob is all :P

#21 Posted by burgeg (3599 posts) -

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I hope epic has a quality jump to go hand in hand.

another gen of nothing but gears of war would be total dog sh*t.

ReadingRainbow4

Indeed. Who wants another AAA series?

I'd like them to shake the idea of the forced cover shooter. Gears is by far the most boring and stale series i've played this gen.

Did you play Bulletstorm? Definitely the best thing Epic have done this gen. Way better than Gears. The skillshot system owned.

#22 Posted by faizan_faizan (7868 posts) -
[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]This is my prediction: If you play on PC now and max games out, next gen the leap won't seem that big.

Indeed this is quite true.
#23 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16239 posts) -

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Indeed. Who wants another AAA series?burgeg

I'd like them to shake the idea of the forced cover shooter. Gears is by far the most boring and stale series i've played this gen.

Did you play Bulletstorm? Definitely the best thing Epic have done this gen. Way better than Gears. The skillshot system owned.

eh, it was fair.

I was mainly referring to their major new IP, which of course from this gen was gears.

#24 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38219 posts) -

This is my prediction: If you play on PC now and max games out, next gen the leap won't seem that big..bobbetybob

This post pretty much nails it. 

From PC to consoles won't seem like much, you would likely play it and say "What's the big deal?" from a visual standpoint

But from current consoles to the next will be quite large. Like going from a PS360 to a full kitted out PC now. Higher resolutions with crystal clear images and textures and framerates to make everything seem a lot more fluid

#25 Posted by JohnF111 (14122 posts) -

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1807753/nextgen_will_be_a_substantial_leap_over_the_current_generation_says_epic.html

Don't know why posters here thought different. Sony and MS wouldn't bother releasing new consoles if it wasn't a huge difference. One week away from greatness.:cool:

NineTailedGoku
People here thought different because multiple "sources" said so. I only really want decent visuals at 1080p, no more sub-hd with post processing nonsense to hide the jaggies and bad textures
#26 Posted by -Unreal- (24557 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]What does he mean by substantial? Big? Small?faizan_faizan

Substantial means a large amount. So big difference.

Alright, Thanks.

Np

#27 Posted by GarGx1 (3391 posts) -

A substantial jump in games has never been in question. Going from 7 year old tech, which is currently roughly 10 x weaker than high end PC's (maybe more) the question is just how much of a substantial jump that is going to be.

A gain of 5x the power of a 360 or PS3 would be a massive improvement

#28 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16239 posts) -

I'm even more excited what this will mean for PC games. seeing how a large majority of all current pc games are multiplat.

#29 Posted by way2funny (4570 posts) -

So I expect at least 1920x1080 render resolution and things like 16xAF, 8xAA (or high quality AA), soft dynamic shadows on everything in a scene, particle lighting, particle motion blur, per object motion blur, tesselation, volumetric fog, fog shadows, advanced HDR and more...

...all in one scene in one game.

Oh yeah and 60 FPS or thereabouts. Get rid of this 30 FPS crap.

-Unreal-

If they bump current games to true 1080p with AA and 60fps, there will be no more power to do anything else.

#30 Posted by k2theswiss (16599 posts) -

sony/ MS wouldn't bother making new console if there wasn't?

 

umm you should look up the facts that no big publishers want to sink big amounts of money into new ips because the consoles been out for long, games sales are down, list goes on...

#31 Posted by -Unreal- (24557 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

So I expect at least 1920x1080 render resolution and things like 16xAF, 8xAA (or high quality AA), soft dynamic shadows on everything in a scene, particle lighting, particle motion blur, per object motion blur, tesselation, volumetric fog, fog shadows, advanced HDR and more...

...all in one scene in one game.

Oh yeah and 60 FPS or thereabouts. Get rid of this 30 FPS crap.

way2funny

If they bump current games to true 1080p with AA and 60fps, there will be no more power to do anything else.

Well that depends on how "high end" they're going. I am very skeptical about that quote by Epic saying "high end". I seriously doubt AMD or nVidia have managed to fit the power of something like a GTX 690 or even a 670 into something that fits inside a console-sized chasis and remains cool. These things need to stay stable and cool for years too. Just look at the current consoles. Lots of overheating issues with those.

#32 Posted by 04dcarraher (20581 posts) -

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

So I expect at least 1920x1080 render resolution and things like 16xAF, 8xAA (or high quality AA), soft dynamic shadows on everything in a scene, particle lighting, particle motion blur, per object motion blur, tesselation, volumetric fog, fog shadows, advanced HDR and more...

...all in one scene in one game.

Oh yeah and 60 FPS or thereabouts. Get rid of this 30 FPS crap.

-Unreal-

If they bump current games to true 1080p with AA and 60fps, there will be no more power to do anything else.

Well that depends on how "high end" they're going. I am very skeptical about that quote by Epic saying "high end". I seriously doubt AMD or nVidia have managed to fit the power of something like a GTX 690 or even a 670 into something that fits inside a console-sized chasis and remains cool. These things need to stay stable and cool for years too. Just look at the current consoles. Lots of overheating issues with those.

28nm is the main standard now in gpu tech and to have a gpu as fast as another gpu you need virtually the same amount of transistors which means at then same manufacturing process it will have virtually the same power requirements. Your not going to see 130+ TDP based gpus in the next consoles like 7870 or better.

#33 Posted by slipknot0129 (5520 posts) -

Crysis 3 is where im starting to see a next gen look in pc games. Aint nothing touches Crysis 3 in graphics. But thats comparable to the 4 year gen leap of Xbox to Xbox 360. So this 8 year jump in graphics Xbox 720 will have, will definetly blow Crysis 3 out of the water. 360 to 720 will be like N64 to 360. 

#34 Posted by Dark_man123 (3836 posts) -

unless if it close to the level of avatar in real-time than I dont think there's anything that might impress me.

#35 Posted by 04dcarraher (20581 posts) -

Crysis 3 is where im starting to see a next gen look in pc games. Aint nothing touches Crysis 3 in graphics. But thats comparable to the 4 year gen leap of Xbox to Xbox 360. So this 8 year jump in graphics Xbox 720 will have, will definetly blow Crysis 3 out of the water. 360 to 720 will be like N64 to 360. 

slipknot0129
If the rumored specs are true about the 720 having a a gpu with 1.2 TFLOP and 68GB/s memory performance that isnt going to happen, since the gpu is not any faster then a mid ranged gpu from 2011.
#36 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (28565 posts) -
So consoles basically catching up to PC's, I don't think anyone thought that was unrealistic at all. The rumour where the guy said the jump would be like going from Halo2 to Crysis maxed. That's a different story.
#37 Posted by -RocBoys9489- (6285 posts) -
60FPS or GTFO consoles
#38 Posted by HaloinventedFPS (4736 posts) -

Yeah, anyone remember when Epic Games was running a PC tech demo at Sony's E3 in 05 & claiming it was on PS3? nothing but lies

People forget too easy, wait til the consoles actually come out

#39 Posted by fernandmondego_ (3170 posts) -

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1807753/nextgen_will_be_a_substantial_leap_over_the_current_generation_says_epic.html

Don't know why posters here thought different. Sony and MS wouldn't bother releasing new consoles if it wasn't a huge difference. One week away from greatness.:cool:

NineTailedGoku
bu... bu.. but there's no way they will be a lot better, they are only going to be slightly and barely noticeably more powerful. - Sheep
#41 Posted by fernandmondego_ (3170 posts) -

Poor Nintendo fans.

720OwnsPS4
You take that back :cry:- Sheep
#42 Posted by Heil68 (47238 posts) -
So the God Station 4 will be godly? awwwa yeahhhhh.
#43 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1977 posts) -

So the God Station 4 will be godly? awwwa yeahhhhh.Heil68

As always :D

#44 Posted by Micropixel (973 posts) -

[QUOTE="720OwnsPS4"]

Poor Nintendo fans.

fernandmondego_

You take that back :cry:- Sheep

 

Wii U can run Unreal 4 Engine.

Wii U can also run Cry Engine 3.

 

Not a sheep. Just pointing out that it can do the same thing.

#45 Posted by Kinthalis (5340 posts) -

All you need to know is in the first sentence of the article:

 

"Next generation consoles, or high-end platforms, will offer a gamers a substantial leap over the current generation according to Epic founder Tim Sweeney."



Guess what he means with "high end platforms".  

 

Spoiler: PC.

#46 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16239 posts) -

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="720OwnsPS4"]

Poor Nintendo fans.

Micropixel

You take that back :cry:- Sheep

Wii U can run Unreal 4 Engine.

Wii U can also run Cry Engine 3.

Not a sheep. Just pointing out that it can do the same thing.

Doing it well is another question entirely.

There's no denying the wiiu is in for another significant power difference.

#47 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7877 posts) -
[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I hope epic has a quality jump to go hand in hand.

another gen of nothing but gears of war would be total dog sh*t.

MFDOOM1983
Indeed. Who wants another AAA series?

I liked Gears, but a new Unreal Tournament (that's actually good) would be nice.
#48 Posted by fernandmondego_ (3170 posts) -

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="720OwnsPS4"]

Poor Nintendo fans.

Micropixel

You take that back :cry:- Sheep

 

Wii U can run Unreal 4 Engine.

Wii U can also run Cry Engine 3.

 

Not a sheep. Just pointing out that it can do the same thing.

Cause it's scalable but it wouldn't be the full blown engine. "We'll run on mobile phones and on a wide variety of things, so if a customer decides they want to port an Unreal Engine 4 game to Wii U, they could,".
#49 Posted by Micropixel (973 posts) -

[QUOTE="Micropixel"]

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]You take that back :cry:- SheepReadingRainbow4

 

Wii U can run Unreal 4 Engine.

Wii U can also run Cry Engine 3.

 

Not a sheep. Just pointing out that it can do the same thing.

Doing it well is another question entirely.

There's no denying the wiiu is in for another significant power difference.

 

Did you read them? Here's a quote from CryTek themselves: Crytek: "CryEngine 3 'Beautiful' on Wii U"

So I'm going to assume coming them that it's running more than "well".

#50 Posted by Micropixel (973 posts) -

[QUOTE="Micropixel"]

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]You take that back :cry:- Sheepfernandmondego_

 

Wii U can run Unreal 4 Engine.

Wii U can also run Cry Engine 3.

 

Not a sheep. Just pointing out that it can do the same thing.

Cause it's scalable but it wouldn't be the full blown engine. "We'll run on mobile phones and on a wide variety of things, so if a customer decides they want to port an Unreal Engine 4 game to Wii U, they could,".

 

You guys like to use the "scalable" excuse alot, don't you?