Steam Streaming = Death of the console?

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#1 Edited by clyde46 (46793 posts) -

http://time.com/107836/steam-in-home-streaming-now-available-lets-you-play-pc-games-on-virtually-any-computer/

Steam allows you to stream PC games over your home network, trumping Nvidia's Shield offering by not limiting it to Nvidia 600 series. Will this be another pipe dream for Valve or will this toll the bell on the home console?

#3 Edited by jake44 (2024 posts) -

No.

#4 Posted by TLHBO (8318 posts) -

No, there will always be fanboys too proud to leave their system behind no matter how superior the experience is on PC.

#5 Posted by jhonMalcovich (4937 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

Pipe dream in the sense that it won't be something that the mainstream will adopt (at least anytime soon).

It´s already adopted. It´s just a software.

#7 Edited by AmazonAngry (945 posts) -

So you can stream indies? Uh..yay.

Console exclusives = consoles live on with pc in its shadow.

God, pc gaming is such shit filth.

#8 Edited by jhonMalcovich (4937 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

@Desmonic said:

Pipe dream in the sense that it won't be something that the mainstream will adopt (at least anytime soon).

It´s already adopted. It´s just a software.

lol

What an intelligent response.

#10 Posted by jhonMalcovich (4937 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

What an intelligent response.

If you can't see why this won't catch the mainstream I don't know what to tell you besides: lol.

Do you even know Steam homestreaming works ?

#12 Posted by DEadliNE-Zero0 (3330 posts) -

Why would this kill consoles? It's like Steamboxes killing the. Maybe one day, but teh Xbox and PS are stablished consoles at this point. It will take a long time before most start moving away.

#13 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (14523 posts) -

Why do people keep trying to make things seem bigger than they actually are ?

#14 Edited by jhonMalcovich (4937 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

@Desmonic said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

What an intelligent response.

If you can't see why this won't catch the mainstream I don't know what to tell you besides: lol.

Do you even know Steam homestreaming works ?

Precisely because I know how it works. It'll do wonders for some, don't get me wrong, but the chances of it becoming a mainstream success are slim.

Let me see...

1. You have 2 up-to-date Steam clients running on 2 PCs connected to the same Wi-fi network.

2. So after you start a game on one PC, when you click to install the same game on the other PC, the install option is replaced with stream. And it works on Windows, Mac and Linux.

And it doesn´t require the installation of any addition software. It´s already incorporated into your steam with the latest update. It´s just there to take if you want. The option that will keep existing if you don´t even want it.

It basically turn your not gaming laptops, MacBooks, netbooks, etc, into gaming hd laptops/consoles.

I just don´t see how this wouldn´t work.

It´s definitely a better option than Vita or WiiU streaming.

#15 Edited by jhonMalcovich (4937 posts) -

It won´t kill consoles for one reason. Steam Homestreaming requires to have one good gaming PC, and the problem with consolites is that they refuse to buy a gaming PC opting for crap such as PC4 and X1, therefore they are not able to stream from their ancient Windows XP PCs.

#16 Posted by Cloud_imperium (4256 posts) -

It is not death of consoles but it is great feature . However , there are other things that can become a threat for consoles and can affect them in some way .

#17 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (5482 posts) -

ermm nope. i dont want to steam, thats just a awful and clunky solution, i dont see the point of it. what steam should be doing is something like psnow

#18 Posted by farrell2k (6675 posts) -

Streaming is definitely the end of consoles. Sony has even commented on streaming taking over. It'll happen, and we will all be better off for it. No more wasting hundreds on consoles.

#19 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38217 posts) -

Why would that kill consoles? You can Steam Stream all day long but it still doesn't get you the likes of TLOU, GTA V, RDR, Demon's Souls, Infamous SS, Uncharted etc.

#20 Posted by thehig1 (2588 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

Why would that kill consoles? You can Steam Stream all day long but it still doesn't get you the likes of TLOU, GTA V, RDR, Demon's Souls, Infamous SS, Uncharted etc.

GTA 5 is not out on ps4 or X1 either.

#21 Edited by Ballroompirate (23279 posts) -

Streaming isn't as "amazing" as it was a year or two ago when it was at it's prime. Seriously why the frak would I watch someone play a video game...it takes the whole point away unless you're watching a guide or something.

#22 Edited by Phazevariance (10989 posts) -

@jhonMalcovich: I'm using or at home now to stream games at full 1080p from my PC in the basement to my weak laptop connected to my TV. I've been waiting for something like this for ages and here it is working perfectly with full graphics fidelity. The picture quality is perfect and the response time is spot on.

Any cross platform games are now going to live on my PC. My consoles are now only "exclusive" machines.

#23 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38217 posts) -

@thehig1 said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Why would that kill consoles? You can Steam Stream all day long but it still doesn't get you the likes of TLOU, GTA V, RDR, Demon's Souls, Infamous SS, Uncharted etc.

GTA 5 is not out on ps4 or X1 either.

Infamous is the only one on that list that IS on either of those consoles, what's your point? Doesn't change the point I was making that you still miss out on good games no matter how good the Streaming feature is

#24 Edited by AmazonAngry (945 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin: pc fanboys just can't wrap their head around the notion that console gamers can, and often do, keep their previous gen console when moving into the new.

#25 Posted by thehig1 (2588 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@thehig1 said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Why would that kill consoles? You can Steam Stream all day long but it still doesn't get you the likes of TLOU, GTA V, RDR, Demon's Souls, Infamous SS, Uncharted etc.

GTA 5 is not out on ps4 or X1 either.

Infamous is the only one on that list that IS on either of those consoles, what's your point? Doesn't change the point I was making that you still miss out on good games no matter how good the Streaming feature is

My point is that your including GTA 5, when its likely to be due on PC with x1 and ps4 versions

#26 Posted by SapSacPrime (8886 posts) -

I'm not really interested in this, although it could be handy the next time I decide I want to play Civ 5 on the tv.

#27 Edited by flashn00b (2936 posts) -

Nope. Streaming is there to bandaid the fact that Valve wanted to make a Linux-based game console.

If Valve wants the average joe to get into PC gaming, they would've invested in launch titles, because the Linux library to me is an indication that they clearly aren't spending enough money on SteamOS.

I'd much rather they offer "premium" models with Windows 7 installed, but they're too fixated on Linux. Wake me up when Valve decides to pay Namco to bring Tales of Zestiria to PC/Linux.

#28 Posted by kraken2109 (13125 posts) -

@Ballroompirate said:

Streaming isn't as "amazing" as it was a year or two ago when it was at it's prime. Seriously why the frak would I watch someone play a video game...it takes the whole point away unless you're watching a guide or something.

I don't think you understand what this thread is about

#29 Edited by MonsieurX (30815 posts) -

@Ballroompirate said:

Streaming isn't as "amazing" as it was a year or two ago when it was at it's prime. Seriously why the frak would I watch someone play a video game...it takes the whole point away unless you're watching a guide or something.

Someone has no idea what is going on here

#31 Edited by Ballroompirate (23279 posts) -
@kraken2109 said:

@Ballroompirate said:

Streaming isn't as "amazing" as it was a year or two ago when it was at it's prime. Seriously why the frak would I watch someone play a video game...it takes the whole point away unless you're watching a guide or something.

I don't think you understand what this thread is about

Ah just read the article, thought it was streaming as in game streaming and not streaming games between computers in the same house.

#32 Edited by wis3boi (31582 posts) -

@Ballroompirate said:

Streaming isn't as "amazing" as it was a year or two ago when it was at it's prime. Seriously why the frak would I watch someone play a video game...it takes the whole point away unless you're watching a guide or something.

might help to learn what something is before complaining about it

#33 Posted by scottpsfan14 (5811 posts) -
@TLHBO said:

No, there will always be fanboys too proud to leave their system behind no matter how superior the experience is on PC.

Streaming is not a superior experience. It means things like AA will not matter anymore because it's basically a video feed.

#34 Posted by Ballroompirate (23279 posts) -

@wis3boi said:

@Ballroompirate said:

Streaming isn't as "amazing" as it was a year or two ago when it was at it's prime. Seriously why the frak would I watch someone play a video game...it takes the whole point away unless you're watching a guide or something.

might help to learn what something is before complaining about it

read the post above you might help.

#35 Edited by scottpsfan14 (5811 posts) -

I can't believe what i'm hearing from some of you! So what your saying is that you don't want real time graphics anymore? You just want a video stream of games with low latency? Fuck that.

#36 Edited by clyde46 (46793 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

Let me see...

1. You have 2 up-to-date Steam clients running on 2 PCs connected to the same Wi-fi network.

2. So after you start a game on one PC, when you click to install the same game on the other PC, the install option is replaced with stream. And it works on Windows, Mac and Linux.

And it doesn´t require the installation of any addition software. It´s already incorporated into your steam with the latest update. It´s just there to take if you want. The option that will keep existing if you don´t even want it.

It basically turn your not gaming laptops, MacBooks, netbooks, etc, into gaming hd laptops/consoles.

I just don´t see how this wouldn´t work.

It´s definitely a better option than Vita or WiiU streaming.

I know how it works. I already told you so.

What will stop this from grabbing the mainstream is the following(IMO):

1- It's built upon the premise of the user owning 1 very decent PC + another PC like device (or one compatible to receive the stream and all that it implies, like running Steam)

2- Even though it uses your own Wi-if, the average user has crappy Internet service still (unfortunately). So quality of service will vary wildly from house to house.

3- Couch gaming (which seems to be the best premise for the service) doesn't really work with with KB+M. Unless you get a controller (and this wouldn't really work with PC only games like RTS, MOBAS, and the like) or a proper stand for your couch, it's just not gonna work all that well.

4- Finally, those that are in the right conditions to enjoy this service at it's fullest, probably don't have much interest in it to begin with. Why stream when they can play on their good monitor (without risking losing any quality whatsoever)? Or why not just make a direct connection to the TV?

It's a nice idea, but I don't think it'll be something the mainstream will adopt. For me personally, it may come in handy a couple of times, but I'd rather just play as is.

1. You could use cheap laptop as the main lifting is done by the gaming machine in the office. All you need to do is to connect the laptop to the TV.

2. Nothing to do with internet, its using your local network.

3. True but now I can have the option of playing either in the office at my desk or in the living with the big TV without having to either cart my PC around from room to room whenever I want a change of scenery or having to spend money on building another big PC.

#38 Posted by uninspiredcup (9624 posts) -

Steam is primarily full of bad indie games that aren't finished. It's in a terrible state.

Consoles win.

#39 Edited by wis3boi (31582 posts) -

@Ballroompirate said:

@wis3boi said:

@Ballroompirate said:

Streaming isn't as "amazing" as it was a year or two ago when it was at it's prime. Seriously why the frak would I watch someone play a video game...it takes the whole point away unless you're watching a guide or something.

might help to learn what something is before complaining about it

read the post above you might help.

read the time difference and see i posted mine when you were typing yours too.

#40 Posted by MonsieurX (30815 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

Steam is primarily full of bad indie games that aren't finished. It's in a terrible state.

Consoles win.

lolno

#41 Edited by clyde46 (46793 posts) -

@Desmonic: Local streaming has nothing to do with your ISP. I don't need an ISP to have a local network.

#42 Edited by inb4uall (5806 posts) -

It's very finnicky I got towerfall ascension to work for example but not blacklight Retribution.

#43 Posted by BldgIrsh (2781 posts) -

@amazonangry said:

So you can stream indies? Uh..yay.

Console exclusives = consoles live on with pc in its shadow.

God, pc gaming is such shit filth. /sarcasm

FTFY

#45 Posted by clyde46 (46793 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@clyde46 said:

@Desmonic: Local streaming has nothing to do with your ISP. I don't need an ISP to have a local network.

True, you don't need any ISP or any sort of internet access to create a local network. But you're missing the point. The way they word it on their own website seems to imply that's not the "route" (dat pun) they're taking.

All they ever mention is your "Home Network". So they either:

A) Expect you, the user, to setup your own local network

or

B) By having the machines logged in at the same time (which is indeed a requirement) they'll "usurp" the network provided by your ISP to "create" a local network and connect the two machines. (thus, building upon the existing HAN type networks already in place in many, many homes.)

The latter seems more plausible to be honest. I could be completely wrong though, I can't find any actual specific intel on Valves page :S

I would imagine it would be the first option. Everyone has a "home network" if they have a router, all the machines connect to said router are connected, getting them to talk to each other is the next step. Setting up a home network is not hard, a quick Google search brings up tons of how to guides and videos to help even the most technological impaired user achieve it.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3629-RIAV-1617

It seems that Steam will auto find the other machine on the network.

#47 Posted by CrownKingArthur (5070 posts) -

well i've been planning on building a steambox for a while now.

it's good that i'll be able to play my windows games on it, should i choose to stream them. i doubt i will.

still though, a worthwhile feature on the PC platform.

#48 Posted by SakusEnvoy (4334 posts) -

Will it "kill" the console? Not a chance. The majority of Steam users will probably never use this feature.

What it potentially does, more importantly, is give PC gamers added flexibility on the ways in which they can play their games. It's been argued that you could just "simply" connect your gaming PC to a TV to get a couch playing experience. And while this is technically correct, most people who own a gaming desktop have heavy towers which are connected with a multitude of cords which make transportation to and from a separate TV room difficult and inconvenient.

It's a great first step towards giving PC gamers more options on where and how to play their games. It's definitely a cool idea, but it's certainly not for everyone. I doubt it'll sway someone who was considering a PS4. It won't affect sales of consoles in any meaningful way at all.

#49 Posted by Krelian-co (11636 posts) -

I think this is great now i can just connect my laptop to my big ass tv in the living room and play there.

#50 Posted by Bigboi500 (30295 posts) -

Console gamers like consoles for console games, so lol no.