Steam Machine >>> than so called "next gen" consoles.

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#1 Posted by BSC14 (3495 posts) -

I just can not understand why you would buy a new console when you can wait for a little bit and get a Steam Machine.

#2 Posted by clyde46 (43232 posts) -

A Steam machine that will run you about $1500? Fuck that.

#3 Posted by lostrib (30820 posts) -

What's the price? and the game library?

#4 Posted by BSC14 (3495 posts) -

@lostrib said:

What's the price? and the game library?

I think prices are still being determined and I'm sure it's going to be different depending on the maker. Everything in the STEAM library from my understanding.

#5 Edited by TheFadeForever (1614 posts) -

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

#6 Posted by bulby_g (973 posts) -

Meh, I'll just stick to a proper desktop PC and any console that takes my fancy.

#7 Edited by lostrib (30820 posts) -

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

alright, so still not worth it

#8 Posted by clyde46 (43232 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@TheFadeForever said:

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

alright, so still not worth it

Pretty much. Its a very expensive HTPC at the moment.

#9 Posted by BSC14 (3495 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@TheFadeForever said:

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

alright, so still not worth it

I'm not talking about replacing a decent gaming pc, I'm talking about picking between a Steam Machine and what people are calling "next gen" consoles.

#10 Edited by MBirdy88 (7016 posts) -

Steam Machine is pointless for us PC Gamers, but it might bring more peasants into nobility.

#11 Posted by clyde46 (43232 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@lostrib said:

@TheFadeForever said:

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

alright, so still not worth it

I'm not talking about replacing a decent gaming pc, I'm talking about picking between a Steam Machine and what people are calling "next gen" consoles.

Those "next gen" consoles have something called games....

#12 Posted by Heil68 (42443 posts) -

Can I play Red Dead Redemption, Halo, Uncharted, God Of War, Forza ect on these boxes?

#13 Posted by BSC14 (3495 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@BSC14 said:

@lostrib said:

@TheFadeForever said:

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

alright, so still not worth it

I'm not talking about replacing a decent gaming pc, I'm talking about picking between a Steam Machine and what people are calling "next gen" consoles.

Those "next gen" consoles have something called games....

My understanding is that the entire STEAM library will be available...am I wrong?

#14 Edited by clyde46 (43232 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@clyde46 said:

@BSC14 said:

@lostrib said:

@TheFadeForever said:

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

alright, so still not worth it

I'm not talking about replacing a decent gaming pc, I'm talking about picking between a Steam Machine and what people are calling "next gen" consoles.

Those "next gen" consoles have something called games....

My understanding is that the entire STEAM library will be available...am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong. There are very few games on Linux at the moment so you will need a Windows OS which makes it pointless. Much like this thread.

#15 Posted by Sophette (505 posts) -

One of the main reasons why people buy consoles is for exclusives that you can't play on PC, Steam Machines will do nothing to solve that problem as they still aren't consoles.

#16 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (3195 posts) -

No thanks, I'll just get a Wii U.

#17 Posted by BSC14 (3495 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@BSC14 said:

@clyde46 said:

@BSC14 said:

@lostrib said:

@TheFadeForever said:

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

alright, so still not worth it

I'm not talking about replacing a decent gaming pc, I'm talking about picking between a Steam Machine and what people are calling "next gen" consoles.

Those "next gen" consoles have something called games....

My understanding is that the entire STEAM library will be available...am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong. There are very few games on Linux at the moment so you will need a Windows OS which makes it pointless. Much like this thread.

Well if that's the case I stand corrected. No reason to be an asshat.

#18 Posted by TheFadeForever (1614 posts) -

@Sophette:

The point of the steam machine was to bring pc gaming into the living room into a smaller form factor.

#19 Edited by lostrib (30820 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@lostrib said:

@TheFadeForever said:

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

alright, so still not worth it

I'm not talking about replacing a decent gaming pc, I'm talking about picking between a Steam Machine and what people are calling "next gen" consoles.

right, those next gen consoles aren't worth it right now either.

#20 Edited by BSC14 (3495 posts) -

@Sophette:

The point of the steam machine was to bring pc gaming into the living room into a smaller form factor.

Yeah but I was under the impression that the entire steam library would be available....if that were the case it would easily be a better buy than consoles.

#21 Edited by MBirdy88 (7016 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@BSC14 said:

@lostrib said:

@TheFadeForever said:

@lostrib:

500 to 1300 dollars based on recent steam machine prices revealed by third party manufacturers iBuyPower and Digital Storm. The entire Linux library is playable with the steamOS while you have to buy the windows OS to play the rest that's not supported.

alright, so still not worth it

I'm not talking about replacing a decent gaming pc, I'm talking about picking between a Steam Machine and what people are calling "next gen" consoles.

Those "next gen" consoles have something called games....

Where? let me know when this happens

#22 Edited by flashn00b (2870 posts) -

I still say that Linux is the fatal flaw of the Steam Machines. Unless Valve can get GTAV, Destiny, and Tales of Zestiria onto SteamOS, you're much better off building your own PC to hook up onto the TV. Sure, Windows doesn't have the games i mentioned, but you'll have something to play other than Valve titles.

#23 Edited by blue_hazy_basic (27074 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:

Steam Machine is pointless for us PC Gamers, but it might bring more peasants into nobility.

We really should have a hermit scale.

Consolites = serfs

low end machines/steambox= Barons

midrange PCs= Counts

highend PC's= Dukes

hermit moderators = royalty

All seems legit to me

Our very own SW feudal system!

#24 Posted by PannicAtack (20837 posts) -

greater than greater than greater than than?

#25 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38110 posts) -

We really should have a hermit scale.

Consolites = peasantry

low end machines/steambox= Barons

midrange PCs= Counts

highend PC's= Dukes

hermit moderators = royalty

All seems legit to me

Some hermit moderator, did you even play half life?

Plus my rig>your rig. I should be higher up than you

#26 Posted by -Unreal- (24474 posts) -

The price is going to deter the console dumb dumbs and kiddies that are too impatient/lazy/stupid/misinformed to build their own systems.

#27 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (27074 posts) -

@blue_hazy_basic said:

We really should have a hermit scale.

Consolites = peasantry

low end machines/steambox= Barons

midrange PCs= Counts

highend PC's= Dukes

hermit moderators = royalty

All seems legit to me

Some hermit moderator, did you even play half life?

Plus my rig>your rig. I should be higher up than you

Half life has been sullied by putting it on consoles, how common.

Oh and

"Plus my rig>your rig. I should be higher up than you, YOUR MAJESTY"

And the answer is no, cos I can ban you. >:D

#28 Posted by Bishop1310 (872 posts) -

@bulby_g said:

Meh, I'll just stick to a proper desktop PC and any console that takes my fancy.

Might as well do this..if you're looking for a console experience hook up ur desktop to ur tv and get the steam controller.

#29 Edited by blue_hazy_basic (27074 posts) -

PS I've now hit 2008 Casey levels of power hunger! :P

#30 Posted by ni6htmare01 (832 posts) -

So can Steam play games like Next Halo, Uncharted 4, Infamous and other exclusive?

#31 Posted by PannicAtack (20837 posts) -

So can Steam play games like Next Halo, Uncharted 4, Infamous and other exclusive?

Yes.

#32 Posted by R4gn4r0k (15855 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

Can I play Red Dead Redemption, Halo, Uncharted, God Of War, Forza ect on these boxes?

Can you play Red Dead Redemption, Halo 1,2,3 ODST and 4, Uncharted 1,2,3, God of War 1,2,3, chains of olympus, ghost of sparta, ascension, Forza (you get the picture) on any next gen system ? :S

#33 Posted by lostrib (30820 posts) -

So can Steam play games like Next Halo, Uncharted 4, Infamous and other exclusive?

if it could then the games wouldn't be exclusive...

#34 Edited by R4gn4r0k (15855 posts) -

@ni6htmare01 said:

So can Steam play games like Next Halo, Uncharted 4, Infamous and other exclusive?

Yes.

Steam is omnipotent.

When I woke up this morning I saw that steam had played and finished Infamous Second Son.

#35 Posted by PannicAtack (20837 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k: What I mean is there are plenty of games like them available. For example, Uncharted is a fairly standard cover-based shooter. There's no real shortage of those on Steam.

#36 Posted by KingsofQueens (2113 posts) -

Just curious, if a Steam Machine does come out as a competition to the consoles, are the games downloaded for you to keep forever, or is the Machine strictly a Streaming Gaming only console? Because honestly, I was a little impress by that prototype controller shown a few months ago.

Forgive my ignorance, for I'm not a PC gamer nor am I familiar with Steam at all.

#37 Edited by GioVela2010 (4017 posts) -

I concur, r u getting one

#38 Edited by R4gn4r0k (15855 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k: What I mean is there are plenty of games like them available. For example, Uncharted is a fairly standard cover-based shooter. There's no real shortage of those on Steam.

Ah I see :p

Would be cool though, if steam could actually play games

#39 Edited by Wasdie (49232 posts) -

Even a $1500 steam machine can only play a small handful of games. Barely any games come out in OpenGL at launch.

#40 Edited by Heil68 (42443 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:

@Heil68 said:

Can I play Red Dead Redemption, Halo, Uncharted, God Of War, Forza ect on these boxes?

Can you play Red Dead Redemption, Halo 1,2,3 ODST and 4, Uncharted 1,2,3, God of War 1,2,3, chains of olympus, ghost of sparta, ascension, Forza (you get the picture) on any next gen system ? :S

You know what I meant. :|

But ok

Can you play Forza5, DR3, KI, Ryse, KZ SF, Knack, Resogun, Super Mario 3D. Peggle2, ec ect on this Steam box?

#41 Posted by R4gn4r0k (15855 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

Can you play Red Dead Redemption, Halo 1,2,3 ODST and 4, Uncharted 1,2,3, God of War 1,2,3, chains of olympus, ghost of sparta, ascension, Forza (you get the picture) on any next gen system ? :S

You know what I meant. :|

But ok

Can you play Forza5, DR3, KI, Ryse, KZ SF, Knack, Resogun, Super Mario 3D. Peggle2, ec ect on this Steam box?

Of course you can't. There is a lot of Nintendo, Sony and MS money behind those games.

Can you play them on one single system though?

#42 Posted by s_h_a_d_o (1263 posts) -

@Wasdie said:

Even a $1500 steam machine can only play a small handful of games. Barely any games come out in OpenGL at launch.

Dual-boot solves that.

#43 Posted by Heil68 (42443 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:

@Heil68 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

Can you play Red Dead Redemption, Halo 1,2,3 ODST and 4, Uncharted 1,2,3, God of War 1,2,3, chains of olympus, ghost of sparta, ascension, Forza (you get the picture) on any next gen system ? :S

You know what I meant. :|

But ok

Can you play Forza5, DR3, KI, Ryse, KZ SF, Knack, Resogun, Super Mario 3D. Peggle2, ec ect on this Steam box?

Of course you can't. There is a lot of Nintendo, Sony and MS money behind those games.

Can you play them on one single system though?

Nope, but that's not what the OP was about.

"I just can not understand why you would buy a new console"

#44 Edited by Wasdie (49232 posts) -

@s_h_a_d_o said:

@Wasdie said:

Even a $1500 steam machine can only play a small handful of games. Barely any games come out in OpenGL at launch.

Dual-boot solves that.

Then you're still paying quite a bit more for a PC on your TV you could have probably built yourself and you've gained nothing.

This first batch of Steam Machines is not meant to replace game consoles but rather compliment existing PCs. The whole idea is that Steam OS is friendly for a living room situation, not a desktop computer. All of the interface has been built for a remote control or controller, not a mouse and a keyboard.

Steam big picture mode alleviates most of that problem, but unless you're streaming from a PC that's more powerful, you won't be gaming right on SteamOS that much without spending an extra $100 on Windows to dual boot.

#45 Edited by R4gn4r0k (15855 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

Of course you can't. There is a lot of Nintendo, Sony and MS money behind those games.

Can you play them on one single system though?

Nope, but that's not what the OP was about.

"I just can not understand why you would buy a new console"

True, the OP pitted the PC against all consoles, so you weren't wrong :P

#46 Posted by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

I love these forums. Same all the time

'consoles are better than anything!'

'yeah but what about this thing that costs more?'

'cost more than a console...therefore we win!'

...a deck of cards also costs less, does that mean its better?

#47 Edited by treedoor (7478 posts) -

I agree that a PC is better than consoles.

Not so sure about the Steam machine.

#48 Edited by freedom01 (567 posts) -

pointless debate, If you have a good gaming PC, a Steam Machine is unnecessary to them, and the Steam Machine cannot play console exclusives.

#49 Posted by wis3boi (30800 posts) -

@SEANMCAD said:

...a deck of cards also costs less, does that mean its better?

its a better deal than next gen consoles

#50 Posted by blackace (19536 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

I just can not understand why you would buy a new console when you can wait for a little bit and get a Steam Machine.

Because it'll cost 2-3x more then a next-gen console, that's why. I could build a PC gaming rig for less and still enjoy all the games on SteamBox and other games NOT on STEAM. It's obvious the SteamBox is aimed toward hardcore PC gamers, but I doubt they will give up their epic PC rigs for a SteamBox.