Steam is a Worse DRM Than Xbone

On Steam:

1) You have to be connected to the internet to activate any new games, even the ones you bought from retail.

2) Constantly gets greeted by annoying pop-up when you launch the client.

3) NO USED GAMES AT ALL! You can't legally sell your games under their EULA.

4) No game sharing beside giving your account to somebody else.

5) Offline mode is really spotty and can get very buggy at some times.

6) You can't get unbanned from VAC if your account was hacked and the hacker used cheats on VAC servers. You have to re-buy all these games.

7) System was forced on the consumers on 2004 specially with the release of HL2. Many copies of that game required Steam to function when Steam was really buggy and crappy. This is the definition of anti-consumer right there.

On Xbone:

1) Connect at least once every 24, which sucks.

2) Used games will still exist, but the market will be more controlled.

3) Sharing will be available (up to 10 family members).

4) Loaning the games or giving away to friends will be avalible (not on launch).

So why does Gamespot posters defend the POS that is STEAM in arms? If people are really agains the POS that is DRM and the Xbone then perhaps they need to stick to their principles and fight big Gabe Newell too since his policies are even worse regarding used games. No wonder his ass is getting kicked by EU courts where this crap can't pass there.

I get that people enjoy the savings, but would those people support the xbone if prices were cheaper? Are people really okay with crappy DRM if they are saving a few bucks even if the DRM is anti-consumer? Are gamers simply addicted and can't stop gaming no matter how bad the treatment they get is?

No...because:

You can play offline whenever you want.

You can lend your account to all your friends without first needing get permission.

Plenty of Steam games are actually DRM free.

not all games are forced steam support there goes your argument.

No...because:

You can play offline whenever you want.

You can lend your account to all your friends without first needing get permission.

AdrianWerner

You can't lend games on Steam as far as I know. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Uh....yeah, no.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

No...because:

You can play offline whenever you want.

You can lend your account to all your friends without first needing get permission.

kingfire11

You can't lend games on Steam as far as I know. Please correct me if I am wrong.

not all games are forced steam support there goes your argument.

pcgamingowns

Plenty of Steam games are actually DRM free.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

No...because:

You can play offline whenever you want.

You can lend your account to all your friends without first needing get permission.

AdrianWerner

You can't lend games on Steam as far as I know. Please correct me if I am wrong.

By "lend account" you mean giving your password to somebody so that person uses it for some time then I can only lol at this.

why would you want to game share when you can get like a x4 bundle for the price of 1 xboned game and then give 3 codes to friends.

Have you even read what I wrote?kingfire11

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Plenty of Steam games are actually DRM free.

ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

not all games are forced steam support there goes your argument.

kingfire11

why would you want to game share when you get can like a x4 bundle for the price of 1 xboned game and then give 3 codes to friends.campzor

 

By "lend account" you mean giving your password to somebody so that person uses it for some time then I can only lol at this.

kingfire11

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Plenty of Steam games are actually DRM free.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="campzor"]why would you want to game share when you get can like a x4 bundle for the price of 1 xboned game and then give 3 codes to friends.kingfire11

most games on steam don't have drm

Is it bad drm? yes.

Is it as bad as xbox dOne? nope.

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

 

By "lend account" you mean giving your password to somebody so that person uses it for some time then I can only lol at this.

AdrianWerner

On Steam:

1) You have to be connected to the internet to activate any new games, even the ones you bought from retail.

2) Constantly gets greeted by annoying pop-up when you launch the client.

3) NO USED GAMES AT ALL! You can't legally sell your games under their EULA.

4) No game sharing beside giving your account to somebody else.

5) Offline mode is really spotty and can get very buggy at some times.

6) You can't get unbanned from VAC if your account was hacked and the hacker used cheats on VAC servers. You have to re-buy all these games.

7) System was forced on the consumers on 2004 specially with the release of HL2. Many copies of that game required Steam to function when Steam was really buggy and crappy. This is the definition of anti-consumer right there.

kingfire11

1. Connect once and never have to activate again.

2. So turn them off.

3. Games are so damn cheap that no one cares. In fact that's why no one seems to mind any negatives that come with Steam or other DD platforms.

5. Offline mode works perfectly fine.

6. Steam's support does suck. This is known.

7. Brand new, digital platform has issues at launch. What's so anti-consumer about that?

Plus a lot of Steam games have no DRM.

AdrianWerner

Because those games can be gotten elsewhere. They aren't Steam(works) games.

On Steam:

 

4) No game sharing beside giving your account to somebody else.

 

kingfire11

you can't share or give your account so somebody else if they found out you will be ban ,it's on eula basicaly you have right to use it not own it

http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

[QUOTE="kingfire11"][QUOTE="campzor"]why would you want to game share when you get can like a x4 bundle for the price of 1 xboned game and then give 3 codes to friends.PonchoTaco

Along with what everyone has said, people buy new games on steam for absurdly cheap, like legit recent games for a few dollars. The sales are insane and frequent, PLUS Steam isn't a monopoly, the PC has plenty of competition, digital and retail. You have tons of options.

Xbone is one closed off fascist DRM prison with no options, no choices. 

yeah but that is countered by competitively (cheap) priced games due to competition between multiple DD retailers

yeah but that is countered by competitively (cheap) priced games due to competition between multiple DD retailers

lostrib

So I guess people are okay with intrusive DRM if the prices are low?

Games on steam are cheap especially when they are on sales you can go to places like cdkeyhouse and buy keys for the game to activate on steam for a pretty low price especially when for new release.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

yeah but that is countered by competitively (cheap) priced games due to competition between multiple DD retailers

kingfire11

So I guess people are okay with intrusive DRM if the prices are low?

it's not overly intrusive, and yes. as long as not AO

Pretty much the only argument people seem to have for why they adore Steam but shit on Xbox One is "teh deals." And that's a very flimsy argument. ShoulderOfOrion

you dont own your games with steam if steam shutsdown all of your games are gone.

PC games are so cheap that you don't need to sell them. DRM is fine with PC. PCs aren't meant for you to lug around and play. PCs are stationary gaming/entertainment systems.PonchoTaco

So much this. If we want our friends playing games, we'll gift it to them.

Having your games readily available and always tied to your account is a major boon, not the other way around. If XBL wasn't a paid service, I would applaud their ownership policy and actually buy the Xbox. 

And just fyi, you can turn off that popup when you start up Steam/exit a game. Some people find it helpful, but I don't. Haven't seen it in years.

when M$ sell cheap games like steam you can talk

Plus i don-t need to be online to play them

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Pretty much the only argument people seem to have for why they adore Steam but shit on Xbox One is "teh deals." And that's a very flimsy argument. kingfire11

[QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]PC games are so cheap that you don't need to sell them. DRM is fine with PC. PCs aren't meant for you to lug around and play. PCs are stationary gaming/entertainment systems.Sharpie125

So much this. If we want our friends playing games, we'll gift it to them.

Having your games readily available and always tied to your account is a major boon, not the other way around. If XBL wasn't a paid service, I would applaud their ownership policy and actually buy the Xbox. 

And just fyi, you can turn off that popup when you start up Steam/exit a game. Some people find it helpful, but I don't. Haven't seen it in years.

when M$ sell cheap games like steam you can talk

Plus i don-t need to be online to play them

Krelian-co

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when M$ sell cheap games like steam you can talk

Plus i don-t need to be online to play them

Eddie-Vedder