Star Fox 2 GameSpot review: 5/10

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#1 onesiphorus
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This is to let everyone know that GameSpot has posted its review of Star Fox 2 and gave it a 5/10.

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It should be known that this game will not affect the overall quality of the SNES Classic System.

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#2 AcidTango
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IGN also gave it a 5 as well. Can't say I'm surprised.

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#3 Pedro
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SNES Classic is a waste of silicon as this and all of the games for the system proves. But Nintendo drones will be drones. They will buy new OLD hardware to play old games even if the identical experience can be had with existing hardware. Why bother consolidating your games onto one system when you can have your games randomly spread across a variety of useless hardware?

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#4 KungfuKitten
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I mean, judging by modern standards most of the games would get low scores.

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#5 NoRemorse13
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ok

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#6 Archangel3371  Online
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Not surprising as this sounded like it really wasn't that good of a game. Thankfully this was pretty far from being a big reason as to why I picked up a SNES Classic. Star Fox 2 was a curiosity for me, nothing more. I was far more interested in the other fantastic games that were included on the system even though I played them all before.

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#7 FLOPPAGE_50
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So buying the SNES classic is pointless over the actual SNES/emulators?

I keep reading that the reason people want this so bad is because of the finished SF2 game.

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#8  Edited By iambatman7986
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I was just at the Nintendo store in Times square and the amount of people in line was astounding. This guy was heckling them saying "you people are waiting in line to buy a miniature box to play emulated 25 year old games that can be played on a Wii and Wii U. I'm a Nintendo fan, but he had me cracking up.

Was anyone expecting SF2 to get a good score?

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#9 R4gn4r0k
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Well yeah, if the game can't be played than of course it deserves no more, I'd argue it deserves less.

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#10 foxhound_fox
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Isn't it technically an incomplete game?

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#11 DocSanchez
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Was playing on the SNES Mini today. It's a decent piece of kit but if you don't have any nostalgia there's little point to it. I'm glad I didn't buy one. I mean don't get me wrong, there isn't a bad game on it and they are mostly all time classics (Castlevania IV being the best game on it for me) but let's be honest, it's way overpriced.

That being said. I think Star Fox is one of the worst games on it. It hasn't aged well at all. 2D games age so much better, but what was groundbreaking in the past now looks archaic when it comes to 3D. It isn't unplayable, but I would have included a couple of different games instead of this.

I suppose it comes down to whether the box is purely for nostalgia or not.

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#12 sonic_spark
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@foxhound_fox said:

Isn't it technically an incomplete game?

I thought Nintendo issued a complete game. I think the rom versions were incomplete and modders over time completed it in a way that differs from what's in the SNES Classic.

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#13 nintendoboy16
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After so many cries for the game to be released either in cart form or VC, this happens. lol I called it.

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#14 resevl4rlz
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they rated the game has it was in 2017 not rate it for the time in 199x

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#15  Edited By sHaDyCuBe321
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Yeah the game is ass. The worst games in the system are SF and SF2

Btw the amount of salt in this thread is hilarious. It’s a toy that’s meant to play to nostalgia, nothing more nothing less.

Why do people keep talking about emulation as if it’s not an illegal option. In order to legally emulate these games you would need to own said games. Last time I checked Earthbound and Super Mario RPG are not only hard to find, but are expensive as shit.

Maybe you’re just mad you didn’t get one?

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#16 AfterShafter
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@KungfuKitten said:

I mean, judging by modern standards most of the games would get low scores.

One would think so but it isn't always the case. The re-release of a lot of the Zelda games a while back got rave reviews when, frankly, most of them were absolute trash by any pretense of objective standards of graphics, or "what we've come to expect from modern games" and whatnot. It all comes down to nostalgia and what we're willing to let a game get away with... I go back and play Planescape: Torment and say "Best game ever - still" and I ignore blatant gameplay issues in the face of the most sophisticated story I've ever seen told in a video game - but I don't pretend like I'm some sort of authority on how good games are, just an old fart of gaming. People do the same thing with their favourite games from the past all the time, as we drool at the prospect of a new Megaman in the classic style or a re-release of Street Fighter II and whatnot. Heck, some people even pine over MUD style games in one breath while bashing games that came a decade later because they lack what we've come to expect from contemporary games, as if there were some absolute standard of advancement in gaming that all games are held to. Unfortunately, some of those people become reviewers for big sites and suddenly what they say is perceived as authoritative.

I don't know how good Star Fox 2 is, but something tells me that a lot of re-releases, re-masters, and collections do not get held to the standard that says that the "enjoyable moments are hamstrung by modern standards and expectations" very often. In this case, this one was.

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#17  Edited By djura
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@Pedro said:

SNES Classic is a waste of silicon as this and all of the games for the system proves. But Nintendo drones will be drones. They will buy new OLD hardware to play old games even if the identical experience can be had with existing hardware. Why bother consolidating your games onto one system when you can have your games randomly spread across a variety of useless hardware?

Well, for one thing, there's the quality of the emulation and getting an official controller to boot. I didn't really bother getting much in the way of Virtual Console games for Wii because of the lack of HD, and the emulation on the Wii U often seemed fairly poor.

You can go and get other solutions as well (Raspberry Pi), but these aren't really ideal either for a number of reasons (unless you really want to tinker with them). There are also a lot of crappy quality ROMs and emulators out there where compatibility and reliability can be very spotty.

So I think it just comes down to having really good emulation in HD all in one box that's just plug-and-play - and for a very reasonable price (certainly, I'd argue that SNES Classic is likely better value as a "bundle" than buying all these games separately on download services).

I'd like Nintendo to create a new/dedicated Virtual Console service where you purchase a game once and that's it and it lives across your devices via your account (like PSN or Xbox Live) - but at the moment, that isn't an option. So, something like SNES Classic makes a lot of sense, especially if you want a fairly authentic experience.

I do see a lot of debate about this stuff, but I think it boils down to "because I personally can't understand why a person would buy this product, then they must be making a bad decision" - when actually, no, we just have different tastes and reasons for buying certain products. Nothing wrong with that.

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#18  Edited By KBFloYd
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@Pedro said:

SNES Classic is a waste of silicon as this and all of the games for the system proves. But Nintendo drones will be drones. They will buy new OLD hardware to play old games even if the identical experience can be had with existing hardware. Why bother consolidating your games onto one system when you can have your games randomly spread across a variety of useless hardware?

lmao

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#19 Planeforger
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Strange - Eurogamer seemed to really love Star Fox 2. I guess they were comparing it to games of the SNES era rather than to modern gaming standards like Gamespot here.

@sHaDyCuBe321 said:

Why do people keep talking about emulation as if it’s not an illegal option. In order to legally emulate these games you would need to own said games. Last time I checked Earthbound and Super Mario RPG are not only hard to find, but are expensive as shit.

Last time I checked, owning the games doesn't make a difference.

Whether you own the original game or not, It's a breach of copyright to make an unauthorised copy of the files. Downloading a ROM from the internet is obviously against the law - there's not even any grey area there, legally speaking.

The only way to legally emulate these games is to buy an authorised reproduction (Virtual Console, SNES Classic, etc.), or if you got consent from Nintendo/Square Enix/whoever (which they won't give...and even if they did, it would only be for personal use).

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#20 jorzorz
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the game was amazing for its time, now it sucks because being 3d is not impressive anymore. Back in the 90s early 3d games blew people away even if the game didnt play so well. I call it crysis syndrome, no matter how generic the game is, everyone is impressed by the visuals.

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#21  Edited By KBFloYd
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@jorzorz said:

the game was amazing for its time, now it sucks because being 3d is not impressive anymore. Back in the 90s early 3d games blew people away even if the game didnt play so well. I call it crysis syndrome, no matter how generic the game is, everyone is impressed by the visuals.

i think starfox on snes is better than starfox64. imo the dpad controls the arwing much better than the analog stick.

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#22 appariti0n
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How does it compare to star fox 1? is it really that bad?

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#23 Litchie  Online
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Starfox 1 wasn't good either.

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#24 Bread_or_Decide
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The SNES collectors Edition is pretty sweet. I'm playing super metroid for the first time and enjoying it.

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#25 R4gn4r0k
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@jorzorz said:

the game was amazing for its time, now it sucks because being 3d is not impressive anymore. Back in the 90s early 3d games blew people away even if the game didnt play so well. I call it crysis syndrome, no matter how generic the game is, everyone is impressed by the visuals.

Crysis was generic ?

What other FPS games of the time offered huge open sandbox style levels ?

What other FPS games of the time gave you super powers ?

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#26 locopatho
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Even Star Fox 1 was only ever a "look at the '3D' graphics!" game. I found it a boring sloppy mess to play, even back then. 5/10 sounds generous for a semi finished sequel. Thankfully there's loads of actually brilliant games on SNES mini.

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#27  Edited By APiranhaAteMyVa
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Flop, looks like SNEs classic is DOA

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#28 mojito1988
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A unreleased game not scoring well? HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!?!!?

My god people. Why do you think it was never released in the first place?

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#29  Edited By waahahah
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@mojito1988 said:

A unreleased game not scoring well? HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!?!!?

My god people. Why do you think it was never released in the first place?

isn't it released now? if it was bad then they shouldn't have done that.

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#30 KBFloYd
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i just played some...

um it is very different. it is played mostly in 1st person and the aiming is clunky.

it is more of a defense game and not an on rails 3rd person arial shooter.

leave it to nintendo to "innovate" and not do the same thing twice. look at zelda on nes. zelda 2 was completely different.