Source : The Division already downgraded because of consoles

#51 Posted by chikenfriedrice (10416 posts) -

@BPoole96 said:

Did anyone actually think consoles were capable of this:

Well Ubi shouldn't put this shit out there.

#52 Posted by AM-Gamer (3932 posts) -

@melonfarmerz: Do you know why I ignore PS3/360 sales? Because despite the fact the have about 8x the install base they still outperform the old Consoles in software sales. You don't wanna count laptop and tablet gamers? And you say I cherry pick my argument? That's funny because whenever there's an article about how the PC brings in more money then any platform you can't wait to count those gamers.

And yes let's compare the kids on steam who most would consider core gamers. Only to see about 90% of there pcs are weaker then the PS4.

#53 Edited by AM-Gamer (3932 posts) -

@deathlordcrime: I didn't downplay SC it's simply not out yet. And you can post hudless shots of any high end next gen title and it's going to look impressive.

#54 Edited by DEadliNE-Zero0 (2421 posts) -

@highking_kallor said:

@farrell2k said:

Not surprising. Consoles have been holding back pc gaming for a decade. Console kids are happy with mediocrity, so that's what they get.

So no PC exclusives confirmed? Or are they held back by consoles also?

Consoles exclusives exist because MS and Sony pay for them. Name one big budget game develop exclusively for 1 console alone that wasn't made by a 1st party studio or paied/had an association with the console manufacturers. Unlike the era of the PS1, and probably 2.

The closest thing PC would egt would be Nvidia or Intel or some other component manufacturer paying to exclusivity attached to their hardware in order to sell it. Just like consoles.

BTW, did you miss how even Sony admited it's starting to not get viable to make AAA exclusives anymore?

#55 Edited by DeathLordCrime (212 posts) -

@AM-Gamer said:

@deathlordcrime: I didn't downplay SC it's simply not out yet. And you can post hudless shots of any high end next gen title and it's going to look impressive.

Coming from a guy who think AC Unity is somehow on par, and no really you don't say right surly they look good with the hud. BTW we can already play Star Citizen and it looks damn good.

#56 Posted by melonfarmerz (1170 posts) -

@AM-Gamer: I literally just explained why I did what I did and you question it? Dude. Are you illiterate? Your argument is fundamentally flawed and everyone here disagree's with you. Your arguments are literally lowering my IQ so let's just agree to end it here.

Also, the games I count in those articles are LoL, DOTA, and various Valve games. Actual games. Not low end tablet games.

And you're actually going to use Steam Survey's? Every time they're brought up, someone explains why they're wrong and you continue to use them. I actually can't...

#57 Edited by highking_kallor (524 posts) -

@deadline-zero0 said:

@highking_kallor said:

@farrell2k said:

Not surprising. Consoles have been holding back pc gaming for a decade. Console kids are happy with mediocrity, so that's what they get.

So no PC exclusives confirmed? Or are they held back by consoles also?

Consoles exclusives exist because MS and Sony pay for them. Name one big budget game develop exclusively for 1 console alone that wasn't made by a 1st party studio or paied/had an association with the console manufacturers. Unlike the era of the PS1, and probably 2.

The closest thing PC would egt would be Nvidia or Intel or some other component manufacturer paying to exclusivity attached to their hardware in order to sell it. Just like consoles.

BTW, did you miss how even Sony admited it's starting to not get viable to make AAA exclusives anymore?

You used a lot of words to agree with me. Thanks

#58 Posted by DeathLordCrime (212 posts) -

@highking_kallor said:

So no PC exclusives confirmed? Or are they held back by consoles also?

#59 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (14092 posts) -

Don't trust ubisoft, it's gonna be another watchdogs.

#60 Posted by BPoole96 (22800 posts) -

@chikenfriedrice: You're right, they shouldn't. But, when those pictures came out last year, I knew damn well next gen consoles weren't going to be able to handle an open world game that looked that good. I don't even think my R9 290 could handle that at 60fps

#61 Posted by melonfarmerz (1170 posts) -

@highking_kallor: Hey you decided to show up again! Where's your PC?

#62 Posted by AM-Gamer (3932 posts) -

@melonfarmerz: Everyone disagrees me? You mean butthurt hermits that are mad there platform can't support technically impressive exclusives and actually blame console makers on some ridiculous conspiracy theory. You can't even come up with a logical debate so you just randomly babbled about how dumb a argument is.

And those games you count on those articles prove my point. LOL can run on a pc made 10 years ago. And the fact pc gamers are stupid enough to pay $20 for a fucking skin is laughable. And yes some of those 12 year olds that play farmville also play LOL. It has a mix of competitive and casual players like any game with a massive install base. If anything consoles gamers should bitch about how this F2p Shit that did so well on pc is trying to infect consoles.

#63 Posted by highking_kallor (524 posts) -

@deathlordcrime said:

@highking_kallor said:

So no PC exclusives confirmed? Or are they held back by consoles also?

Only the one. Interesting. Guess his statement was incorrect then or at best missleading.

#64 Posted by DeathLordCrime (212 posts) -

@highking_kallor said:

@deathlordcrime said:

@highking_kallor said:

So no PC exclusives confirmed? Or are they held back by consoles also?

Only the one. Interesting. Guess his statement was incorrect then or at best missleading.

#65 Posted by chikenfriedrice (10416 posts) -

@BPoole96 said:

@chikenfriedrice: You're right, they shouldn't. But, when those pictures came out last year, I knew damn well next gen consoles weren't going to be able to handle an open world game that looked that good. I don't even think my R9 290 could handle that at 60fps

I was hoping it would look that good but after the release of these consoles and seeing their limitations, yeah hell no. What sucks is the PC versions could look like that and should, very disappointed in this "next" gen so far.

#66 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4789 posts) -
@deadline-zero0 said:

@CrownKingArthur: You do make me wonder about something.

If platform parity isn't a thing, because most console gamers are casual players who probably don't even know about this stuff, why are MS and Sony so god damm obsessed with 1080p and 60fps? Along with better gfx, these 3 point to the main technical ways to tell the platfomrs apart via multiplats.

So if graphics aren't downgraded because of PC, why was Sony, for example, so quick to post that Watch Dogs was "1080p/60fps". I guess i could see tehr esolutiongate abit, why the frames then?

Really makes me wonder.

i'm not sure what was happening when sony broadcast watch dogs being 1080p60 on ps4. it's possible some non-technical marketing team put that out, and the mistake wasn't caught until later. i'd assume it was an innocent mistake by sony.

and yeah, from my experience on the internet of late, it certainly seems that the resolution buzzwords are used as a metric of console quality. all they need is the biggest number in front of the p.

it seems to be marketing one console well.

#67 Edited by highking_kallor (524 posts) -

@melonfarmerz said:

@highking_kallor: Hey you decided to show up again! Where's your PC?

Not gonna post anything because of privacy issues. Get over it.

#68 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4789 posts) -
@highking_kallor said:

@melonfarmerz said:

@highking_kallor: Hey you decided to show up again! Where's your PC?

Not gonna post anything because of privacy issues. Get over it.

#69 Edited by highking_kallor (524 posts) -

@deathlordcrime said:

@highking_kallor said:

@deathlordcrime said:

@highking_kallor said:

So no PC exclusives confirmed? Or are they held back by consoles also?

Only the one. Interesting. Guess his statement was incorrect then or at best missleading.

2 and counting. Now anything that isnt a crappy empty space shooter?

#70 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (25357 posts) -

@BPoole96 said:

Did anyone actually think consoles were capable of this:

Cows sure did.

#71 Edited by highking_kallor (524 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:
@highking_kallor said:

@melonfarmerz said:

@highking_kallor: Hey you decided to show up again! Where's your PC?

Not gonna post anything because of privacy issues. Get over it.

Dude how did you know? I love Hitler.

#72 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4789 posts) -
@highking_kallor said:

@CrownKingArthur said:
@highking_kallor said:

@melonfarmerz said:

@highking_kallor: Hey you decided to show up again! Where's your PC?

Not gonna post anything because of privacy issues. Get over it.

Dude how did you know? I love Hitler.

mmm yes i knew you'd appreciate that.

#73 Posted by BPoole96 (22800 posts) -

@chikenfriedrice: I am too. I'm so glad I ended up selling my PS4 preorder for profit instead. Maybe Ubisoft will have another "Enable E3 mode" in The Division like they had for Watch Dogs.

#74 Edited by uninspiredcup (8626 posts) -

Angry Joe had an interview and specifically played it saying it looked as good as the footage shown.

#75 Edited by BldgIrsh (2586 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

Angry Joe had an interview and specifically played it saying it looked as good as the footage shown.

Completely reliable source. No amount of money would change this guys opinion. /sarcasm

#76 Edited by uninspiredcup (8626 posts) -

@bldgirsh said:

@uninspiredcup said:

Angry Joe had an interview and specifically played it saying it looked as good as the footage shown.

Completely reliable source. No amount of money would change this guys opinion. /sarcasm

My freind, if you bother watching the other interviews he outright tells the Battlefield Hardline developers Battlefield 4 was shit and outright tells the Call Of Duty developers they have been making copy pasted games with 4 hour sp games. This man is a hero we should all admire.

#77 Posted by OhSnapitz (18411 posts) -

Lol.. I never took the so called "Master Race" as being the gullible type.

Ubisoft set a standard (supposedly) for certain games that they could not met with a finished product. So now they're (supposedly) blaming consoles for their bait and switch move.. And what do Herm pirates do? Fall for it hook, line and sinker.

Bottom Line:

  • The Uber PC IS more powerful than the current PS4/XBO configs. (I just got a pretty nice one and it's freaking insane)
  • Ubisoft can still push all hardware but they're choosing to go the easy route. (as proven with WD).
  • The only thing "holding back" the PC is lazy ass devs who are banking on gullible gamers.
#78 Edited by Jankarcop (9519 posts) -

@AM-Gamer said:

@Motokid6: Would like me to explain to you how corporate structure works? And how a company looks at overall profit margins by a platform to decide the types of titles it will get? When things like LOL do far better then the original Crysis, you can expect to get more f2p Shit that's not very technically demanding.

1. LoL got a 9.0 here, is played by more than anyone on consoles combined, and has a higher skill-cap than any console released in the history of games.

"F2p Shit"

2. PC has the best gfx atm, in arma3, crysis3, and wd w/ mods. Soon Star Ctiizen , Dreadnaught, and Elite:Dangerous will be on that list. You guys will never have top gfx. You never have.

#79 Posted by Jankarcop (9519 posts) -

@AM-Gamer said:

the majority of your pc gamers own significantly weaker hardware then the PS4 and Xbox one.

You do know that even 15% of PC gamers is still far more than PS4/XBOX ONE gamers....right?

Someone even did the math in another one of your threads and owned you, you stopped replying after that post.

#80 Posted by GamingGod999 (2997 posts) -

Getting real tired of Ubisoft misleading us with these show demos.

#81 Posted by OhSnapitz (18411 posts) -

@GamingGod999 said:

Getting real tired of Ubisoft misleading us with these show demos.

..that's ALL it is. Misrepresentation of a product.

Even WITH the so called embedded features within Watch Dogs it STILL doesn't look as good as the E3 demo. Yet Hermits are cool with that.. I figured you guys would be more pissed than anyone.. I mean isn't it the Modder's who are changing things up?

#82 Posted by Bruin1986 (1287 posts) -

@melonfarmerz said:

@locopatho said:

If only PC gaming could support it's own games. Then it could stop bitching at consoles all day.

PC gaming supports its own exclusives just fine. Look at the massive profit on LoL, DOTA, CS, SC, ect. It's multiplats that consoles are holding PC's back on.

...you're not helping your argument

All of those games you listed (LoL, DOTA, CS, SC, etc) are relatively low-end PC games designed to run on the vast majority of computers, even those with stock graphics cards or accelerated graphics.

Hell, the PAST generation consoles could probably run those games just fine.

PC gamers are delusional if they believe that if consoles disappeared, PC developers would suddenly spring to life and start pumping out AAA-budget titles aimed solely at high-end rigs. Star Citizen is the exception because it is a crowd-funded game which doesn't expose investors/publishers to any risk. The high-end "hardcore" PC gaming community simply isn't large enough to justify AAA budget titles...which is why you don't see any.

#83 Posted by Vecna (3394 posts) -

Consoles are going to hold back pc gaming as long as developers are content with catering to console hardware.

The consoles are barely out and yet they are already outdated. Dem cell phone console cpus really pushing the boundaries!

#84 Edited by madskills6117 (4023 posts) -

Day 1 for me on either ps4 or xbox one. While people are running around talking about how its been downgraded i'll be enjoying it. Kind of like Watch Dogs.

#85 Posted by ButDuuude (463 posts) -

Stop with the excuses.

#86 Posted by m3dude1 (1312 posts) -

1. that dreadnaught trailer is CG.

2. this email is fake

3. its very possible the game will have a visual downgrade

#87 Posted by harry_james_pot (10832 posts) -

We don't need rumors to know that a Ubisoft game is getting downgraded..

#88 Posted by ButDuuude (463 posts) -

@highking_kallor said:

@farrell2k said:

Not surprising. Consoles have been holding back pc gaming for a decade. Console kids are happy with mediocrity, so that's what they get.

So no PC exclusives confirmed? Or are they held back by consoles also?

Oh didn't you know that Goat simulator is held back by consoles.

#89 Edited by DeathLordCrime (212 posts) -

@highking_kallor said:

@deathlordcrime said:

@highking_kallor said:

@deathlordcrime said:

@highking_kallor said:

So no PC exclusives confirmed? Or are they held back by consoles also?

Only the one. Interesting. Guess his statement was incorrect then or at best missleading.

2 and counting. Now anything that isnt a crappy empty space shooter?

One doesn't even take place in space and you seem to think there only space

#90 Posted by DeathLordCrime (212 posts) -

@Bruin1986 said:

@melonfarmerz said:

@locopatho said:

If only PC gaming could support it's own games. Then it could stop bitching at consoles all day.

PC gaming supports its own exclusives just fine. Look at the massive profit on LoL, DOTA, CS, SC, ect. It's multiplats that consoles are holding PC's back on.

...you're not helping your argument

All of those games you listed (LoL, DOTA, CS, SC, etc) are relatively low-end PC games designed to run on the vast majority of computers, even those with stock graphics cards or accelerated graphics.

Hell, the PAST generation consoles could probably run those games just fine.

PC gamers are delusional if they believe that if consoles disappeared, PC developers would suddenly spring to life and start pumping out AAA-budget titles aimed solely at high-end rigs. Star Citizen is the exception because it is a crowd-funded game which doesn't expose investors/publishers to any risk. The high-end "hardcore" PC gaming community simply isn't large enough to justify AAA budget titles...which is why you don't see any.

Yes because he didn't list out games like Arma

#91 Posted by AM-Gamer (3932 posts) -

@Jankarcop: Nobody owned me Lmao. Look at your argument troll. If there's so many high end pcs where's your big budget exclusives? 15% of those surveyed had more powerful rigs. That fool assumed that means 15% of all steam had more powerful rigs which is absolutely not true.

#92 Edited by AM-Gamer (3932 posts) -

@Jankarcop:

1. Lol has a higher skill cap? LMAO. It's requires four hotkeys for fuck sakes. The game is all team work and yes it's played by so many pc gamers because about any PC within the past 10 years can run it. Thanks for proving my point.

2. Neither Crysis 3 nor Arma are the graphics king. You are fucking delusional but we already knew that. Beg for something to push your rig when $400 prebuilt boxes are producing visuals that dump all over pc. All because the Only games that make money on your platform is F2P Shit.

#93 Posted by highking_kallor (524 posts) -

@deathlordcrime said:

@highking_kallor said:

@deathlordcrime said:

@highking_kallor said:

@deathlordcrime said:

@highking_kallor said:

So no PC exclusives confirmed? Or are they held back by consoles also?

Only the one. Interesting. Guess his statement was incorrect then or at best missleading.

2 and counting. Now anything that isnt a crappy empty space shooter?

One doesn't even take place in space and you seem to think there only space

Atleast post something relevant that I would actually care about.

#94 Posted by soulitane (13554 posts) -

@AM-Gamer said:

@Jankarcop:

1. Lol has a higher skill cap? LMAO. It's requires four hotkeys for fuck sakes. The game is all team work and yes it's played by so many pc gamers because about any PC within the past 10 years can run it. Thanks for proving my point.

2. Neither Crysis 3 nor Arma are the graphics king. You are fucking delusional but we already knew that. Beg for something to push your rig when $400 prebuilt boxes are producing visuals that dump all over pc. All because the Only games that make money on your platform is F2P Shit.

I'm assuming you have conclusive evidence to back up that last statement?

#95 Edited by Dasein808 (518 posts) -

@highking_kallor said:

2 and counting. Now anything that isnt a crappy empty space shooter?

etc.

And many more you've never heard of and will likely never play while continuing to repeat ignorant peasant lies.

#96 Edited by AM-Gamer (3932 posts) -

@soulitane: LOL is the most profitable game on the pc platform, it's closest competition Is DOTA2. Look it up.

#97 Posted by highking_kallor (524 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:

@highking_kallor said:

2 and counting. Now anything that isnt a crappy empty space shooter?

etc.

And many more you've never heard of and will never be able to play.

Why cant I play them? My PC craps all over the new consoles. Cant wait for War of the Overworld to be honest. Big Dungeon Keeper fan. Love all Bullfrog games.

#98 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4789 posts) -
@AM-Gamer said:

@soulitane: LOL is the most profitable game on the pc platform, it's closest competition Is DOTA2. Look it up.

that's not answering his question

#99 Posted by soulitane (13554 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:
@AM-Gamer said:

@soulitane: LOL is the most profitable game on the pc platform, it's closest competition Is DOTA2. Look it up.

that's not answering his question

My thoughts exactly. Either he has a problem with being able to read, or he's trying to not answer my question.

#100 Posted by cainetao11 (17576 posts) -

"as to alienate people into thinking that next generation is not as powerful as PC" very telling statement imo. Its business, and you don't offset potential sales, even with the truth. They are weaker.