Sony's PS3 Disappointment Timeline Continued

Not that I have the time at the moment but lets look at MS.

Launches Xbox in 2001 KILLS Xbox in 2005. (LOOK AT gamespot's list of 5 best Xbox games for 2006 and then look at PS2's list of 5 best games and next year PS2 will still get God of War in addtion to Rouge G. not to mention plenty of other games that still will come out!!) AND MS spent Billions!!
http://msftextrememakeover.blogspot.com/2006/11/portrait-of-emerging-business-as-older.html

Sells are equal to Xbox over the first year after launch. ( not end of year sales!!)
http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/15/xbox-360-only-sold-about-58-compared-to-original-xbox !!
SO there you go I guss PS3 bad start can get worse like Xbox 360 has already done, But I don not think so.

Ravenlore_basic

First of all Microsoft has nothing to do with developers’ lack of interest in the original Xbox, it is the developers who are choosing to focus their development toward the 360 due to its massive popularity. Secondly Microsoft did not “kill” the Xbox, there are still games coming out for the original Xbox (refer to Gamespot Xbox Coming Soon section for more details.) Lastly you can not compare the original Xbox to a console such as PS2 which had a year head start, was developed by a company with years of experience in the console business and had a established brand loyalty to a company such as Microsoft who was a newcomer with no experience in console business; they “spent billions” so they could get their foot through the door which now looking at the results is proving to be a wise investment.

Where is the timeline for the Wii and 360?

-2pacmakaveli-

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]Not that I have the time at the moment but lets look at MS.

Launches Xbox in 2001 KILLS Xbox in 2005. (LOOK AT gamespot's list of 5 best Xbox games for 2006 and then look at PS2's list of 5 best games and next year PS2 will still get God of War in addtion to Rouge G. not to mention plenty of other games that still will come out!!) AND MS spent Billions!!
http://msftextrememakeover.blogspot.com/2006/11/portrait-of-emerging-business-as-older.html

Sells are equal to Xbox over the first year after launch. ( not end of year sales!!)
http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/15/xbox-360-only-sold-about-58-compared-to-original-xbox !!
SO there you go I guss PS3 bad start can get worse like Xbox 360 has already done, But I don not think so.

saspool

First of all Microsoft has nothing to do with developers’ lack of interest in the original Xbox, it is the developers who are choosing to focus their development toward the 360 due to its massive popularity. Secondly Microsoft did not “kill” the Xbox, there are still games coming out for the original Xbox (refer to Gamespot Xbox Coming Soon section for more details.) Lastly you can not compare the original Xbox to a console such as PS2 which had a year head start, was developed by a company with years of experience in the console business and had a established brand loyalty to a company such as Microsoft who was a newcomer with no experience in console business; they “spent billions” so they could get their foot through the door which now looking at the results is proving to be a wise investment.

"Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed."

LOL! For the PS4 maybe they'll drop analog sticks because they're "no longer needed". They can go back to Atari2600-style joysticks - an 8-way controller and one button.

LOLZ!

HOW IS NBA LIVE ON PS3 CANCELED BAD!!!

Sales to rating wise it is the most overrated game ever!!! It sells so much and can't even get a freaking 7.0!!! This is on a yearly basis. My brother and his friends discredited PS3 for not having this god like game and said that the hood wouldn't support PS3 without live. Granted I'm a black guy from the suberbs I looked at my brother like I usually do thinking to myself. (Damn you are an idiot...)
Blackbond

We all know Sony has been taking a lot of bad press from the PS3, but lets take a look back at the year that has lead us to the Nov. 17th release date.

First, we start with Sony itself. Yes, I was going to only make a timeline of the PS3 news, but how can you ignore this arrogance from late 2005?

Nov. 10th, 2005 - Sony is caught hiding a rootkit inside music CD's that place a virus on users computer. Sony's Tom Hesse defends the decision by stating that people don't know what it is, so they shouldn't care

Now that we know Sony cares about us, lets move on to the PS3...

Feb. 27th, 2006 - Sony misses it's Spring launch date
May 8th, 2006 - Sony holds it's E3 conference announcing the pricing of the PS3 at $600/$500
May 8th, 2006 - New PS3 controller will have six degrees of motion, but no rumble feature. Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed.
May 31st, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 is delayed in Europe until March 2007
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 launch shipment is cut from 2 million to 400,000 in the US (100,000 to Japan)
Sept 8th, 2006 - Sony's President admits that the company's hardware is in a current state of decline
Sept 26th, 2006 - PS3 first-party titles announced to be the same price as third party titles, at $59.99
Sept 26th, 2006 - Square Enix will not exclusively support Sony's PS3 as much as they did with the PS2.
Sept 29th, 2006 - Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.
October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"
October 19th, 2006 - The infamous spec sheet comparison and how Sony claims the Xbox 360 requires HD-DVD to play games
October 20th, 2006 - Announced that Sony may have to replace your PS3 controller for you after it no longer holds charge
October 24th, 2006 - Sony sinks Lik-Sang
October 26th, 2006 - Sony's Q2 profits decrease by 94%
October 30th, 2006 - PS3 will push Sony $1.71 billion into the red
October 31st, 2006 - Japan launch of the PS3 is cut to 80,000 units
Nov 8th, 2006 - Sony ships without update. You must update your PS3 out of the box in order to use PlayStation Network
Nov 9th, 2006 - NBA Live 2007 is cancelled on the PS3
Nov 9th, 2006 - Oblivion is pushed back from launch title to Jan 2007
Nov 10th, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison states that he can no longer confirm a March 2007 launch for Europe
Nov 11th, 2006 - PS3 launches in Japan and rewards few
Nov 11th, 2006 - Sony unprepared for Japan launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - Sony will miss 400,000 unit target for the US. Approx 150k to 200k will be shipped for launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - PS3 has backwards compatibility problems
Nov 16th, 2006 - PS3 downscales 720p games instead of upscaling to 1080i 
Nov 16th, 2006 - Sony's Jack Tretton comments on the PS3 BC problems and states that the Wii has 0 backwards compatibility
Nov 20, 2006 - NYT not impressed with PS3
Nov 21, 2006 - PS3, PSP Rainbow Six held till '07
Nov 23, 2006 - Saving Sony, one console at a time
Nov 26, 2006 - More PS3 exclusives head to 360
Nov 26, 2006 - Bloomberg: Sony missed PS3 ship targets
Nov 30, 2006 - Sony shuffles senior execs
Nov 30, 2006 - Analyst: "I cannot imagine a PlayStation 4"
Dec 8, 2006 - Court rules for Immersion; Sony to pay up
Dec 11, 2006 - Industry watchers weigh in on "record-low tie ratios" for Wii and PS3 and other results from the month of the new systems' debut.
Dec 19, 2006 - Time says PS3 was a bust
Dec 21, 2006 - Virtua Fighter 5 dukes it out on Xbox 360
Dec 21, 2006 - Sony filed a patent for wiimote style hand-held controler

While it's not all of Sony's fault, they have done little to apologize for their delays and arrogant statements. It's a bad trend that they've started, and the more they continue the more we'll be seeing article after article on Gamespot.....day after day about something else they've done to flaw the PS3's image.

I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of flaming cow responses, but hey that's expected. I can understand their crankiness b/c I know I'd hate to be in their shoes atm. Hopefully Sony will have some sort of eye-opener to the amount of distaste they've started among gaming consumers, and will get back to what they used to do best.
Natural_Mystic

you know, i never hear of the MS or NINTY execs saying anything about the "other guys". why is sony doing this.out0v0rder

FIVE STARS

Most definitely. Awesome, informative thread. I never knew Sony was that evil.... that root stuff is kinda scary, actually.

you know, i never hear of the MS or NINTY execs saying anything about the "other guys". why is sony doing this.out0v0rder

 A non biased thread about the faults of the PS3.

Rare, and very true.

[QUOTE="out0v0rder"]you know, i never hear of the MS or NINTY execs saying anything about the "other guys". why is sony doing this.Silpheed2K

2007 is gona be the upside,

-major firmware update
-less of a shortage reaching almost 2 - 6 mill mark
-Euro Launch
- Amazing games
-Better graphics and understand of making games

GsSanAndreas

[QUOTE="Natural_Mystic"]We all know Sony has been taking a lot of bad press from the PS3, but lets take a look back at the year that has lead us to the Nov. 17th release date.

First, we start with Sony itself. Yes, I was going to only make a timeline of the PS3 news, but how can you ignore this arrogance from late 2005?

Nov. 10th, 2005 - Sony is caught hiding a rootkit inside music CD's that place a virus on users computer. Sony's Tom Hesse defends the decision by stating that people don't know what it is, so they shouldn't care


Now that we know Sony cares about us, lets move on to the PS3...

Feb. 27th, 2006 - Sony misses it's Spring launch date
May 8th, 2006 - Sony holds it's E3 conference announcing the pricing of the PS3 at $600/$500
May 8th, 2006 - New PS3 controller will have six degrees of motion, but no rumble feature. Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed.
May 31st, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 is delayed in Europe until March 2007
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 launch shipment is cut from 2 million to 400,000 in the US (100,000 to Japan)
Sept 8th, 2006 - Sony's President admits that the company's hardware is in a current state of decline
Sept 26th, 2006 - PS3 first-party titles announced to be the same price as third party titles, at $59.99
Sept 26th, 2006 - Square Enix will not exclusively support Sony's PS3 as much as they did with the PS2.
Sept 29th, 2006 - Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.
October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"
October 19th, 2006 - The infamous spec sheet comparison and how Sony claims the Xbox 360 requires HD-DVD to play games
October 20th, 2006 - Announced that Sony may have to replace your PS3 controller for you after it no longer holds charge
October 24th, 2006 - Sony sinks Lik-Sang
October 26th, 2006 - Sony's Q2 profits decrease by 94%
October 30th, 2006 - PS3 will push Sony $1.71 billion into the red
October 31st, 2006 - Japan launch of the PS3 is cut to 80,000 units
Nov 8th, 2006 - Sony ships without update. You must update your PS3 out of the box in order to use PlayStation Network
Nov 9th, 2006 - NBA Live 2007 is cancelled on the PS3
Nov 9th, 2006 - Oblivion is pushed back from launch title to Jan 2007
Nov 10th, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison states that he can no longer confirm a March 2007 launch for Europe
Nov 11th, 2006 - PS3 launches in Japan and rewards few
Nov 11th, 2006 - Sony unprepared for Japan launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - Sony will miss 400,000 unit target for the US. Approx 150k to 200k will be shipped for launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - PS3 has backwards compatibility problems
Nov 16th, 2006 - PS3 downscales 720p games instead of upscaling to 1080i 
Nov 16th, 2006 - Sony's Jack Tretton comments on the PS3 BC problems and states that the Wii has 0 backwards compatibility
Nov 20, 2006 - NYT not impressed with PS3
Nov 21, 2006 - PS3, PSP Rainbow Six held till '07
Nov 23, 2006 - Saving Sony, one console at a time
Nov 26, 2006 - More PS3 exclusives head to 360
Nov 26, 2006 - Bloomberg: Sony missed PS3 ship targets
Nov 30, 2006 - Sony shuffles senior execs
Nov 30, 2006 - Analyst: "I cannot imagine a PlayStation 4"
Dec 8, 2006 - Court rules for Immersion; Sony to pay up
Dec 11, 2006 - Industry watchers weigh in on "record-low tie ratios" for Wii and PS3 and other results from the month of the new systems' debut.
Dec 19, 2006 - Time says PS3 was a bust
Dec 21, 2006 - Virtua Fighter 5 dukes it out on Xbox 360

While it's not all of Sony's fault, they have done little to apologize for their delays and arrogant statements. It's a bad trend that they've started, and the more they continue the more we'll be seeing article after article on Gamespot.....day after day about something else they've done to flaw the PS3's image.

I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of flaming cow responses, but hey that's expected. I can understand their crankiness b/c I know I'd hate to be in their shoes atm. Hopefully Sony will have some sort of eye-opener to the amount of distaste they've started among gaming consumers, and will get back to what they used to do best.
RAZZY_B

by far the best post ever!!

respect

i really do hope sony gets its act together and that the ps3 will be what the ps2 was, a great piece of gaming hardware

ok. wow links. good post.

We all know Sony has been taking a lot of bad press from the PS3, but lets take a look back at the year that has lead us to the Nov. 17th release date.

First, we start with Sony itself. Yes, I was going to only make a timeline of the PS3 news, but how can you ignore this arrogance from late 2005?

Nov. 10th, 2005 - Sony is caught hiding a rootkit inside music CD's that place a virus on users computer. Sony's Tom Hesse defends the decision by stating that people don't know what it is, so they shouldn't care

Now that we know Sony cares about us, lets move on to the PS3...

Feb. 27th, 2006 - Sony misses it's Spring launch date
May 8th, 2006 - Sony holds it's E3 conference announcing the pricing of the PS3 at $600/$500
May 8th, 2006 - New PS3 controller will have six degrees of motion, but no rumble feature. Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed.
May 31st, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 is delayed in Europe until March 2007
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 launch shipment is cut from 2 million to 400,000 in the US (100,000 to Japan)
Sept 8th, 2006 - Sony's President admits that the company's hardware is in a current state of decline
Sept 26th, 2006 - PS3 first-party titles announced to be the same price as third party titles, at $59.99
Sept 26th, 2006 - Square Enix will not exclusively support Sony's PS3 as much as they did with the PS2.
Sept 29th, 2006 - Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.
October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"
October 19th, 2006 - The infamous spec sheet comparison and how Sony claims the Xbox 360 requires HD-DVD to play games
October 20th, 2006 - Announced that Sony may have to replace your PS3 controller for you after it no longer holds charge
October 24th, 2006 - Sony sinks Lik-Sang
October 26th, 2006 - Sony's Q2 profits decrease by 94%
October 28th, 2006 - Sony president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps
October 30th, 2006 - PS3 will push Sony $1.71 billion into the red
October 31st, 2006 - Japan launch of the PS3 is cut to 80,000 units
Nov 8th, 2006 - Sony ships without update. You must update your PS3 out of the box in order to use PlayStation Network
Nov 9th, 2006 - NBA Live 2007 is cancelled on the PS3
Nov 9th, 2006 - Oblivion is pushed back from launch title to Jan 2007
Nov 10th, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison states that he can no longer confirm a March 2007 launch for Europe
Nov 11th, 2006 - PS3 launches in Japan and rewards few
Nov 11th, 2006 - Sony unprepared for Japan launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - Sony will miss 400,000 unit target for the US. Approx 150k to 200k will be shipped for launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - PS3 has backwards compatibility problems
Nov 16th, 2006 - PS3 downscales 720p games instead of upscaling to 1080i
Nov 16th, 2006 - Sony's Jack Tretton comments on the PS3 BC problems and states that the Wii has 0 backwards compatibility
Nov 20, 2006 - NYT not impressed with PS3
Nov 21, 2006 - PS3, PSP Rainbow Six held till '07
Nov 23, 2006 - Saving Sony, one console at a time
Nov 26, 2006 - More PS3 exclusives head to 360
Nov 26, 2006 - Bloomberg: Sony missed PS3 ship targets
Nov 30, 2006 - Sony shuffles senior execs
Nov 30, 2006 - Analyst: "I cannot imagine a PlayStation 4"
Dec 4, 2006 - Sony Australia: Wii "More Fun" than PS3
Dec 8, 2006 - Court rules for Immersion; Sony to pay up
Dec 11, 2006 - Industry watchers weigh in on "record-low tie ratios" for Wii and PS3 and other results from the month of the new systems' debut.
Dec 19, 2006 - Time says PS3 was a bust
Dec 21, 2006 - Virtua Fighter 5 dukes it out on Xbox 360
Dec 21, 2006 - Sony filed a patent for wiimote style hand-held controler

While it's not all of Sony's fault, they have done little to apologize for their delays and arrogant statements. It's a bad trend that they've started, and the more they continue the more we'll be seeing article after article on Gamespot.....day after day about something else they've done to flaw the PS3's image.

I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of flaming cow responses, but hey that's expected. I can understand their crankiness b/c I know I'd hate to be in their shoes atm. Hopefully Sony will have some sort of eye-opener to the amount of distaste they've started among gaming consumers, and will get back to what they used to do best.
Natural_Mystic

maybe add this article?
http://www.gamingmoments.net/2006/its-official-ps3-is-a-dud-for-sony/
Returns of PS3's bought on release day are swamping retailers.

edit: ok, it's not really an article is it?
18slot

Best. Thread. Ever.

The best thing about it, is that there are still cow ownage sony comments that I've read that haven't been posted yet. Like when Phil Harrison said that there would be 100 blu-ray movies by the end of the year, when that actual number is less than half :lol: or when Phil Harrison said that their controller had actually innovated (in a UK magazine) :lol:

This is cold hard proof that Sony lies, is unprepared, is stupid and that 360/Wii are better options in gaming. It's such a shame since PS2 was such a great console.....

I wish this thread could be stickied. I wonder where all the cows are at the moment....Metroid_Time

My predictions for 2007:

Mid to Late January: PS3 sales fall drastically after holiday season

Mid Febuary: Sony temporarily cuts price to $300/$400, sales go up to 1 million units

Mid March: New Permanent prices: $450 and $550 sales slow down

Late March: After long negotiations, Microsoft gains Metal Gear Solid 4

Late June: Metal Gear Solid 4 is released on both systems, due to bigger base, 360 version sells more.

Late July: HD DVD out sells Blu-Ray 8:1, slowly studios stop supporting Blu-Ray

Mid-August: Sony is losing too much money on the PS3 and stops making them.

This is just my worst-case scenario, I love my PS2 but the future is dim on the PS3

My predictions for 2007:

Mid to Late January: PS3 sales fall drastically after holiday season

Mid Febuary: Sony temporarily cuts price to $300/$400, sales go up to 1 million units

Mid March: New Permanent prices: $450 and $550 sales slow down

Late March: After long negotiations, Microsoft gains Metal Gear Solid 4

Late June: Metal Gear Solid 4 is released on both systems, due to bigger base, 360 version sells more.

Late July: HD DVD out sells Blu-Ray 8:1, slowly studios stop supporting Blu-Ray

Mid-August: Sony is losing too much money on the PS3 and stops making them.

This is just my worst-case scenario, I love my PS2 but the future is dim on the PS3

Damien_Torrence

[QUOTE="Damien_Torrence"]

My predictions for 2007:

Mid to Late January: PS3 sales fall drastically after holiday season

Mid Febuary: Sony temporarily cuts price to $300/$400, sales go up to 1 million units

Mid March: New Permanent prices: $450 and $550 sales slow down

Late March: After long negotiations, Microsoft gains Metal Gear Solid 4

Late June: Metal Gear Solid 4 is released on both systems, due to bigger base, 360 version sells more.

Late July: HD DVD out sells Blu-Ray 8:1, slowly studios stop supporting Blu-Ray

Mid-August: Sony is losing too much money on the PS3 and stops making them.

This is just my worst-case scenario, I love my PS2 but the future is dim on the PS3

EnpiseE-02

Another Two words "Blu Ray"

The problems with Blu-Ray have created extreme cost and execution problems for Sony and now their premier division (instead of being the profit center for Sony) is predicting they will take a $1.5B loss next year largely resulting from this decision. To put this in perspective, just think what would happen if Apple’s iPod group, instead of generating massive profit, suddenly dropped into massive loss. Now you can see why the Sony PlayStation division just changed out their top executives.
All that being said, the killing blow may have been done by Microsoft who decided to bring to market a $200 HD DVD option for their Xbox 360 which has been in market a year longer than Sony and is projected to have a near 20x installed base advantage by year end (10M Xbox 360 to 600K PS3). Note that both projections are aggressive but Sony was supposed to originally ship 2M PS3s into the market during the 4th quarter and actual numbers (given they had under 200K at launch) may be closer to 400K. And with a recall possible there is a chance they might not even make that. Add to this that the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive is for movies only, so each one counts for movie viewing while PS3s may not be used to watch movies and you have a situation where the active movie player advantage by year-end should be between 4x and 6x better for HD DVD over Blu-Ray.
http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback158.htmlcoming

My predictions for 2007:

Mid to Late January: PS3 sales fall drastically after holiday season

Mid Febuary: Sony temporarily cuts price to $300/$400, sales go up to 1 million units

Mid March: New Permanent prices: $450 and $550 sales slow down

Late March: After long negotiations, Microsoft gains Metal Gear Solid 4

Late June: Metal Gear Solid 4 is released on both systems, due to bigger base, 360 version sells more.

Late July: HD DVD out sells Blu-Ray 8:1, slowly studios stop supporting Blu-Ray

Mid-August: Sony is losing too much money on the PS3 and stops making them.

This is just my worst-case scenario, I love my PS2 but the future is dim on the PS3

Damien_Torrence

Wow.  The cow ownage is epic.jvonrader