Sony's new patent supresses used games....

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#1 Posted by Bruce_Benzing (1742 posts) -

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/384922/sony-patents-pre-owned-games-block/

Sony patents pre-owned games block

Technology 'tags' games that have been used in different consoles

Sony Computer Entertainment has filed a patent for technology designed to suppress pre-owned game sales.

PlayStation 4 Screenshot The patent - originally spotted by NeoGAF - describes NFC-style technology that 'tags' individual game copies with informationsuch as whether they have been previously tied to different consoles or user accounts.

The system checks with the tag before playing the game and potentially could block playback of titles that have been purchased second hand.

The filing lines up with previous PS4 rumours claiming that Sony's next console will lock out pre-owned and used games.

The patent reads: "According to the present embodiment, realized is the electronic content processing system that reliably restricts the use of electronic content dealt in the second-hand markets.

"As a result, the dealing of electronic content in the second-hand markets is suppressed, which in turn supports the redistribution of part of proceeds from sales of the electronic content to the developers.

"Though in the following description a game application (AP) is exemplified as the electronic content, the present embodiment is similarly applicable to various kinds of electronic content such as an office suite, images, and music content."

Sony Computer Entertainment America CEO, Jack Tretton has allegedly gone on record that he's against the idea of implementing a used games block, according to a conversation cited by analyst Michael Pachter.

According to Pachter, Tretton's view is that used games are "great for consumers" and to block them would be an "anti-consumer" move. However, it was noted that these are just his personal opinions, and it may well be that Sony Japan, which usually has the last word, feels the opposite.

Employees of studios including Crytek and DICE have said they're open to such a move.

The patent, of course, doesn't guarantee Sony will decide to implement the block.

Other Sony patents unearthed recently include one which describes a system that stops your game and display an advert.

#2 Posted by D4W1L4H (1826 posts) -

cue the popcorn gifs.

#3 Posted by Blabadon (26348 posts) -
The only good thing about Sony's financial status is that this isn't possible for them if they want to be on top ever again.
#4 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26729 posts) -

And any chance of the PS4 succeeding (or having any value) just went right out the window... good going, Sony. :|

#5 Posted by D4W1L4H (1826 posts) -

And any chance of the PS4 succeeding just went right out the window... good going, Sony. :|nintendoboy16

To be fair, it's hasn't been completely confirmed yet.

#6 Posted by TheEroica (13538 posts) -
The only good thing about Sony's financial status is that this isn't possible for them if they want to be on top ever again. Blabadon
Though this is sony we're talking about and they tend to be good for a few head scratching moves with every piece of new hardware they make ... guess we'll see.
#7 Posted by rjdofu (9170 posts) -
If that's true, then fvck you Sony, don't expect me to buy that sh!t.
#8 Posted by freedomfreak (40611 posts) -
Poor used games. People didn't like them, so they're returned :( And now..*sniff*...they will..uh...become totally useless!:cry:
#9 Posted by MrYaotubo (2694 posts) -
It may end up not being the case but it´s very likely that at least one of the upcoming consoles will have that,and with a sony console it looks really likely,but in a way it´s not that surprising,I think everyone knew that once heavier DRM is implemented on consoles it will be way,way worse than DRM on the PC ever was,because on a console there´s absolutely no way around it due to being a closed environment,unlike the PC.
#10 Posted by Sagem28 (10498 posts) -

I honestly don't give a fvck.
I never buy used, I support devs.

I do want backwards compatibility, though. If the PS4 can't play PS3 games I'll be quite upset.

#11 Posted by joel_c17 (2854 posts) -
Same rumour with 720 few months back - move along people
#12 Posted by BPoole96 (22801 posts) -

Wonder what happens if you buy a game and you console breaks. Will the game be tied to that specific console or will it be tied into your PSN ID?

#13 Posted by clyde46 (46294 posts) -
We told you that the industry see second hand game sales in the same light as piracy..... We all told you it was coming.
#14 Posted by Zen_Light (1236 posts) -

No used games means no PS4 purchase for me.

#15 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

If this is true, consoles took what I'd call the final step towards becoming a completely gimped and restricted PC...

The question is, what use do I have from such a system when I already own the "real" thing?

Aside from a few exclusives, I already see very little appeal in consoles, and this would kill it off permanently, fair to say. Hope this patent stays inactive, burried deep in limbo of some storage system for all the eternity, never to be brought up again...

#16 Posted by youpieceopoo (357 posts) -
lol rip golden years
#17 Posted by Fear- (525 posts) -
Dumbass move.
#18 Posted by PAL360 (26883 posts) -

'Thank you Sony'

#19 Posted by caseypayne69 (5390 posts) -
Well fat chance I let my friends borrow games then.
#20 Posted by caseypayne69 (5390 posts) -

Wonder what happens if you buy a game and you console breaks. Will the game be tied to that specific console or will it be tied into your PSN ID?

BPoole96
Good point. I hope it's tied to the I'd. That would be logical.
#21 Posted by delta3074 (18296 posts) -
It's games publishers that will suffer for this, if people cannot Trade in there games towards new ones they wil A)Buy less games anyway B)people will be more careful about there purchases so a games scoring less than a 7 will probably be avoided, i for one will only buy games that i feel are entirely worth the 40 quid i spend on them, as i don't play online i wil probably only buy WRPG's if i cannot trade in my games, i would never have bought half the games i played on my 360 without trading in toward getting them new.
#22 Posted by Miroku32 (8666 posts) -
That would be a stupid move if Sony decides to implement this patent on their ps4.
#23 Posted by Skinon (86 posts) -

I'm more concerned about the part that says, Stopping the game for ads....

If that comes in then i'll definately be heading the hacked route.

#25 Posted by delta3074 (18296 posts) -

I honestly don't give a fvck.
I never buy used, I support devs.

I do want backwards compatibility, though. If the PS4 can't play PS3 games I'll be quite upset.

Sagem28
i only buy games used but i use older games i bought new to trade in towards the Price of buying games new, so by trading games i bought new towards buying games new i am supporting the developer am i not?
#26 Posted by delta3074 (18296 posts) -
Same rumour with 720 few months back - move along peoplejoel_c17
Except MS has not actually patented any ideas like this, TBH this patent sounds exactly like the system MS was rumored to be putting int the next Xbox, i wonder if SONY are patenting it to actually BLOCK MS for using this kind of technology in there next console, SONY patent trolling MS, i woud love to see that,lol
#27 Posted by rjdofu (9170 posts) -
[QUOTE="joel_c17"]Same rumour with 720 few months back - move along peopledelta3074
Except MS has not actually patented any ideas like this, TBH this patent sounds exactly like the system MS was rumored to be putting int the next Xbox, i wonder if SONY are patenting it to actually BLOCK MS for using this kind of technology in there next console, SONY patent trolling MS, i woud love to see that,lol

I can see Sony digging their own grave if they really try to do this.
#28 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

Its just a patent, Sony would lose to many fans if they did this.

#29 Posted by Sagem28 (10498 posts) -

i am supporting the developer am i not?delta3074

I honestly can't tell, your entire post is confusing the hell out of me...

#30 Posted by delta3074 (18296 posts) -

[QUOTE="delta3074"]

i am supporting the developer am i not?Sagem28

I honestly can't tell, your entire post is confusing the hell out of me...

Sorry, let me try to explain it in simpler terms, i buy my games New, day one usually but i use those games to Trade in towards buying more New games when they release day one, in other word, i do trade games in but only to get money towards New games, i don't buy preowned games, don't trust them, i just use the old games i bought new to trade towards New games.
#31 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -
Just another sign that I will be done with consoles altogether after the PS3 and will be PC only. If Sony thought they had a bad round this gen, just watch them fail even harder next gen and I will sit back and laugh at their stupidity.
#32 Posted by Sagem28 (10498 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]

i am supporting the developer am i not?delta3074

I honestly can't tell, your entire post is confusing the hell out of me...

Sorry, let me try to explain it in simpler terms, i buy my games New, day one usually but i use those games to Trade in towards buying more New games when they release day one, in other word, i do trade games in but only to get money towards New games, i don't buy preowned games, don't trust them, i just use the old games i bought new to trade towards New games.

Aaah yes. I get it now :P

I've actually done that too now that I think about it.

#33 Posted by kitty (114739 posts) -

I do want backwards compatibility, though. If the PS4 can't play PS3 games I'll be quite upset.

Sagem28
Wouldn't hold my breathe on b/c. But I want it. :(
#34 Posted by Sagem28 (10498 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

I do want backwards compatibility, though. If the PS4 can't play PS3 games I'll be quite upset.

2ndWonder

Wouldn't hold my breathe on b/c. But I want it. :(

I know..:(

But I'm trying to stay positive. Maybe they'll actually listen to the fans for once.

#35 Posted by delta3074 (18296 posts) -
Just another sign that I will be done with consoles altogether after the PS3 and will be PC only. If Sony thought they had a bad round this gen, just watch them fail even harder next gen and I will sit back and laugh at their stupidity.AmazonTreeBoa
it's just a rumor, and like i said, this patent could actually be a blocking maneuver to stop other console manufactureres from using this kind of Anti-preowned technology in there own consoles, a potential patent troll so to speak.
#36 Posted by rjdofu (9170 posts) -
[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

I do want backwards compatibility, though. If the PS4 can't play PS3 games I'll be quite upset.

2ndWonder
Wouldn't hold my breathe on b/c. But I want it. :(

Knowing Sony, b/c = no no. "Full HD collection" = more likely.
#37 Posted by delta3074 (18296 posts) -

[QUOTE="2ndWonder"][QUOTE="Sagem28"]

I do want backwards compatibility, though. If the PS4 can't play PS3 games I'll be quite upset.

Sagem28

Wouldn't hold my breathe on b/c. But I want it. :(

I know..:(

But I'm trying to stay positive. Maybe they'll actually listen to the fans for once.

i am too, it's something i want as well.
#38 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -

I honestly don't give a fvck.
I never buy used, I support devs.

I do want backwards compatibility, though. If the PS4 can't play PS3 games I'll be quite upset.

Sagem28
tell me, wasn't there ever a time when you wanted to track an old PS1 or PS2 game that you didn't buy it back in the day for whatever reason? Well, good luck doing it for a console that implements this feature
#39 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -
[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Just another sign that I will be done with consoles altogether after the PS3 and will be PC only. If Sony thought they had a bad round this gen, just watch them fail even harder next gen and I will sit back and laugh at their stupidity.delta3074
it's just a rumor, and like i said, this patent could actually be a blocking maneuver to stop other console manufactureres from using this kind of Anti-preowned technology in there own consoles, a potential patent troll so to speak.

Well if Sony want me to purchase the PS4, then this better stay a rumor a troll block.
#40 Posted by Sagem28 (10498 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

I honestly don't give a fvck.
I never buy used, I support devs.

I do want backwards compatibility, though. If the PS4 can't play PS3 games I'll be quite upset.

rilpas

tell me, wasn't there ever a time when you wanted to track an old PS1 or PS2 game that you didn't buy it back in the day for whatever reason? Well, good luck doing it for a console that implements this feature

I actually did that last year.

Got both Persona 3 and 4 for the PS2.
New copies.

#41 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="Sagem28"]

I honestly don't give a fvck.
I never buy used, I support devs.

I do want backwards compatibility, though. If the PS4 can't play PS3 games I'll be quite upset.

Sagem28

tell me, wasn't there ever a time when you wanted to track an old PS1 or PS2 game that you didn't buy it back in the day for whatever reason? Well, good luck doing it for a console that implements this feature

I actually did that last year.

Got both Persona 3 and 4 for the PS2.
New copies.

Still, you'll have to agree that it will be harder for you to find new copie of old games if it's impossible to buy used copies

#42 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -
[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Just another sign that I will be done with consoles altogether after the PS3 and will be PC only. If Sony thought they had a bad round this gen, just watch them fail even harder next gen and I will sit back and laugh at their stupidity.delta3074
it's just a rumor, and like i said, this patent could actually be a blocking maneuver to stop other console manufactureres from using this kind of Anti-preowned technology in there own consoles, a potential patent troll so to speak.

In fact, if this turned out to be true and they block used games. I think I would kick Sony in the balls even harder by cutting their brand out of my life altogether and never buy anything Sony again. No TVs, No stereos, no nothing.
#43 Posted by amaneuvering (4015 posts) -

This kind of stuff is just not good.

When companies start going down this kind of path I say welcome to the pirates.

#44 Posted by CanYouDiglt (7472 posts) -
No buying used games at Gamestop, no renting games, no borrowing games, no Gamefly
#45 Posted by Sagem28 (10498 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"] tell me, wasn't there ever a time when you wanted to track an old PS1 or PS2 game that you didn't buy it back in the day for whatever reason? Well, good luck doing it for a console that implements this featurerilpas

I actually did that last year.

Got both Persona 3 and 4 for the PS2.
New copies.

Still, you'll have to agree that it will be harder for you to find new copie of old games if it's impossible to buy used copies

Goes without saying.

But we would be the minority of people, most people would buy "new" games used.

#46 Posted by tormentos (18129 posts) -
Prepare for a battle sony,your biggest opponent Gamestop... Alto i think that sony will also have problems on US,because you have the right to sell anything you have,this will prevent you from selling something you legally own,i have hopes sony isn't that stupid.
#47 Posted by delta3074 (18296 posts) -
Just another sign that I will be done with consoles altogether after the PS3 and will be PC only. If Sony thought they had a bad round this gen, just watch them fail even harder next gen and I will sit back and laugh at their stupidity.AmazonTreeBoa
i understand your concern and i can imagine MS doing something like this but my head kinda rejects the Idea osf SONY doing this, it doesn't sound right, i don't feel that SONY is the kind of company to do something like this, they where prepared to bankrupt themselves this generation to keep there userbase generally happy.
#48 Posted by delta3074 (18296 posts) -
[QUOTE="tormentos"]Prepare for a battle sony,your biggest opponent Gamestop... Alto i think that sony will also have problems on US,because you have the right to sell anything you have,this will prevent you from selling something you legally own,i have hopes sony isn't that stupid.

the right of second sale i think we have Laws very similar over here in blighty, Being able to sell your old stuff and buy second hand is a consumer right in this country.
#49 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

I think they should use DLC as an incentive to buy new, and online passes as a incentive not to buy used. If you pre-order a game you should get all the DLC available and all future DLC for free, if you buy used a chunk of the games content should be locked out. I think that would be a much better way to counter used game sales.

#50 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

I actually did that last year.

Got both Persona 3 and 4 for the PS2.
New copies.

Sagem28

Still, you'll have to agree that it will be harder for you to find new copie of old games if it's impossible to buy used copies

Goes without saying.

But we would be the minority of people, most people would buy "new" games used.

yeah that much is true