Sony Still Bleeding: Games Division "Lackluster"

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#51 Edited by Heil68 (43462 posts) -

@shawn30: might have been epic if it wasn't the 10000th time Heil copied and pasted that. Dude has become as lazy and predictable as his bovine brethren. Sad since he used to be somewhat entertaining. :(

That was NOT a copy and paste. IO had to work at that and hence #legendary status. But tell you what I'll stop posting it if you stop post "You mad brah?"..lmao

#52 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150329 posts) -

@Murderstyle75 said:

@kuu2:

Since profits have never come even close to making up for the losses, Microsoft isn't making jack shit off the brand. Its only going to get worse since the XO will create losses for a very long time. Now if the 360 couldn't recoup the losses, what makes you think X0 will.

As for Sony? They have seen losses as well however their loses have little to nothing to do with their gaming division.

Most of it is from their television market. And a big chunk of it which people ignore are deferred tax credits. Basically money they never made to begin with but still have to report as losses.

I am going to assume you do not have an understanding of either finance or accounting. The losses from original Xbox are irrelevant in assessing the success or otherwise of the 360 from a financial perspective. Or from an X1 forward investment perspective.

Similarly, one does not make decisions at Ford about the current viability or future prospects of the Mustang by adding up the results of all the years since it was introduced in 1964.

Uh WTF? If a division has consistently lost money...then yes the company does look at that as part of the viability of the line. Not future "predictions".

#53 Posted by mems_1224 (46547 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@shawn30: might have been epic if it wasn't the 10000th time Heil copied and pasted that. Dude has become as lazy and predictable as his bovine brethren. Sad since he used to be somewhat entertaining. :(

That was NOT a copy and paste. IO had to work at that and hence #legendary status. But tell you what I'll stop posting it if you stop post "You mad brah?"..lmao

No deal!

#54 Edited by kuu2 (6967 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

And Sony doesn't have shareholders?????

The Xbox division has been making money for years. It lost money early but is now profitable year over year. Sony's gaming division has lost money year over year for almost the last decade.

False, the Xbox division still hasn't made any net profit.

Xbone could be the last Xbox console.

Either you can't read that chart, can't understand what I wrote, or willfully ignorant. That chart says exactly what I said. The Xbox division is making money year over year now. That last bar in the chart is a cumulative total which has nothing to do with anything. No company judges divisions like that chart shows. An investor would look at that chart and would be jumping for joy.

Sony continues to be losing money in their games division. 8million last quarter to be exact.

Keep trying and please educate yourself.

#55 Edited by LJS9502_basic (150329 posts) -

@kuu2: Found this quote for you....“Microsoft makes nothing from its Xbox/Kinect entertainment division, while losing vast sums in its on-line division (negative $350M-$750M/quarter).

From Forbes. 2013

#56 Posted by kuu2 (6967 posts) -

@kuu2: Found this quote for you....“Microsoft makes nothing from its Xbox/Kinect entertainment division, while losing vast sums in its on-line division (negative $350M-$750M/quarter).

From Forbes. 2013

Um, that article has nothing to do with Xbox/Kinect. There is also no reference to Forbes it comes from Business Insider.

Also why are you deflecting on Sony's failures currently???

Figures lie, and liars figure.

Keep trying Sony Fan. Maybe Sony can sell more buildings.

#57 Edited by Murderstyle75 (4165 posts) -

@kuu2:

Figures only lie to lemmings when they are not pro Microsoft. Does it feel good worshipping a plastic box?

And that chart shows Microsoft hasn't recouped their losses not only from just the first console but the second console as well. What good are 360 profits when you had to take an even bigger hit to get them? That puts you still in the red. It will get worse with the Xbox One because the first few years at least will be even more loss.

#58 Edited by LJS9502_basic (150329 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@kuu2: Found this quote for you....“Microsoft makes nothing from its Xbox/Kinect entertainment division, while losing vast sums in its on-line division (negative $350M-$750M/quarter).

From Forbes. 2013

Um, that article has nothing to do with Xbox/Kinect. There is also no reference to Forbes it comes from Business Insider.

Also why are you deflecting on Sony's failures currently???

Figures lie, and liars figure.

Keep trying Sony Fan. Maybe Sony can sell more buildings.

That quote wasn't from that article. It was a link they had in the article which I unlinked. The quote was what was important...the source was Forbes which I gave you. The year was 2013...which I gave you.

And just because I don't kiss MS' ass doesn't make me a Sony Fan. I buy all the consoles. If I were a fan of any console maker...it was SEGA back in the day. Still think the DC was the best ever.

#59 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -
#60 Posted by shawn30 (4364 posts) -

@kuu2:

Figures only lie to lemmings when they are not pro Microsoft. Does it feel good worshipping a plastic box?

And that chart shows Microsoft hasn't recouped their losses not only from just the first console but the second console as well. What good are 360 profits when you had to take an even bigger hit to get them? That puts you still in the red. It will get worse with the Xbox One because the first few years at least will be even more loss.

First year maybe, but going forward with Live and selling each system at a profit, the business end of the Xbox One will do very well even if overall sales lag behind the PS4 who are selling at a loss in hopes of gaining traction trough services, ect. There's no worship here, but common sense.

#61 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@kuu2 said:

@Murderstyle75 said:

@kuu2:

Answer me this. What were the "Killer" PS2 launch titles?

Sony also already gave two new IP's this year while Microsoft gave none.

Releasing great games at launch is a huge waste of money and releasing something like TLOU on the next gen instead of the current gen most likely means less than 1 million sold instead of the 4 million it already sold.

They didn't have any. They also were going up against two crippled companies in Sega and Nintendo when the PS2 launched. Playing against the juggernaut MSoft is an entirely different matter.

Please stop comparing the PS2 era to this upcoming one. Sega was bankrupt before the Dreamcast even launched much like Sony this go around. Nintendo was also in the crapper with the GameCube and MSoft did not launch their first system until a year after the PS2. Nothing is similar about that gen and this one.

Oh come on be honest. Juggernaut? MS only leads in NA. That's not juggernaut. And Sony has either caught up or passed MS in consoles sold with one less year on the market. Juggernaut my ass.

As far as a company MSoft is bigger than Sega, Sony, and Nintendo combined. Their Xbox business is a babe in the woods compared to Sony and Nintendo and yet they took market share from Sony last gen almost crippling the company.

Like I said earlier I don't want to see the PlayStation brand fail but man it is looking very grim at this point.

LOL at gloating over a companies money. How did MS money help them with Zune?

#62 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -

@SUD123456:

Did you even look at the chart? Even without the original Xbox. 360 era losses were still greater than profit.

Dont bother, Sud wil defend MS until he turns blue.

#64 Posted by gensigns (1477 posts) -

Holy Shnikes! A 12% drop for SNE this morning alone. Kaz better start updating his resume.

#65 Edited by shawn30 (4364 posts) -

@NineTailedGoku said:

@kuu2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@kuu2 said:

@Murderstyle75 said:

@kuu2:

Answer me this. What were the "Killer" PS2 launch titles?

Sony also already gave two new IP's this year while Microsoft gave none.

Releasing great games at launch is a huge waste of money and releasing something like TLOU on the next gen instead of the current gen most likely means less than 1 million sold instead of the 4 million it already sold.

They didn't have any. They also were going up against two crippled companies in Sega and Nintendo when the PS2 launched. Playing against the juggernaut MSoft is an entirely different matter.

Please stop comparing the PS2 era to this upcoming one. Sega was bankrupt before the Dreamcast even launched much like Sony this go around. Nintendo was also in the crapper with the GameCube and MSoft did not launch their first system until a year after the PS2. Nothing is similar about that gen and this one.

Oh come on be honest. Juggernaut? MS only leads in NA. That's not juggernaut. And Sony has either caught up or passed MS in consoles sold with one less year on the market. Juggernaut my ass.

As far as a company MSoft is bigger than Sega, Sony, and Nintendo combined. Their Xbox business is a babe in the woods compared to Sony and Nintendo and yet they took market share from Sony last gen almost crippling the company.

Like I said earlier I don't want to see the PlayStation brand fail but man it is looking very grim at this point.

LOL at gloating over a companies money. How did MS money help them with Zune?

It didn't. Zune was a failure, and the Surface is struggling mightily. Windows Phones aren't doing well. Xbox 360 lost its first month in years to the PS3.

And yet MS is worth likely twice the combined worth of Sony, Nintendo, and Sega. They made a very nice profit this last quarter.

http://www.channelbuzz.ca/2013/10/microsoft-cloud-device-company-posts-strong-quarterly-earnings-8136/

"Microsoft Corp. surprised the market with a stronger-than-expected earnings report that shows a jump in its business-class software and cloud products, as well as an uptick in adoption of its Surface tablets and other devices.

Earnings for the first quarter ending in September were up 17 percent to $18.5 billion over the same period in 2012. Moreover, profits rose a strong 16 percent to $4.5 billion, driven mostly on the sale of its cloud services — Office 365, hosted servers and Azure platform — as well as server software.

Even better for Microsoft: Its Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2 are seeing stronger than expected sales. The uptick in demand shows Microsoft can compete in the mobile device segment as fading interest in traditional desktop and laptop PCs continues to drag down demand for its Windows operating system.

“We are seeing lots of consumer excitement for Xbox One, Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2, and the full spectrum of Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone devices,” outgoing Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said in a statement."

No gloating here. MS is just a juggernaut financially and in very good shape as a company. Its as much a fact as the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. Can't fight facts. But we don't play financial spreadsheets anymore than we play specs. We play games. Neither system will come close to failing, but MS sees the One as a long term investment in getting in your home livingroom. If it fails they'll eat it and keep going cause they're business model is set to win day one on every damn purchase. The PS4 means far more to Sony as that company is in very bad financial shape. Selling real estate to pay bills speaks volumes. The only people that will be sad if the One fails are people like me who want the system. MS will simply move on to whatever else is on the drawing board. The PS4 cannot fail for Sony. It can't. Period. They cannot afford for it to fail. Did any division in Sony made a profit last quarter? Like even one? Even the movies or music?

#66 Posted by AM-Gamer (3580 posts) -

@kuu2: They lost a little money right before a new console launched? LOL will see who's talking next quarter.

#67 Edited by treedoor (7648 posts) -

No wonder Sony is increasing the fee to play online games by $50. That's a lot of extra money in Sony's pocket.

Good thing their fans were so willing to bend over for it.

#68 Posted by always_explicit (2714 posts) -

Sony need to make this console sell. Even the most hardened cow knows that from a financial perspective the PS3 was a disaster.

#69 Posted by MajesticShea (695 posts) -

"Only one who's life is so pathetic can be celebratory over one's whom they've never encountered"

That's why people like celebrity's.

#70 Posted by RossRichard (2337 posts) -

Just wondering, any of you actually read the article?

#71 Edited by jimmypsn (4425 posts) -

One step closer to Sony's doom. Loving it.

#72 Posted by Jakandsigz (4512 posts) -

@kuu2:

Since profits have never come even close to making up for the losses, Microsoft isn't making jack shit off the brand. Its only going to get worse since the XO will create losses for a very long time. Now if the 360 couldn't recoup the losses, what makes you think X0 will.

As for Sony? They have seen losses as well however their loses have little to nothing to do with their gaming division.

Most of it is from their television market. And a big chunk of it which people ignore are deferred tax credits. Basically money they never made to begin with but still have to report as losses.

This is dumb. The Xbox first, and the Xbox 360 both sold at a loss, the former the whole gen, and sure, the 360 got back up faster to making a profit, which you are ignoring because moo, but the 360 still sold at a loss.

The X1 will break even or make profit at launch per console sale, a COMPLETELY different outcome unless they sell less than the Wii U in the same time frame as the current Wii U sales data.

Also Sony at the start of this gen, the PS brand lost more money faster and the most for a long time, of any division even the TV division until later.

#73 Posted by Infinite_Access (2480 posts) -

Dat 720p damage control obviously

#75 Posted by RossRichard (2337 posts) -

If any of you actually read the article, you would see that the games division losses are mostly due to the Vita price cut and differences in currency exchange rates. You fanboys are really trying way too hard.

#76 Posted by Heil68 (43462 posts) -

However, the 5.1% increase transforms into a 14% decrease when the tumbling value of the Yen becomes stacked against the Dollar and Euro.

Nothing but great new there.

#77 Posted by cainetao11 (16892 posts) -

The problem with cows bringing up the xbox division losses is, the entirety of Sony is at a loss. The entirety of MS isn't. Big difference folks.

#78 Posted by gago-gago (9354 posts) -

But didn't you see the huge list of upcoming Sony games that's going to come out on time guaranteed, that won't be canceled, and be hits and not flop?

#79 Edited by SUD123456 (4417 posts) -

@SUD123456:

Did you even look at the chart? Even without the original Xbox. 360 era losses were still greater than profit.

LOL. Do you even know what you are looking at with that graph?

Do you know that X360 era would start in FY06 on that graph? And even then you would need to remove $150MM of the FY06 losses which occurred before 360 launched?

And that FY13 has come and gone so you can add $850MM on the positive side based on the divisions profit for FY13?

And that if you then update the stupid graph, the division has already passed into positive territory during the 360 era.

Of course, none of that matters since there are multiple products within the EDD division as there have been with the various divisions PS3 has been in since launch; meaning that none of us has the information to determine the actual profitability of either of PS360. Which renders that graph totally meaningless.

So again, it appears you have no understanding of finance or accounting.

#80 Posted by thegamer00 (131 posts) -

Yeah I saw the 12 percent drop this afternoon. Crazy times ahead for Sony Corp.

#81 Posted by GhoX (4797 posts) -

Last time I checked, Sony has an overall profitability of 1.4%, and its gaming division contributed only 2% to that measly profit. The profitability of the gaming division itself was around 0.2%. It really is quite abysmal compared to Microsoft's gaming division and Nintendo. Sony will literally be more profitable if they just become a life insurance company.

#82 Posted by Suppaman100 (3775 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@kuu2 said:

And Sony doesn't have shareholders?????

The Xbox division has been making money for years. It lost money early but is now profitable year over year. Sony's gaming division has lost money year over year for almost the last decade.

False, the Xbox division still hasn't made any net profit.

Xbone could be the last Xbox console.

Either you can't read that chart, can't understand what I wrote, or willfully ignorant. That chart says exactly what I said. The Xbox division is making money year over year now. That last bar in the chart is a cumulative total which has nothing to do with anything. No company judges divisions like that chart shows. An investor would look at that chart and would be jumping for joy.

Sony continues to be losing money in their games division. 8million last quarter to be exact.

Keep trying and please educate yourself.

Lol I know you had a lot to endure with the failure that is Xbone and especially with the 720p debacle.

But let's look at the facts here.

1. Xbox has made NO profit at all for MS.

2. Important shareholders want MS to dump the Xbox division

3. you're butthurt.

#83 Edited by Evo_nine (1647 posts) -

LOL

ive been saying this over and over. Sony made a bad decision to lose $60 per console this generation.

They are in no position to do such a thing. They need to wipe the floor this generation or there will be no ps5.

I hope they succeed because xbox needs competition.

#84 Posted by kuu2 (6967 posts) -

Lol I know you had a lot to endure with the failure that is Xbone and especially with the 720p debacle.

But let's look at the facts here.

1. Xbox has made NO profit at all for MS.

2. Important shareholders want MS to dump the Xbox division

3. you're butthurt.

And nothing you wrote deflects the fact that Sony is bleeding money as a games division, a company, and is on the brink of bankruptcy.

Carry on Sony Fan while the titanic sinks around you.

#85 Posted by Stringerboy (6948 posts) -

OPEN THE DOOR

GET ON THE FLOOR

AIN'T NO GAMES FOR THE PS4.

#86 Posted by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

PS4 Gonna be retired in 2016.

#87 Posted by downnice95 (89 posts) -

Sony game division weak? What does MS have besides Halo? Gears of War is done and Forza is a clone of GT.

Sony sold 78 million according to the IDC and the Xbox 360 has 79 it is the SAME!

And because Sony is a better company the PS3 will destroy the XBONE

#88 Posted by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

Sony game division weak? What does MS have besides Halo? Gears of War is done and Forza is a clone of GT.

Sony sold 78 million according to the IDC and the Xbox 360 has 79 it is the SAME!

And because Sony is a better company the PS3 will destroy the XBONE

No it won't, Game sales are pretty much the same, and casuals will love the XBONE.

Stay mad, PS4 retiring in 2016

#89 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150329 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@downnice95 said:

Sony game division weak? What does MS have besides Halo? Gears of War is done and Forza is a clone of GT.

Sony sold 78 million according to the IDC and the Xbox 360 has 79 it is the SAME!

And because Sony is a better company the PS3 will destroy the XBONE

No it won't, Game sales are pretty much the same, and casuals will love the XBONE.

Stay mad, PS4 retiring in 2016

Casuals tend to be the less expensive console.

#90 Edited by Chutebox (36628 posts) -

Are divisions supposed to magically make money while pushing out new systems that haven't sold yet?

#91 Posted by Suppaman100 (3775 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

Lol I know you had a lot to endure with the failure that is Xbone and especially with the 720p debacle.

But let's look at the facts here.

1. Xbox has made NO profit at all for MS.

2. Important shareholders want MS to dump the Xbox division

3. you're butthurt.

And nothing you wrote deflects the fact that Sony is bleeding money as a games division, a company, and is on the brink of bankruptcy.

Carry on Sony Fan while the titanic sinks around you.

Lol it's incredible how you lemmings live in full denial.

The only titanic that's sinking is the Xbox division. http://microsoft-news.com/activist-shareholders-may-force-microsoft-to-sell-xbox-bing/

And the future doesn't look that bright with Xbone.

PS4 >>>> dogsh*t>>>>Xbone

Also lol at you thinking Sony will go bankrupt. They're still in the green thanks to their life insurance division. Look at this interview, Sony is ok.

But hey since you're so far up in MS's ass why won't we make a bet?

If Xbone sells more than PS4, I'll leave SW. If PS4 sells more than Xbone, you leave SW.

In the mean time have fun with your weaker, more expensive, casual orientated, 720p inferior gaming experiences, cablebox. LOL

#92 Posted by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@downnice95 said:

Sony game division weak? What does MS have besides Halo? Gears of War is done and Forza is a clone of GT.

Sony sold 78 million according to the IDC and the Xbox 360 has 79 it is the SAME!

And because Sony is a better company the PS3 will destroy the XBONE

No it won't, Game sales are pretty much the same, and casuals will love the XBONE.

Stay mad, PS4 retiring in 2016

Casuals tend to be the less expensive console.

American brand

American football on it

TV on it

Videogames on it

It's the meaning of Casual.

#93 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150329 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Lumpy311 said:

@downnice95 said:

Sony game division weak? What does MS have besides Halo? Gears of War is done and Forza is a clone of GT.

Sony sold 78 million according to the IDC and the Xbox 360 has 79 it is the SAME!

And because Sony is a better company the PS3 will destroy the XBONE

No it won't, Game sales are pretty much the same, and casuals will love the XBONE.

Stay mad, PS4 retiring in 2016

Casuals tend to be the less expensive console.

American brand

American football on it

TV on it

Videogames on it

It's the meaning of Casual.

MS isn't exactly beloved here....and casuals don't pay that much attention to console launches. I can say the commercials here so far are only about games. Which doesn't really differentiate it. And again...cost.

#94 Edited by Chutebox (36628 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Lumpy311 said:

@downnice95 said:

Sony game division weak? What does MS have besides Halo? Gears of War is done and Forza is a clone of GT.

Sony sold 78 million according to the IDC and the Xbox 360 has 79 it is the SAME!

And because Sony is a better company the PS3 will destroy the XBONE

No it won't, Game sales are pretty much the same, and casuals will love the XBONE.

Stay mad, PS4 retiring in 2016

Casuals tend to be the less expensive console.

American brand

American football on it

TV on it

Videogames on it

It's the meaning of Casual.

Everything you just mentioned is what everyone already has, minus the videogames.

#95 Posted by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

@Chutebox said:

@Lumpy311 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Lumpy311 said:

@downnice95 said:

Sony game division weak? What does MS have besides Halo? Gears of War is done and Forza is a clone of GT.

Sony sold 78 million according to the IDC and the Xbox 360 has 79 it is the SAME!

And because Sony is a better company the PS3 will destroy the XBONE

No it won't, Game sales are pretty much the same, and casuals will love the XBONE.

Stay mad, PS4 retiring in 2016

Casuals tend to be the less expensive console.

American brand

American football on it

TV on it

Videogames on it

It's the meaning of Casual.

Everything you just mentioned is what everyone already has, minus the videogames.

Now that's all in a single box.

#96 Edited by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Lumpy311 said:

@downnice95 said:

Sony game division weak? What does MS have besides Halo? Gears of War is done and Forza is a clone of GT.

Sony sold 78 million according to the IDC and the Xbox 360 has 79 it is the SAME!

And because Sony is a better company the PS3 will destroy the XBONE

No it won't, Game sales are pretty much the same, and casuals will love the XBONE.

Stay mad, PS4 retiring in 2016

Casuals tend to be the less expensive console.

American brand

American football on it

TV on it

Videogames on it

It's the meaning of Casual.

MS isn't exactly beloved here....and casuals don't pay that much attention to console launches. I can say the commercials here so far are only about games. Which doesn't really differentiate it. And again...cost.

Exactly, casuals don't give a crap about MS's awful reveal and the 180s, they see the Football, they see the action packed games, they see the graphics, and they see the American brand.

#97 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150329 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@Chutebox said:

@Lumpy311 said:

American brand

American football on it

TV on it

Videogames on it

It's the meaning of Casual.

Everything you just mentioned is what everyone already has, minus the videogames.

Now that's all in a single box.

One single unnecessary box. The only thing I don't have right now is a new game console. Two things decide which I buy....games and cost.

#98 Posted by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@Chutebox said:

@Lumpy311 said:

American brand

American football on it

TV on it

Videogames on it

It's the meaning of Casual.

Everything you just mentioned is what everyone already has, minus the videogames.

Now that's all in a single box.

One single unnecessary box. The only thing I don't have right now is a new game console. Two things decide which I buy....games and cost.

You are inserting your opinion in the argument, the casual sees different things from you.

#99 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150329 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Lumpy311 said:

@Chutebox said:

Everything you just mentioned is what everyone already has, minus the videogames.

Now that's all in a single box.

One single unnecessary box. The only thing I don't have right now is a new game console. Two things decide which I buy....games and cost.

You are inserting your opinion in the argument, the casual sees different things from you.

Right...they go by price. Football is on TV...it's not necessary to have an Xbox to watch it.

#100 Edited by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Lumpy311 said:

@Chutebox said:

Everything you just mentioned is what everyone already has, minus the videogames.

Now that's all in a single box.

One single unnecessary box. The only thing I don't have right now is a new game console. Two things decide which I buy....games and cost.

You are inserting your opinion in the argument, the casual sees different things from you.

Right...they go by price. Football is on TV...it's not necessary to have an Xbox to watch it.

Are you seriously ignoring everything else the XBONE can do?

Obvious Sony fanboy, can't see how a casual is gonna react to a well known, reliable brand.