Sony pretty much saved gaming this generation

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#101 Edited by Desmonic (14113 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

I'm so happy this was the first response. Destroyed the thread right at the start

Also jeez people, learn how the new quote system works and stop quoting HUGE bloody chains of messages

NEVER! lol

#103 Posted by cainetao11 (17595 posts) -

@AzatiS said:

One of the main reasons why i think Sony "saved" next-gen gaming is that they could had EASILY FOLLOW MS pathetic and anti-consumer policies as well to maximise their profits etc..

But they didnt even with multibillion losses while at the same time they FORCED MS to reverse their policies as well , something beneficial for MS fanboys as well.

If Sony would had follow those policies which they easily could dont even think about MS reversing. So , lemmings , be respectful.

For one, Sony has followed MS, as I like many here said they would with the PS4, by charging for MP. Two, after the backlash MS got from their policies, NOBODY would have followed them. That's like crediting MS for having a $300 360 at launch instead of charging $600 like Sony was going to do. It makes no sense. And TC, you can only save something that is in danger of dying. Gaming was/is not dying.

#104 Edited by shellcase86 (1934 posts) -

I'm just happy they were able to continue to offer some quality gaming experiences.

#105 Edited by SKaREO (3161 posts) -

I've been a pc gamer forever, like 25 years. Sony has the best computer entertainment in the industry and they deserve a ton of respect.

#106 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28401 posts) -

I'll reiterate the length of the generation ""saved"" the generation If it had ended a year ago all those games would be ps4 games.

#107 Edited by WilliamRLBaker (28401 posts) -

@John_Matherson said:

@tagyhag: How about you tell me 5 must have games for the 360 AFTER MGS4 was released. Otherwise...well, nevermind lemmings are already...lemmings..

You mean sub hd, 90% cutscene, low quality textures, no trophies, multiple 8 minute installs, 3 years to get a patch MGs4?

#108 Posted by Fizzman (9882 posts) -

PC's saved this generation.

#109 Edited by fadersdream (3153 posts) -

The history of "right now"

Sometimes it seems like users just popped into existence and are trying to explain an entire generation of history without having lived it.

Not that they have no clue, but as though they're reading points off a spreadsheet.

Sony saved itself from itself, other than that the king of this generation has been third party.

#110 Edited by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

If there was no Xbox 360, with no one around to give Sony a kick for their post-PS2 arrogance, this would've been one sad gen. MS saved the PS3, if there was no strong competition at the start, it would've ended as an entirely ass-backwards system.

So, no. Sony didn't save anything.

#111 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@AzatiS said:

One of the main reasons why i think Sony "saved" next-gen gaming is that they could had EASILY FOLLOW MS pathetic and anti-consumer policies as well to maximise their profits etc..

But they didnt even with multibillion losses while at the same time they FORCED MS to reverse their policies as well , something beneficial for MS fanboys as well.

If Sony would had follow those policies which they easily could dont even think about MS reversing. So , lemmings , be respectful.

For one, Sony has followed MS, as I like many here said they would with the PS4, by charging for MP. Two, after the backlash MS got from their policies, NOBODY would have followed them. That's like crediting MS for having a $300 360 at launch instead of charging $600 like Sony was going to do. It makes no sense. And TC, you can only save something that is in danger of dying. Gaming was/is not dying.

How is charging for something that was free followiing? Thats quite a stretch. Sony wanted to make PSN better and that costs money, Why would they position themselves to take a loss for that when MS is making money off LIVE. If Xbox fans complained about paying for XBL, then they would both be free now.

#112 Edited by Chozofication (2881 posts) -

No, they didn't. This generation has been pathetic and Sony contributed quite a bit to it. All 3 consoles had so many problems and so many games were shit, so many copy and paste "blockbuster" games, I could go on for hours explaining...

But, Sony did make some good decisions and that's carrying over completely to the PS4, which could be a console for the ages as well as Wii U. I'm glad we're putting this awful generation behind.

#113 Edited by cainetao11 (17595 posts) -

@NineTailedGoku:

@NineTailedGoku said:

@cainetao11 said:

@AzatiS said:

One of the main reasons why i think Sony "saved" next-gen gaming is that they could had EASILY FOLLOW MS pathetic and anti-consumer policies as well to maximise their profits etc..

But they didnt even with multibillion losses while at the same time they FORCED MS to reverse their policies as well , something beneficial for MS fanboys as well.

If Sony would had follow those policies which they easily could dont even think about MS reversing. So , lemmings , be respectful.

For one, Sony has followed MS, as I like many here said they would with the PS4, by charging for MP. Two, after the backlash MS got from their policies, NOBODY would have followed them. That's like crediting MS for having a $300 360 at launch instead of charging $600 like Sony was going to do. It makes no sense. And TC, you can only save something that is in danger of dying. Gaming was/is not dying.

How is charging for something that was free followiing? Thats quite a stretch. Sony wanted to make PSN better and that costs money, Why would they position themselves to take a loss for that when MS is making money off LIVE. If Xbox fans complained about paying for XBL, then they would both be free now.

I.........don't even.........are you serious? Sony themselves touted PSN as the place where online will remain free. Uh, guess not. Its following because, their competition ALREADY charged for it. If Sony, a company about 6 billion in debt, hadn't taken note of MS making money by placing MP behind the paywall, then they wouldn't have this new revenue stream, which unlike this past gen, was mostly optional. Please tell me you weren't serious.

#114 Posted by heretrix (37382 posts) -

Sony saved gaming so much that the 360 kicked it's ass in sales for the entire generation. Fantastic job Sony.

#115 Posted by Caseytappy (2141 posts) -

MS saved the start of last gen when Sony had nothing and Sony made up for it in the end .

Conclusion = Unless you are a blind fanboy both company's saved Jack Shit and ended equal .

Market share wise MS gained the ground Sony lost .

#116 Posted by cainetao11 (17595 posts) -

@Caseytappy said:

MS saved the start of last gen when Sony had nothing and Sony made up for it in the end .

Conclusion = Unless you are a blind fanboy both company's saved Jack Shit and ended equal .

Market share wise MS gained the ground Sony lost .

Dude that truth will hurt some here. It's mind numbing how stupid some are, huh?

#117 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@NineTailedGoku:

@NineTailedGoku said:

@cainetao11 said:

@AzatiS said:

One of the main reasons why i think Sony "saved" next-gen gaming is that they could had EASILY FOLLOW MS pathetic and anti-consumer policies as well to maximise their profits etc..

But they didnt even with multibillion losses while at the same time they FORCED MS to reverse their policies as well , something beneficial for MS fanboys as well.

If Sony would had follow those policies which they easily could dont even think about MS reversing. So , lemmings , be respectful.

For one, Sony has followed MS, as I like many here said they would with the PS4, by charging for MP. Two, after the backlash MS got from their policies, NOBODY would have followed them. That's like crediting MS for having a $300 360 at launch instead of charging $600 like Sony was going to do. It makes no sense. And TC, you can only save something that is in danger of dying. Gaming was/is not dying.

How is charging for something that was free followiing? Thats quite a stretch. Sony wanted to make PSN better and that costs money, Why would they position themselves to take a loss for that when MS is making money off LIVE. If Xbox fans complained about paying for XBL, then they would both be free now.

I.........don't even.........are you serious? Sony themselves touted PSN as the place where online will remain free. Uh, guess not. Its following because, their competition ALREADY charged for it. If Sony, a company about 6 billion in debt, hadn't taken note of MS making money by placing MP behind the paywall, then they wouldn't have this new revenue stream, which unlike this past gen, was mostly optional. Please tell me you weren't serious.

Yes, thats very true. Free online was touted by Sony for years. I agree with you on that. However, free PSN wasn't appreciated by the mainstream and got trashed by gamers touting XBL as better, espeically in America. Sony doesn't want to be thought off as having an inferior product, so they adjusted to make it better. With MS making all that money, I don't see why Sony should take the loss on bettering PSN, especially with PS+ giving a good value out of the gate to begin with. I wouldn't call that copying.

#118 Posted by blackace (20753 posts) -

@Fizzman said:

PC's saved this generation.

PC's don't have generations. So......... lol!!

#119 Posted by cainetao11 (17595 posts) -

@NineTailedGoku:

Well its you, wouldn't call it copying. But in the really real world that's exactly what they did. Spin it how u want. Bettering PSN costs money, blah, blah. They saw that revenue stream and said YES PLEASE, we are in a 6 billion $ hole and don't want to sell anymore buildings. SNE-NYSE I own ADRs of this company. It is copying something that they tried to use as a negative against MS not too long ago.

#120 Edited by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -

@heretrix said:

Sony saved gaming so much that the 360 kicked it's ass in sales for the entire generation. Fantastic job Sony.

Um, PS3 has been outselling 360 since 2007. How do you think it surpassed 360 in sales this gen when it started off 9 million units behind. 1 yr headstart, that is all. Your fanboy is showing.

#121 Edited by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

@blackace: So if it doesn't have any gens, then every single game ever released for the PC can be used to tout superiority over the peasants? That means we have even more AAAs, AAs, and As.

#122 Posted by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

@NineTailedGoku:

You do realize the 360 has won the gen, right?

#123 Edited by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@NineTailedGoku:

Well its you, wouldn't call it copying. But in the really real world that's exactly what they did. Spin it how u want. Bettering PSN costs money, blah, blah. They saw that revenue stream and said YES PLEASE, we are in a 6 billion $ hole and don't want to sell anymore buildings. SNE-NYSE I own ADRs of this company. It is copying something that they tried to use as a negative against MS not too long ago.

I don't see how its copying when they really had no other option to compete. I wanted PSN to be free, but XBL kept getting buyers, so that led the market to where it is now. If X1 bombs and MS removes Kinect and lowers its price, I wouldn't call it copying. Its just competing. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

#124 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@NineTailedGoku:

You do realize the 360 has won the gen, right?

.....No, I don't. How is that and it sold less than Wii and PS3? PS3 and 360s last official numbers were neck and neck at the end of last year. Its well known that PS3 sells better throughout the year. With 360 dead in Japan, and lagging in Europe. Theres zero possibility its ahead of PS3.

#125 Posted by the330and419 (223 posts) -

@blackace: +1. Well played sir. Agreed

#126 Posted by cainetao11 (17595 posts) -

@NineTailedGoku said:

@cainetao11 said:

@NineTailedGoku:

Well its you, wouldn't call it copying. But in the really real world that's exactly what they did. Spin it how u want. Bettering PSN costs money, blah, blah. They saw that revenue stream and said YES PLEASE, we are in a 6 billion $ hole and don't want to sell anymore buildings. SNE-NYSE I own ADRs of this company. It is copying something that they tried to use as a negative against MS not too long ago.

I don't see how its copying when they really had no other option to compete. I wanted PSN to be free, but XBL kept getting buyers, so that led the market to where it is now. If X1 bombs and MS removes Kinect and lowers its price, I wouldn't call it copying. Its just competing. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Agreed. They did have another option. The one they, themselves created:free mp, PS+ leases me games for $50 per year. But the genius of MS Live was the fact that MP is a very compelling reason to buy Gold. Now I personally wish it was ALL FREE. I don't like paying for anything, and would charge a quarter for friends to say my name out loud if I could. But PS+ wasn't compelling enough as it was to make the money Sony corp so desperately needs at this point. So what to do? When in Rome!! It is copying, as much as MS copied Sony by getting into the hardware business to begin with.

#127 Posted by Negro-y-Azul (79 posts) -

Competition between 3 huge powerful companies and 3 awesome (each in their own way) consoles made gaming better then ever this generation.

Calling out Sony for special praise after the 600 launch price, broken/downed/hacked PSN, "rumble is last gen", and shoddy exclusives and inferior multiplats for many years is wrong. They got their act together as Nintendo and Microsoft fell away towards the end of this generation but they were no angels.

#128 Edited by Starshine_M2A2 (4088 posts) -

When all three next gen systems are out, the PS4 will be the only dedicated gaming platform remaining. So, in that way, they WILL save hardcore gamers from having to wade through features they don't necessarily want or need.

But it doesn't bode well for the future since it's probably only a matter of time before Sony are forced to go the same way as Microsoft if only to compete.

#129 Posted by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

@Starshine_M2A2: If you truly are an hardcore gamer, you would know that the future of gaming stands on the PC and it's lord and savior, Gabe Newell.

#130 Posted by heretrix (37382 posts) -

@NineTailedGoku:

the 360 lead in total units sold for pretty much the entire generation.Whether or not the PS3 sold faster doesn't matter. It didn't surpass the 360 until this year and even that is in question due to the fact that Sony pads it's numbers with units sold from the ENTIRE Playstation family of products.

As for me being a fanboy, Believe what you want, whatever stops your little tears at night sweetie pie...

#131 Posted by blackace (20753 posts) -

@Lumpy311 said:

@blackace: So if it doesn't have any gens, then every single game ever released for the PC can be used to tout superiority over the peasants? That means we have even more AAAs, AAs, and As.

PC's aren't even part of the console wars, because it's not a stagnant system. PC's can be upgraded and modified at any time. Game consoles can't. PC games can be improved with better technology and modes. Console games can't, so there is really no comparison. This is just one of the reasons it doesn't have any generations and why I don't think PC's should be part of Console Wars. It's not a console.

Also PC's have more issues in a 5 years lifespan then a game consoles. Every time I install a new PC game on my system I find out that something else needs to be done to get the game to play or connect online. Had to do it with Starcraft 2, Planetside 2, Diablo 3, etc. etc.. Thank God I didn't bother with the Sims. Can't even tell you how many times I had to reinstall XP because of memory corruption and all kinds of other issues. I never see PC as a superior platform for gaming. It's a nice side option, but that's about it.

#132 Posted by AdrianWerner (28058 posts) -

PC is completely destroying PS3 this year, so no...

#133 Posted by Lumpy311 (673 posts) -

@blackace: My god, what kind of shit were you doing with your PC to have so many problems? You have to be a fucking idiot to have so many problems.

Also, this isn't Console wars, that would be fighting for 2nd place, this is System Wars. Also, why the fuck are you using Windows XP you fucking moron? Get Windows 7 or 8.

#134 Posted by ActicEdge (24473 posts) -

The idea that Sony saved this generation is pretty funny. They barely released anything if you want to consider one publisher as the saviour of 7+ years of gaming.

#135 Edited by lamprey263 (23967 posts) -

Sony did nothing to lead in this gen. Wii paved the way with motion controls, Xbox 360 paved the way for strong online integration and multiplayer for consoles, built in wireless controller functionality, online demos, downloadable games, video apps, movie rentals, movie purchases, party chat. Nothing was really original in the slightest but it was a culmination of these features in consoles and it set the bar pretty high. If it were just up to Sony with no Xbox 360, I doubt we'd of seen anything like this. Microsoft also had the best digital rights management (I think as a consequence of the RROD), but still something good came out of that nonetheless, allowing for transferable rights to the users console. Furthermore MS really pushed the consoles power which helped multiplatform developers out in designing games for play on both console and PC. Sony was important though, they're choosing to have many of the same features reinforced a new standard for console gaming. And the competitive atmosphere I felt really benefited gamers of either console.

#136 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -

@heretrix:

How did 360 win when PS3 caught up and surpassed? It doesn't matter that 360 was ahead most of the gen, that was only due to releasing early not it outselling PS3 year to year.

#137 Posted by NineTailedGoku (1927 posts) -

@lamprey263 said:

Sony did nothing to lead in this gen. Wii paved the way with motion controls, Xbox 360 paved the way for strong online integration and multiplayer for consoles, built in wireless controller functionality, online demos, downloadable games, video apps, movie rentals, movie purchases, party chat. Nothing was really original in the slightest but it was a culmination of these features in consoles and it set the bar pretty high. If it were just up to Sony with no Xbox 360, I doubt we'd of seen anything like this. Microsoft also had the best digital rights management (I think as a consequence of the RROD), but still something good came out of that nonetheless, allowing for transferable rights to the users console. Furthermore MS really pushed the consoles power which helped multiplatform developers out in designing games for play on both console and PC. Sony was important though, they're choosing to have many of the same features reinforced a new standard for console gaming. And the competitive atmosphere I felt really benefited gamers of either console.

Sony made great new IPs. Some of the most highly acclaimed new IPs this gen was exclusive to Sonys platform.

#138 Posted by StormyJoe (5387 posts) -

@mrintro said:

Xbox did pretty well in the beginning, but soon fizzled out. I would say the Xbox's legacy would be Xbox Live cause that really changed the game (pun intended) and pretty much was the predecessor to PS+. Wii will be remembered for successfully implementing motion controls into gaming. However, Sony has been spanking everybody with their games. I mean, damn, Last of Us, Puppeteer & Beyond Two Souls (all AAAEs) in just a matter of 4 months. There's also Ni No Kuni, another AAAE that came at the beginning of this year. Other 2013 Sony exclusives this year include God of War Ascension, Tales of Xillia, Kingdom Hearts Remix 1.5, Disgaea D2, Gran Turismo 6, Dust 514, and the upcoming Ratchet & Clank. And that's just 2013!! All I gotta say is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyEE0qpfeig

The 360 still out sells the PS3 in NA.

#139 Posted by Netret0120 (2160 posts) -

I certainly enjoyed Sony's games this gen. But saying it saved it is a bit silly

#140 Posted by Suppaman100 (3917 posts) -

Of course PS3 won this gen. It sold more than 360 an had the best games.

Wii is just a toy

#141 Posted by Gue1 (10020 posts) -

@blackace said:

LMAO!! What?!!? Sony fanboys forget that Sony did absolutely nothing for the first 2 yrs of the PS3, while the XBox 360 was spanking them. Now that the next generation is about to start, Sony is now delivering the goods. Ask them what happened for the first 2 years? Took them 18 months to get a AAAE game when the Xbox 360 had 2 AAAE at launch. Took then even longer to finally get a decent JRPG, which was their bread and butter on the PS2. It's nice that the PS3 finally has some great exclusives, but everyone is about to move on to the PS4 now. Sony didn't save anything. They just made a decent recovery after being spanked for most of last gen.

Xbox had even less games than the PS3 in its first 2 years. Call of Duty 2, Perfect Dark and Dead or Alive 4 is all it had. If it weren't for Sony even the lems would be starving on games to bash because ever since Kinect M$ stopped giving f*cks. ;)

#142 Edited by NFJSupreme (5377 posts) -

says sony saved gaming...lists games that I have never played and will never play save one or two yet I have been busy gaming for the past 10 years...walks out of thread.

#143 Posted by Dog (37 posts) -

Playstation Plus is the only thing notable that Sony contributed this generation... First-party titles & exclusives from both Sony and Microsoft were dull and forgettable... Sony saved nothing... I'd still take Xbox for online multiplayer any day...

#144 Posted by NFJSupreme (5377 posts) -

@blackace said:

@Lumpy311 said:

@blackace: So if it doesn't have any gens, then every single game ever released for the PC can be used to tout superiority over the peasants? That means we have even more AAAs, AAs, and As.

PC's aren't even part of the console wars, because it's not a stagnant system. PC's can be upgraded and modified at any time. Game consoles can't. PC games can be improved with better technology and modes. Console games can't, so there is really no comparison. This is just one of the reasons it doesn't have any generations and why I don't think PC's should be part of Console Wars. It's not a console.

Also PC's have more issues in a 5 years lifespan then a game consoles. Every time I install a new PC game on my system I find out that something else needs to be done to get the game to play or connect online. Had to do it with Starcraft 2, Planetside 2, Diablo 3, etc. etc.. Thank God I didn't bother with the Sims. Can't even tell you how many times I had to reinstall XP because of memory corruption and all kinds of other issues. I never see PC as a superior platform for gaming. It's a nice side option, but that's about it.

I started laughing out loud when you said "can't even tell you how many times I had to reinstall XP..." hahaha well there is your problem to begin with. Its 2013, it's time to let go of XP.

#145 Posted by lundy86_4 (43438 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

Xbox had even less games than the PS3 in its first 2 years. Call of Duty 2, Perfect Dark and Dead or Alive 4 is all it had. If it weren't for Sony even the lems would be starving on games to bash because ever since Kinect M$ stopped giving f*cks. ;)

  1. Amped 3
  2. Call of Duty 2
  3. Condemned
  4. DoA4
  5. FIFA 06
  6. Gun
  7. Kameo
  8. Madden NFL 06
  9. NBA 2K6
  10. NBA Live 06
  11. Need for Speed: Most Wanted
  12. NHL 2K6
  13. PDZ
  14. King Kong
  15. PGR3
  16. Quake 4
  17. Ridge Racer 6
  18. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06
  19. Tony Hawk's American Wasteland

That's just for 2005.

#146 Posted by John_Matherson (2031 posts) -

@tagyhag: lol joke list.

#147 Edited by John_Matherson (2031 posts) -

@Merex760:

@Merex760 said:

You'd have to be a pretty big fanboy to not recognize the impact Sony had on console gaming this generation. Microsoft also had a major impact, but more with services than games. As far as games offered by first party studios, consoles would look pretty bleak if Sony wasn't there.

Yeah, Lemmings have their heads buried up their bums so they won't see it. WIthout Sony this gen let's just say we'd all be trapped in a horrible, horrible universe of cliche shooters, cookie cutter races, half-baked rps, and pizzahut apps. Thank you Sony :)

#148 Posted by tagyhag (15867 posts) -

@John_Matherson said:

@tagyhag: lol joke list.

Yeah you have to have a certain amount of skill to appreciate most of those games, I'm sorry. :(

#149 Posted by Seabas989 (10285 posts) -

Wait when did gaming need saving?

#150 Posted by evildead6789 (7743 posts) -

@Seabas989: When everyone realized that crysis graphics would be postponed like 7 years,

but sony didn't save that, valve saved it, and they will save it even more this gen.