Sony: always one step behind

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#1 Number_1_Gamer
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Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

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#2 D0wnfall1
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Yea, sell 100 million consoles two generations in a row.
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#3 cobrax25
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custom avatars, motion sensing, were around long before the wii.
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It's easier to steal something than to earn it.

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That's an accomplishment, not a feature.
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#6 Nike_Air
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Isn't it pretty obvious that Sony had this HOME planned for quite some time ? It looks pretty robust and by the way they designed the ps3 hardware they left themselves some space to pull off these kinds of things.

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#7 topcatyo
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custom avatars, motion sensing, were around long before the wii.cobrax25

This.

I also guess Microsoft isn't around, either.

Certainly we'd be able to play games without controls.

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#8 TriangleHard
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hmm

They were the first to use CD over cartridge on games

They were the first to make Playstation franchise into multi-media device

They were the first to create Ebay frenzy for console system. (not a good thing but it is original I guess)

They were the first to sell system at a loss (original buisness plan I guess)

They were the first to use UMD (bad idea but it was original)

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#9 DanielEntwistle
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Sony have done a lot more than simply copy from Nintendo - that is a very ignorant standpoint to take. The PSOne and PS2 were fine consoles (still not sold on the PS3) - and they (arguably) made the CD-ROM drive, in consoles, industry standard. Oh, and dual analogues.
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Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

Number_1_Gamer
And yet, Sony fans don't seem to care. Good going.
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#11 Number_1_Gamer
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"They were the first to use CD over cartridge on games"

No. Sega CD (a Genesis add-on) was.

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#12 Ibacai
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Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

Number_1_Gamer
I like how everything you put wasn't done by Nintendo first. Way to go buddy. ;)
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hmm

They were the first to use CD over cartridge on games

They were the first to make Playstation franchise into multi-media device

They were the first to create Ebay frenzy for console system. (not a good thing but it is original I guess)

They were the first to sell system at a loss (original buisness plan I guess)

They were the first to use UMD (bad idea but it was original)

TriangleHard


3DO and Sega CD used CD's first.  Nintendo contracted Sony to make Supernintendo CD which became PS.

I'm not sure how good the other ones are, but i'll give em to ya
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#14 Ericvon71
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[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

2largeadults

And yet, Sony fans don't seem to care. Good going.

And yet Nintendo fans do because they envy Sony.....pretty sad!

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Yea, sell 100 million consoles two generations in a row. D0wnfall1
:lol: True!
hmm

They were the first to use CD over cartridge on games

They were the first to make Playstation franchise into multi-media device

They were the first to create Ebay frenzy for console system. (not a good thing but it is original I guess)

They were the first to sell system at a loss (original buisness plan I guess)

They were the first to use UMD (bad idea but it was original)

TriangleHard
Hmmm Well I'll go with the one that sounds more impressive. Wich is the first and they(and Nintendo plans at the time) were definitely not the first ones to do that, make it sucessfull? Yes. First? Nope.
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#16 DanielEntwistle
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"They were the first to use CD over cartridge on games"

No. Sega CD (a Genesis add-on) was.

Number_1_Gamer
But SEGACD wasn't really in a position to set the industry standard was it? Y'know, failing miserably as it did.
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#17 laez
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Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

Number_1_Gamer
Why should they when they can just make all the other crap good.
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#18 TriangleHard
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Ok I should change what I said.

I should've said they were the first to have idea of using CD over Cartridge on games.

If what I read a while ago is true, Sony approached Nintendo with add-on for SNES that uses CD, but Nintendo didn't want any part of it, which later on developed into first PS.

And I completely forgot about Sega-CD and 3DO lol Wow brings back good memories of huge number of game systems and add-on that failed miserably (Jaguar anyone? 32X? Virtual Boy?)
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#19 16bitkevin
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custom avatars, motion sensing, were around long before the wii.cobrax25


O RLY?
Name me a console that had motion sensing before Wii that didn't come as an add-on accessory.
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Ok I should change what I said.

I should've said they were the first to have idea of using CD over Cartridge on games.

If what I read a while ago is true, Sony approached Nintendo with add-on for SNES that uses CD, but Nintendo didn't want any part of it, which later on developed into first PS.

And I completely forgot about Sega-CD and 3DO lol Wow brings back good memories of huge number of game systems and add-on that failed miserably (Jaguar anyone? 32X? Virtual Boy?)
TriangleHard

No, Nintendo did want to work with sony on a CD addon. They were working on it together until a E3 ( I forgot which year ) Nintendo backstabbed them by announcing that Philips will be developing a CD addon. It caught Sony by surprise at that E3 and they were the object to laugh at that year.
Then Sony came out with the PS1. Who was laughing then :roll:
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Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

Number_1_Gamer
Sony is actually too far ahead like the Sega Saturn was. Sony brought out analog before the N64. It was called the Sony Flightstick (a precursor to the dualshock). Um... Microsoft has rumble too. Sony has tilt sensing, not motion sensing. There was a controller like that that you could use in Warhawk for the PS1. Avatar characters were on the PC first. Sony came up with the idea to use disks instead of cartridges for video games. I believe that became an industry standard.
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#22 topcatyo
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]custom avatars, motion sensing, were around long before the wii.16bitkevin


O RLY?
Name me a console that had motion sensing before Wii that didn't come as an add-on accessory.

World of Warcraft, to name one, so PC.

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Yea, sell 100 million consoles two generations in a row. D0wnfall1

link? can i at least see your crystal ball?
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Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

Number_1_Gamer
They created the CD (no explanation necessary as to why this is important) with Philips, among other formats and they started the PlayStation brand, which we all know dominates the console market. I guess they're doing alright. You see, not everybody is a fanboy who uses "copying" as some excuse. When rumble came out on N64, it sucked, just like it's analog stick did. The dual shock was much better. Sony didn't copy Mii, they made something far better. I guess you're not familiar with a little thing called innovation.
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#25 topcatyo
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[QUOTE="D0wnfall1"]Yea, sell 100 million consoles two generations in a row. mwa

link? can i at least see your crystal ball?

I believe he's talking about the Playstation 1 and Playstation 2.

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[QUOTE="16bitkevin"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]custom avatars, motion sensing, were around long before the wii.topcatyo



O RLY?
Name me a console that had motion sensing before Wii that didn't come as an add-on accessory.

World of Warcraft, to name one, so PC.



I never knew WoW used motion sensing... I guess you learn something new everyday don't you?
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[QUOTE="TriangleHard"]hmm

They were the first to use CD over cartridge on games

They were the first to make Playstation franchise into multi-media device

They were the first to create Ebay frenzy for console system. (not a good thing but it is original I guess)

They were the first to sell system at a loss (original buisness plan I guess)

They were the first to use UMD (bad idea but it was original)

TacoJelly


3DO and Sega CD used CD's first.  Nintendo contracted Sony to make Supernintendo CD which became PS.

I'm not sure how good the other ones are, but i'll give em to ya

No CD-I was the first to use CDs.

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Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

Number_1_Gamer
Why is Sony number 1 then?
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Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies?

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

Number_1_Gamer
Many, if not most, 70s consoles featured an Analog Stick, see under, the VC 4000 ( 1978 ) for more info. In 1982 Atari released the first controller with a potentiometer-based analog stick [2] for their Atari 5200 home console. However, the non-centering joystick design proved to be ungainly and unreliable, alienating many consumers at the time. During that same year, General Consumer Electronics introduced the Vectrex, a vector graphics based system which used a self-centering analog stick, obviously a precursor to the modern design.


http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=Analog+stick&gwp=13
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[QUOTE="topcatyo"]

[QUOTE="16bitkevin"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]custom avatars, motion sensing, were around long before the wii.16bitkevin



O RLY?
Name me a console that had motion sensing before Wii that didn't come as an add-on accessory.

World of Warcraft, to name one, so PC.



I never knew WoW used motion sensing... I guess you learn something new everyday don't you?

Oh, whoops, my bad, I thought mis-read it as Mii's for some reason.

Motion-sensing was done on a Playstation 1 controller before.  I forget what it's called.  EGM or PSM or some magazine rereviewed the controller when the new announcement for the Sixaxis was announced.

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Definately a step behind in the hardware department...Sony admitted it themselves!
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Sony uses dual analog sticks-  everyone copies
Sony uses optical storage drives- everyone copies
Sony uses home button- everyone copies
Sony makes gaming mainstream- everyone benefits fanboys dont apprechiate.
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Definately a step behind in the hardware department...Sony admitted it themselves!
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Link?
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[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

2largeadults
And yet, Sony fans don't seem to care. Good going.

Why should Sony fans care? They (me included) have been spoiled with the most amount of great games last gen on the PS2 and if all bodes well, the PS3 will face a similar fate.
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Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

Number_1_Gamer
Everything on that list Sony didn't simply copy they improved upon them and made them their own. Sony had better Analog, Better rumble, and what appears to be a better Avatar. The only thing that they didn't was motion sensing and that was around way before Nintendo introduced it.
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Yea, sell 100 million consoles two generations in a row. D0wnfall1

nice ownage

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#38 lilrush
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Yea, sell 100 million consoles two generations in a row. D0wnfall1
That's what matters. So what if they copy? sheep and lems are just scared cuz they know sony does it better. And Sony's avatars were in development for a long time, they are not a copy.
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Avaters and Motion senseing are not owned and rumble is somthing that sony listened to there fan base and put in rumble

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#40 StarFoxCOM
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Sony uses dual analog sticks-  everyone copies
Sony uses optical storage drives- everyone copies
Sony uses home button- everyone copies
Sony makes gaming mainstream- everyone benefits fanboys dont apprechiate.
MGS9150
(claps) very very very well done
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#41 topcatyo
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Avaters and Motion senseing are not owned and rumble is somthing that sony listened to there fan base and put in rumble

StarFoxCOM

Thank you.

This man speaks great truth.

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#42 2largeadults
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[QUOTE="2largeadults"][QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

Sony will always be one step behind.

Nintendo brings out analog controllers. Sony copies.

Nintendo brings rumble to consoles. Sony copies.

Nintendo introduces Wiimote motion sensing. Sony copies.

Nintendo gives us custom avatar characters (Mii). Sony copies.

Will Sony EVER do something first that will become industry-standard?

SergeantSnitch
And yet, Sony fans don't seem to care. Good going.

Why should Sony fans care? They (me included) have been spoiled with the most amount of great games last gen on the PS2 and if all bodes well, the PS3 will face a similar fate.

That's wat I was getting at. They can steal all they want. It benefits me, the Sony consumer in the end.
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