Some Little Known Facts About The Wii U

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#1 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -

Nintendo's handling of the Wii U has been shocking. The console, which will be their flagship product for the next five years at least, launches at most in four months, and people still know pretty much nothing about the system.

Since System Wars loves proliferating misinformation about the system, I decided to clear up some facts about the Wii U. It's not going to be the PS2 of the next generation like some of us might have hoped initially, and it will probably be the next Wii more than anything, but still, there are some things it is doing right.

  • The Wii U uses a proprietary Blu Ray disc format for its games. Much like the Wii, which used a proprietary DVD format that Nintendo specifically developed for the console, the Wii U uses a modified Blu Ray format. A Wii U disc holds 25 GB of data per layer, which is the exact same as a Blu Ray disc. In spite of this, however, the Wii U will not play Blu Ray or DVD movies, a decision Nintendo probably made to avoid licensing fees.
  • The Wii U will be the first console to have every single one of its games release at both retail, and digital, day one. The Wii U eShop will have every single game available on it digitally from day one itself, just in case you like digital better than retail. And for those of you worried about Nintendo's DRM that ties purchases to your system, and the lack of user accounts...
  • The Wii U has user accounts. Only seven years late to the party, the Wii U is the first Nintendo system that supports user accounts. All purchases, achievements, and game play time tracking will be tied directly to your user account. More importantly, there will be support for multiple user accounts per system, unlike the Wii and 3DS.
  • No more Friend Codes. This of course means that there will be no more friend codes on the Wii U. Your one user account can be used to add friends, access leaderboards, track achievements, and more.
  • The first system ever to have a social network integrated at the OS level. Nintendo is creating an entirely new social network for the Wii U (which it promises will later come to the 3DS too) in the hopes to recreate that feel of community gaming that existed before the rise of the internet, on the internet. Miiverse has status messages, video and screenshot sharing, messaging, user tips and help, and more. The Wii U thus becomes the first system to integrate a social network at the OS level.
  • The Wii U (probably) has 1.5 GB RAM on the final retail system... and 512 MB of this is saved for the OS. In what is unprecedented, Nintendo is reportedly dedicating 512MB of its system memory to just the OS. This is probably to enable full multitasking, Miiverse, streaming to the controller, and more, all at once, but it hints at a fully featured OS for Nintendo's new system. For context, 512MB is the total RAM that Xbox 360 and PS3 have available to them. Nintendo is apparently saving that much just for OS processes.
  • Your WiiWare and Virtual Console purchases will carry over to the Wii U. Nintendo has announced that all of your WiiWare and Virtual Console purchases made on the Wii will carry over to the Wii U. The exact process that will enable this is as yet unknown - it might be similar to how Nintendo managed it on the DSi and 3DS, but they might retroactively enable user accounts on the Wii.
  • The Wii U will play used games. Unlike both the next Xbox and the PS4, which are rumored to block used games, the Wii U will play used and borrowed games without any restrictions or limitations.
  • Free online: The Wii U will offer free online play, and basic Miiverse access. Nintendo did, however, state that it was looking into offering a PS+ kind of tiered paid service for the system.
  • 3D Compatible: The Wii U supports the HDMI 1.3 output standard, which means that if it is connected to a 3DTV, it can output 3D images, if the software supports it.
  • The Wii U is open: It allows for any hard drive and any SD card to be plugged into the console and used for storage via its USB slots and SD card slot. You can use any hard drive you want to with the Wii U, like the PS3.
  • Media functionality. Nintendo will not allow for DVDs and Blu Rays to play on the Wii U. However, they have expanded the media functionality of the Wii U, allowing for Amazon Instant, Netflix, Hulu Plus, and Youtube. There is also allegedly an eBook marketplace in the works.
  • Apparently, there will be an apps marketplace. This is one of the oldest and most persistent rumors about the system, and we haven't received confirmation about it either way, so just take it with a pinch of salt.

So yes, the Wii U might be doing a lot wrong, but there's a lot that is surprisingly progressive about it, even more so when one considers that this is all coming from Nintendo.

#2 Posted by kabphillie (301 posts) -

Sounds like a worthy console to me, if the price is right. This is apart from the usually top-notch first party titles, and hopefully improved 3rd party support.

#3 Posted by Bardock47 (5320 posts) -

Not gonna lie, this has gotten me much more pumped about the wii-u. No friend codes, it sounds like it could be getting really close to what PSN and Live is. I dont expect to have to pay for online, which will make live look iike a joke. I am now very excited for the Wii-U.

#4 Posted by Bigboi500 (30082 posts) -

Day fuking one, locked and loaded. :P

#5 Posted by PCgameruk (1425 posts) -

So does the WiiU have a hard drive or what? If its offering all its games digital then it need something to store em on.

#6 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -

Not gonna lie, this has gotten me much more pumped about the wii-u. No friend codes, it sounds like it could be getting really close to what PSN and Live is. I dont expect to have to pay for online, which will make live look iike a joke. I am now very excited for the Wii-U.

Bardock47
Basic online access and Miiverse have been confirmed to be free. Nintendo did say they might look into a PSN+ like service for the Wii U though. I should probably add that to the OP.
#7 Posted by YoshiYogurt (5978 posts) -

Day fuking one, locked and loaded. :P

Bigboi500
Couldn't have said it better myself!
#8 Posted by bbkkristian (14957 posts) -
Yay, no more friend codes!! :D I hope Nintendo follows through with the WiiWare/VC transfers unlike Sony's promise to have UMD transfers to Vita.
#9 Posted by YoshiYogurt (5978 posts) -
[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

Not gonna lie, this has gotten me much more pumped about the wii-u. No friend codes, it sounds like it could be getting really close to what PSN and Live is. I dont expect to have to pay for online, which will make live look iike a joke. I am now very excited for the Wii-U.

charizard1605
Basic online access and Miiverse have been confirmed to be free. Nintendo did say they might look into a PSN+ like service for the Wii U though. I should probably add that to the OP.

I would most definitely drop live and get Nintendo+ account...
#10 Posted by Crossel777 (5595 posts) -

Some good features in there, all I'm waiting for now is a price and a release date.

#11 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -
Yay, no more friend codes!! :D I hope Nintendo follows through with the WiiWare/VC transfers unlike Sony's promise to have UMD transfers to Vita. bbkkristian
They already did it once with the DSi and 3DS, which was much harder to implement. I'd say they have a better track record, generally speaking, than Sony when it comes to this.
#12 Posted by Bigboi500 (30082 posts) -

So does the WiiU have a hard drive or what? If its offering all its games digital then it need something to store em on.

PCgameruk

It's rumored to have three different sku's ranging from $249 to $349 and if that's true there might be different sized HDDs (I sure hope so).

#13 Posted by YoshiYogurt (5978 posts) -
[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]Yay, no more friend codes!! :D I hope Nintendo follows through with the WiiWare/VC transfers unlike Sony's promise to have UMD transfers to Vita. charizard1605
They already did it once with the DSi and 3DS, which was much harder to implement. I'd say they have a better track record, generally speaking, than Sony when it comes to this.

Sony's horrible record and ridiculous pricing of digital games and memory cards has spooked me out of getting a PSP or Vita...
#14 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -

[QUOTE="PCgameruk"]

So does the WiiU have a hard drive or what? If its offering all its games digital then it need something to store em on.

Bigboi500

It's rumored to have three different sku's ranging from $249 to $349 and if that's true there might be different sized HDDs (I sure hope so).

I think the SKUs have nothing to do with hard drive size. I think each SKU ships with 8GB of on board flash memory. From my understanding, here's the SKU configuration: $249: Wii U console+controller $299: Wii U console+Nintendo Land $349: Wii U console:controller+Nintendo Land+Wii U Pro controller
#15 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22488 posts) -
So is it absolutely confirmed that there is no friendcodes, or is it like the 3ds where there's only one per console/account?
#16 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -
So is it absolutely confirmed that there is no friendcodes, or is it like the 3ds where there's only one per console/account?Shinobishyguy
Nintendo said no Friend Codes, or that at the very least, they will be transparent and in the background (like Steam's Account Names and User Names)
#17 Posted by RulerofGondor (390 posts) -
That is a surprisingly full featured list
#18 Posted by Crossel777 (5595 posts) -

Well they better have better options for harddrive space than8GBs of on board flash memory. Seriously not going to cut it when disc games gone digital will most probably 8-10GB and beyond. 250GB-500GB we need.

#19 Posted by crippled_ram (1581 posts) -
Okay, I admit, that looks good.
#20 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -

Well they better have better options for harddrive space than8GBs of on board flash memory. Seriously not going to cut it when disc games gone digital will most probably 8-10GB and beyond. 250GB-500GB we need.

Crossel777
Like it says in the OP, you can use any hard drive you own with the Wii U. It's open standard.
#21 Posted by Crossel777 (5595 posts) -
[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

Well they better have better options for harddrive space than8GBs of on board flash memory. Seriously not going to cut it when disc games gone digital will most probably 8-10GB and beyond. 250GB-500GB we need.

charizard1605
Like it says in the OP, you can use any hard drive you own with the Wii U. It's open standard.

Oh sweet, must of missed that one. Still have to pay more if it's not included with the console though. D:
#22 Posted by OhJayDubya (1142 posts) -
All of this has pretty much has me wanting this console. All I need now is a price that isn't going to take the piss and I am set.
#23 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Crossel777"]

Well they better have better options for harddrive space than8GBs of on board flash memory. Seriously not going to cut it when disc games gone digital will most probably 8-10GB and beyond. 250GB-500GB we need.

Crossel777
Like it says in the OP, you can use any hard drive you own with the Wii U. It's open standard.

Oh sweet, must of missed that one. Still have to pay more if it's not included with the console though. D:

It's annoying, but I'm glad that at least it isn't a closed proprietary standard like Microsoft with the Xbox 360 and Sony with the PS Vita.
#24 Posted by Sushiglutton (5340 posts) -
Sounds like very standard stuff. Lack of RAM is disturbing though.
#25 Posted by Slashkice (13240 posts) -

Sony's horrible record and ridiculous pricing of digital games and memory cards has spooked me out of getting a PSP or Vita... YoshiYogurt

I won't argue the memory cards, but games? They have issues there as well, but they've set a precedent for offering discounts on digital titles unlike a certain other publisher (re: Nintendo).

#26 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]Sony's horrible record and ridiculous pricing of digital games and memory cards has spooked me out of getting a PSP or Vita... Slashkice

I won't argue the memory cards, but games? They have issues there as well, but they've set a precedent for offering discounts on digital titles unlike a certain other publisher (re: Nintendo).

In fact, in the UK, New Super Mario Bros. 2 costs more on the eShop than it does at retail :? Thankfully, as they proved earlier this year, Nintendo finally seem to be learning the concept of sales. Well, somewhat.
#27 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Crossel777"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Like it says in the OP, you can use any hard drive you own with the Wii U. It's open standard.

Oh sweet, must of missed that one. Still have to pay more if it's not included with the console though. D:

It's annoying, but I'm glad that at least it isn't a closed proprietary standard like Microsoft with the Xbox 360 and Sony with the PS Vita.

MS uses standard Laptop HDDs, so you buy an enclosure case and use your own drive. Or you can just buy 3rd party HDDs with 120GB-320GB HDD for $30-$60.
#28 Posted by PAL360 (26939 posts) -

Sounds very good! 512mb for the OS alone sounds too much, though.

#29 Posted by parkurtommo (27245 posts) -

I thought we were suppose to bash the wiiu, chaz

#30 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -

Sounds very good! 512mb for the OS alone sounds too much, though.

PAL360
TBF the Japanese seem incompetent in regards to OS efficiency(ps3), or it really is demanding.
#31 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -

I thought we were suppose to bash the wiiu, chaz

parkurtommo
Yes, this is the first step towards that. [QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] TBF the Japanese seem incompetent in regards to OS efficiency(ps3), or it really is demanding.

Considering that the Wii U has to run the Miiverse in the background, has full multitasking, and also probably has to stream video fully to at least one controller while also accepting inputs from up to four other controllers, while ALSO outputting HD video... Well, I think 512MB might be required. Nintendo might just be future proofing the system.
#32 Posted by parkurtommo (27245 posts) -
[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

I thought we were suppose to bash the wiiu, chaz

charizard1605
Yes, this is the first step towards that.

Ok then.
#33 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

I thought we were suppose to bash the wiiu, chaz

charizard1605

Yes, this is the first step towards that.
TBF the Japanese seem incompetent in regards to OS efficiency(ps3), or it really is demanding. MFDOOM1983
Considering that the Wii U has to run the Miiverse in the background, has full multitasking, and also probably has to stream video fully to at least one controller while also accepting inputs from up to four other controllers, while ALSO outputting HD video... Well, I think 512MB might be required. Nintendo might just be future proofing the system.

Future proofing with 1.5GB of RAM? :P

#34 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (4514 posts) -

  • The Wii U uses a proprietary Blu Ray disc format for its games. Much like the Wii, which used a proprietary DVD format that Nintendo specifically developed for the console, the Wii U uses a modified Blu Ray format. A Wii U disc holds 25 GB of data per layer, which is the exact same as a Blu Ray disc. In spite of this, however, the Wii U will not play Blu Ray or DVD movies, a decision Nintendo probably made to avoid licensing fees.
  • The Wii U will be the first console to have every single one of its games release at both retail, and digital, day one. The Wii U eShop will have every single game available on it digitally from day one itself, just in case you like digital better than retail. And for those of you worried about Nintendo's DRM that ties purchases to your system, and the lack of user accounts...

charizard1605

If it uses Blu Ray type storage media, developers are going to be liberal with how big they make games, so how are people going download huge games.

Also this will alienate the retail community if Nintendo do day one DD and retail. It's one of the reasons MS don't push hard with their full games on XBL because retailers don't want to have to compete with them at the same time. The profit margin on each game isn't huge as it is.

#35 Posted by MonsieurX (30462 posts) -
Glad to ear that the VC will carry over.
#36 Posted by GunSmith1_basic (9822 posts) -
Sounds like very standard stuff. Lack of RAM is disturbing though. Sushiglutton
I agree. No one was expecting anything incredible to rival the next MS and Sony consoles but could it have been so hard to have even 3-4 gigs? Not to mention they have dual screen setup there which might make games even more taxing. Of course however we don't know for certain just yet
#37 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -
Future proofing with 1.5GB of RAM? :P

MFDOOM1983
Well, future proofing their OS anyway :P
#38 Posted by GD1551 (9155 posts) -

So yes, the Wii U might be doing a lot wrong, but there's a lot that is surprisingly progressive about it, even more so when one considers that this is all coming from Nintendo.

charizard1605

Nothing you listed but the social network thing is progressive and the social network thing hasn't even been tested by the public to see how well it works.

#39 Posted by charizard1605 (58262 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

So yes, the Wii U might be doing a lot wrong, but there's a lot that is surprisingly progressive about it, even more so when one considers that this is all coming from Nintendo.

GD1551

Nothing you listed but the social network thing is progressive and the social network thing hasn't even been tested by the public to see how well it works.

All games being available digitally day one is also progressive, I'd say.
#40 Posted by Joedgabe (5119 posts) -

The price is the only thing that will decide wether it will do well or not.

#41 Posted by YoshiYogurt (5978 posts) -
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="PCgameruk"]

So does the WiiU have a hard drive or what? If its offering all its games digital then it need something to store em on.

charizard1605

It's rumored to have three different sku's ranging from $249 to $349 and if that's true there might be different sized HDDs (I sure hope so).

I think the SKUs have nothing to do with hard drive size. I think each SKU ships with 8GB of on board flash memory. From my understanding, here's the SKU configuration: $249: Wii U console+controller $299: Wii U console+Nintendo Land $349: Wii U console:controller+Nintendo Land+Wii U Pro controller

That seems pretty ridiculous. Here's what I hope the bundles will be... $249: Wii U console 8gbs + Nintendo Land $299: Wii U console (64gb/120gb/250gbs(SOME larger memory format, who knows what they would offer if they do offer larger memory) + Nintendo Land $349: Wii U console +more memory +Nintendo Land+Wii U Pro controller
#42 Posted by SonySoldier-_- (771 posts) -

Sounds like a good list of features. I just wish the Wii U specs weren't so dated. Then they wouldn't have to worry about missing out on so many multi plats when PS4 and 720 arrive.

#43 Posted by super600 (30720 posts) -

I can't wait for this console to release even though I will most likely not buy it when it launches.

#44 Posted by psymon100 (6138 posts) -

You can always count on charizard to deliver the goods.

I think Wii U's going to be a good system. I think that with the Wii U Gamepad and Wiimotes, it should have the best controllers for more traditional and casual games respectively. (I will 'know' for sure once I have spent some time playing on it)

What I really want to know is:

  • How much is it going to cost to buy a second gamepad?
  • What does the 2013 launch window have in store?
  • Is the pricing in the Wii U eShop akin to Xbox Live Games on Demand (too expensive) or Steam (frequent sales etc) ?

Only time will tell.

#45 Posted by Swanogt19 (24159 posts) -
Starting to sound a little better.
#46 Posted by Joedgabe (5119 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]It's rumored to have three different sku's ranging from $249 to $349 and if that's true there might be different sized HDDs (I sure hope so).

YoshiYogurt

I think the SKUs have nothing to do with hard drive size. I think each SKU ships with 8GB of on board flash memory. From my understanding, here's the SKU configuration: $249: Wii U console+controller $299: Wii U console+Nintendo Land $349: Wii U console:controller+Nintendo Land+Wii U Pro controller

That seems pretty ridiculous. Here's what I hope the bundles will be... $249: Wii U console 8gbs + Nintendo Land $299: Wii U console (64gb/120gb/250gbs(SOME larger memory format, who knows what they would offer if they do offer larger memory) + Nintendo Land $349: Wii U console +more memory +Nintendo Land+Wii U Pro controller

For some reason.... i doubt it will cost $250 Like i really doubt it..

#47 Posted by YoshiYogurt (5978 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] I think the SKUs have nothing to do with hard drive size. I think each SKU ships with 8GB of on board flash memory. From my understanding, here's the SKU configuration: $249: Wii U console+controller $299: Wii U console+Nintendo Land $349: Wii U console:controller+Nintendo Land+Wii U Pro controllerJoedgabe

That seems pretty ridiculous. Here's what I hope the bundles will be... $249: Wii U console 8gbs + Nintendo Land $299: Wii U console (64gb/120gb/250gbs(SOME larger memory format, who knows what they would offer if they do offer larger memory) + Nintendo Land $349: Wii U console +more memory +Nintendo Land+Wii U Pro controller

For some reason.... i doubt it will cost $250 Like i really doubt it..

$300 for 8gbs is pretty ridiculous IMO. I'm getting the highest tier unit anyway though.
#48 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (7493 posts) -

I heard rumor floating around that the system has 2.5GB of memory, but there's a lot of numbers floating around about the Wii U, so it's anybody's guess. Still, the system is shaping up well. Waiting on that September 13 event...

#49 Posted by spookykid143 (10393 posts) -

The only reason I would get a Wii U is for No More Heroes 3.

#50 Posted by Joedgabe (5119 posts) -

[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] That seems pretty ridiculous. Here's what I hope the bundles will be... $249: Wii U console 8gbs + Nintendo Land $299: Wii U console (64gb/120gb/250gbs(SOME larger memory format, who knows what they would offer if they do offer larger memory) + Nintendo Land $349: Wii U console +more memory +Nintendo Land+Wii U Pro controllerYoshiYogurt

For some reason.... i doubt it will cost $250 Like i really doubt it..

$300 for 8gbs is pretty ridiculous IMO. I'm getting the highest tier unit anyway though.

Well i'm basing my hunch on the fact that the 3DS release price point was $250 and they had to cut the price to sell more and had to make some cuts in some people's paycheck. Now there's no way i would believe it cost almost the same to make a 3DS and a Wii-U.