So when has specs won a console war and why would it this time?

good thing there's no CELL2 in the PS4 :)

Malta_1980

Completly agree, man ;)

Sony's for gamers by gamers, yo...

They make their systems powerful just to please us, the gamers...

p.s.: the console with best 3rd party support wins.

NES - best 3rd party support

SNES - best 3rd party support (excluding the Sega CD & 32X)

PS1 - best 3rd party support

PS2 - best 3rd party support

Wii - best 3rd party support (altho most of it was shovelware)

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

you can't class the wii, as that was aimed at casual gamers for its gimmicky controls, and ps3 came out a year after the 360 came out and o look it's only just a couple million behind the sales now so there doing ok.

ps2 won because of the sheer amount of games it had and o yea xbox didn't come out for a good while and of course it would be better, it came out later. 

of course it's not about specs but it helps, if the xbox came out at the same time as the ps2 then the xbox probably would of won in the end, ps3 has closed the gap even with them having a year head start, that must show something, and in my eyes the orginal ps3 was made alot better and the quality was alot better than the xbox 360 cheap taccy looking block, and blu ray was always going to win.

how you have got sony failing is beyond me were in a recession, there selling buildings off to have some extra money in the bank sony sell tv's, hi-fi's, and what ever else i can't think of, how are they failing when there only just behind microsoft on console sales, and o yea they INVENTED blu ray, so every blu ray sold they earn money so look when microsoft unvail there machine and it has a blu ray drive you crawl to your corner and remember each 720 sold sony gets profit. hhmmmmmm

TheWalkingGhost

hmmmmm might be because they did, and with the new information with a few other people. which i didn't know but still i'm guessing sony and this foundering blu ray lot still get a small slice of profits for a blu ray drive being sold.

720 probably wont have the strongest specs but will dominate, due to it catering to old and young, rich and poor. Pushing the boundaries with user Interaction, with great new IPs and Familiar core Favorites Jack-Burton

Just one thought microsoft exclusives are made up of halo, gears and fable, and i hear thier other brand new ip is being titled the new halo o my god another FPS brilliant thats all i want lol, sony has such a better catalogue of different genre's in their first party publishers, i want an excuse to get the next xbox as i normally do get every console but with everything being multiplat and now ps4 hardware being pretty much a pc, why bother when sony has the better exclusives when it comes to variety. 

ps1 gen the N64 won for me and was more powerful. Last gen Xbox won for me and was more powerful. This gen 360 won for me and is equal to ps3 and its certainly not the weakass wii that won it for me. I don't care if it sells more i want games, shiny games and that's what you get on the most powerful systems, gameplay AND graphics.silversix_

nintendo fanboys came up with this stupid argument, playstaion consoles were always the most powerful consoles for there time, so of course a  console coming out a year and a half later would be more powerful, the only problem with ps3 was sony chose blue-ray and that why it was on par with 360, so yes specs always matter, the only time it didn't is with wii, and cuase it sold as a fitness gaming machine, look at it now a failure and won't recover, no matter what nintendo fans say becuase they sold a fad, that over with now.

[QUOTE="Jack-Burton"]720 probably wont have the strongest specs but will dominate, due to it catering to old and young, rich and poor. Pushing the boundaries with user Interaction, with great new IPs and Familiar core Favorites bezza2011

Just one thought microsoft exclusives are made up of halo, gears and fable, and i hear thier other brand new ip is being titled the new halo o my god another FPS brilliant thats all i want lol, sony has such a better catalogue of different genre's in their first party publishers, i want an excuse to get the next xbox as i normally do get every console but with everything being multiplat and now ps4 hardware being pretty much a pc, why bother when sony has the better exclusives when it comes to variety. 

This gen. The PS3 had the best exclusives and has outsold its competitors.haze_blaze

Sony is failing on all fronts right now, their credit rating is junk, do you realize what that means? they are on deaths door, failed badly with the vita and they are fighting a COSTLY war of attrition with ms...

suppose ms decides to eat a nice loss on the rumored weaker 720? They come in much cheaper... get some big name exclusives... do you really think all the live gamers are going to switch to sony because of teh ggdr5... something they never heard about? lol



nintedo beats master system = master system has better specs.

snes beats neo geo, neo geo has better specs

ps1 beats n64, n64 has better specs

ps2 beats gc and xbox, they both have better specs

wii beats 360 and ps3, they both have better specs

robotapple

What if I found a million dollars! 

And Sony isn't on death's doorstep. :roll:

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

[QUOTE="Jack-Burton"]720 probably wont have the strongest specs but will dominate, due to it catering to old and young, rich and poor. Pushing the boundaries with user Interaction, with great new IPs and Familiar core Favorites Jack-Burton

Just one thought microsoft exclusives are made up of halo, gears and fable, and i hear thier other brand new ip is being titled the new halo o my god another FPS brilliant thats all i want lol, sony has such a better catalogue of different genre's in their first party publishers, i want an excuse to get the next xbox as i normally do get every console but with everything being multiplat and now ps4 hardware being pretty much a pc, why bother when sony has the better exclusives when it comes to variety. 

And please tell everyone just how the PS4 will fail? Wii U is garbage & the 3rd xbox has what games for it and when is it being released and what makes it better than PS4? You sure are throwing a lot of crap around here while Sony is doing all the right things with PS4. 

[QUOTE="Jack-Burton"][QUOTE="bezza2011"]

Just one thought microsoft exclusives are made up of halo, gears and fable, and i hear thier other brand new ip is being titled the new halo o my god another FPS brilliant thats all i want lol, sony has such a better catalogue of different genre's in their first party publishers, i want an excuse to get the next xbox as i normally do get every console but with everything being multiplat and now ps4 hardware being pretty much a pc, why bother when sony has the better exclusives when it comes to variety. 

clr84651

And please tell everyone just how the PS4 will fail? Wii U is garbage & the 3rd xbox has what games for it and when is it being released and what makes it better than PS4? You sure are throwing a lot of crap around here while Sony is doing all the right things with PS4. 

let nintendo fanboys have there say, it will be funny when both ps4 and 720p assuming they have enough suppley out sell wiiu life time  sales  in it's first holiday.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

eehhh the powah of teh Cell didnt reach you my friend !!!!

Malta_1980

Hmm...to be realistic, the powah of the cell didn't reach anyone! In fact it almost killed Sony's brand, instead :P

good thing there's no CELL2 in the PS4 :)

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well the ps3 is the most powerful system this gen and it won so...PAL360

So few words, yet so many wrong points! Impressive :o

1. Wii won this gen, sales wise.

2. 360 won this gen, when it came to library and dev support.

3. PS3 is not more powerful than 360. Actualy i would say 360 proved to be the most capable and flexible out of the two.

If by that you actually mean

1. Sales don't matter

2. 360 is a rip off with faulty hardware and three rehashed franchises and not much more

3. The PS3 has the best graphics (more awards and graphically impressive games)

Then I agree.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well the ps3 is the most powerful system this gen and it won so...kuraimen

So few words, yet so many wrong points! Impressive :o

1. Wii won this gen, sales wise.

2. 360 won this gen, when it came to library and dev support.

3. PS3 is not more powerful than 360. Actualy i would say 360 proved to be the most capable and flexible out of the two.

If by that you actually mean

1. Sales don't matter

2. 360 is a rip off with faulty hardware and three rehashed franchises and not much more

3. The PS3 has the best graphics (more awards and graphically impressive games)

Then I agree.

first off the ps3 will end up out selling the 360 this gen. second one, samething could be said for ps3, third i would choose 360 when it comes to being the graphics winner this gen, why you say, well best looking open world game is RDR, best looking FPS is halo 4, and best looking racer is forza horizone, then you have 75% of MP games looking better on 360.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

So few words, yet so many wrong points! Impressive :o

1. Wii won this gen, sales wise.

2. 360 won this gen, when it came to library and dev support.

3. PS3 is not more powerful than 360. Actualy i would say 360 proved to be the most capable and flexible out of the two.

omarissac

If by that you actually mean

1. Sales don't matter

2. 360 is a rip off with faulty hardware and three rehashed franchises and not much more

3. The PS3 has the best graphics (more awards and graphically impressive games)

Then I agree.

first off the ps3 will end up out selling the 360 this gen. second one, samething could be said for ps3, third i would choose 360 when it comes to being the graphics winner this gen, why you say, well best looking open world game is RDR, best looking FPS is halo 4, and best looking racer is forza horizone, then you have 75% of MP games looking better on 360.

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

If by that you actually mean

1. Sales don't matter

2. 360 is a rip off with faulty hardware and three rehashed franchises and not much more

3. The PS3 has the best graphics (more awards and graphically impressive games)

Then I agree.

kuraimen

first off the ps3 will end up out selling the 360 this gen. second one, samething could be said for ps3, third i would choose 360 when it comes to being the graphics winner this gen, why you say, well best looking open world game is RDR, best looking FPS is halo 4, and best looking racer is forza horizone, then you have 75% of MP games looking better on 360.

Really? What a bunch of unsubstantiated garbage.

Do moos sneak out when you talk?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="omarissac"]

first off the ps3 will end up out selling the 360 this gen. second one, samething could be said for ps3, third i would choose 360 when it comes to being the graphics winner this gen, why you say, well best looking open world game is RDR, best looking FPS is halo 4, and best looking racer is forza horizone, then you have 75% of MP games looking better on 360.

StormyJoe

Really? What a bunch of unsubstantiated garbage.

Do moos sneak out when you talk?

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

If by that you actually mean

1. Sales don't matter

2. 360 is a rip off with faulty hardware and three rehashed franchises and not much more

3. The PS3 has the best graphics (more awards and graphically impressive games)

Then I agree.

kuraimen

first off the ps3 will end up out selling the 360 this gen. second one, samething could be said for ps3, third i would choose 360 when it comes to being the graphics winner this gen, why you say, well best looking open world game is RDR, best looking FPS is halo 4, and best looking racer is forza horizone, then you have 75% of MP games looking better on 360.

gears of war 3 is on par with uncharted 2, but uncharted 3 looks better, and i disagree with kill zone 3 having better graphics then halo 4, kill zone 3 looks cell shaded to me which is a huge turn off but anyway if you didn't own a pc and wanted the console with the best over all looking games you would have to buy a 360, and that's why i chose a 360 this gen but nextgen it's looking like ps4 will be the most powerful by far and the new controller looks great, very close to 360 but with different anolog placement and much better d-pad.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="omarissac"]

first off the ps3 will end up out selling the 360 this gen. second one, samething could be said for ps3, third i would choose 360 when it comes to being the graphics winner this gen, why you say, well best looking open world game is RDR, best looking FPS is halo 4, and best looking racer is forza horizone, then you have 75% of MP games looking better on 360.

omarissac

gears of war 3 is on par with uncharted 2, but uncharted 3 looks better, and i disagree with kill zone 3 having better graphics then halo 4, kill zone 3 looks cell shaded to me which is a huge turn off but anyway if you didn't own a pc and wanted the console with the best over all looking games you would have to buy a 360, and that's why i chose a 360 this gen but nextgen it's looking like ps4 will be the most powerful by far and the new controller looks great, very close to 360 but with different anolog placement and much better d-pad.

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Most game with graphics award this gen: Uncharted 2 Best looking hack and slash game this gen: GOW3 Best looking FPS (on consoles) this gen: Killzone 3 I'm sorry but 360 falls short...kuraimen

gears of war 3 is on par with uncharted 2, but uncharted 3 looks better, and i disagree with kill zone 3 having better graphics then halo 4, kill zone 3 looks cell shaded to me which is a huge turn off but anyway if you didn't own a pc and wanted the console with the best over all looking games you would have to buy a 360, and that's why i chose a 360 this gen but nextgen it's looking like ps4 will be the most powerful by far and the new controller looks great, very close to 360 but with different anolog placement and much better d-pad.

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

you can't desagree with factsomarissac

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="omarissac"]

gears of war 3 is on par with uncharted 2, but uncharted 3 looks better, and i disagree with kill zone 3 having better graphics then halo 4, kill zone 3 looks cell shaded to me which is a huge turn off but anyway if you didn't own a pc and wanted the console with the best over all looking games you would have to buy a 360, and that's why i chose a 360 this gen but nextgen it's looking like ps4 will be the most powerful by far and the new controller looks great, very close to 360 but with different anolog placement and much better d-pad.

omarissac

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

The difference in multiplatform games is not as big as fanboys make them out to be here in SW. There are games that look better on PS3 (via DF) but we will ignore those games because they hurt your argument.

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I disagree, I think there are better looking games on PS3 than on 360. Specially in the exclusive department where the PS3 truly shines.FragTycoon

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

The difference in multiplatform games is not as big as fanboys make them out to be here in SW. There are games that look better on PS3 (via DF) but we will ignore those games because they hurt your argument.

i could give a nice list of games that look and perform significantly worst on ps3, while the only game that i can think on ps3 being a significant difference is the first final fantasy, i'm not even a fanboy by the way, as i'm going with ps4 nextgen, and think microsoft is abandoning the core gamer, i'm just telling it like it is. it also doiesn't help that those were some of the best selling games this gen.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

omarissac

The difference in multiplatform games is not as big as fanboys make them out to be here in SW. There are games that look better on PS3 (via DF) but we will ignore those games because they hurt your argument.

i could give a nice list of games that look and perform significantly worst on ps3, while the only game that i can think on ps3 being a significant difference is the first final fantasy, i'm not even a fanboy by the way, as i'm going with ps4 nextgen, and think microsoft is abandoning the core gamer, i'm just telling it like it is. it also doiesn't help that those were some of the best selling games this gen.

Well the ps3 is the most powerful system this gen and it won so...kuraimen

[QUOTE="omarissac"]you can't desagree with factskuraimen

 the fact that MP games look better on 360, if you wanted the best looking version of MP games you have to own a 360 if didn't have a PC.

Hum, I'm pretty sure you're an alt account of some former lem, but whom I wonder? :question:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="omarissac"]you can't desagree with factsomarissac

 the fact that MP games look better on 360, if you wanted the best looking version of MP games you have to own a 360 if didn't have a PC.

Not all. There are a few MP games that are factually better on PS3, let alone some exclusives that are arguably the best looking games this gen had to offer

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="omarissac"]you can't desagree with factsomarissac

 the fact that MP games look better on 360, if you wanted the best looking version of MP games you have to own a 360 if didn't have a PC.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="omarissac"]

 

gears of war 3 is on par with uncharted 2, but uncharted 3 looks better, and i disagree with kill zone 3 having better graphics then halo 4, kill zone 3 looks cell shaded to me which is a huge turn off but anyway if you didn't own a pc and wanted the console with the best over all looking games you would have to buy a 360, and that's why i chose a 360 this gen but nextgen it's looking like ps4 will be the most powerful by far and the new controller looks great, very close to 360 but with different anolog placement and much better d-pad.

omarissac

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

Its been explained for quite some time now that the fact most MP looked and performed better on X360 were made for the 360 and then ported over to PS3. Most of the times where it happened the contrary (ex: Vanquish, L.A. Noire, FF XIII and a few others) the game ended up looking and performing better on the PS3.

Most devs were "lazy" this gen and prefered to aim to the more friendly developing console, also helped by the fact 360 software also generaly sells better. It had nothing to do with console specs but what devs were eager to do.

edit: oh, also have in mind like 80% of games this gen are made with Unreal Engine 3, an engine known to have problems with PS3

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

The difference in multiplatform games is not as big as fanboys make them out to be here in SW. There are games that look better on PS3 (via DF) but we will ignore those games because they hurt your argument.

kuraimen

i could give a nice list of games that look and perform significantly worst on ps3, while the only game that i can think on ps3 being a significant difference is the first final fantasy, i'm not even a fanboy by the way, as i'm going with ps4 nextgen, and think microsoft is abandoning the core gamer, i'm just telling it like it is. it also doiesn't help that those were some of the best selling games this gen.

I just looked at the DF faceoff, they said it performed better on 360

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="omarissac"]

 

i could give a nice list of games that look and perform significantly worst on ps3, while the only game that i can think on ps3 being a significant difference is the first final fantasy, i'm not even a fanboy by the way, as i'm going with ps4 nextgen, and think microsoft is abandoning the core gamer, i'm just telling it like it is. it also doiesn't help that those were some of the best selling games this gen.

omarissac

I just looked at the DF faceoff, they said it performed better on 360

If I remeber correctly the DA:O case, it performed better on X360 but looked better on PS3, wich isnt saying much as the game looks like sh*t, even on PC

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I disagree, I think there are better looking games on PS3 than on 360. Specially in the exclusive department where the PS3 truly shines.Vatusus

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

Its been explained for quite some time now that the fact most MP looked and performed better on X360 were made for the 360 and then ported over to PS3. Most of the times where it happened the contrary (ex: Vanquish, L.A. Noire, FF XIII and a few others) the game ended up looking and performing better on the PS3.

Most devs were "lazy" this gen and prefered to aim to the more friendly developing console, also helped by the fact 360 software also generaly sells better. It had nothing to do with console specs but what devs were eager to do.

edit: oh, also have in mind like 80% of games this gen are made with Unreal Engine 3, an engine known to have problems with PS3

even when ps3 leads 360 manages to keep up, even sometimes looking bettter like MGS rising, 360 has a better 10fps average, vanquish is about even, and FFX-2 or what ever the name is, 360 version is pretty close, i'm talking about significant diffrences, it doesn't matter what the engine is to me, if i wanted the best looking multi-platform games i would have to buy a 360 and over all 95% of games oare multi-platform.

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I disagree, I think there are better looking games on PS3 than on 360. Specially in the exclusive department where the PS3 truly shines.Vatusus

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

Its been explained for quite some time now that the fact most MP looked and performed better on X360 were made for the 360 and then ported over to PS3. Most of the times where it happened the contrary (ex: Vanquish, L.A. Noire, FF XIII and a few others) the game ended up looking and performing better on the PS3.

Most devs were "lazy" this gen and prefered to aim to the more friendly developing console, also helped by the fact 360 software also generaly sells better. It had nothing to do with console specs but what devs were eager to do.

edit: oh, also have in mind like 80% of games this gen are made with Unreal Engine 3, an engine known to have problems with PS3

I actually made the mistake of saying the weakest one always won, completely dismissing Sega considering they just didn't come to mind. This way of thinking though is actually pretty valid in comparison to my previous haphazard thoughts. Its not the weakest that always wins, but the strongest that never wins.

Specs are not the end all be all to the sales of a system in the long run. It definitely helps considering it costs devs and gamers more money for higher spec machines (for devs mainly of their own volition though), but its the games and timing that is actually the driver for sales.

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

omarissac

Its been explained for quite some time now that the fact most MP looked and performed better on X360 were made for the 360 and then ported over to PS3. Most of the times where it happened the contrary (ex: Vanquish, L.A. Noire, FF XIII and a few others) the game ended up looking and performing better on the PS3.

Most devs were "lazy" this gen and prefered to aim to the more friendly developing console, also helped by the fact 360 software also generaly sells better. It had nothing to do with console specs but what devs were eager to do.

edit: oh, also have in mind like 80% of games this gen are made with Unreal Engine 3, an engine known to have problems with PS3

even when ps3 leads 360 manages to keep up, even sometimes looking bettter like MGS rising, 360 has a better 10fps average, vanquish is about even, and FFX-2 or what ever the name is, 360 version is pretty close, i'm talking about significant diffrences, it doesn't matter what the engine is to me, if i wanted the best looking multi-platform games i would have to buy a 360 and over all 95% of games oare multi-platform.

MGR isnt exactly a graphical benchmark. Vanquish actually looked better and was way faster and responsive imo. Vanquish versions maybe close yes, still does not deny the fact it was better on PS3

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vanquish-face-off?page=3

Vanquish input lag is fairly consistent on Xbox 360, while bizarrely, in these tests the PS3 appears to be more responsive when the renderer is under load.

If you own both machines and are wondering which to buy, it's a tough one to call overall but in my view, the v-sync implementation has to give the PS3 version the edge.

Dont know about FF XIII-2, but I'm sure at the time every major comparisson gave the PS3 the edge. And you should care about the engine or at least know that is a big part of what made the X360 MP games superior before talking about wich console has the better specs. Engine builds a game, the specs only support it

so before coming and saying the x360 is more "powerfull" than the PS3 because of MP games, first learn why thats actually false

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

delta3074

Its been explained for quite some time now that the fact most MP looked and performed better on X360 were made for the 360 and then ported over to PS3. Most of the times where it happened the contrary (ex: Vanquish, L.A. Noire, FF XIII and a few others) the game ended up looking and performing better on the PS3.

Most devs were "lazy" this gen and prefered to aim to the more friendly developing console, also helped by the fact 360 software also generaly sells better. It had nothing to do with console specs but what devs were eager to do.

edit: oh, also have in mind like 80% of games this gen are made with Unreal Engine 3, an engine known to have problems with PS3

You have valid points. And I agree Sony screwed up with the PS3 architecture by making it to overcomplicated to work for, a mistake they seem to have addressed with the PS4, hopefully.

Notice I put quotes on the word "lazy". I didnt meant to say they were at fault for bad ports or not taking proper time with the PS3 version, only that it was a "lack" of budget/time/whatever that caused the vast majority of PS3 MP performing worse

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Your opinions =/= factsdelta3074

 the fact that MP games look better on 360, if you wanted the best looking version of MP games you have to own a 360 if didn't have a PC.

Killzone says high... And has destrutibles to unlike Gears.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="omarissac"]

 

 the fact that MP games look better on 360, if you wanted the best looking version of MP games you have to own a 360 if didn't have a PC.

tormentos

Killzone says high... And has destrutibles to unlike Gears.

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="omarissac"]

you can't desagree with facts, MP games on 360 mostly looked better, some with huge advantages, like COD franshise, skyrim, RDR, bioshock, mass effect and bayonita was a day and night difffrence, you think sony excusives look better that's your opinion but we have digitail foundry comparing MP games.

delta3074

Its been explained for quite some time now that the fact most MP looked and performed better on X360 were made for the 360 and then ported over to PS3. Most of the times where it happened the contrary (ex: Vanquish, L.A. Noire, FF XIII and a few others) the game ended up looking and performing better on the PS3.

Most devs were "lazy" this gen and prefered to aim to the more friendly developing console, also helped by the fact 360 software also generaly sells better. It had nothing to do with console specs but what devs were eager to do.

edit: oh, also have in mind like 80% of games this gen are made with Unreal Engine 3, an engine known to have problems with PS3

you can add DMC 4, MGS rising, mirrors edge, dead space and burnout pardise, all those games lead on ps3 but came out looking even or better looking on 360.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Vatusus"]

Its been explained for quite some time now that the fact most MP looked and performed better on X360 were made for the 360 and then ported over to PS3. Most of the times where it happened the contrary (ex: Vanquish, L.A. Noire, FF XIII and a few others) the game ended up looking and performing better on the PS3.

Most devs were "lazy" this gen and prefered to aim to the more friendly developing console, also helped by the fact 360 software also generaly sells better. It had nothing to do with console specs but what devs were eager to do.

edit: oh, also have in mind like 80% of games this gen are made with Unreal Engine 3, an engine known to have problems with PS3

Vatusus

You have valid points. And I agree Sony screwed up with the PS3 architecture by making it to overcomplicated to work for, a mistake they seem to have addressed with the PS4, hopefully.

Notice I put quotes on the word "lazy". I didnt meant to say they were at fault for bad ports or not taking proper time with the PS3 version, only that it was a "lack" of budget/time/whatever that caused the vast majority of PS3 MP performing worse

pretty obvious that so far better specs insure you lose.

sure people want to argue the exception to the rule is snes being better than genesis but i always thought the sonic games were proof that the genesis had more going on under the hood than the snes had.

maybe this will be the 1st gen where the console with the most horsepower wins. you never know.

pretty obvious that so far better specs insure you lose.

sure people want to argue the exception to the rule is snes being better than genesis but i always thought the sonic games were proof that the genesis had more going on under the hood than the snes had.

maybe this will be the 1st gen where the console with the most horsepower wins. you never know.

Riverwolf007

its really a stupid comparsion,a system that comes out later will always have better specs, the playstation 1 and 2 were very high tech and expensive for there time a, systems came out a year and half later and had better specs , no shi! if they all came out at the sametime, they would all be very close in power, with sony probably having the most powerful consoles, and still would have won those gens easily.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Most game with graphics award this gen: Uncharted 2 Best looking hack and slash game this gen: GOW3 Best looking FPS (on consoles) this gen: Killzone 3 I'm sorry but 360 falls short...kuraimen

Really? What a bunch of unsubstantiated garbage.

Do moos sneak out when you talk?

Killzone 3 better looking that Crysis 2/3? Whatever, dude.

BECAUSE GDDR5, B1TCH!

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Vatusus"]

Its been explained for quite some time now that the fact most MP looked and performed better on X360 were made for the 360 and then ported over to PS3. Most of the times where it happened the contrary (ex: Vanquish, L.A. Noire, FF XIII and a few others) the game ended up looking and performing better on the PS3.

Most devs were "lazy" this gen and prefered to aim to the more friendly developing console, also helped by the fact 360 software also generaly sells better. It had nothing to do with console specs but what devs were eager to do.

edit: oh, also have in mind like 80% of games this gen are made with Unreal Engine 3, an engine known to have problems with PS3

omarissac

you can add DMC 4, MGS rising, mirrors edge, dead space and burnout pardise, all those games lead on ps3 but came out looking even or better looking on 360.

What a load of BS

DMC4 and Burnout Paradise both are better on PS3, even if slightly

http://www.videogamer.com/ps3/burnout_5/features/article/burnout_paradise_xbox_360_vs_playstation_3.html

The PS3 game wins, but it's by the smallest margin.

Features
DMC4 offers a mostly identical experience across both platforms. You'll find the same staggering number of unlockable difficulty levels on both Xbox 360 and PS3, going from the breezy "Human" to the utterly insane "Heaven or Hell" mode. Outside of tweaking the difficulty, DMC4 offers players a challenge arena called Bloody Palace where players will be able to take on wave after wave of enemies to hone their skills and complete a series of progressively difficult missions to access more unlockable booty. Said booty is also identical across both platforms, offering a story theater for viewing the game's prolific cutscenes, a concept art gallery, and a kind of bestiary that will let you study enemy models. Both versions also allow players to post their high scores for individual levels to leaderboards.

The only other major feature in DMC4 is the built-in achievement function which will, likely, be a point where some people develop their own preference for one particular version. The actual achievements are mostly the same across both PS3 and 360, however the interface is slightly different. The 360 offers the same XBL message box that pops up in the corner of the screen when a new achievement is unlocked, and then the running tally is kept in the blade menu. On the PS3, achievement messages are delivered on a separate system-level screen (like the one you get when you hit the PS button on the SixAxis to turn off the console) that takes you out of the game for a few quick seconds. It's a little more intrusive and doesn't seem to connect to any additional PSN features (though there's been much speculation about eventual integration of these achievements into Home?we'll have to wait and see).

On a basic level, the achievements add a lot of repeatability to the game, built around replaying the single player over and over again. Having achievements in the PS3 is a great addition, but long-time 360 fans will probably prefer grabbing the points for their gamer score. Since that's a system-level feature and not a fault of the game itself we won't use that as grounds to favor one version or the other. Otherwise, the feature-set is identical on both PS3 and 360.

Overall
1. PS3 & Xbox 360

Control
DMC4 is a game built around precision controls and stringing endless combo chains together to get a new high score. The controller has a crucial role to play in that process and here, mileage will vary drastically depending on your preferred input device. Technically, the SixAxis and 360 controllers offer an identical number of inputs and the DMC4 controls are mapped in the same exact way across both versions. You'll attack and jump with the face buttons, control the camera (when the game allows it) with the right analog stick, and switch fighting styles with Dante using the d-pad. You can lock on with the right bumper on the 360 or the R1 button on the SixAxis. The left trigger, and L2 button respectively, is used to rev up Nero's Red Queen sword for added damage. When you unlock Dante, you'll use the right trigger, or R2 button, to switch weapons.

Objectively, the game's controls are far more similar than dissimilar. Still there's no denying the significant differences in the actual hardware. The 360's controller is a great piece of ergonomic design with really solid analog sticks and great analog triggers. The bumpers, however, aren't as convenient to access at regular intervals during intense sword battles, and it definitely feels awkward having to hold down the right bumper to stay locked on during a frantic fight with multiple enemies on screen. The inclusion of rumble is also a nice visceral part to the mix, offering a small but palpable bit of feedback during battle.

The SixAxis is a lighter controller with soft, breezy analog sticks, but better access to the R1 button during combat. It doesn't feel nearly as awkward holding down R1 while trying to keep a combo going as it does the 360's bumper. Players familiar with the DMC series may also feel more naturally at home on SixAxis as the game has always been made for Sony controllers. DMC4 definitely feels light and nimble when you've got a SixAxis in your hand, assuming you don't mind forgoing rumble, which we're willing to wager many players won't want to do. SixAxis also allows players to assign camera control to the controller's tilt function, but the feature isn't nearly sensitive enough and proves far too awkward to use in the heat of battle. It's an entirely negligible add-on that most no one will use.

Ultimately, neither controller is inherently better or worse than the other and the option for customizing your controls should allow fans to find a comfortable way to play the game on either console. I tend to prefer the PS3's spongy analog sticks and flat face buttons, but just as many people will get more mileage out of the 360's tight analog sticks and rumble

Overall
1. PS3 & Xbox 360

Graphics
DMC4 features some richly detailed gothic environments, imaginatively conceived enemies, and massive levels set across sprawling castles and maze-like forests. It's an impressive workload to run through any console, and while most multi-console games have featured a noticeable difference in graphical fidelity from the 360 to the PS3, DMC4 looks near identical on both platforms. You'll be getting similarly detailed texture resolutions, the same animations, the same particle effects and lighting. Capcom really has done a tremendous job coaxing an almost indistinguishable visual experience from both consoles and we take our hats off to them.

Some hardcore videophiles will notice that the PS3 version of the game has a slightly crisper over-all look. We did a series of tests checking texture resolution and environmental detail in both versions, flicking back and forth between the two consoles on one monitor, and while it seems that the textures and environmental assets appear to be the same, there's something slightly muddy about the 360 version in comparison. It's a marginal difference that we would have never noticed had we not been switching back and forth between the two versions with our faces 6 inches from the monitor combing for discrepancies. The game looks 99% identical across both platforms, and it's not an issue where Capcom has dialed back detail or simplified texture resolution, but something in the way the PS3 renders an image on screen appears marginally sharper than the 360. PS3 gets the nod here, but only by the thinnest of margins.

Overall
1. PS3
2. Xbox 360

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-16-article?page=2

 

DICE has done a magnificent job on both versions, regardless of the platform it may have led on, and Unreal Engine 3 has been proven as a cross-platform middleware capable - with minor compromises - in producing like-for-like multiformat games.

 In terms of real-life impact, the tearing is a minor annoyance on the PS3 Dead Space, taken by IGN inside

Graphics
If there's one category that should matter most for a game like Dead Space it's the graphics. So which version is better? EA Redwood Shores has done an outstanding job of making sure the game looks and runs identically on both consoles. Dead Space is brought to life with an impressive lighting model, high-resolution textures, and a remarkably detailed character model for Isaac. The color palate is comparatively limited to the industrial grays and blacks of a futuristic space station, but the significant amount of environmental detail is always impressive.

The 360 and PS3 versions of the game are all but indistinguishable. There is a small difference in the ways each render color, but with Dead Space's flexible brightness customization, you should be able to get an equally impressive image with both versions. Dead Space doesn't always have the smoothest framerate. You'll notices some hitches if you make wide camera swings in new areas. There's also a bit of slowdown in some rooms with a lot of enemies. This happened in equal measure on both the 360 and PS3. Videophiles might have some issues with the slowdown, but I actually found it enhanced the play experience, exacerbating the sense of fear and helplessness. Finally, you'll get a terrifically detailed and atmospheric game on both consoles, neither is inherently better than the other.

Overall
1. Xbox 360 & PS3

Overall
EA Redwood Shores has done one of the best jobs I've seen of making sure their game runs equally well on the 360 and PS3. The game looks great, sounds great, and plays great on both platforms. Neither version is missing a crucial feature, and EA has outdone most other major third party publishers by including Trophy support in the PS3 version. The game runs identically on both platforms, and controls equally as well on either controller. You'll be able to save yourself a few seconds when loading a saved game on the PS3 version, but this isn't something you'd notice unless you were actively timing it. Ultimately, the PS3 and 360 version of the game will deliver an identically entertaining and atmospheric experience.

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so please, dont lie to suit your fanboyish needs