so well all agree the Ninja Gaiden: Black is?

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#1 Posted by LanternCorps (57 posts) -

still the greatest action game ever created

#2 Edited by da_illest101 (7405 posts) -

nope

god of war 2 is

we will never all agree

#3 Posted by LanternCorps (57 posts) -

@da_illest101: god of war 2 is trash in terms of technical gameplay...maybe presentation wise..but ninja gaiden is much better then the gow series

#4 Posted by StrongDeadlift (5129 posts) -

Thats not how you spell DMC1.

#5 Posted by Ghost120x (3632 posts) -

I can agree with that.

#6 Posted by da_illest101 (7405 posts) -

@lanterncorps: I disagree, I find god of war has the best gameplay and presentation. Nothing wrong with ninja gaiden great serie, except the third one, I just don't find it as good as god of war

#7 Edited by Vatusus (4223 posts) -

Nope. DMC3 is imo. (the original not the newb aimed Special Edition)

In fact, I'm a HnS fan and played almost all of the main series and beyond... I would rate them like this

DMC 3 > GoW 1 > MGR:R > Bayonetta > GoW 2 > DMC 1 > NGB/NGS > GoW3/A > DMC4/DmC > NG2/S2 > NG3:RE > DMC 2

This is my honest opinion on the genre, though have in mind I'm counting this titles based on their overall quality, NOT combat alone cause if so then GoW would be last

#8 Edited by Vatusus (4223 posts) -

@lanterncorps said:

@da_illest101: god of war 2 is trash in terms of technical gameplay...maybe presentation wise..but ninja gaiden is much better then the gow series

What do you mean "technical gameplay"? Cause I hope you're not confusing "gameplay" with "combat". NG combat is better than GoW, sure but what about platforming? Puzzles? etc,etc. GoW is technically a better game than NG cause its a more varied game and well made aswell. NG camera for example, is simply atrocious and THAT afects gameplay. So no, NG gameplay isnt better than GoW, its combat is...

#9 Edited by LanternCorps (57 posts) -

@Vatusus: and its combat is way better

how can you put god of war 1 better then bayonetta in terms of combat depth, are you serious

what about DMC 4 best combat engine their is...

#10 Posted by Netret0120 (1886 posts) -

In my Opinion God of War 1 or 2 are the best. Loved those games.

But Ninja gaiden is a fantastic game too

#11 Edited by Pikminmaniac (8570 posts) -

People have varying opinions... We won't all agree n anything

I'm personally fond of the Japanese developed Devil May Cry franchise with their perfect and deep control schemes and a ranking system that pushes it beyond most other hack n slashes completely.

God of War doesn't belong in this thread when it's up against DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Metal Gear Rising, and Bayonetta all of which have far superior combat mechanics.

#12 Posted by Seabas989 (9940 posts) -

I've only played NG and not NG:B but I loved it.

That being said DMC1 is my personal favorite of the genre.

#13 Posted by stereointegrity (10668 posts) -

the only thing NG Black is...is hard as fuck...my god...this game isnt for the weak

#14 Edited by Vatusus (4223 posts) -

@Vatusus: and its combat is way better

how can you put god of war 1 better then bayonetta in terms of combat depth, are you serious

what about DMC 4 best combat engine their is...

are you mentally challenged? learn2read

I said: "I'm counting this titles based on their overall quality, NOT combat alone"

#15 Posted by Vatusus (4223 posts) -

God of War doesn't belong in this thread when it's up against DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Metal Gear Rising, and Bayonetta all of which have far superior combat mechanics.

Oh, shut up with your pretentiousness.GoW deserves very much to be in this thread cause OP asked wich is the best action game, not "best combat in a action game". You dont like cinematic games but others do, and GoW is among the best, like it or not

#16 Posted by lostrib (31445 posts) -

Black? sounds kind of racist

#17 Posted by Blabadon (25184 posts) -

Contains the worst camera ever in a video game? Yus.

#18 Edited by Gue1 (9088 posts) -

I agree. Too bad Itagaki tried so hard to copy God of War and ruined everything. I remember reading an interview on Gamepro where he dissed GOW because the game was a button masher with many enemies but dumb AI. Itagaki said that what made Ninja Gaiden superior to every other action game was his focus on better AI over numbers... Right... Then he made Ninja Gaiden 2....

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ev33v7E_Pw

But anyway, action games these days are all about mashing buttons and insanely over the top action on screen. So, Ninja Gaiden is literally the only one of its kind. =/

#19 Posted by da_illest101 (7405 posts) -

@Vatusus said:

@lanterncorps said:

@da_illest101: god of war 2 is trash in terms of technical gameplay...maybe presentation wise..but ninja gaiden is much better then the gow series

What do you mean "technical gameplay"? Cause I hope you're not confusing "gameplay" with "combat". NG combat is better than GoW, sure but what about platforming? Puzzles? etc,etc. GoW is technically a better game than NG cause its a more varied game and well made aswell. NG camera for example, is simply atrocious and THAT afects gameplay. So no, NG gameplay isnt better than GoW, its combat is...

I meant to say technical and gameplay. I disagree with you though I find God of war combat better than NG. I have yet to play a game where I enjoyed the combat more than god of war's style. To me it's better than Ng, DMC and bayonetrash ( to me that game was all flash no substance). I haven't played Mgs rising so I can't comment on it, but I'm not a fan of platinum games so my hopes aren't very high. When it comes to DMC I only played the fourth one ( I keep hearing the third one is the best, but I haven't played) and I'm currently downloading the new DMC. I'll play it eventually, I have other games that I'm into.

#20 Edited by Vatusus (4223 posts) -

@Vatusus said:

@lanterncorps said:

@da_illest101: god of war 2 is trash in terms of technical gameplay...maybe presentation wise..but ninja gaiden is much better then the gow series

What do you mean "technical gameplay"? Cause I hope you're not confusing "gameplay" with "combat". NG combat is better than GoW, sure but what about platforming? Puzzles? etc,etc. GoW is technically a better game than NG cause its a more varied game and well made aswell. NG camera for example, is simply atrocious and THAT afects gameplay. So no, NG gameplay isnt better than GoW, its combat is...

I meant to say technical and gameplay. I disagree with you though I find God of war combat better than NG. I have yet to play a game where I enjoyed the combat more than god of war's style. To me it's better than Ng, DMC and bayonetrash ( to me that game was all flash no substance). I haven't played Mgs rising so I can't comment on it, but I'm not a fan of platinum games so my hopes aren't very high. When it comes to DMC I only played the fourth one ( I keep hearing the third one is the best, but I haven't played) and I'm currently downloading the new DMC. I'll play it eventually, I have other games that I'm into.

My reply was aimed @ lanterncorps, not you. sorry

#21 Posted by musicalmac (22650 posts) -

After playing it almost to the end, I can understand why many people would put it among their top action games of all time. However, it does not reside there with mine. I enjoyed Bayonetta significantly more than I did the game in question here.

#22 Edited by PrincessGomez92 (3218 posts) -

Nah, Lollipop Chainsaw is, followed by Blades of Time.

#23 Posted by Pikminmaniac (8570 posts) -

@Vatusus said:
@Pikminmaniac said:

God of War doesn't belong in this thread when it's up against DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Metal Gear Rising, and Bayonetta all of which have far superior combat mechanics.

Oh, shut up with your pretentiousness.GoW deserves very much to be in this thread cause OP asked wich is the best action game, not "best combat in a action game". You dont like cinematic games but others do, and GoW is among the best, like it or not

I actually really liked the first God of War a lot, but I also really like injustice. When asked what the best fighter is, I'd never mention injustice in a million years. When asked what the best action game is, I look at the core components that are most important to an action game and that's the combat above all else. So God of War, while adding some great puzzles to the mix, gets disqualified for me. Its action elements don't compete

#24 Posted by Stringerboy (6887 posts) -

DMC3.

Black is amazing but it's just not CURAHZEE enough.

#25 Posted by Syn_Valence (1327 posts) -

DMC 2 was the best we all know it

#26 Posted by heretrix (37244 posts) -

Since NGB I still haven't played a game that made me feel like a badass without making all of the enemies weak ass fodder or trying to counter my badassedness with really cheap ass enemies.

NGB, for me somehow hit that sweet spot. A regular enemy could kill you just as fast as a boss if you weren't careful and for some reason it never felt cheap.

#27 Edited by jg4xchamp (46604 posts) -

Fuck yeah it is.

Ninja Gaiden Black is godly.

#28 Posted by EtherealMachine (86 posts) -

Agreed, with Devil May Cry 3 being a close 2nd.

#29 Posted by Vatusus (4223 posts) -

@Vatusus said:
@Pikminmaniac said:

God of War doesn't belong in this thread when it's up against DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Metal Gear Rising, and Bayonetta all of which have far superior combat mechanics.

Oh, shut up with your pretentiousness.GoW deserves very much to be in this thread cause OP asked wich is the best action game, not "best combat in a action game". You dont like cinematic games but others do, and GoW is among the best, like it or not

I actually really liked the first God of War a lot, but I also really like injustice. When asked what the best fighter is, I'd never mention injustice in a million years. When asked what the best action game is, I look at the core components that are most important to an action game and that's the combat above all else. So God of War, while adding some great puzzles to the mix, gets disqualified for me.

See, I have no prob with your opinion but when someone reads "GoW doesnt belong in this thread" I'll take that kind of moronic sentence as something said by someone who thinks his opinion is fact when its not.

#30 Posted by Vaasman (11124 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

Contains the worst camera ever in a video game? Yus.

Na. Ninja Gaiden's camera isn't good, but it's serviceable. Ninja Gaiden 2's camera on the other hand.......

#31 Posted by madsnakehhh (13969 posts) -

Nop, i have to go with Devil May Cry 3 on this one.

#32 Posted by jg4xchamp (46604 posts) -

@Vatusus said:

@lanterncorps said:

@da_illest101: god of war 2 is trash in terms of technical gameplay...maybe presentation wise..but ninja gaiden is much better then the gow series

What do you mean "technical gameplay"? Cause I hope you're not confusing "gameplay" with "combat". NG combat is better than GoW, sure but what about platforming? Puzzles? etc,etc. GoW is technically a better game than NG cause its a more varied game and well made aswell. NG camera for example, is simply atrocious and THAT afects gameplay. So no, NG gameplay isnt better than GoW, its combat is...

Platforming that has nothing really going for it other than being a get you to point A and point B mechanic that's only really used for the sake of pacing, and puzzles that require one to be exceptionally stupid for them to be considered a mild threat or even remotely clever. At best all those mechanics do is help pace the action of God of War 2, but the overall gameplay is easily inferior to a NG game. Be it in raw depth or moment to moment gameplay segment. NG flat out plays better and is a more satisfying experience for it.

God of War is, has, and always will be glorified shallow horse piss.

#33 Posted by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

NGB is my #1, but NG2, DMC3 and Bayo are all great as well.

And lol at GoW even being mentioned in this topic. GoW does many things well, but not gameplay. Comparing GoW to NGB is like comparing Little Big Planet to Super Meat Boy, or Mortal Kombat 1 to Street Fighter II.

#34 Posted by jg4xchamp (46604 posts) -

NGB is my #1, but NG2,

Just started Master Ninja on NG2 the other day, holy fucking nonsense. Those white archers are the mother fucking devil. Even worse if they have an incendiary shuriken. Mother fuckers throw strikes on the fucking money like they are Aaron Rodgers or something. Got to the Falcon Talons part, and promptly got my ass handed to me.

This is bullshit conan.

#35 Posted by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

Just started Master Ninja on NG2 the other day, holy fucking nonsense. Those white archers are the mother fucking devil. Even worse if they have an incendiary shuriken. Mother fuckers throw strikes on the fucking money like they are Aaron Rodgers or something. Got to the Falcon Talons part, and promptly got my ass handed to me.

This is bullshit conan.

Haha yeah man, bullshit is putting it lightly. Even if you manage to dodge the incendiary shuriken, you still might get caught by the splash damage... fucking BRUTAL game.

I couldn't even manage it on my own, I would visit the NG2 boards every day and use it as a support group. Some guy named Remi pretty much dissected the game and would walk us through each encounter like a bunch of babies...

Good luck man, I don't have that kind of patience anymore.

#36 Posted by jg4xchamp (46604 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

Just started Master Ninja on NG2 the other day, holy fucking nonsense. Those white archers are the mother fucking devil. Even worse if they have an incendiary shuriken. Mother fuckers throw strikes on the fucking money like they are Aaron Rodgers or something. Got to the Falcon Talons part, and promptly got my ass handed to me.

This is bullshit conan.

Haha yeah man, bullshit is putting it lightly. Even if you manage to dodge the incendiary shuriken, you still might get caught by the splash damage... fucking BRUTAL game.

I couldn't even manage it on my own, I would visit the NG2 boards every day and use it as a support group. Some guy named Remi pretty much dissected the game and would walk us through each encounter like a bunch of babies...

Good luck man, I don't have that kind of patience anymore.

It's so infuriating man. The wife came in asking what i wanted for dinner, and I damn near exploded because of being shuriken raped for the umpteenth time. Itagaki that cookie faced asshole.

But that feel when you conquer a chapter on Master Ninja: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD DAMN!!!

#37 Posted by getyeryayasout (6868 posts) -

I agree that NGB was sent to us from above upon the wings of angels to devistate lame first person shooters and Izuna Drop mind numbing RPGs. Thank you ItaGodki, may I have another?

#38 Edited by killatwill15 (845 posts) -

the only thing NG Black is...is hard as fuck...my god...this game isnt for the weak

I beat the game 5 times, all the challenges, but haven't got through master ninja difficulty sp.

it made me cry when I was a kid literally.....

the nunchuku in that game,

best weapon in any action game period

I agree that NGB was sent to us from above upon the wings of angels to devistate lame first person shooters and Izuna Drop mind numbing RPGs. Thank you ItaGodki, may I have another?

lets hope so,

the devils third better be the next kid Icarus in terms of how smooth and seamless the transition from guns to melee

#39 Edited by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

It's so infuriating man. The wife came in asking what i wanted for dinner, and I damn near exploded because of being shuriken raped for the umpteenth time. Itagaki that cookie faced asshole.

But that feel when you conquer a chapter on Master Ninja: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD DAMN!!!

Hell yes man, so damn rewarding! I was more excited when I cleared Master Ninja than I was when I got my degree... not even shitting you lol. I remember stepping outside and yelling at the top of my lungs. It went something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-GZvNqch30

#40 Posted by getyeryayasout (6868 posts) -

@ConanTheStoner: You should add it to you resume, "Not only are you hired, but you are now boss, we work for you." :P @killatwill15: In Itagaki I trust.

#41 Posted by blamix99 (1532 posts) -

God of War>>>>DMC>>>>Ninja Gaiden. in my opinion of course

#42 Posted by killerfist (19805 posts) -

For me it still remains the best, yes.

#43 Edited by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

@getyeryayasout: Bro, its already the header of my cover letter. And yes, those results are spot on.

#44 Edited by VanDammFan (4210 posts) -

the only thing NG Black is...is hard as fuck...my god...this game isnt for the weak

which is why i played it for 20min..then stopped..I dont mind a little challenge,but when a game makes me mad and i have to do things over and over 10x..im done..i dont have time for that mess.

#45 Edited by fend_oblivion (6110 posts) -

@stereointegrity said:

the only thing NG Black is...is hard as fuck...my god...this game isnt for the weak

The thing is, when you go into the game, do not expect your enemies to stand around like ornamentation. And do not think you can go button mashing either. Attack once or twice and prepare to either block or roll the hell away because your enemies can and will flank and destroy you. Use devastating combos only when you know you are in the clear. Understand UTs (Ultimate Techniques) and how perform on-land-charge-UTs. Observe how Ninpo magic, certain frames of rolling etc. grants you Invincibility Frames (IFs). Use the concept of IFs to literally go through attacks that usually hit you.

Keep this in mind and you should be able to do reasonably well. At least NGB doesn't have projectile spam like NG 2. My goodness, NG 2 is like a projectile spammer's wet dream.

#46 Edited by Lucianu (9287 posts) -

@VanDammFan said:

@stereointegrity said:

the only thing NG Black is...is hard as fuck...my god...this game isnt for the weak

which is why i played it for 20min..then stopped..I dont mind a little challenge,but when a game makes me mad and i have to do things over and over 10x..im done..i dont have time for that mess.

Then you should have switched to ninja dog difficulty, like i have done in the past. Normal difficulty was ridiculously hard, though dying a few times (three times iirc) i could unlock the ninja dog difficulty level which is much more lenient.

The first boss is one of the hardest in the game, i died like.. 4 times at him, yet i had no problem with the next 5 bosses because by then i learned how to play and had plenty of health potions. The bone dragon is my favorite boss up until that stage.

After that, there are certain combos you can learn early in the game that makes it even more easier to fight almost every single enemy in the game, like the Flying Swallow, now that particular combo is very easy to perform and has saved me countless times out of a fight.

Just be defensive and methodical with your approach to any combat situation.

#47 Edited by Vatusus (4223 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

@Vatusus said:

@lanterncorps said:

@da_illest101: god of war 2 is trash in terms of technical gameplay...maybe presentation wise..but ninja gaiden is much better then the gow series

What do you mean "technical gameplay"? Cause I hope you're not confusing "gameplay" with "combat". NG combat is better than GoW, sure but what about platforming? Puzzles? etc,etc. GoW is technically a better game than NG cause its a more varied game and well made aswell. NG camera for example, is simply atrocious and THAT afects gameplay. So no, NG gameplay isnt better than GoW, its o combat is...

Platforming that has nothing really going for it other than being a get you to point A and point B mechanic that's only really used for the sake of pacing, and puzzles that require one to be exceptionally stupid for them to be considered a mild threat or even remotely clever. At best all those mechanics do is help pace the action of God of War 2, but the overall gameplay is easily inferior to a NG game. Be it in raw depth or moment to moment gameplay segment. NG flat out plays better and is a more satisfying experience for it.

God of War is, has, and always will be glorified shallow horse piss.

Cool opinion you got there bra. One me and many others dont agree with. NG gameplay is fast and satisfying but rather shallow when compared to the complexity of a DMC 3/4, Bayonetta or even MGR. When compared to these NG gameplay is horse piss. More flash over substance and NG3:RE proved that, cause even with the same combat as the others the game was still trashed critically, proving its combat alone cant carry the game on its own, contrary to the likes of DMC or Bayonetta. Thats shows shallow mechanics if you ask me. And I like how you refer pacing as not being gamplay, when its directly connected with it. Sure GoWs platforming isnt the best you can find or the puzzles overcomplex but they had a nice change of pace from the main mechanics wich IS gameplay. For me, overall as a game GoW managed to entertain me more than any NG, and yes, I played all of them besides the original NG before black. Give me combo based combat over a mechanic based on blocking and dodging any time of the week.

#48 Edited by MightyMuna (1731 posts) -

DMC1 > DMC3 > NGB/S > BAYONETTA > NG2 > GOW3 > GOW2 > GOW1 > DMC4 > DMC2=NG3

#49 Edited by VanDammFan (4210 posts) -

@Lucianu said:

@VanDammFan said:

@stereointegrity said:

the only thing NG Black is...is hard as fuck...my god...this game isnt for the weak

which is why i played it for 20min..then stopped..I dont mind a little challenge,but when a game makes me mad and i have to do things over and over 10x..im done..i dont have time for that mess.

Then you should have switched to ninja dog difficulty, like i have done in the past. Normal difficulty was ridiculously hard, though dying a few times (three times iirc) i could unlock the ninja dog difficulty level which is much more lenient.

The first boss is one of the hardest in the game, i died like.. 4 times at him, yet i had no problem with the next 5 bosses because by then i learned how to play and had plenty of health potions. The bone dragon is my favorite boss up until that stage.

After that, there are certain combos you can learn early in the game that makes it even more easier to fight almost every single enemy in the game, like the Flying Swallow, now that particular combo is very easy to perform and has saved me countless times out of a fight.

Just be defensive and methodical with your approach to any combat situation.

stick N move..stick N move!!..RUN N MOVE!!!..lol

#50 Edited by kemar7856 (11506 posts) -

one of the very few challenging games made after the xbox era today I rarely find a game where I get frustrated dying so much that I have to quit for then try agian later