So wait... Who was second place last gen?

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#101 Posted by kingtito (4909 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

Up your butt. Google- PS3 passes 360 in sales. I'm sick of showing proof to all you morons, just to have you deny it over and over. You're fans of another system, therefore no proof will change your minds or get you to back off of your BS mindsets.

But you haven't shown proof. You've linked VGChartz which EVERYONE knows isn't proof and very unreliable.

You saying Google has then ahead isn't proof either. Sorry dude but you didn't "win" anything other than to prove that you're incapable of providing proof.

#102 Posted by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@kingtito said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

PS3 and Sony for starting the race a year later and catching the 360 in sales. It was MS's race to lose to Sony and they managed to.

So MS gained marketshare, while sony lost a significant marketshare....but MS is the loser?

Yes, it was their's to lose. This gen is Sony's to lose. It's called having a lead and blowing it.

Coming from PS2, it was sony's to lose which they did. Xbox only gained last gen, sony lost

Wrong! If Sony lost then Xbox One would also be winning. PS3 came from behind because MS failed to support the 360 with games the last 2.5 years. The X1 is losing because of mistakes MS made. People became more interested in Playstation because MS failed after being successful for many years with the 360. MS lead many to have a bad taste in their mouths about MS.

Is THAT what happened with the Wii? Sony won the 6th gen so the it won the 7th gen? Oh wait, it didn't win, the Wii did. Guess that blows that theory out of the water.

According to you, the reining champion ISN'T the favorite? It's the team that starts 1st? Got it, makes ZERO sense though but what else would we expect.

I know the Wii won. This is about the PS3 passing the 360. Lems have 0 proof of 360 outselling, while I have shown multiple times proof and they keep denying it. Something Lems are very good at.

#103 Posted by TigerSuperman (2241 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

Up your butt. Google- PS3 passes 360 in sales. I'm sick of showing proof to all you morons, just to have you deny it over and over. You're fans of another system, therefore no proof will change your minds or get you to back off of your BS mindsets.

Is that why almost all sites that have sale snot Vgchartz have not moved them beyond 80 million? IGN/ EGM Wikipedia, Forbes, GI, CVG, Intertrack, etc.

You don't have any proof. You listed a site that SAYS they make estimates. Right there on the site. They don't have a source for their estimates either.

And you have Vgchartz, which if you use the wayback machine or go see the article on CVG. You will see they pushed the PS3 numbers to 81 million BEFORE sonys 80 million announcement. Clearly not accurate. Oh and that Blacklist selling 13 million copies thing. That's legit right lol.

Come on man where are those MANY links you were talking about? You said you had them.

#104 Posted by kingtito (4909 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@kingtito said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

PS3 and Sony for starting the race a year later and catching the 360 in sales. It was MS's race to lose to Sony and they managed to.

So MS gained marketshare, while sony lost a significant marketshare....but MS is the loser?

Yes, it was their's to lose. This gen is Sony's to lose. It's called having a lead and blowing it.

Coming from PS2, it was sony's to lose which they did. Xbox only gained last gen, sony lost

Wrong! If Sony lost then Xbox One would also be winning. PS3 came from behind because MS failed to support the 360 with games the last 2.5 years. The X1 is losing because of mistakes MS made. People became more interested in Playstation because MS failed after being successful for many years with the 360. MS lead many to have a bad taste in their mouths about MS.

Is THAT what happened with the Wii? Sony won the 6th gen so the it won the 7th gen? Oh wait, it didn't win, the Wii did. Guess that blows that theory out of the water.

According to you, the reining champion ISN'T the favorite? It's the team that starts 1st? Got it, makes ZERO sense though but what else would we expect.

I know the Wii won. This is about the PS3 passing the 360. Lems have 0 proof of 360 outselling, while I have shown multiple times proof and they keep denying it. Something Lems are very good at.

No you've shown VGhartz dude, stop acting like that's legit proof.

According to the OFFICIAL numbers released by BOTH companies the 360 was ahead since it's numbers were announced BEFORE the PS3 numbers. It also didn't combine numbers unlike Sony did with the PS3 & PS2 numbers.

Show factual proof and NOT VHCgartz numbers

#105 Edited by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@kingtito said:

@clr84651 said:

Up your butt. Google- PS3 passes 360 in sales. I'm sick of showing proof to all you morons, just to have you deny it over and over. You're fans of another system, therefore no proof will change your minds or get you to back off of your BS mindsets.

But you haven't shown proof. You've linked VGChartz which EVERYONE knows isn't proof and very unreliable.

You saying Google has then ahead isn't proof either. Sorry dude but you didn't "win" anything other than to prove that you're incapable of providing proof.

You show me proof the 360 is ahead. Not even 1 site has been shown to me. Google "PS3 passes the 360 in sales". There's tons of proof. You are ignorant to the facts to say otherwise.

You need to understand that to prove me wrong when I show sites backing up what I say, you need to show sites backing up what you say and/or proves me wrong.

#106 Edited by lostrib (35888 posts) -

holy shit, who did I piss off? I came back from lunch and had like 10+ notifications to sort through

#107 Posted by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@kingtito said:

@clr84651 said:

Up your butt. Google- PS3 passes 360 in sales. I'm sick of showing proof to all you morons, just to have you deny it over and over. You're fans of another system, therefore no proof will change your minds or get you to back off of your BS mindsets.

But you haven't shown proof. You've linked VGChartz which EVERYONE knows isn't proof and very unreliable.

You saying Google has then ahead isn't proof either. Sorry dude but you didn't "win" anything other than to prove that you're incapable of providing proof.

You show me proof the 360 is ahead. Not even 1 site has been shown to me. Google "PS3 passes the 360 in sales". There's tons of proof. You are ignorant to the facts to say otherwise.

You need to understand that to prove me wrong when I show sites backing up what I say, you need to show sites backing up what you say and/or proves me wrong.

well, except when your facts aren't really facts

#109 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4680 posts) -

it would make sense and be sensible to do a worldwide census of consoles.

someone get to work pl0x.

#110 Posted by kingtito (4909 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@kingtito said:

@clr84651 said:

Up your butt. Google- PS3 passes 360 in sales. I'm sick of showing proof to all you morons, just to have you deny it over and over. You're fans of another system, therefore no proof will change your minds or get you to back off of your BS mindsets.

But you haven't shown proof. You've linked VGChartz which EVERYONE knows isn't proof and very unreliable.

You saying Google has then ahead isn't proof either. Sorry dude but you didn't "win" anything other than to prove that you're incapable of providing proof.

You show me proof the 360 is ahead. Not even 1 site has been shown to me. Google "PS3 passes the 360 in sales". There's tons of proof. You are ignorant to the facts to say otherwise.

You need to understand that to prove me wrong when I show sites backing up what I say, you need to show sites backing up what you say and/or proves me wrong.

I don't need to show YOU any proof. I'm not running around making claims nor am I using inaccurate sites like VGChartz OR sites that clearly state they're using estimates. I'm going by the OFFICIAL numbers dude not site estimates. I'm still waiting for YOUR proof, I won't hold my breath though.

#111 Edited by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

holy shit, who did I piss off? I came back from lunch and had like 10+ notifications to sort through

Look, just accept that the PS3 came from behind and passed the 360. The Wii won and we all know this. I have shown proof. Here's more proof. I have no proof of any kind from anyone.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/10/report-ps3-surpasses-xbox-360s-worldwide-shipped-total

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/06/ps3-sales-pass-80-million-worldwide-4332-titles-on-system-to-date/

http://bgr.com/2013/10/18/xbox-360-sales-playstation-3-september-2013/

http://www.gameinformer.com/themes/blogs/generic/post.aspx?WeblogApp=news&y=2013&m=01&d=10&WeblogPostName=playstation-3-worldwide-sales-eclipse-xbox-360&GroupKeys=

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-ps3-passes-xbox-360-sales-wii-u-expected-to-sell-50-million-by-2016

Sorry I asked for facts, those all use IDC data which is a market analysis firm making predictions, not official numbers. So once again, your "facts" aren't really facts

#112 Posted by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

holy shit, who did I piss off? I came back from lunch and had like 10+ notifications to sort through

Look, just accept that the PS3 came from behind and passed the 360. The Wii won and we all know this. I have shown proof. Here's more proof. I have no proof of any kind from anyone.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/10/report-ps3-surpasses-xbox-360s-worldwide-shipped-total

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/06/ps3-sales-pass-80-million-worldwide-4332-titles-on-system-to-date/

http://bgr.com/2013/10/18/xbox-360-sales-playstation-3-september-2013/

http://www.gameinformer.com/themes/blogs/generic/post.aspx?WeblogApp=news&y=2013&m=01&d=10&WeblogPostName=playstation-3-worldwide-sales-eclipse-xbox-360&GroupKeys=

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-ps3-passes-xbox-360-sales-wii-u-expected-to-sell-50-million-by-2016

Sorry I asked for facts, those all use IDC data which is a market analysis firm making predictions, not official numbers. So once again, your "facts" aren't really facts

Show me facts to back up what you're saying. You can't or you would. I have and you don't accept it. What can be done with people who expect in a disagreement that it's all on the other person to prove their side while they don't have to prove theirs? At least there's many sites agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with you. What facts do you have? What analysts agree with you? What of any sites agree with you?

You started out by saying they won because they gained market share. Which is incorrect. Sales are sales and the market share from PS3 sales and 360 sales slightly favor Sony according to many sites and 0 sites favor the 360 ahead. Which makes Sony have a higher market share. It's like you would say that a team that went 25-68 one year and then went 68-25 the next, but still lost a close series in the playoffs won the team that beat them, because they had improved more than the other team did over many years. It' s BS! Winning is winning and losing is losing no matter how it happens. In fact you can see the carryover of popularity from the PS3 to the PS4 from the last 3+ years when the PS3 gained in sales and passed the 360.

#113 Edited by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

holy shit, who did I piss off? I came back from lunch and had like 10+ notifications to sort through

Look, just accept that the PS3 came from behind and passed the 360. The Wii won and we all know this. I have shown proof. Here's more proof. I have no proof of any kind from anyone.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/10/report-ps3-surpasses-xbox-360s-worldwide-shipped-total

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/06/ps3-sales-pass-80-million-worldwide-4332-titles-on-system-to-date/

http://bgr.com/2013/10/18/xbox-360-sales-playstation-3-september-2013/

http://www.gameinformer.com/themes/blogs/generic/post.aspx?WeblogApp=news&y=2013&m=01&d=10&WeblogPostName=playstation-3-worldwide-sales-eclipse-xbox-360&GroupKeys=

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-ps3-passes-xbox-360-sales-wii-u-expected-to-sell-50-million-by-2016

Sorry I asked for facts, those all use IDC data which is a market analysis firm making predictions, not official numbers. So once again, your "facts" aren't really facts

Show me facts to back up what you're saying. You can't or you would. I have and you don't accept it. What can be done with people who expect in a disagreement that it's all on the other person to prove their side while they don't have to prove theirs? At least there's many sites agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with you. What facts do you have? What analysts agree with you? What of any sites agree with you?

You started out by saying they won because they gained market share. Which is incorrect. Sales are sales and the market share from PS3 sales and 360 sales slightly favor Sony according to many sites and 0 sites favor the 360 ahead. Which makes Sony have a higher market share. It's like you would say that a team that went 25-68 one year and then went 68-25 the next, but still lost a close series in the playoffs won the team that beat them, because they had improved more than the other team did over many years. It' s BS! Winning is winning and losing is losing no matter how it happens. In fact you can see the carryover of popularity from the PS3 to the PS4 from the last 3+ years when the PS3 gained in sales and passed the 360.

To prove that IDC is making predictions? It's what they do, the numbers are drawn from a market forecast. Hell their freaking forecast says these are estimates not official numbers:

In December 2012, PS3 system shipments eclipsed the number of Xbox 360's shipped worldwide, despite the PS3 launching a year later than the Xbox 360 (an estimated 77 million bundles versus approximately 76 million bundles shipped

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23901313

Seriously, you feel the need to be combative all the time and let your fanboyism get in the way of actual facts

#114 Edited by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

holy shit, who did I piss off? I came back from lunch and had like 10+ notifications to sort through

Look, just accept that the PS3 came from behind and passed the 360. The Wii won and we all know this. I have shown proof. Here's more proof. I have no proof of any kind from anyone.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/10/report-ps3-surpasses-xbox-360s-worldwide-shipped-total

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/06/ps3-sales-pass-80-million-worldwide-4332-titles-on-system-to-date/

http://bgr.com/2013/10/18/xbox-360-sales-playstation-3-september-2013/

http://www.gameinformer.com/themes/blogs/generic/post.aspx?WeblogApp=news&y=2013&m=01&d=10&WeblogPostName=playstation-3-worldwide-sales-eclipse-xbox-360&GroupKeys=

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-ps3-passes-xbox-360-sales-wii-u-expected-to-sell-50-million-by-2016

Sorry I asked for facts, those all use IDC data which is a market analysis firm making predictions, not official numbers. So once again, your "facts" aren't really facts

Show me facts to back up what you're saying. You can't or you would. I have and you don't accept it. What can be done with people who expect in a disagreement that it's all on the other person to prove their side while they don't have to prove theirs? At least there's many sites agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with you. What facts do you have? What analysts agree with you? What of any sites agree with you?

You started out by saying they won because they gained market share. Which is incorrect. Sales are sales and the market share from PS3 sales and 360 sales slightly favor Sony according to many sites and 0 sites favor the 360 ahead. Which makes Sony have a higher market share. It's like you would say that a team that went 25-68 one year and then went 68-25 the next, but still lost a close series in the playoffs won the team that beat them, because they had improved more than the other team did over many years. It' s BS! Winning is winning and losing is losing no matter how it happens. In fact you can see the carryover of popularity from the PS3 to the PS4 from the last 3+ years when the PS3 gained in sales and passed the 360.

To prove that IDC is making predictions? It's what they do, the numbers are drawn from a market forecast. Hell their freaking forecast says these are estimates not official numbers:

In December 2012, PS3 system shipments eclipsed the number of Xbox 360's shipped worldwide, despite the PS3 launching a year later than the Xbox 360 (an estimated 77 million bundles versus approximately 76 million bundles shipped

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23901313

Seriously, you feel the need to be combative all the time and let your fanboyism get in the way of actual facts

No that is what you are doing. All the years the PS3 was behind I agreed it was behind. I agree the Wii won. You said the 360 won because of market share increase, which is BS. Many sites have stated the PS3 passed the 360 & state it is ahead still today. You find ways to deny it without any proof whatsoever. You replied to me when I stated the PS3 surpassed the 360 in sales and demanded I show you proof and you acted like you didn't have to prove me wrong with any evidence and all you said was it seemed like they beat PS3 because they gained market share. No they did not beat the PS3 because they gained market share. Worldwide sale determine who's 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. I showed plenty of proof stating the PS3 passed the 360 in sales in early 2013 and is ahead now. You deny it as proof from these sites. Discrediting them, while showing no sites proving you're correct.

You are the one that attacked what I said that the PS3 passed the 360. Which it did!!!!

You can't handle that it did, because in your mind you are being a fanboy against Sony and therefore deny any credibility proven to you and any statements made by others when they are facts.

I've seen your replies to people's topics. They state a fact and you say whoopty doo and/or discredit their facts because you are a fanboy against Sony.

You have not and can not prove me wrong. Where are any sites saying what you are saying that the 360 is ahead in sales to this date. There aren't any, because they state that the PS3 is 1.5-2 million ahead.

#115 Posted by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

To prove that IDC is making predictions? It's what they do, the numbers are drawn from a market forecast. Hell their freaking forecast says these are estimates not official numbers:

In December 2012, PS3 system shipments eclipsed the number of Xbox 360's shipped worldwide, despite the PS3 launching a year later than the Xbox 360 (an estimated 77 million bundles versus approximately 76 million bundles shipped

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23901313

Seriously, you feel the need to be combative all the time and let your fanboyism get in the way of actual facts

No that is what you are doing. All the years the PS3 was behind I agreed it was behind. I agree the Wii won. You said the 360 won because of market share increase, which is BS. Many sites have stated the PS3 passed the 360 & state it is ahead still today. You find ways to deny it without any proof whatsoever. You replied to me when I stated the PS3 surpassed the 360 in sales and demanded I show you proof and you acted like you didn't have to prove me wrong with any evidence and all you said was it seemed like they beat PS3 because they gained market share. No they did not beat the PS3 because they gained market share. Worldwide sale determine who's 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. I showed plenty of proof stating the PS3 passed the 360 in sales in early 2013 and is ahead now. You deny it as proof from these sites. Discrediting them, while showing no sites proving you're correct.

You are the one that attacked what I said that the PS3 passed the 360. Which it did!!!!

You can't handle that it did, because in your mind you are being a fanboy against Sony and therefore deny any credibility proven to you and any statements made by others when they are facts.

I've seen your replies to people's topics. They state a fact and you say whoopty doo and/or discredit their facts because you are a fanboy against Sony.

You have not and can not prove me wrong. Where are any sites saying what you are saying that the 360 is ahead in sales to this date. There aren't any, because they state that the PS3 is 1.5-2 million ahead.

You haven't proven yourself right yet. You haven't provided one solid piece of evidence.

Lol, and seriously? I'm a "fanboy against Sony"

What a joke

#116 Posted by Cloud_imperium (2951 posts) -

@lostrib said:

Honestly...who the fuck cares

#117 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28380 posts) -

Damn sure is a lot of complaining.

Lets lay out the facts.

1. the entire generation the 360 sold more systems than the ps3.
2. the entire generation the 360 sold more games than the ps3.
3. the entire generation the 360 had more games released than the ps3.
4. the entire generation the 360 had more high scoring games than the ps3 *metacritic AND gamespot*
5. the entire generation the 360 had more exclusives *not scoring but just exclusives*.

the generation ended with the release of the Wii U it doesn't matter how much you argue this is a simple fact it was the first 8th generation console....the ps3 FINALLY outsold the 360 worldwide in systems after that date and I in fact think just before or a little after the xbox dOne and ps4 were released, So good job Sheens the ps3 finally outsold the 360....to bad it wasn't soon enough to reach second place the generation was over the accounting was done no one cared anymore, especially since it was eclipsed and rather severely in every other area.

Proof? don't need to post it you can find it for yourself its a fact the 360 had more games released, higher software sales, more exclusives and more highly rated games, And sheen's in this thread already posted proof that the ps3 didn't outsell the 360 till AFTER the Wii u was released.

#118 Edited by inb4uall (5470 posts) -

Damn sure is a lot of complaining.

Lets lay out the facts.

1. the entire generation the 360 sold more systems than the ps3.

2. the entire generation the 360 sold more games than the ps3.

3. the entire generation the 360 had more games released than the ps3.

4. the entire generation the 360 had more high scoring games than the ps3 *metacritic AND gamespot*

5. the entire generation the 360 had more exclusives *not scoring but just exclusives*.

the generation ended with the release of the Wii U it doesn't matter how much you argue this is a simple fact it was the first 8th generation console....the ps3 FINALLY outsold the 360 worldwide in systems after that date and I in fact think just before or a little after the xbox dOne and ps4 were released, So good job Sheens the ps3 finally outsold the 360....to bad it wasn't soon enough to reach second place the generation was over the accounting was done no one cared anymore, especially since it was eclipsed and rather severely in every other area.

Proof? don't need to post it you can find it for yourself its a fact the 360 had more games released, higher software sales, more exclusives and more highly rated games, And sheen's in this thread already posted proof that the ps3 didn't outsell the 360 till AFTER the Wii u was released.

and allllllll of that is pretty much pointless because the wii beat the pants off both of them. ;)

#119 Posted by Netret0120 (2085 posts) -

PS3 finished 2nd. X360 released a whole year before the PS3 and it is still tied with it on 2nd. Anyone who isn't a fanboy would also agree that the PS3 had the stronger exclusive lineup with tons of variety and the juggernaut that is TLOU.

Wii U did destroy both of them in sales though:p

#120 Posted by elkoldo (1046 posts) -

@lostrib said:

Honestly...who the fuck cares

This.

#121 Edited by shellcase86 (1934 posts) -

@Nike_Air said:

That gen is still rolling along in sales , games , and services. Winner = to be determined

Ditto.

That gen is still going strong, with units still being sold, and games still being released. After all is said and done I'd said it's pretty much a given the PS3 would be solidly second after the beast, Wii.

#122 Posted by TigerSuperman (2241 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

holy shit, who did I piss off? I came back from lunch and had like 10+ notifications to sort through

Look, just accept that the PS3 came from behind and passed the 360. The Wii won and we all know this. I have shown proof. Here's more proof. I have no proof of any kind from anyone.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/10/report-ps3-surpasses-xbox-360s-worldwide-shipped-total

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/06/ps3-sales-pass-80-million-worldwide-4332-titles-on-system-to-date/

http://bgr.com/2013/10/18/xbox-360-sales-playstation-3-september-2013/

http://www.gameinformer.com/themes/blogs/generic/post.aspx?WeblogApp=news&y=2013&m=01&d=10&WeblogPostName=playstation-3-worldwide-sales-eclipse-xbox-360&GroupKeys=

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-ps3-passes-xbox-360-sales-wii-u-expected-to-sell-50-million-by-2016

1. Says "forecast" and in another area "predicton"

2. Uses the same source as 1.

3. This has nothing to do with life time sales. it is talking about that ONE MONTH the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 in the U.S. after being number 1 for 32 months.

4. Same source as 1 and 2.

5. Same source as 1,2, and 4.

You have shown a bunch of links to the same source, which confirms that it is a forecast estimate baloney. Not that many sites actually reported those numbers either which shows a clear confliction. The report is also BEFORE the official announcements of SONY AND MS.

#123 Posted by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

holy shit, who did I piss off? I came back from lunch and had like 10+ notifications to sort through

Look, just accept that the PS3 came from behind and passed the 360. The Wii won and we all know this. I have shown proof. Here's more proof. I have no proof of any kind from anyone.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/10/report-ps3-surpasses-xbox-360s-worldwide-shipped-total

http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/06/ps3-sales-pass-80-million-worldwide-4332-titles-on-system-to-date/

http://bgr.com/2013/10/18/xbox-360-sales-playstation-3-september-2013/

http://www.gameinformer.com/themes/blogs/generic/post.aspx?WeblogApp=news&y=2013&m=01&d=10&WeblogPostName=playstation-3-worldwide-sales-eclipse-xbox-360&GroupKeys=

http://www.examiner.com/article/report-ps3-passes-xbox-360-sales-wii-u-expected-to-sell-50-million-by-2016

1. Says "forecast" and in another area "predicton"

2. Uses the same source as 1.

3. This has nothing to do with life time sales. it is talking about that ONE MONTH the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 in the U.S. after being number 1 for 32 months.

4. Same source as 1 and 2.

5. Same source as 1,2, and 4.

You have shown a bunch of links to the same source, which confirms that it is a forecast estimate baloney. Not that many sites actually reported those numbers either which shows a clear confliction. The report is also BEFORE the official announcements of SONY AND MS.

Where is your proof that I'm wrong?! You say I'm wrong with absolutely no proof whatsoever. I give sites saying PS3 passed the 360 in sales and a site that says it is ahead 82.56 million to 81.16 million. You say I'm wrong, prove it! You prove it! You can't.

#124 Posted by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

To prove that IDC is making predictions? It's what they do, the numbers are drawn from a market forecast. Hell their freaking forecast says these are estimates not official numbers:

In December 2012, PS3 system shipments eclipsed the number of Xbox 360's shipped worldwide, despite the PS3 launching a year later than the Xbox 360 (an estimated 77 million bundles versus approximately 76 million bundles shipped

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23901313

Seriously, you feel the need to be combative all the time and let your fanboyism get in the way of actual facts

No that is what you are doing. All the years the PS3 was behind I agreed it was behind. I agree the Wii won. You said the 360 won because of market share increase, which is BS. Many sites have stated the PS3 passed the 360 & state it is ahead still today. You find ways to deny it without any proof whatsoever. You replied to me when I stated the PS3 surpassed the 360 in sales and demanded I show you proof and you acted like you didn't have to prove me wrong with any evidence and all you said was it seemed like they beat PS3 because they gained market share. No they did not beat the PS3 because they gained market share. Worldwide sale determine who's 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. I showed plenty of proof stating the PS3 passed the 360 in sales in early 2013 and is ahead now. You deny it as proof from these sites. Discrediting them, while showing no sites proving you're correct.

You are the one that attacked what I said that the PS3 passed the 360. Which it did!!!!

You can't handle that it did, because in your mind you are being a fanboy against Sony and therefore deny any credibility proven to you and any statements made by others when they are facts.

I've seen your replies to people's topics. They state a fact and you say whoopty doo and/or discredit their facts because you are a fanboy against Sony.

You have not and can not prove me wrong. Where are any sites saying what you are saying that the 360 is ahead in sales to this date. There aren't any, because they state that the PS3 is 1.5-2 million ahead.

You haven't proven yourself right yet. You haven't provided one solid piece of evidence.

Lol, and seriously? I'm a "fanboy against Sony"

What a joke

You attacked my statement that I said the PS3 is in 2nd place in sales. You prove me wrong! I have given way more evidence to support my statement. You have given 0 to support your statement! Don't tell someone they're wrong and have 0 proof to support it. YOU IGNORANT SOB!

You're a butthole. That's exactly what you are. With every reply you make, it is loud and clear!

#125 Posted by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

To prove that IDC is making predictions? It's what they do, the numbers are drawn from a market forecast. Hell their freaking forecast says these are estimates not official numbers:

In December 2012, PS3 system shipments eclipsed the number of Xbox 360's shipped worldwide, despite the PS3 launching a year later than the Xbox 360 (an estimated 77 million bundles versus approximately 76 million bundles shipped

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23901313

Seriously, you feel the need to be combative all the time and let your fanboyism get in the way of actual facts

No that is what you are doing. All the years the PS3 was behind I agreed it was behind. I agree the Wii won. You said the 360 won because of market share increase, which is BS. Many sites have stated the PS3 passed the 360 & state it is ahead still today. You find ways to deny it without any proof whatsoever. You replied to me when I stated the PS3 surpassed the 360 in sales and demanded I show you proof and you acted like you didn't have to prove me wrong with any evidence and all you said was it seemed like they beat PS3 because they gained market share. No they did not beat the PS3 because they gained market share. Worldwide sale determine who's 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. I showed plenty of proof stating the PS3 passed the 360 in sales in early 2013 and is ahead now. You deny it as proof from these sites. Discrediting them, while showing no sites proving you're correct.

You are the one that attacked what I said that the PS3 passed the 360. Which it did!!!!

You can't handle that it did, because in your mind you are being a fanboy against Sony and therefore deny any credibility proven to you and any statements made by others when they are facts.

I've seen your replies to people's topics. They state a fact and you say whoopty doo and/or discredit their facts because you are a fanboy against Sony.

You have not and can not prove me wrong. Where are any sites saying what you are saying that the 360 is ahead in sales to this date. There aren't any, because they state that the PS3 is 1.5-2 million ahead.

You haven't proven yourself right yet. You haven't provided one solid piece of evidence.

Lol, and seriously? I'm a "fanboy against Sony"

What a joke

You attacked my statement that I said the PS3 is in 2nd place in sales. You prove me wrong! I have given way more evidence to support my statement. You have given 0 to support your statement! Don't tell someone they're wrong and have 0 proof to support it. YOU IGNORANT SOB!

You're a butthole. That's exactly what you are. With every reply you make, it is loud and clear!

Except none of your evidence is based on actual facts. It's all just predictions/estimates. You have 0 proof.

and with every reply you make it more evident that you're just a dumbass fanboy

#126 Posted by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

To prove that IDC is making predictions? It's what they do, the numbers are drawn from a market forecast. Hell their freaking forecast says these are estimates not official numbers:

In December 2012, PS3 system shipments eclipsed the number of Xbox 360's shipped worldwide, despite the PS3 launching a year later than the Xbox 360 (an estimated 77 million bundles versus approximately 76 million bundles shipped

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23901313

Seriously, you feel the need to be combative all the time and let your fanboyism get in the way of actual facts

No that is what you are doing. All the years the PS3 was behind I agreed it was behind. I agree the Wii won. You said the 360 won because of market share increase, which is BS. Many sites have stated the PS3 passed the 360 & state it is ahead still today. You find ways to deny it without any proof whatsoever. You replied to me when I stated the PS3 surpassed the 360 in sales and demanded I show you proof and you acted like you didn't have to prove me wrong with any evidence and all you said was it seemed like they beat PS3 because they gained market share. No they did not beat the PS3 because they gained market share. Worldwide sale determine who's 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. I showed plenty of proof stating the PS3 passed the 360 in sales in early 2013 and is ahead now. You deny it as proof from these sites. Discrediting them, while showing no sites proving you're correct.

You are the one that attacked what I said that the PS3 passed the 360. Which it did!!!!

You can't handle that it did, because in your mind you are being a fanboy against Sony and therefore deny any credibility proven to you and any statements made by others when they are facts.

I've seen your replies to people's topics. They state a fact and you say whoopty doo and/or discredit their facts because you are a fanboy against Sony.

You have not and can not prove me wrong. Where are any sites saying what you are saying that the 360 is ahead in sales to this date. There aren't any, because they state that the PS3 is 1.5-2 million ahead.

You haven't proven yourself right yet. You haven't provided one solid piece of evidence.

Lol, and seriously? I'm a "fanboy against Sony"

What a joke

You attacked my statement that I said the PS3 is in 2nd place in sales. You prove me wrong! I have given way more evidence to support my statement. You have given 0 to support your statement! Don't tell someone they're wrong and have 0 proof to support it. YOU IGNORANT SOB!

You're a butthole. That's exactly what you are. With every reply you make, it is loud and clear!

Except none of your evidence is based on actual facts. It's all just predictions/estimates. You have 0 proof.

and with every reply you make it more evident that you're just a dumbass fanboy

Then you're even more of what you just stated about me. You claim someone is wrong, with nothing to back it up. They have much more of a reason for what they are saying is true and you have nothing to reason why you are telliing them they're wrong.

I have predictions and estimates. I have sites that say it passed the 360 in early 2013. I have VGChartz.com that states it passed the 360 and is ahead today. What do you have to prove them all wrong and me wrong? You have nothing!!!

#127 Edited by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

Except none of your evidence is based on actual facts. It's all just predictions/estimates. You have 0 proof.

and with every reply you make it more evident that you're just a dumbass fanboy

Then you're even more of what you just stated about me. You claim someone is wrong, with nothing to back it up. They have much more of a reason for what they are saying is true and you have nothing to reason why you are telliing them they're wrong.

I have predictions and estimates. I have sites that say it passed the 360 in early 2013. I have VGChartz.com that states it passed the 360 and is ahead today. What do you have to prove them all wrong and me wrong? You have nothing!!!

You have provided nothing that backs up your claim...

Lol Vgchartz, you have nothing

Seriously, just calm down and accept it

#128 Posted by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

Except none of your evidence is based on actual facts. It's all just predictions/estimates. You have 0 proof.

and with every reply you make it more evident that you're just a dumbass fanboy

Then you're even more of what you just stated about me. You claim someone is wrong, with nothing to back it up. They have much more of a reason for what they are saying is true and you have nothing to reason why you are telliing them they're wrong.

I have predictions and estimates. I have sites that say it passed the 360 in early 2013. I have VGChartz.com that states it passed the 360 and is ahead today. What do you have to prove them all wrong and me wrong? You have nothing!!!

You have provided nothing that backs up your claim...

Lol Vgchartz, you have nothing

Seriously, just calm down and accept it

Nope, I have every reason to be right. You have no reason to believe you are right. You have been proven wrong! You choose not to admit it. That's because of you are flawed severely! I can't fix this about you. Most every time you post on here you are just being a butt to people who have stated facts. Only you can stop doing that to people and wise up.

#129 Edited by Heil68 (43993 posts) -

Simply stunning how SONY captured 2nd place coming out a YEAR later than 360. Shows the power of SONY and its world class gaming.,

#130 Edited by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

Except none of your evidence is based on actual facts. It's all just predictions/estimates. You have 0 proof.

and with every reply you make it more evident that you're just a dumbass fanboy

Then you're even more of what you just stated about me. You claim someone is wrong, with nothing to back it up. They have much more of a reason for what they are saying is true and you have nothing to reason why you are telliing them they're wrong.

I have predictions and estimates. I have sites that say it passed the 360 in early 2013. I have VGChartz.com that states it passed the 360 and is ahead today. What do you have to prove them all wrong and me wrong? You have nothing!!!

You have provided nothing that backs up your claim...

Lol Vgchartz, you have nothing

Seriously, just calm down and accept it

Nope, I have every reason to be right. You have no reason to believe you are right. You have been proven wrong! You choose not to admit it. That's because of you are flawed severely! I can't fix this about you. Most every time you post on here you are just being a butt to people who have stated facts. Only you can stop doing that to people and wise up.

You haven't proven anything. You have yet to provide any source with official sales numbers. All you've done is cried, and insulted me.

Calm down, stop taking shit so seriously

#131 Posted by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

Simply stunning how SONY captured 2nd place coming out a YEAR later than 360. Shows the power of SONY and its world class gaming.,

prove it

#132 Posted by Heil68 (43993 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Heil68 said:

Simply stunning how SONY captured 2nd place coming out a YEAR later than 360. Shows the power of SONY and its world class gaming.,

prove it

How many units did the P33 sell last gen? It sold that many with a YEAR's less time. Proven factual statement, expect nothing else from me. We wont bring up SONY's award wining, unprecedented amount of GOTY's, a perfect 10/10 game or multiple top 5 GOAT as that wouldn't be fair.

We are all humbled by SONY's greatness.

#133 Edited by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Heil68 said:

Simply stunning how SONY captured 2nd place coming out a YEAR later than 360. Shows the power of SONY and its world class gaming.,

prove it

You prove it! You have shown nothing to prove your case.

When discrediting someone you must show proof as to why you are discrediting them that supersedes what proof they have shown. You have not done so & you can't do so, because no site will state a lie that MS is ahead in sales with their 360 over PS3.

#134 Posted by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@Heil68 said:

Simply stunning how SONY captured 2nd place coming out a YEAR later than 360. Shows the power of SONY and its world class gaming.,

prove it

You prove it! You have shown nothing to prove your case.

You're the ones claiming it, you prove it

#135 Edited by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

@lostrib said:

@Heil68 said:

Simply stunning how SONY captured 2nd place coming out a YEAR later than 360. Shows the power of SONY and its world class gaming.,

prove it

How many units did the P33 sell last gen? It sold that many with a YEAR's less time. Proven factual statement, expect nothing else from me. We wont bring up SONY's award wining, unprecedented amount of GOTY's, a perfect 10/10 game or multiple top 5 GOAT as that wouldn't be fair.

We are all humbled by SONY's greatness.

Honestly, this is about what I expected from you.

Well done

#136 Posted by Heil68 (43993 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Heil68 said:

@lostrib said:

@Heil68 said:

Simply stunning how SONY captured 2nd place coming out a YEAR later than 360. Shows the power of SONY and its world class gaming.,

prove it

How many units did the P33 sell last gen? It sold that many with a YEAR's less time. Proven factual statement, expect nothing else from me. We wont bring up SONY's award wining, unprecedented amount of GOTY's, a perfect 10/10 game or multiple top 5 GOAT as that wouldn't be fair.

We are all humbled by SONY's greatness.

Honestly, this is about what I expected from you.

Well done

I know. When you speak in facts, truths and fighting for freedom and justice, it sometimes catches people off guard. Thank you for backing me up. It means a lot. Friend request sent,.

#137 Edited by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@Heil68 said:

Simply stunning how SONY captured 2nd place coming out a YEAR later than 360. Shows the power of SONY and its world class gaming.,

prove it

You prove it! You have shown nothing to prove your case.

You're the ones claiming it, you prove it

And you're claiming we're wrong with no evidence to show we're wrong. I have shown evidence that you discredit. You have shown no evidence. Therefore I am right and you are wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. I have shown 4 of a kind. You have shown you have nothing. I win!!!

#138 Posted by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

prove it

You prove it! You have shown nothing to prove your case.

You're the ones claiming it, you prove it

And you're claiming we're wrong with no evidence to show we're wrong. I have shown evidence that you discredit. You have shown no evidence. Therefore I am right and you are wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. I have shown 4 of a kind. You have shown you have nothing. I win!!!

Nooo I asked for proof. You haven't provided any. You've yet to show any solid evidence.

You lose, loser.

#139 Edited by clr84651 (5405 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

prove it

You prove it! You have shown nothing to prove your case.

You're the ones claiming it, you prove it

And you're claiming we're wrong with no evidence to show we're wrong. I have shown evidence that you discredit. You have shown no evidence. Therefore I am right and you are wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. I have shown 4 of a kind. You have shown you have nothing. I win!!!

Nooo I asked for proof. You haven't provided any. You've yet to show any solid evidence.

You lose, loser.

I already proved you were a child molester & a monkey boner!

#140 Posted by lostrib (35888 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

prove it

You prove it! You have shown nothing to prove your case.

You're the ones claiming it, you prove it

And you're claiming we're wrong with no evidence to show we're wrong. I have shown evidence that you discredit. You have shown no evidence. Therefore I am right and you are wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. I have shown 4 of a kind. You have shown you have nothing. I win!!!

Nooo I asked for proof. You haven't provided any. You've yet to show any solid evidence.

You lose, loser.

I already proved you were a child molester & a monkey boner!

...and now we're stepping over the line of decency.

#141 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4680 posts) -