So Sony has won this gen right?

You must be in denial. Xbox is not going to dominate the US again(which is absolutely necessary with their lack of worldwide brand status) and is dead in the water in Europe. $600 price tag in China ends those delusional dreams. Sony already won it is just a matter of how much.

No you are just like other Xbox buttboys that know Microsoft can never compete with PlayStation with all things being relative equal(release date, price). Sony going under(not happening) is the only way Xbox will ever have a chance to dominate.

You must be in denial. Xbox is not going to dominate the US again(which is absolutely necessary with their lack of worldwide brand status) and is dead in the water in Europe. $600 price tag in China ends those delusional dreams. Sony already won it is just a matter of how much.

Yup PS4 won this gen, anyone who denies it is a delusional lemming IE mems_butthurt and blab

Words wasted on the dumb, deaf, and blind.

so the gen is already over?

@SecretPolice said:

Sure, whatever.... :P

Haha! So true. Yet another idiotic "winning" thread.

Pretty much.

GG Lems and Sheep.

X1 knows what it wants to be, the difference is, it's just started in a new direction when it dropped Kinect and at e3. Where as the PS4 has been working on its direction for one and a half years. So the X1 will be behind, they've almost completely dropped their original vision at just about every level.

And yes, the new dev kits and whatever have now allowed for higher resolutions.

PS4 winning the gen doesn't mean the X1 has to be written off, it could still turn into a good console. For me, I'm not sure.

So far the only one winning is PC gamers. Both PS4 and X1 barely have games.

So the xbox knows what it wants to be.?

Was that before the DRM + 24 online check ups no used games 180.

Before the Tv TV TV 180.

Or before the Kinect 180.?

You mean the different market that few of the close to 270 million console gamers care about.?

source?

Looks like everyone is saying Xbone is dead.

Thought so

I thought I was fairly clear on what I meant.

The console gaming market will most likely shrink to approximately 150 million this gen because a lot of audiences will not be buying any next gen consoles this gen. So I wouldn't use that 270 million number as evidence that there is a large amount of people that don't really care about PC;s.

We declare the winners at the end of the generation, not the beginning, thats a bit like saying Usain Bolt will win every race before he has even run them.

And rooting for the Wii-U? thats just your Cow bias at work sunshine.

Really? The very fact that the Ps3 exists completely destroys your point, 10 million behind the 360 when it released, no AAAE in it's first years, weak 3rd party support to begin with and lacklustre sales yet it ran the 'Marathon' and manged to catch up with the 360.

'MS PR crap' seemed to work out well for the Ps3 last gen.

Yeah nice where did you see that on your magic crystal ball.?

Man the PS4 even broke all sales records and you still trying to imply doom in the market.

You people should stop doing this sh** comparison to the PS3.

It wasn't 10 it was more like 9.

The PS3 beat the xbox 360 since the first day it arrive in the market in Japan and Mainland EU even at $600,the PS3 sold 10 million units in Japan the xbox 360 1.6 millions with 1 more year on the market.

You people don't get it the only way MS can make for it is by having countries in which the xbox one sells better,the PS3 have this territory from day 1 Japan mainland EU,so when they release even that they were like 9 million behind the PS3 started to eat away from the advantage.

The PS4 didn't land 1 year before the xbox one,it landed the same month and has almost double the xbox one since that launch period,which imply that the xbox one isn't beating the PS4 anywhere,and this is a problem because with no country to fall back in from where MS will begin to close the gap in the long run,what make you think MS will win US again and even if it did what make you think it will be by enough to make up for the difference,when it is proven that even when sony loss US for like what 19 million vs the xbox 360,still catch the xbox 360 with its other stronger markets.?

Sony discounted a 9 million gap,when they release a $600 dollar console and loss US for 19 million,that isn't an argument in favor of the xbox one,all the contrary it tell you that MS just loss,because sony is almost 5 million units ahead in just 7 and a half months,imagine how much bigger the gap will grow to in 2 years.

This gen hasn't been decided yet. Sony is ahead and doing very well.

Still took it 8 years to catch up to the 360, does that sound like a sprint to you?

It was the length of time it took to catch up i was talking about, trust you to spout something completely inane and completely irrelevant to the point i was trying to make.

And MS hasn't lost yet dude, we are at the beginning of the generation and we don't know what will happen, which is the basic point i am trying to make.

i personally believe it will

'Yeah nice where did you see that on your magic crystal ball.?'

Your belief that the PS4 is definitly going to win is a prediction is it not? talk about hypocrisy,lol

You criticise other people for making predictions yet you yourself are making the prediction that the Ps4 will win.

You should think more carefully about what you are going to post, it's just TOO easy too point out the glaring contradictions in your posts

It's very unlikely any console breaks the 100 million mark this gen.Nothing indicates any console will break the 100 million mark yet. Even if the PS4 does break the 100 million mark the xbox one and the WiiU won't sell as much which will prevent 200+ million consoles being sold this gen. It's very possible that less than 150 million consoles are sold this gen.

the difference is that the PS3 outsold the 360 by pulling off WW numbers of equal or greater amount in a monthly basis while the Xbone is being decimated by the PS4 every month by quiet a large margin.

Whoever traces comparisons between the xbone and ps3 performance is just a delusional idiot.

Read what shielder wrote, got that, then apply what i said in context with what he said.

the Ps3 didn't need to have a strong start to catch up to the 360, the Ps3 didn't even start closing the Gap for at least a year it had weak 3rd party support and it didn't have a AAAE for it's first year, you call that a good start?

My point is that you don't need a strong start to do well and the Fact that, like the Ps3, the Xbone isn't selling very well in it's first year but that doesn't mean it's out of the game.

The 360 was actually decimating the Ps3 well into the Ps3's first year of launch if you check your facts, yet the PS3 still caught up to the 360.

The Ps4 is Decimating the Xbone in it's first year of release, who is to say the xbone won't pull a Ps3 and catch up to the Ps4 in the years to come.

Remember , it took the Ps3 8 years to catch up with the 360, i would call that running a marathon, wouldn't you?

You actually get the comparison i was making now right?

The only delusional people here are the ones who think the Ps4 already has it in the bag at the Beginning of a generation, most smart people , like myself will wait till the end to see who actually won.

Pretty much. This is why lems look like fools when they compare the XPOSBone's perofrmance to the PS3's. They are nothing alike. The PS3 had Europe and Japan even when they were getting destroyed in US and UK and that's what helped them bounce back. The XPOSBone is getting owned in US and UK which were its strongest markets last gen and pretty much dead in mainland Europe. China and Uganda won't save the XPOSBone lems, it's time to move on and accept your distant 2nd or 3rd place.

Actually, close to 270 million consoles isn't far off, provided that each 7th gen console was bought once by a one person then you could correlate that directly to console gamers, i.e. no one bought more than one console and never had to replace a 360, ps3 or Wii (I own a 360 and a Wii). Unfortunately for console gamers thinking that it's still a larger market, there are an estimated 900 million PC gamers worldwide (according to Raptr CEO Dennis Fong)

"After reading the interview, I went back to my own conversation with Raptr CEO Dennis Fong, who reminded me there are a staggering 900 million PC gamers worldwide. Contrast that data with global consoles sales of, say, Nintendo's Wii, Microsoft’s Xbox 360, and Sony's PlayStation 3: About 262 million units. Combined. Granted, that’s according to VGChartz which isn’t a perfectly reliable snapshot, but even with a considerable error rate that tells a compelling story. The most popular game console to date is the PlayStation, with estimated global sales of 157 million."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/

Lol VGChartz (added so as not to break any SW laws ;) )

This gen is disappointing so far.

@Wasdie: yeah nitendo beat both in sales, infact i think x360 still sold more than ps3, or we can go ahead and "pretend" we can examine how much money sony and ms made and how much they lost. Eg how much money ms lost from the Red rings of death.

Anyway from what i read sony had double the losses of ms and they finacials have tanked in the last 5 years. Or are we talking about games? Ps3 had better exlusives, but then again according to metacritic pc had the best.

So when people say "INSERT NAME" won this gen, i cant see what they really mean.

Ps4 is selling more right now, but who knows, maybe sony continues to suffer money bleeds and they are out of the picture in 4 years, or maybe ms decides to use their capital to bombard us with exlusives on xbone, or maybe gamers will reallize that the insane budgets that AAA exlusives have, just dont worth it and the end result isnt always they best and they go towards pc and nitendo's cheaper exlusives instead.

Just my thoughts

@Wasdie: yeah nitendo beath both in sales, infact i think x360 still sold more, or we can go ahead and "pretend" we can examine how much money sony and ms made and how much they lost. Eg how much money ms lost from the Red rings of death.

Anyway from what i read sony had double the losses of ms and they finacials have tanked in the last 5 years. Or are we talking about games? Ps3 had better exlusives, but then again according to metacritic pc had the best.

So when people say "INSERT NAME" won this gen, i cant see what they really mean.

Ps4 is selling more right now, but who knows, maybe sony continues to suffer money bleeds and they are out of the picture in 4 years, or maybe ms decides to use their capital to bombard us with exlusives on xbone, or maybe gamers will reallize that the insane budgets that AAA exlusives have, just dont worth it and the end result isnt always they best and they go towards pc and nitendo's cheaper exlusives instead.

Just my thoughts

@Shielder7:You forgeting that ms has the money, sony is leaking money for many years now. Sony NEEDS that "net income" from the start to stay alive.

Crowning a winner after handful of months? classic system wars garbage.

Couldnt have put it better myself. These two companies are fighting for profit and market share its not about 6 months or even 2/3 years, its about slowly and carefully dominating the market over a number of years by providing what consumers want.

The PS4 gave early adopters what they wanted by touting a more powerful console. However that alone isnt enough of a differentiating factor to sail home and dry. If anything the PS4 has probably only recovered some of the market share Sony lost to the 360. Sony and MS need to be smart and stay consistent. PLay the long game.

There is a good old saying that goes something like this. "history eventuallyt repeats it self" This is very true regarding this particuluar situation this gen is just like PS2/xbox/game cube/

At the end of the gen. the total sales will probably end up as PS4 = 120 Million, xbox one = 40 million if they get lucky and wii u= LMAO! if I was nintendo I could cut the wii u's life support and focus just on pokemon, kids toys and hand helds.

So the lead that the X360 had and watched evaporate to the PS3 means nothing in regards to what is currently going on?? Oh yeah, that's right if anything is in the favor of a Sony console it just is what it is!!

Anyone who thinks that Sony will walk away with this generation is both blind and ignorant to history of gaming consoles and facts that this generations "console wars" wont even really get started until this time next year when games like Halo 5, Gears of War, Quantum Break, Crackdown 3, Fable Legends, Uncharted 4, Bloodborne and other titles hit the streets.

What I want to know is why the Cows spend so much time looking up sales numbers and videos of resolution comparisons? I mean the PS4 has a wealth of awesome games to play right?? Oh wait!!!!

XBone was doomed from the start by trying to be a do everything entertainment center and trying to force Kinect on everyone while costing an extra hundred bucks for less gaming performance.

Seems you are the blind one since they've already walked away with the generation. Sony shipped 3 million PS4s last quarter compared to the 1.1 million Xbones + 360s shipped. If that's not walking away nothing is. The race is over, you're just too delusional to see it.

Pc wins as always. Although this gen there wasn't really a competition cause the consoles were so weak right of the bat.

@I_can_haz: whatever you say bro! Like I said if the PS3 can overcome being behind the 360 by a year and being initially $200 more expensive to ultimately catch up to it in sales, then the war between the X1 and PS4 is far, far from over! It seems that you don't seem to understand that this race just started. It won't be until 2015 that these two consoles really start going at it with some real games and not a bunch of multiplats. Also, the X1 has only been at $399 for what, 6 weeks while the PS4 has been $100 less for 7-8 months prior!

I know you have this immature grudge against Xbox fans because you got your dick stomped for the majority of last generation with the PS3 having inferior multiplats, PSN sucking ass(still does) and a shit controller(DS4 blows rhino dicks), but there is no need to be so spiteful!! Go have Mommy make you some cookies and milk and maybe when you are all grown up and have a pair, we can talk reality!!!!

PS3 caught up because it had Europe and Japan from the start and it was a stronger brand worldwide. The Xbone brand doesn't hold a candle to PS brand and this gen Xbone is getting destroyed in every single market. Nobody wants the piece of shit as last month's NPD and Titanfall bundles flopping in March proved. Bundling a free game in Xbone's strongest market and doing a $100 price drop didn't help turn the tides. It doesn't matter if it was $399 several months earlier the PS4 would still outsell it like it's doing now. Cry some moar lol because there is no catching up, and neither your childish insults nor fanboy meltdowns will change this sad reality for Xbone.

@I_can_haz: whatever helps you sleep better at night bro! Do you spend this much time on important things in life like family, job, church, etc.?? Still don't get the whole hatred thing towards the Xbox brand! Does the PS4 being ahead in sales give you something of quality in life? Does Sony send you a loyalty check?? I mean I feel real bad for you if all you have to get you through each day are PS4 sales updates. Honestly if my life revolved around constantly rooting for one corporation over another for no other reason than to have a choice I made justified to me, I would probably put a gun in my mouth and end it. I feel bad for you!!! God bless!

You're the one crying and using childish insults in your posts not me. You seem more invested in the Xbox brand winning or failing than I do, I'm not the one calling people kids or telling them to grow a pair because they are posting facts. It seems you forget what forum you're on, it's called SW and your console of choice will be hated on. I post here for the lolz and it's very apparent in my posts, unfortunately for you it seems SW is a real life battle for you. It seems you're taking it way too seriously and having meltdowns over people telling you the Xbone is a flop. No need to bring family, church, etc. into SW arguments, they have no place here unless you're having a meltdown. There are other forums to discuss your personal life lol.

PS4 won the Pacific Theater but I think Russia will win overall when they steal Steam and release the Rusbox with free pirated games forever.

@I_can_haz: "You seem more invested in the Xbox brand winning or failing than I do"

That's simply not true

@Blabadon: You're really not one to talk considering the number of shitty Ps4 bashing threads you make on SW almost daily. Your threads are legendary for their shittiness.

Sony is leading. They haven't won. Only idiots call a race way before half way!

It wasn't the PS3 itself that made it beat the Xbox it was the fact that PS3 had pretty good exclusives that made people want to buy the console despite having a $600 price tag and inferior multiplats. Do you think M$ is just gonna sit back and let Sony take this gen without fighting, like I said PS3 came back because of the games not the console. There is nothing M$ can do to change the console so they are left to take the same route Sony did last gen and concentrate on making killer exclusives and new ip's. The good thing about this generation is that M$ can't afford to be as arrogant as they were last gen they are gonna have to invest money in exclusives to win gamers over, this is good for gamers and M$ because they have the money to do this so it shouldn't be a problem. It's ironic that PS3 came back from 9 million consoles behind, but you guys think Xbox is done when it's only behind by an estimated 4 million. If xbox gets more games that draw people in like Quantum Break, Sunset, Scalebound people will buy the system just like they bought Ps3 for Uncharted, Killzone, and Resistance.

So first the argument was the PS3 didn't have anything good to play for 3 years.? And now the argument is the PS3 had games that warrant purchase even at $600..lol

The PS3 launch with Resistance which basically was the only good exclusive on the console on launch.

Lets See Titanfall failed to make the xbox one outsold the PS4,price drop fail to make the xbox one outsold the PS4.

It wasn't the game on 2006 the PS3 had nothing,yet from the off shot it beat the 360 in Japan and Mainland EU,Resistance was basically the game to get which was great,but score wise was 86% in meta,it didn't scream to people get me.

The problem with that is that sony will also make killer games and new series,and we all know sony isn't scare of making new IP rather than over exploiting the ones they have like Halo,gear,forza where and are been this gen already.

That is a problem MS doesn't invest in new IP,hell they boy Gears instead of creating something new,Sunset Over drive isn't a MS game is owned by Insomniac,and developers will not want to give IP to MS when the PS4 hardware is almost doubling in numbers the xbox one hardware,hell get ready Titanfall 2 will land on PS4 because of this.

I have explain it to you like 10 times your are just to dumb to get it,MS doesn't have any countries they loss US,UK and the rest of the world is pro sony.

Without any of the big market from where will MS make for those 4 million units,for MS discount on the 4 million advantage it need to SELL MORE THAN THE PS4 MONTHLY.

The PS3 had Japan mainland EU what does the xbox one has tell me.?

Yeah the PS4 has games coming to,Drive Club,The Order and several others,so is not like sony will not release games any more,so people will stop buying the PS4.lol

But... Japan is irrelevant /roll

@I_can_haz: Do you really want to go deeper into this silly line of thought, because trust me, it'll be a slippery slope quite fast buddy

No seriously say yes, I'd enjoy that quite immensely

/thread. Why are cows still arguing?

yea in 2006 PS3 had Blu-ray so that sold it as well but the PS3 didn't really catch up until late in the gen, actually I remember reading last year sometime that PS3 had finally caught up to 360.

The problem is Sony is still in debt so if M$ starts pumping out a ton of games Sony doesn't have the money to take chances while still tryna crawl out the hole they dug for themselves. M$ is more than comfortable and can take more chances than Sony.

Last gen M$ didn't invest in new ip's,if they plan to stay in the game this gen the have no choice. Why would they not buy Gears that's all people have been asking for, Forza is the best racing franchise out, and Halo has a following that can't be denied. No PS exclusive has a backstory or following like Halo, Halo extends outside of the gaming market. Let me know when you have fan's paying thousand's of dollars for a Nathan Drake costume.

I doubt we will see SSO on PS4, or Titanfall 2 on PS4 especially with Sony denying Ea access, not too mention they would have to change the whole make of the game because your auto titan and the Ai run off the cloud. They just made it easier for M$ to pay for it not to come to PS. And I doubt insomniac will want to deal with Sony because it sounds like they left on bad terms.

No you are dumb those countries mean nothing if M$ makes good games then the console will sell that is the bottom line and you know it. Even if the rest of the world is pro Sony if you keep hearing PS fans asking "where are the games?",it makes xbox look more appealing everyday. Hell most PS fans say that their PS4 are just collecting dust, while Xbox fans can run their system all day #AllinoneEntertainment

"Without any of the big market from where will MS make for those 4 million units,for MS discount on the 4 million advantage it need to SELL MORE THAN THE PS4 MONTHLY."

In games you dummy, games sell consoles not specs. Remember last gen when Xbox had better looking multiplats PS3 three still caught up without selling more than Xbox monthly people got tired of waiting for more games to come to xbox

Driveclub will look nice but can't compete with Horizon 2, and game sites already pegged The Order as looking gearsy. But look at how many new ip's we've already seen from M$ this gen: Ryse, Titanfall, SSOD, Scalebound, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Ori and the blind Forest, that's seven new ip's announced in it's first year. Now add those to Gears, Halo, Forza, Alan Wake, Fable, Left for Dead 3 and the rest of the xbox exclusives I'm forgetting, and let's not forget about them buying first rights to DLC. On xbox you get Battlefield and COD Dlc first. Sony can't spend that kind of money this gen unless they want to stay in debt, and behind all your biased cow comments you know it.

You don't get it do you,the PS3 had blu-ray but was up to $300 more than a 360.

Well i didn't say it catch the xbox 360 in 1 year,but yearly they sold enough units to basically end tied with MS,all those things you claim games Blu-ray serve sony for nothing in US so that wasn't the selling point.

MS will not start putting tons of games,MS may have deep pockets but the xbox one is a business and you just don't make game like that specially when they can financially fail and hurt you more than help you.

You keep parading MS money as key to Victory MS had enough money to buy EA and Activision and end the war now why don't they do that..? Yeah because those companies are so big because they support all consoles,if MS buy them selling games only on xbox may send those companies into the gutter.

There is more to it than having money and you don't get it,the PS2 mopped the floor with the xbox and there was nothing MS could do to stop it,the wii did the same in just a few short years let the 360 and PS3 in the dust and there was nothing MS billions could do about it,thy have billions and their phone and tablets sell like complete sh** there is more to winning than just money and you just don't get it.

In fact that was MS first strategy on the xbox,thrown endless money at it and see what happens,it totally failed and MS loss 4 billion in 4 years,which lead to the incredible fast death of the xbox,the xbox 360 was done with profits in mind,alto it loss them 3.1 more billions,because of covering expensive hardware,and RROD,now the xbox one is totally make for profits,they basically loss nothing on hardware,maybe you should understand why the xbox one has DDR3 instead of GDDR5 when MS has endless billions to eat a loss for it,and why it has a cut down 7790 as well,MS had a vision stick to it hardware wise and could care less about putting some money to make the xbox one powerful,this machined was build from the ground up to milk you dry they just change a few since they are losing.

Yeah that is why the last Gears game scored under 80 and sold like crap,because that is what xbox fans want.lol

And forza suffer the same fate 80 on meta is lower score than GT6,so yeah Forza loss its crown scores determine that.

Yet Halo 4 was the fastest Halo ever to be drop online,and sold less than Reach to.

Dude i don't know about SSO but Titanfall 2 yeah that is warranty to be on PS4 i am sure,and while the PS4 doesn't have EA rent service,it is on EA best interest to make money,and like MS EA has shareholders which were not very happy to see how much more Titanfall could have sold but didn't because EA wrongly assume that MS would win the generation,and the whole cloud crap is sh** how many times i have told you this,if Titanfall is set to land on PS4 believe it no cloud crap will stop it from comming,you are a die hard lemming a blind one to,who actually eat any sh** MS throw at you.. But but the cloud Titanfall can't run on PS4.lol

Business is business sony not wanting the EA service on PS4 will do nothing bro,all EA games sold better on PS4 and they continue to,EA will do nothing expect titanfall 2 on PS4.

And Insomniac left on bad terms.? Thats news to me..

So it’s with great pride I get to announce that Insomniac will continue our involvement with the Ratchet & Clank movie while developing a game that re-imagines the original Ratchet & Clank for PS4. As was mentioned during Sony’s press conference , the game will share the film’s vision of Ratchet’s origin story, and features updated gameplay along with completely new visuals that rival the best PS4 games on the market.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/06/09/ratchet-clank-announced-for-ps4/

Silly Lemming Insomniac is working on Ratchet and Clank for PS4 and on the movie as well...lol

Really so answer me this,did any Halo make the xbox 360 outsold the PS3 in Japan.? Did any Gears make the xbox 360 outsell the PS3 in Japan.? How about Forza.? Or in mainland EU did any of MS exclusives change anything.? You are such a moron,if those exclusive would have make what you claim they would do,the PS3 would have never pass the xbox 360,since you know MS exclusives will make the xbox sell on those countries,how old are you son 14.?

No most fanboys like you and some angry fanboys with agendas claim here their PS4 collect dust,if the PS4 collect dust hell the xbox one most have a mountain of dirt on top,it has nothing absolutely nothing since what Titanfall which was also on other platforms.? All are multiplatforms which are superior on PS4 by the way..lol

Yeah it does when the xbox one has even less games to play than the PS4 and lower rated ones to,what the fu** does the xbox one has to play siinc Titanfall what.? We got Infamous which is a true exclusive, MLB,now TLOU while you use your xbox one to watch cable because it has not games..lol

That is why the PS4 sold better in June even after a price drop,because the xbox one is more appealing when has less games than the PS4..lol

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-last-of-us-remastered

Whats that does the xbox one has a game scored 95% on Meta like the PS4 even a re make,a multiplatform or exclusive.? NO.? Hahahahaaaaaaaaaa

Meanwhile Titanfall scored 86 and was multiplatform..lol

You idiot who was talking about graphics.?

Wait the question was from where MS will make for the 4 million gap when they don't have any country on their side this time,if they end up tied with a 1 year head start and 9 millions ahead vs a $600 dollar console,what the fu** make you think they will be even close to sony this time,when there is no 1 year head start,no 9 million advantage and sony is winning all markets.

In what planet do you live,for MS to win they need to sell more in US and other countries as well,last gen they had US and UK and a year head start and loss,this time they have nothing,and games alone will not save them specially MS which isn't know for making new IP like sony.

Why can't Drive Club compete with Forza Horizon.? Based on what because FH has never been a 90 series it was 80+ unlike what Forza used to be.

The Order is one of the best looking games,last game compare to gears on a sony platform was Uncharted and look how that turn out,so been like gears doesn't mean the game will be bad,Uncharted 2 was higher rated than any gears of war game,and Uncharted 3 didn't drop into the 70's like the last Gears of war did.

Ryse isn't from MS it was PUBLISH which isn't the same.

SSO isn't from MS either is from Insomniac and they hold the rights not MS.

Titanfall is a Respawn game publish by EA Respawn own all the rights.

Scalebound Is a Platinum Games published by MS,Platinum games own the rights.

Project Spark is a MS game..

See you just name a bunch of games that are on xbox one by DEALS but that are not from MS,much like Gears of war or Mass Effect were last gen,those games don't belong to MS dude,so if the deal if up they very well can end on PS4 alto i doubt it in most of the cases.

The Order is a SONY game,so is Drive Club.

The fact that you even counted Titanfall as a MS IP says it all,you don't sh** about those games they are not owned by MS most like Titanfall is a deal,and like titanfall who knows what can happen with some of the sequels,specially in SSO,Titanfall,Ryse or even Scalebound.

Scalebound and Quantum Brake are not for 2014,Project Spark will also be on PC,Titafall already hit flopped and was also on PC and 360,Ryse lol the only thing decent is SSO and Ori is an Indie we have those by the ton on PS4..lol

Yet all multiplatforms sold better on PS4 regardless of the DLC first..hahahahaha

Better luck next gen kid.

Best start does not guarantee best finish. Just ask the Wii.