Should Nintendo sell the Wii U without Gamepad?

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#1 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

I understand that Nintendo is trying to make their console different from everyone else's, and thats fine, its what made them so successful with the Wii/DS, but the Wii U just isnt exciting right now, its 350 dollars, thats waaaay to much, right now third party are avoiding it pretty heavily.

If they drop the Gamepad from it however, they could probably drop the price down to 250, maybe even 200 dollars, if someone wants the Gamepad, they can still buy it seperately.  Make every game compatible with the 360 controller and the Wii U gamepad, it would still work, it would just make the Wii U alot more appealing.

#3 Posted by nintendoboy16 (27828 posts) -
They will later on. I read somewhere that Nintendo isn't selling them separately right now is to prevent confusion on what works with what.
#4 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

They did mention before the Wii U released that once there are games that require two gamepads then they will offer them in stores. They said that nothing before March will require two gamepads.

#5 Posted by Timstuff (26837 posts) -
It wouldn't solve the problem that the system is 6 years late to the party and doesn't have 1/10 the library of its competitors. The system is a massive fail all around, although Nintendo might be able to recoup some of their losses if they offer a bare-bones SKU with a Pro controller instead of a gamepad.
#6 Posted by BrunoBRS (73263 posts) -

They did mention before the Wii U released that once there are games that require two gamepads then they will offer them in stores. They said that nothing before March will require two gamepads.

Nintendo_Ownes7
no one will make a game that uses two gamepads until users are allowed to have two gamepads.
#7 Posted by MonsieurX (31523 posts) -
Don't expect it to be cheap
#8 Posted by Nonstop-Madness (9491 posts) -
It would defeat the purpose. The gamepad is what makes the Wii U.
#9 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

They did mention before the Wii U released that once there are games that require two gamepads then they will offer them in stores. They said that nothing before March will require two gamepads.

BrunoBRS

no one will make a game that uses two gamepads until users are allowed to have two gamepads.

Isn't Japan already allowed to have two Gamepads?

 

I thought they sold them in stores in Japan already.

#10 Posted by Timstuff (26837 posts) -
It would defeat the purpose. The gamepad is what makes the Wii U.Nonstop-Madness
That's part of the problem.
#11 Posted by PatchMaster (6013 posts) -

Should they sell the console without the gamepad? NO

 

Should they sell the gamepad separately to open up multiplayer opportunities? YES

#12 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26183 posts) -

Oh crap, I read the poll wrong.

NO, Nintendo CAN'T sell the WiiU with the Gamepad Seperate, as much as you think it would be better, It won't, in fact it's worse.

In order for you to even log in to the WiiU you must enter your Nintendo ID password, this REQUIRES a WiiU Gamepad.

You may think the WiiU Gamepad is just another controller, but in reality it's actually part of the entire system. (break the pad, you have a broken system.)

I agree that Nintendo should sell seperate pads for those that broke their pad or lost it, but I don't agree with Nintendo selling WiiUs without the pad, It'll probably cost a lot more than what they are now.

#13 Posted by nintendoboy16 (27828 posts) -

Also: Selling the Wii U without the gamepad? Last I checked the Pad is REQUIRED, so no. It's like selling the Wii without the motion controls.

#14 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26183 posts) -

Also: Selling the Wii U without the gamepad? Last I checked the Pad is REQUIRED, so no. It's like selling the Wii without the motion controls.

nintendoboy16

or selling the PS3 without Bluray.

#15 Posted by Timstuff (26837 posts) -

Oh crap, I read the poll wrong.

NO, Nintendo CAN'T sell the WiiU with the Gamepad Seperate, as much as you think it would be better, It won't, in fact it's worse.

In order for you to even log in to the WiiU you must enter your Nintendo ID password, this REQUIRES a WiiU Gamepad.

You may think the WiiU Gamepad is just another controller, but in reality it's actually part of the entire system. (break the pad, you have a broken system.)

I agree that Nintendo should sell seperate pads for those that broke their pad or lost it, but I don't agree with Nintendo selling WiiUs without the pad, It'll probably cost a lot more than what they are now.

LegatoSkyheart

Obviously they would need to revise the OS to optionally work without the gamepad if they were to offer such an SKU.

#16 Posted by nintendoboy16 (27828 posts) -

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Oh crap, I read the poll wrong.

NO, Nintendo CAN'T sell the WiiU with the Gamepad Seperate, as much as you think it would be better, It won't, in fact it's worse.

In order for you to even log in to the WiiU you must enter your Nintendo ID password, this REQUIRES a WiiU Gamepad.

You may think the WiiU Gamepad is just another controller, but in reality it's actually part of the entire system. (break the pad, you have a broken system.)

I agree that Nintendo should sell seperate pads for those that broke their pad or lost it, but I don't agree with Nintendo selling WiiUs without the pad, It'll probably cost a lot more than what they are now.

Timstuff

Obviously they would need to revise the OS to optionally work without the gamepad if they were to offer such an SKU.

And that would take one HELL of a patch.
#17 Posted by layton2012 (3489 posts) -
Selling the Wii U sans game pad would probably only cause more unwanted confusion, all Nintendo games will most likely require the game pad in some form, and NintendoLand probably one of the best casual games is unplayable in any form without the game pad.
#18 Posted by Basinboy (11367 posts) -

Doing that would spell the death of the Wii U.  Honestly, Nintendo's system is all about its controller.

#19 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

Selling the Wii U sans game pad would probably only cause more unwanted confusion, all Nintendo games will most likely require the game pad in some form, and NintendoLand probably one of the best casual games is unplayable in any form without the game pad.layton2012
Also you can't log onto the Wii U without the Gamepad.

#21 Posted by layton2012 (3489 posts) -

[QUOTE="layton2012"]Selling the Wii U sans game pad would probably only cause more unwanted confusion, all Nintendo games will most likely require the game pad in some form, and NintendoLand probably one of the best casual games is unplayable in any form without the game pad.Nintendo_Ownes7

Also you can't log onto the Wii U without the Gamepad.

Yeah someone mentioned that above, so I didn't bother to mention it again. Basically the Wii I is useless without the game pad.
#22 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

I really begin to feel that Nintendo tying your account to the console was the dumbest move they could have made... had they not done such a thing, selling Gamepads would be easy ad very welcome by the users. (Since you could log on from any Gamepad to the overall Nintendo Network).. Ah well.. hopefully they'll find a way around it. Even though there should not be a need to do it in the first place...

Desmonic

They said that there will be a Firmware update where they will make accounts not tied to the console anymore.

#23 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26183 posts) -

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

Obviously they would need to revise the OS to optionally work without the gamepad if they were to offer such an SKU.

nintendoboy16

And that would take one HELL of a patch.

This.

Right now as the WiiU is, it's a giant DS.

and just like the DS if the touch screen breaks you might as well get a new one.

this isn't like the Nintendo Wii were you can control nearly all of the main menu stuff with a Classic Controller, You REALLY DO need the Gamepad in order to play the WiiU.

Unless they decide to make Log ins like the Wii where you can use the Wiimote then you're out of luck if you gamepad breaks, you will NEED to get one.

Also if you buy a WiiU that doesn't have a Controller (because WiiUs just come with Gamepads, there IS no other controller that comes with it, unless you're Japanese and got the Monster Hunter Bundle) then you will STILL need to buy a $50-$80 controllers for them to actually PLAY the games.

#25 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26183 posts) -

I really begin to feel that Nintendo tying your account to the console was the dumbest move they could have made... had they not done such a thing, selling Gamepads would be easy ad very welcome by the users. (Since you could log on from any Gamepad to the overall Nintendo Network).. Ah well.. hopefully they'll find a way around it. Even though there should not be a need to do it in the first place...

Desmonic

It's pretty stupid, hopefully Nintendo finds out about tying accounts to the actual account soon.

I can look at my entire puchase history on Club Nintendo, I don't see how Nintendo can't make a system like Sony's or MS's.

#26 Posted by Kingpin0114 (2603 posts) -

They have to eventually unless the the gamepad is under a lifetime warranty.

#27 Posted by layton2012 (3489 posts) -

They have to eventually unless the the gamepad is under a lifetime warranty.

Kingpin0114
Yes, of course but TC is asking if the Wii U should be sold alone without a game pad.
#28 Posted by Kingpin0114 (2603 posts) -

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

They have to eventually unless the the gamepad is under a lifetime warranty.

layton2012

Yes, of course but TC is asking if the Wii U should be sold alone without a game pad.

 

No to that.

#29 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

I apoligize for making a misleading thread title, i didnt think about it properly before posting. *Fixed it in edit*

#30 Posted by OreoMilkshake (12825 posts) -
The pad is required for the setup and eShop and various other things.
#31 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26183 posts) -

I'm apparently wrong!

All Nintendo would need to do is have the option to log in to your Nintendo Network ID without the use of the Gamepad and the WiiU is completely functional by use of the Wiimote. I thought the Wiimote was completly turned off on the menu screen. I have been wronged.

So yes, Selling a WiiU without the Gamepad is possible. However you still need a Wiimote and Nunchuck.

#32 Posted by Cruxis27 (1909 posts) -

A Wii U wothout the game pad is just an overpriced Wii. Not to mention this will encourage developers to ignore the game pad.

#33 Posted by nintendoboy16 (27828 posts) -

A Wii U wothout the game pad is just an overpriced Wii. Not to mention this will encourage developers to ignore the game pad.

Cruxis27

Oh great, it's "3DS without the 3D is nothing more than a DS" again...

#34 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

A Wii U wothout the game pad is just an overpriced Wii. Not to mention this will encourage developers to ignore the game pad.

Cruxis27

I think a system that plays HD Nintendo games for 200 dollars will sell better than a 350 dollar system that plays HD Nintendo games while looking down at a controller all the time. Just my opinion.

If people like the gampad, theres nothing stopping them from buying it seperately, give them a CHOICE, thats all im saying.

#35 Posted by trollop_scat (2655 posts) -

Design a system meant for children with a really expensive, delicate controller... what could possibly go wrong!?

I know you System Warriors take great care of your gaming devices, I've seen the pictures you guys have posted of y'alls battle stations. However, kids don't givvafuk.

I didn't know that you needed the Wii U tablet just to log in, and that replacements tablets aren't even available for purchase! I wonder how many kids have already broken their tablets and can't even play on their new systems?

#36 Posted by deomag4 (86 posts) -

Design a system meant for children with a really expensive, delicate controller... what could possibly go wrong!?

I know you System Warriors take great care of your gaming devices, I've seen the pictures you guys have posted of y'alls battle stations. However, kids don't givvafuk.

I didn't know that you needed the Wii U tablet just to log in, and that replacements tablets aren't even available for purchase! I wonder how many kids have already broken their tablets and can't even play on their new systems?

trollop_scat

 

to be fair, the gamepad is built like a rock, There's youtube videos of people doing drop tests of it where they drop it 2-3 stories down onto concrete and it only gets minor scratches on it (and still works perfectly fine)

#37 Posted by Heil68 (46645 posts) -
Since its required atm, they wont.
#38 Posted by Kingpin0114 (2603 posts) -

[QUOTE="trollop_scat"]

Design a system meant for children with a really expensive, delicate controller... what could possibly go wrong!?

I know you System Warriors take great care of your gaming devices, I've seen the pictures you guys have posted of y'alls battle stations. However, kids don't givvafuk.

I didn't know that you needed the Wii U tablet just to log in, and that replacements tablets aren't even available for purchase! I wonder how many kids have already broken their tablets and can't even play on their new systems?

deomag4

 

to be fair, the gamepad is built like a rock, There's youtube videos of people doing drop tests of it where they drop it 2-3 stories down onto concrete and it only gets minor scratches on it (and still works perfectly fine)

 

not surprised. One thing Nintendo does really well is build some very very durable hardware.

#39 Posted by layton2012 (3489 posts) -

A Wii U wothout the game pad is just an overpriced Wii. Not to mention this will encourage developers to ignore the game pad.

Cruxis27
If ignoring the gamepad would convince more third parties to make for the Wii U, I wouldn't mind them ignoring the gamepad even though I think being able to play the complete game on the gamepad and use the TV, is a good enough use for the gamepad.
#40 Posted by Cherokee_Jack (32198 posts) -
It wouldn't solve the problem that the system is 6 years late to the party and doesn't have 1/10 the library of its competitors.Timstuff
Its competitors have 100% fewer games because they aren't announced yet.
#41 Posted by Mario1331 (8835 posts) -

it just needs games dude. like any other system thats selling

#42 Posted by Big_Pecks (5559 posts) -

No, it's necessary and seperate bundling would only confuse people more.

#43 Posted by HarlockJC (25546 posts) -
Too many games need it...Look at Rayman Legends
#44 Posted by silversix_ (15753 posts) -
Just sell it without HDD, Ethernet port and BR/DVD player, they should be able to reach $200 without those.
#45 Posted by mems_1224 (48284 posts) -
$350 isn't that much. thats only $100 more than a vita
#46 Posted by mariokart64fan (19636 posts) -

what proof do you have that third party are avoiding it ,not publishing last gen ports for it isnt the same as avoiding it,

 

i  got quite a few third party to list as it is ,

for starters

need for speed mw 

resident evil revelations 

bayonetta 2

ninja gaiden 

zombiu

ac3

batman ac

ghostrecon

nba2k13

cabelas 2013

sniper 2

 wheel of fortune

jeopardy

gameparty

rabbits land

rayman legends

lego city undercover

-and you say third party are avoiding it just because a few games-some of which i dont really care for ]

eg

tombraider- who wants that i have never enjoyed tombraider since ps1 era

gtav-this one may come as rockstar said it wasnt out of the cards

metrolast light-thq bankrupt

so ya what multiplats are we talking about that wiiu isnt getting that is not a current gen title that was already in development! 

#47 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7814 posts) -

[QUOTE="Cruxis27"]

A Wii U wothout the game pad is just an overpriced Wii. Not to mention this will encourage developers to ignore the game pad.

crimsonman1245

I think a system that plays HD Nintendo games for 200 dollars will sell better than a 350 dollar system that plays HD Nintendo games while looking down at a controller all the time. Just my opinion.

If people like the gampad, theres nothing stopping them from buying it seperately, give them a CHOICE, thats all im saying.

The problem with offering video game consumers choice is that developers will always target the lowest common denominator to achieve the largest install base, and those people who choose the option with the better gameplay capabilities will never actually see those capabilities realized. It's better to just shoehorn developers into creating games with the superior controller in mind.
#48 Posted by Haziqonfire (36344 posts) -
No. The GamePad is what differentiates the Wii U while also making the Wii U fairly traditional. The added screen functionality is entirely beneficial and I wouldn't want to lose that.
#49 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
Of course they should, it makes prefect sense to offer a console for purchase without an input device.
#50 Posted by caseypayne69 (5390 posts) -
It's to late. The console is already out.