Should Nintendo Abandon the Wii U Gamepad?

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#1 Edited by PhazonBlazer (11650 posts) -

It starts around the 2:57 mark. He does bring up some good points, I haven't seen one game on the Wii U from Nintendo that takes full advantage of the Wii U gamepad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ZbRArSczk

What do you think? I personally really like what Nintendo has done with the gamepad, especially being able to use a map in Wind Waker/Assassin's Creed IV without pausing the game. But with the rise of Smart Glass and other tablet features, the other next-gen consoles will probably be getting similar features.

#2 Posted by PonchoTaco (1991 posts) -

Wasn't there a thread on this about a week or two ago?

#3 Edited by PhazonBlazer (11650 posts) -

Wasn't there a thread on this about a week or two ago?

I dunno, I didn't see it

#4 Posted by timbers_WSU (5753 posts) -

No. They should drop the whole thing.

#5 Edited by Ballroompirate (22579 posts) -

I have to agree they really need to drop the innovative desire they have cause it's gonna cost them in the long run. Seriously if it ain't broke don't fix it, I don't think I could ever play a console w/o an actual controller or a PC game w/o a kb/m or if it's compatible with a controller.

#6 Edited by schu (9239 posts) -

I like the tablet controller. Being able to play off the screen and plug headphones into the controller is a great feature for a lot of family situations. Of all the things I don't like about the Wii U, the tablet controller isn't one of them.

#7 Posted by idill23 (1071 posts) -


Should of made it optional.

#8 Edited by charizard1605 (56257 posts) -

I mean, sure, they should adopt the more traditional approach to their console the next time, but for the Wii U, the tablet is integral. I really like what they have done with it.

Sure, I haven't actually played a game that utilized it beyond a glorified menu/inventory/map screen, but the convenience of that alone cannot be overstated. Plus, perhaps the most important thing the tablet controller brings to the game is Off TV Play, and that is one feature I like too much to have it dropped.

#9 Posted by darkspineslayer (19564 posts) -

How many gimmicks does a developer need to shove on the thing? Games like Pikmin and (I'm told) W101 make excellent use of it, without being overbearing.

#10 Edited by silversix_ (14127 posts) -

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

#11 Posted by farrell2k (5824 posts) -

Nope. The WiiU game pad is the most innovative controller this gen. Off TV play is awesome.

#13 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (13544 posts) -

@idill23 said:

Should of made it optional.

#14 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (4210 posts) -

Nope. It's the only thing making it stand out against the PS4 and the Bone.

#15 Posted by trugs26 (5312 posts) -

I love the controller. So no. Off-screen play and general menu navigation is really useful.

#16 Posted by millerlight89 (18348 posts) -

Hell no. It's the best controller this generation. I mean what other controller can I stream my game to? I love it. The screen quality is solid, and so is the overall build quality.

How many gimmicks does a developer need to shove on the thing? Games like Pikmin and (I'm told) W101 make excellent use of it, without being overbearing.

IDK about Pikmin as I found the Wii Mote and nunchuck to be the best method of control for that game. 3d world does some cool stuff with it, without being shoved in your face. I still think ZombieU is the best use of it. I just enjoy being able to play my games on it when I got to bed.

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

I can play 3d world on 3DS? No. I can play Pikmin 3 on 3ds? No. Mario is in 1080p on the wii u, so I do not get the 720p com......o wait. I'm so sorry, it's silversix everyone.

#17 Posted by silversix_ (14127 posts) -

Hell no. It's the best controller this generation. I mean what other controller can I stream my game to? I love it. The screen quality is solid, and so is the overall build quality.

@darkspineslayer said:

How many gimmicks does a developer need to shove on the thing? Games like Pikmin and (I'm told) W101 make excellent use of it, without being overbearing.

IDK about Pikmin as I found the Wii Mote and nunchuck to be the best method of control for that game. 3d world does some cool stuff with it, without being shoved in your face. I still think ZombieU is the best use of it. I just enjoy being able to play my games on it when I got to bed.

@silversix_ said:

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

it's silversix everyone.

Hello. How are you today? 3d world or not its still mario. you save the princess for the 74th time and collect mushrooms. How many copies did pikmin sold? that's how many care about the game so considering this game as one of those worth purchasing a wiiu for is lolno.

#18 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (3504 posts) -

The thing that makes it unique? Lol no. Love that thing and it has some cool features and benefits.

#19 Posted by Sword-Demon (6970 posts) -

The gamepad is the best thing about the Wii U. It has all of the buttons of a traditional controller, plus whatever the dev feels like putting on the touch screen - which can be a map, more buttons, a menu, inventory, or something unique.

Also, the gamepad is already an integral part of the Wii U; they can't just remove it. the system's firmware and every single game released so far would have to be updated to be able to work with a standard controller.

If they were to somehow drop the gamepad, then all they'd have is an underpowered console with a divided install base.

#20 Posted by millerlight89 (18348 posts) -

@millerlight89 said:

Hell no. It's the best controller this generation. I mean what other controller can I stream my game to? I love it. The screen quality is solid, and so is the overall build quality.

@darkspineslayer said:

How many gimmicks does a developer need to shove on the thing? Games like Pikmin and (I'm told) W101 make excellent use of it, without being overbearing.

IDK about Pikmin as I found the Wii Mote and nunchuck to be the best method of control for that game. 3d world does some cool stuff with it, without being shoved in your face. I still think ZombieU is the best use of it. I just enjoy being able to play my games on it when I got to bed.

@silversix_ said:

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

it's silversix everyone.

Hello. How are you today? 3d world or not its still mario. you save the princess for the 74th time and collect mushrooms. How many copies did pikmin sold? that's how many care about the game so considering this game as one of those worth purchasing a wiiu for is lolno.

Damn! You're really slow.

#21 Posted by silversix_ (14127 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

@millerlight89 said:

Hell no. It's the best controller this generation. I mean what other controller can I stream my game to? I love it. The screen quality is solid, and so is the overall build quality.

@darkspineslayer said:

How many gimmicks does a developer need to shove on the thing? Games like Pikmin and (I'm told) W101 make excellent use of it, without being overbearing.

IDK about Pikmin as I found the Wii Mote and nunchuck to be the best method of control for that game. 3d world does some cool stuff with it, without being shoved in your face. I still think ZombieU is the best use of it. I just enjoy being able to play my games on it when I got to bed.

@silversix_ said:

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

it's silversix everyone.

Hello. How are you today? 3d world or not its still mario. you save the princess for the 74th time and collect mushrooms. How many copies did pikmin sold? that's how many care about the game so considering this game as one of those worth purchasing a wiiu for is lolno.

Damn! You're really slow.

DAMN!

#22 Posted by good_sk8er7 (4321 posts) -

The tablet controller is probably one of my favorite parts, instantly switching my inventory items out and not having to open a map is just amazing. There's really a lot of great things about it. I personally love the tablet controller.

#23 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2754 posts) -

The wii u pad is a bad idea why

1. Cost - the system would be much cheaper using a normal gamepad

2. There is only so it's not like you can use if freely

3. No game not even nintendo's have really used it

4. 3rd party devs are not going to spend money on a port to create content for the lcd

5. The system is by far the weakest and driving a second screen is sapping the already limited power

The wii u could be sold for 250 dollars using a standard controller and that IMO is a impulse buy and would in turn help the system get to the magic 199 price sooner and move units.

#24 Posted by lamprey263 (23294 posts) -

no, the gamepad is a great feature for the system

#25 Edited by bulby_g (1053 posts) -

Nope, I love it. Fantastic uses for it in Nintendoland, ZombiU and Windwaker. 5 player matches in Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed and then off screen play which I love and use all the time. I even used it for a few web functions too as it's bigger than my phone and I don't have a tablet.

Has been used very well already and has even more potential IMO.

#26 Edited by superbuuman (2705 posts) -

yup, its what costing the system..so innovative? yet so useless at the same time, don't mind if its drop. 1 game ZombiU have use it in a good way, & off screen play but not deal breaker. Either Nintendo starts using it in a meaningful way or just drop..& replace with 2 pro controllers...heck even go back to using wiimote. :p

#27 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24996 posts) -

The Pad should not be entirely gone.

But I do think they should make the Gamepad completely optional.

#28 Posted by Sushiglutton (5227 posts) -

It's too late for that now. Better to hold out for a couple of years and then release a new platform.

#29 Posted by nini200 (9633 posts) -

It starts around the 2:57 mark. He does bring up some good points, I haven't seen one game on the Wii U from Nintendo that takes full advantage of the Wii U gamepad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ZbRArSczk

What do you think? I personally really like what Nintendo has done with the gamepad, especially being able to use a map in Wind Waker/Assassin's Creed IV without pausing the game. But with the rise of Smart Glass and other tablet features, the other next-gen consoles will probably be getting similar features.

No developer will take full advantage of the gamepad.

#30 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7053 posts) -

It would be nice if Nintendo would bring some franchises to the console that would make better use of the pad like Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, or something new.

#31 Edited by Heil68 (43594 posts) -

I haven't played one game where it's made a bit of difference. Off screen play is it's only good point.

#32 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (7256 posts) -

Wasn't there a thread on this about a week or two ago?

Seems to be one every other week. Rinse, repeat.

#33 Posted by starwolf474 (572 posts) -

To appeal to the largest percentage of people they should release two SKUs. They can keep their current SKU with the Gamepad priced at $300 for the people that really like the Gamepad and they can release a second SKU that comes packed with the Pro controller instead of the Gamepad released for $250 or less for people that prefer a traditional controller and cheaper console. And then mandate that games be compatible with both the Gamepad and Pro controller.

#34 Edited by PurpleMan5000 (7053 posts) -

To appeal to the largest percentage of people they should release two SKUs. They can keep their current SKU with the Gamepad priced at $300 for the people that really like the Gamepad and they can release a second SKU that comes packed with the Pro controller instead of the Gamepad released for $250 or less for people that prefer a traditional controller and cheaper console. And then mandate that games be compatible with both the Gamepad and Pro controller.

I would probably just sell my Wii U if they did that.

#35 Edited by joehult (364 posts) -

First motion gaming is taken over by xbox, then Sony creates a better way to link a handheld with a console. Leaving Nintendo with an inferior motion controller and a tethered second screen. Sure, they sort of innovate, but they half ass too much, allowing the competition to take over their gimmick. A ps4+vita is better than a wiiu.

#36 Posted by super600 (30384 posts) -

I love the gamepad. I really like using the off-tv features of the WiiU.

#37 Edited by super600 (30384 posts) -

@millerlight89 said:

Hell no. It's the best controller this generation. I mean what other controller can I stream my game to? I love it. The screen quality is solid, and so is the overall build quality.

@darkspineslayer said:

How many gimmicks does a developer need to shove on the thing? Games like Pikmin and (I'm told) W101 make excellent use of it, without being overbearing.

IDK about Pikmin as I found the Wii Mote and nunchuck to be the best method of control for that game. 3d world does some cool stuff with it, without being shoved in your face. I still think ZombieU is the best use of it. I just enjoy being able to play my games on it when I got to bed.

@silversix_ said:

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

it's silversix everyone.

Hello. How are you today? 3d world or not its still mario. you save the princess for the 74th time and collect mushrooms. How many copies did pikmin sold? that's how many care about the game so considering this game as one of those worth purchasing a wiiu for is lolno.

Have you played super mario 3d world?

#38 Edited by nintendoboy16 (26325 posts) -

@joehult said:

First motion gaming is taken over by xbox, then Sony creates a better way to link a handheld with a console. Leaving Nintendo with an inferior motion controller and a tethered second screen. Sure, they sort of innovate, but they half ass too much, allowing the competition to take over their gimmick. A ps4+vita is better than a wiiu.

Even though the Wii U Gamepad wasn't INTENDED to be a handheld, but another controller? Seriously, if you're going to bring that up, compare it to GameCube/GBA linking, not the Wii U Gamepad.

#39 Edited by super600 (30384 posts) -

@joehult said:

First motion gaming is taken over by xbox, then Sony creates a better way to link a handheld with a console. Leaving Nintendo with an inferior motion controller and a tethered second screen. Sure, they sort of innovate, but they half ass too much, allowing the competition to take over their gimmick. A ps4+vita is better than a wiiu.

The vita appeals to an even smaller group of people than the WiiU so not a lot of people will care about remote play so no one will ever buy both a ps4 and vita to use that feature because it's not afforadable and the vita is an unattractive product that can not be saved.

#40 Edited by bbkkristian (14946 posts) -

No, I love having off screen play for nearly all of the games.

#41 Posted by LordQuorthon (5294 posts) -

It's too late for them now, but yes. The Wii U should have been a motion controls + classic controller pro package and optional remote play integration with the 3DS. It would have been way cheaper and price would have helped it quite a bit.

They got the right idea by making it compatible with all kids of Wii controllers. That was a spark of brilliance. But then they added that new controller that pushed the price right into the "Not a chance. I'll wait for a bunch of price drops" territory.

#42 Edited by Wild_man_22 (581 posts) -

So then their only selling point is what? We are a more expensive 360 but with less storage, less features, and a vastly inferior amount of games?

Do people ever think when they bring up this suggestion? Like how it would affect development decisions? Or what exactly would set it apart from older or even newer consoles

How do you sell it at that point?

Nintendo wii-u....we got less...like...nothing...at all...YEAH!!!

#43 Edited by KBFloYd (13277 posts) -

gamepad is great...monster hunter 3...having the hud on the gamepad makes the game more beautiful on my tv...plus using the gamepad to search for items while im battling makes it more challenging. assasins creed also takes the hud off.

splinter cell black list and windwaker hd prove that having the pause menu with all your items much easier and fluid to use. instead of pausing the game.

off tv play is great..

also party minigames.... you cvant have party games with a normal controller it isnt as wacky and fun.

#44 Edited by silversix_ (14127 posts) -

@super600: No. Im not going all crazy about Mario twice a year. But i've seen enough footage to know how it plays and how it plays doesn't interest me one bit. I'd enjoy Luigi's Mansion on 3ds more than this that's for sure.

#45 Posted by Glitter (353 posts) -

I feel they should have only had it as an optional add-on or not at all; I prefer the Pro Controller.

#46 Posted by ActicEdge (24381 posts) -

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

I generally never agree with you but for the first time, I basically completely agree with you. Without the tablet, the system isn't useful for much of anything.

#47 Posted by linkdarkside (6253 posts) -

nothing beat a real gaming controller.

#48 Edited by jg4xchamp (47536 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

I generally never agree with you but for the first time, I basically completely agree with you. Without the tablet, the system isn't useful for much of anything.

Amount of games Nintendo has released where the tablet has been a meaningful addition to the game:

1: Wonderful 101

Just saying. But yes the thread title is ridiculous.

#49 Posted by ActicEdge (24381 posts) -

@ActicEdge said:

@silversix_ said:

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

I generally never agree with you but for the first time, I basically completely agree with you. Without the tablet, the system isn't useful for much of anything.

Amount of games Nintendo has released where the tablet has been a meaningful addition to the game:

1: Wonderful 101

Just saying. But yes the thread title is ridiculous.

They didn't really justify its usefulness for gaming. In the same notion though, I don't actually think the tablet is useful for gaming. Off screen play is a pretty nice addition though. I still think Nintendo could have banged out a stronger system if they dropped Wii backwards compatibility, went for off the shelf parts and said screw it to energy efficient design since all three of those things do not mean shit to anybody buying games back in 2011/2012 let alone now.

#50 Posted by jg4xchamp (47536 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

@ActicEdge said:

@silversix_ said:

If they do, what is the purpose of WiiU? You can play your Mario's on 3ds and 720p on x1, ps3, 360. Without the pad its a 360 released 8y too late without 3rd party support.

I generally never agree with you but for the first time, I basically completely agree with you. Without the tablet, the system isn't useful for much of anything.

Amount of games Nintendo has released where the tablet has been a meaningful addition to the game:

1: Wonderful 101

Just saying. But yes the thread title is ridiculous.

They didn't really justify its usefulness for gaming. In the same notion though, I don't actually think the tablet is useful for gaming. Off screen play is a pretty nice addition though. I still think Nintendo could have banged out a stronger system if they dropped Wii backwards compatibility, went for off the shelf parts and said screw it to energy efficient design since all three of those things do not mean shit to anybody buying games back in 2011/2012 let alone now.

True, but Nintendo. It's become a synonym for incompetence.