Shitty game, incredible sequel

This...

WTF? Persona 2 was great.

So was Age of Empires 1.

Like the person above me...What are you smoking?

On the other hand you like Mario 13216161 and other ninty rehashes and gimmicks so your gaming taste is very doubtful.

The only correct answer in this thread. There are plenty of games listed that could run for "most improved sequel" but the original was a shitty game? Really?

I wanna know what gaming nirvana people are in when they consider titles like Pokemon Yellow or Max Payne bad games.

Killzone 6.9 to Killzone 2 got a 9

But Assassin's Creed 1 is shitty. It is a soul crushingly repetitive and tedious game with nothing good to offer outside of production values/awesome cities.

I don't really give a shit what Gamespot thinks of the game. AC1 is a shiny turd, but it's a turd nevertheless. I was actually pissed that I wasted 40 bucks on it (it was my own fault tho; I should have watched some Lets Play footage).

You should probably stop being so butthurt that other people don't like the games you like. Being butthurt about other people's gaming preferences is for losers.

what? Assassin Creed 1 is shitty game now? thats news for me

Awesome game, loved every moment of it.

(PS2) Zone of the Enders to Zone of The Enders: The 2nd Runner.(Best version now on PS3)

Fantastic leap. Not had a game beat its fast action gameplay yet. Especially when you get 'Zero Shift' and you basically become this blink combat mecha God. Passed that it's a thrill ride to end with rival duels and the such like.

I bought Zone of the Enders 1 earlier this year and was surprised at how mediocre it was. I remembered it being so much better back in the day.

Half Life 1 to Half Life 2

Killzone to Killzone 2 and Uncharted to Uncharted 2

Good one. Also Streets of Rage to Streets of Rage 2.

gotta be Uncharted to Uncharted 2. that sequel propel the game into stardom.

Yeah the first was OK for its day and to me was some sort of experiment as the 2nd Runner improved literally every aspect....apart from people's names lol. "DINGO!".

F-Zero to F-Zero X

Edit: Super Mario 3D Land to 3D World,

Everything has improved so much and the levels are much more creative. Also, I did not defeat Bowser with over 100 remaining lives like I did in 3D Land.

Say this on some places and the SMT fanboys will flame you... hard. Seeing as there are quite a few SMT fanboys who hate Persona 3 and 4 with a burning passion and like Persona 1 and 2. Also the fact that you fight a certain controversial figure in Persona 2 alone makes it a better game than Persona 3: cant control your party members edition.

Assassin's Creed 1-crap

Assassin's Creed 2-great

Zelda II-LTTP

AC1-AC2

FFXIV-FFXIV ARR

Red Dead Revolver-Red Dead Redemption

Hitman 1-Hitman 2

No way. Persona 2 may be grindy and a little repetitive, but the story is the best in the series. By far. God, i gotta replay Innocent Sin soon.

I forgot how engrossed i was in the plot, well writen and interesting, complemented by a cast of great characters.

Give the game a chance, bro.

Civilization (amazing) to Civilization II (absolutely legendary)

Final Fantasy 8 - Final Fantasy 9

Red Steel 1 (garbage)

Red Steel 2 (great)

I completely lost you after you said Assassins creed one was flawed and ACII was not when ACII had the same flaws in the system and amplified it on only fixed like 3 things. Especially how you go around the world. It is however, less repetitive.

Lol, presumption much?

Did you just say Arach likes Mario games?

Cant say any of the following originals are shitty, but their next iteration blows its predecessor outta the water...,

• Earth 2140 to Earth 2150
• Baldurs Gate to Baldurs Gate II
• Independence War to IW2
• Forza 2 to Forza 3
• Neverwinter Nights to NW2

God forfuckinbid that Baldurs Gate III lands in the right kickstarters hands I will die a happy man.

Pretty sure he was agreeing with arach and the mario part(as well as the whole last paragraph) was clearly directed at charizard.

I wouldint call it mediocre.It was just ok.ZOE2 was a big improvement.

It's certainly not a bad game (ZEO1), but I think it never does anything with its potential. It has a hell of an atmosphere, but the game is just way too shallow and repetitive.

And you should stop being so butthurt that other people have other opinions and like to discuss these opinions on forums. That's what forums are for you know, after 22k+ posts, you've wasted enough time here to know this.

Oh, the "stop being butthurt about my butthurt" defense. Never seen that before.

BTW, the overwhelming majority of my post counts come from OT, homie.

I'd have to go with

Majoras Mask > Oot

Half Life 2 > Half Life 1

MGS3 > MGS2

AC4 > AC3

Skyrim > Oblivion

Fallout NV > Fallout 3

FF11 or FF12 if you don't want to count MMO's > FF10

FF6 > FF5

Age of Empires, Assassin's Creed and Far Cry 2 were good games. I got bored of FC3 faster than I did 2. And I've replayed AC probably 5 times compared to only once of ACII.

Also: Age of Empires II HD + The Forgotten = GOAT

I think the only game set that could come close enough to qualify for such a drastic change in quality would be Zone of the Enders and The 2nd Runner. The first ZOE was very basic, dull and tedious in every regard. It was a chore to play and finish and a test of patience. The 2nd Runner was one of the PS2's most outstanding games and one of the best gaming experiences of the 6th console generation.

And if mid-series examples count: Devil May Cry 2 -> Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening

Batman AA is goodish (overly powerful detective mode almost ruins the game imo), Batman AC is amazing.

if I recall game was kinda short as well but it did set a nice foundation to build off from for the next.Still had a fun time with it that by the end I said "wait thats it no more?"Thankfully we got a sequel so I can get more of it.

Yeah, it was definitely short, and to be fair, MGS is short as well, but MGS games pack so much more in the way of dynamic scenarios into their short playtime than ZOE did.

I loved the hell out of the atmosphere and I enjoyed the story as well (despite the annoying lead character), so it wasn't a total bust.

I really need to play ZOE2.

Yes, you do. The HD collection makes finding the game much easier and cheaper now. Before it was announced, the average used copy was going for $50-60. It's one of the best games on the PS2.

Exactly the two answers I was gonna say

I heard the HD versions have some framerate jitters. Did they take care of that or was it never true to begin with?

I cant recall the leads personality in 1 that well.I do remember him showing up again in 2 and he was pretty cool there.I also thought his ship was pretty badass.I got the ZOE collection and I intend to give both another playthrough.I just got a huge freaking backlog.

I don't know about incredible sequels

But Uncharted 1 is a poor shooter. Uncharted 2 was tons of fun

God of War 1 sucks. God of War 2? actually the only game in the series I enjoy

Resistance 1-2? the word generic doesn't do it justice. Resistance 3? Sure not great, but way more fun than a Resistance game before that ever was.

Edit: Wait timeout. Fallout 3 sucked, but New Vegas? is legit excellent. Would actually fit the title.

Fallout 3 --- New Vegas - Same engine, same basic gameplay, vastly superior game. Better writing, quests, systems, storyline, everything. Obsidian outdid Bethesda in every single area.

The Suffering --- Ties that Bind - the first Suffering was a decent horror themed shooter/beat 'em up. The second was thematically disturbing, solidly written, and featured much better combat scenarios and a more interesting plot-line.

Ninja Gaiden --- Ninja Gaiden 2 - No doubt many will disagree with me on this. Ninja Gaiden retained too many elements of the traditional action adventure game. NG2 was stripped-down, almost entirely pure action. It is incomparably more intense, and has better replay value.

Demon's Souls --- Dark Souls - on account of world design, basically. Demon's Souls is a good game but doesn't feel as complete, as of one piece, as Dark Souls.

Metroid Prime --- Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - the second Metroid Prime is pretty underrated. The first receives credit for its originality, but the second is deeper, more intricate, better designed, better atmosphere, art, everything.

I personally would ranked prime 2 as my least favorite prime game.I didint like the dark world much. Also MP1 knew when to throw you a bone. After a good amount of time MP1 would notice hey this person is lost well give them a hint.MP2 didint really do that. I know some people like that but I tend to get annoyed when a game leaves you lost with zero hints for a very very very long time.Also after playing demon souls and dark souls I would pick demon any day of the week.I also would love another game like the suffering. I really enjoyed both those games.

Hitman to Hitman 2 comes to mind.

Kill zone 1 -2 big upgrade, dark souls is A spiritual successor not a sequel to demons souls

@charizard1605: if we're gonna say ac1-2 we should also say ac3-4 as the leap in quality and entertainment was pretty much the same across those games.

Gta4 - 5 was a massive leap in quality.

Far Cry was an excellent pick.

Oh and spirit tracks - ALBW.

Assassin's Creed 2 outshines the first one in just about every way, if not every way.

And stop saying Majora's Mask is better than Ocarina of Time. That is a wrong opinion.

Gear of War 2 - Gears of War 3

Tony Hawk Pro Skater - THPS 2

Call of Duty 3 - Call of Duty 4 (this may not be completely fair since there are different developers involved)

SSX Tricky - SSX 3

Gta 4 to gta 5. I couldn't stand gta 4 while gta 5 is my game of the gen.

Totally agree. I always said, this game was among my guilty pleasures along with the Kane and Lynch games. They are rough, flawed. But I had so much fun, nonetheless. Would love someone to buy the IP and get a remake without Unreal, and continue it. My newest guilty pleasure has been Batman Arkham Origins Blackgate. Its got me.