Serious Question: Why are Nintendo ruining Zelda like this?

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#1 Edited by Gue1 (9416 posts) -

To me the Zelda formula was already stale but they just keep sinking it deeper and deeper. First a full blown rehash on handhelds, then an unnecessary "remake" and now a Dynasty Warriors rip-off... Lol. No wonder the Wii U is doing so bad.

Since the video doesn't want to appear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0evPVdiH7k&feature=youtu.be

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Some Google translated comments from 2CH:

“What…”

“I thought this was just some weak joke but they actually did it!”

“Nintendo must really be struggling to be releasing a Dynasty Warriors title, the lowest level of action game.”

“This is the worst combination possible.”

“First Mario dies, now Zelda. Nintendo won’t last long if they keep sacrificing their top titles.”

“The best Nintendo’s elite graduates could come out with is this?”

“This title just exemplifies Nintendo’s decline.”

“Won’t the foreigners love this one!”

“Actually I quite want to play this one.”

“I’m sick of these damn lawnmower games.”

“Please stop this.”

“Have they really fallen this far?”

“What next, Pikmin Musou?”

“Pokemon Musou might work…”

#2 Posted by charizard1605 (55524 posts) -

It's a non canonical spin off. It ruins the main series as much as Link's Crossbow Training did (i.e. it doesn't)

#3 Edited by foxhound_fox (87369 posts) -

Lol. First people want Nintendo to let third parties use their IP, now they are complaining that Nintendo is "ruining" the IP by doing just what they wanted.

Fucking hypocrites.

#4 Edited by PhazonBlazer (11504 posts) -

I think we all know Nintendo ruined Zelda with A Link Between Worlds.

#5 Edited by mems_1224 (46241 posts) -

#6 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38208 posts) -
#7 Edited by turtlethetaffer (16609 posts) -

Honestly, I think the game has potential. And, hey, it's Zelda in a very different form than what we're all used to. At the very least, it'll be an interesting experiment to see if it can come close to the quality of the series (albeit in a different way).

Just do away with the Skyward Sword enemy designs. I'd like more or a Majora's Mask or Twilight Princess approach, or, hell, even wind waker. I jsut didn't feel the Bokoblins or whatever the hell they're called from SS were really that good. I don't mind cartoony, but they were almost too cartoony if that makes sense.

#8 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -
#9 Edited by bobbetybob (19125 posts) -

“First Mario dies, now Zelda. Nintendo won’t last long if they keep sacrificing their top titles.”

Welp I better take these guys seriously, they clearly know what they're talking about!!

Also Zelda just won GOTY so yeah...boo hoo. A silly spin off isn't going to kill it and the fact they're currently calling it "Hyrule Warriors" shows they're smart enough to not just stick "The Legend of Zelda" onto anything and everything.

#10 Posted by charizard1605 (55524 posts) -
#11 Posted by freedom01 (596 posts) -

its a spin-off, its not the Zelda that Nintendo mentioned before. Its a separate title, no info for the Zelda Wii U has been announced yet

#12 Posted by turtlethetaffer (16609 posts) -

@bobbetybob: I'd like to see more playable characters in HR, I think it'd be cool, especially if they dive into series history. Imagine playing as, say, Zant, or Phantom Ganon. It'd be great.

And yeah people who keep saying that Mario and Zelda are dead are fucking morons. Mario just released the most acclaimed game in the series since Galaxy 2, and, as you said, zelda just won GOTY. If I'm not mistaken, thsoe are both signs that the series are as strong or stronger than they've ever been.

#13 Posted by Zen_Light (1231 posts) -

System Wars is the opposite to reality.

#14 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26118 posts) -

Because a spinoff is enough to ruin a franchise, right?

#15 Posted by freedomfreak (38720 posts) -

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

#16 Edited by mems_1224 (46241 posts) -

“First Mario dies, now Zelda. Nintendo won’t last long if they keep sacrificing their top titles.”

Welp I better take these guys seriously, they clearly know what they're talking about!!

Also Zelda just won GOTY so yeah...boo hoo. A silly spin off isn't going to kill it and the fact they're currently calling it "Hyrule Warriors" shows they're smart enough to not just stick "The Legend of Zelda" onto anything and everything.

I find it funny how people constantly complain that Zelda is a rehash and never does anything new and when they try to do something new with the series there is non stop bitching.

#17 Posted by farrell2k (5712 posts) -

I the Zelda CDI games didn't kill the franchise, I doubt something like this will.

#18 Posted by ImDaMan4Realz (94 posts) -

Another rehash I see

#19 Posted by Joedgabe (5092 posts) -

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

#20 Posted by freedomfreak (38720 posts) -
@Joedgabe said:

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

I never continued playing Awakening, but it makes much more sense than doing a Hyrule Warriors.

Not saying any of them should be made at all, hence the "if anything".

#21 Posted by The4thVIII (372 posts) -

I will say that the difference between other Zelda Spin-offs and this one is it is being massively advertised to push wii u sales and get people excited for more zelda, so more people will see this and it could backfire the, unike other Zelda spin-offs which were just release with little to no big advertising.

#22 Posted by PhazonBlazer (11504 posts) -

@Joedgabe said:

@freedomfreak said:

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

You must have played normal mode, because Hard is hard as shit.

#23 Posted by bobbetybob (19125 posts) -

@bobbetybob said:

“First Mario dies, now Zelda. Nintendo won’t last long if they keep sacrificing their top titles.”

Welp I better take these guys seriously, they clearly know what they're talking about!!

Also Zelda just won GOTY so yeah...boo hoo. A silly spin off isn't going to kill it and the fact they're currently calling it "Hyrule Warriors" shows they're smart enough to not just stick "The Legend of Zelda" onto anything and everything.

I find it funny how people constantly complain that Zelda is a rehash and never does anything new and when they try to do something new with the series there is non stop bitching.

It's typical of gamers really, someone is always going to be moaning whatever companies do.

#24 Posted by Zen_Light (1231 posts) -

@Joedgabe said:

@freedomfreak said:

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

lol that's some weak ass trollin'.

#25 Posted by lamprey263 (22787 posts) -

usually with these kinds of games there's like countless different characters to pick from, I imagine a game like this would get boring pretty quick if you just play as Link

#26 Edited by Pikminmaniac (8702 posts) -

Man that overwhelmingly positive response to the most recent Zelda game saying it's the best the series has been in years kind of puts a wrench in your statement.

#27 Edited by Joedgabe (5092 posts) -

@Joedgabe said:

@freedomfreak said:

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

lol that's some weak ass trollin'.

It's not trolling, Fire Emblem was a Game based on Political warfare and gave you limited supplies and no grinding and you couldn't team up with your team mates to become OP as hell.

#28 Edited by Joedgabe (5092 posts) -

@PhazonBlazer said:

@Joedgabe said:

@freedomfreak said:

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

You must have played normal mode, because Hard is hard as shit.

Play Radiant Dawn in hard and realize Fire Emblem was supposed to be strategy not a turn based beat them up RPG(That's what awakening feels like). Hard is probably too hard though, play it in normal. It'll still be a huge skill cap difference.

#29 Edited by bbkkristian (14914 posts) -

If it were a different poster, I would actually give a s*** about the topic at hand.

#30 Posted by DocSanchez (1512 posts) -

@foxhound_fox: No one has been clamouring for Nintendo to use their licenses. You've made that up.

#31 Posted by Zen_Light (1231 posts) -

@Joedgabe said:

@Zen_Light said:

@Joedgabe said:

@freedomfreak said:

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

lol that's some weak ass trollin'.

It's not trolling, Fire Emblem was a Game based on Political warfare and gave you limited supplies and no grinding and you couldn't team up with your team mates to become OP as hell.

You call it "kiddy" with an "anime" plot, but I remember you having Rosario + Vampire siggy. Also, that's some stupid reasoning for berating a game.

#32 Edited by DocSanchez (1512 posts) -

@bbkkristian: If you were a different poster I'm sure the OP would care.

#33 Posted by R4gn4r0k (16252 posts) -

It's a non canonical spin off. It ruins the main series as much as Link's Crossbow Training did (i.e. it doesn't)

Aaaaaand thread is over. 1 reply ... that didn't take long.

#34 Posted by DocSanchez (1512 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k: Hardly. I would argue that the more spin offs you make the more watered down the series becomes, especially if they aren't very good.

You can get away with one, but each time you do it, the effect worsens.

#35 Posted by StrongDeadlift (5140 posts) -

They really are doing wonders with the Gamecube these days.

#36 Edited by nintendoboy16 (26118 posts) -

@DocSanchez said:

@foxhound_fox: No one has been clamouring for Nintendo to use their licenses. You've made that up.

He didn't. I recall several people calling for Nintendo to let Platinum develop a Star Fox until Kamiya backed out of the idea (which is what he started when he admitted he wanted to make a damn game in the absent series sometime before).

#37 Edited by babycakin (1400 posts) -

@Joedgabe said:

@freedomfreak said:

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

and that actually saved the franchise so keep em coming

#38 Posted by DocSanchez (1512 posts) -

@nintendoboy16: Several people? Are we talking about in one conversation, ages ago, all of them Nintendo fans, or repeatedly and enough to warrant bringing up in a thread like this? Be honest.

#39 Edited by Joedgabe (5092 posts) -

@Joedgabe said:

@Zen_Light said:

@Joedgabe said:

@freedomfreak said:

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

lol that's some weak ass trollin'.

It's not trolling, Fire Emblem was a Game based on Political warfare and gave you limited supplies and no grinding and you couldn't team up with your team mates to become OP as hell.

You call it "kiddy" with an "anime" plot, but I remember you having Rosario + Vampire siggy. Also, that's some stupid reasoning for berating a game.

wth? i never had that sig, you have me confused for some other member. + I never seen that anime. And it does have it, it also has a lot of things that make no sense in the game but everyone has their own tastes.

#40 Edited by R4gn4r0k (16252 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k: Hardly. I would argue that the more spin offs you make the more watered down the series becomes, especially if they aren't very good.

You can get away with one, but each time you do it, the effect worsens.

It is over. Nintendo isn't ruining this series. People argue that Nintendo is ruining Mario and Zelda and such because they milk those games so much.

What I see is that Nintendo released a Zelda and Mario game this year that were top quality and among the best of the series.

Yeah, sure, this Zelda game isn't looking very good to many people. But it's a niche game for a niche group of people, I don't see the problem with it not looking good to many people. Not all games should appeal to everyone, not every spin off should appeal to the main fanbase (MGS - MGR Revengeance for example)

#41 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26118 posts) -

@nintendoboy16: Several people? Are we talking about in one conversation, ages ago, all of them Nintendo fans, or repeatedly and enough to warrant bringing up in a thread like this? Be honest.

There were threads about it years ago and even Kamiya's followers on Twitter bugged him about it up until this point.

#42 Posted by Joedgabe (5092 posts) -

@Joedgabe said:

@freedomfreak said:

Me and funsohng were talking about how stupid this is. If anything, they should've gone with Fire Emblem.

Noooooooooooooo ): they already did enough to fire emblem this year with that kiddie difficulty game they released with that genetic power of friendship anime plot. T___T

and that actually saved the franchise so keep em coming

Sadly for me yea, this is how fire emblem is going to be like from now on most likely. One of my favorite franchises and I won't enjoy it no more if this is how it's going to be, Sucks for me awesome sauce for those that do i suppose.

#43 Edited by R4gn4r0k (16252 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

No wonder the Wii U is doing so bad..

Is officially the most overused phrase of 2013 by people that don't know what they are talking about.

#44 Posted by DocSanchez (1512 posts) -

@nintendoboy16: That's not good enough for me. Vague "threads years ago" and someone who follows someone else possibly asking him about it...it doesnt explain why it would be at all relevant in this case. Because it isn't.

#45 Posted by El_Zo1212o (6005 posts) -

@freedomfreak: "...they should've gone with Fire Emblem."

I second the FUCK out of this statement. And I also don't care that that isn't exactly what you said. I substitute your reality for my own.

#46 Edited by PrincessGomez92 (3364 posts) -

How's this ruining Zelda?

I can't wait to see more of Hyrule Warriors.

#47 Posted by Devil-Itachi (4364 posts) -

It's not ruining Zelda, how does a Warriors game ruin Zelda? and how is it a rip off of dynasty warriors when it is part of that series? Also from Nintendo's stand point it isn't a bad idea because those games sell in japan and Nintendo mostly cares about that market.

#48 Posted by trugs26 (5222 posts) -

I agree that it looks crap.

But I don't think it's ruining the brand. If it's not named as part of the main series ("The Legend of Zelda: ...") I think it will be fine. If it bombs, then nobody will care and we'll get our Wii U Zelda sometime later.

In general I think it's a good thing to experiment with things like this anyway.

I wouldn't call it a Warriors rip-off either, because it's supposed to be like that. It's a Warriors x Zelda game. It's not disguising itself as something else.

#49 Posted by whiskeystrike (12068 posts) -
#50 Posted by RVCA823 (2838 posts) -

Because the Zelda series is commercially and critically acclaimed with a consumer base willing to buy anything adorned with the Zelda logo. Nintendo, a business, recognizes Zelda's popularity and has decided to create a spinoff title which will probably cost little to develop and ultimately generate profits because that's what a business cares about. If this title somehow offends or disgusts you, then you, the consumer, can choose not to buy it.