Seems Reggie was right about the Xbox One and PS4.

Both consoles, if you look at all the sales data, sold great numbers, however, the current sales pace is at 45%, that is lower than the 32% drop the Wii u has after its intial sales.

Reggie was right, the new systems hit that sales wall and the Wii U will probably be the leader for a very long time. it has better games and the controller can act as a virtual GPU to transfer memory to the Wii u creating graphics like project X at 60fps 1080p, something only Forza has accomplished (constantly) so far this new gen.

People laughed when I posted that thread with reggie but nw it seems true. Combine that with short supply for demand and it will get worse.

At best Wii u will be 8 million next year with PS4 and Xbox One around 5 million maybe.

I disagree.

Are you using vgchartz.com TC to determne this.

LOLVChartz.

They've already sold more together in little under two months than the Wii U has in a year. I guess if you pad both of them out separately onto a timeline, that's something under four months. Not to mention the Wii U came out much earlier, and didn't have two other consoles competing with it for the public's attention as a new console.

Oh, and yeah, it's been out way longer, it has more games. If anything, the gap between the PS4 and XB1 will close in the coming months, instead of widening.

TC, x1 AND ps4 will be dozens of millions in front of WiiU, so calm your tits and be prepared for colossal WiiiiiiiiiiU failure which is already happening live

I am using Reggies official numbers and official records from Sony and MS (with NPD in the middle)

Now Rabbit, I always told you to stop trying to crap that bag of trix.

After Reggie Congratulated Sony and MS on their new consoles and then told them they're going to need games, he's lost all credibility and rights to be taken seriously.

Really? Super Mario 3D World go outsold by Knack... They have almost overtaken the lifetime sales for Wii U in a month. Wii U is lucky if it gets over million at the end of the fiscal year if Smash Bros and Mario Kart are a success. Those are the only shining lights Wii U has going for it. Donkey Kong will be good aswell, but it's not a system seller

*in UK

True, but still Knack is a new IP. Mario is the biggest character in the industry. This doesn't exactly bode well. The game looks great, but doesn't have the sales

The PS4 is probably going to surpass Wii U by early to mid 2014. Game over Nintendont

NPD doesn't take Europe into account you know...

I know the sheep want the wii u to do well but it don't look good. The ps4 has more pre-orders at gamestop than the wii u has sales.

Why would it be game over for Nintendo?

Wii badly outsold both consoles last gen and it still wasn't game over for Sony and M$ :|

I wouldn't be surprised if sales drop pretty drastically in the near future.

That's just the gaming culture of today. Things get pre-ordered in higher and higher numbers, but lifetime sales seem to get lower and lower.

What? Overall sales records are constantly being broken

Dude they are on pace to outsell the Wii U. They are both selling like crazy while not being released worldwide yet while the wii u is barely selling. The ps4 can't Meet demand at the moment. I own a wii u and it is great but I'm not in denial when it comes to sales.

Drawing conclusions based on percentage statistics after consoles launched with record breaking amounts of units is... I'll let you fill in the blank.

Does anyone know how many consoles have been sold? because if we don't have any official numbers, then this is pointless.

hehe Do be mad that by march they will both sold more then wii u

i bet it's at least 3 million each. easily at6 least sony if they have enough systems made. Ms/sonny released week later or so saying they sold 2m and it's been nearly month now

@MonsieurX: Umm the Wii was a fad. When I say "game over", Nintendont won't catch Sony or MilkingSoft. Of course Nintendont will be around it still makes profit, but the Wii U will not get lucky this time around. People expect powerful hardware, online multiplayer, services and once again key things they are lacking on heavily on. It's 2013 and the consumers expect better things. Not to mention Nintendont has like in the past virtually no third-party support.

XBox One definitely hit a sales wall, PS4 continues to sell out almost instantly. So no, Reggie was not right about the PS4. As far as 5 million units, PS4 will sell that many as soon as they produce 5 million consoles. Which will probably be around February. XBox One will likely sell 5 million around the time Titanfall comes out.

Just stop flipfloping. dude. And learn how to make a good thread.

I'd be hesitant to use the Knack example. It's a launch game on a system that has little to offer on day 1. Effectively you're saying PS4 sales vs Mario 3D World. Even if a quarter of PS4 owners bought Knack, it'd still outsell Mario.

So? Does that mean that even less than a quarter of Wii U owner actually bought SM3DW?

My point is that on launch, people want something to buy. If there isn't much on offer on launch day, there'll be certain games that will sell. For example, if Knack released say next year, it'd probably do a lot worse than selling on launch day due to what else is on offer. Another example is Street Fighter 4 on 3DS becoming a million seller. Why did this happen? Because it was the only recognizable and decent looking game on launch day. I highly doubt this game would've sold that much if it released later on, even with the larger install base.

Bottom line is that Mario did not sell on launch day - so it did not get the launch hysteria to push sales. Knack did.

I'm not saying the Mario sales are amazing or anything, I'm just saying that the Knack example is a bad example.

If sony had 5 million units by now it would have outsell the wii U silly,there are no consoles to sell at least no PS4,as soon as they hit retailers they are gone,the PS4 is probably close to 3 million now if not over it already and has little over a month on the market.

The comment about the graphics is a stupid as it can be,the Wii U is weak sauce even the damn PS3 did 1080p 60 FPS,and Forza is a Racing game is basically the only thing the xbox one can do at 1080p racing games and sports.

Stop making stupid threads.

wait what? lol ummmm a console does need games lol.

Bigger install base mate. You can't justfify it by "it's the only game there for that console" argument. Wii U had millions of Wii U's out before this system was announced. Giving it the same release date as PS4 didn't make it any favors and shows how ignorant Nintendo is. The last Mario games sold well, so this one should have done that aswell. Even now there are more Wii U's out there, and they aren't buying the games like SM3W.

No. Just no.
If Sony and Microsoft could get enough consoles out by the end of the year they would pass Nintendo up. Seems you live in the same world Nintendo does TC. A world of delusion and denial.

This would make sense if Ps4 were sitting on shelves

It's the games that matter and what will ultimately sell the consoles. Even if Sony or MS have a first party game drought they will still get good games coming in each month because they have the third parties full support. With games like Witcher, Final Fantasy, Fallout, They will have a steady flow of massive selling games coming in.

Since the wii u has very little support from third party, Nintendo have to pump out all the games for the Wii u and they can only do so much. Which means long release dates, game droughts.

ps4s are more difficult to come by so the drop off should be based on that.

the bones is a different topic. even though it has the better exclusives, its not selling out in my district. you can find one in a lot of stores and my work has about 20 which has been there all week. maybe its the price tag, but a lot of gamers come in asking for ps4s instead of xb1s...i say 15 to 1

Note that Tomb Raider Definitive Edition for X1 is running at 1080p and includes AMD's software IP e.g. TressFX. http://www.vg247.com/2013/12/09/tomb-raider-definitive-edition-xbox-one-runs-at-native-1080p/

Improvements with Tomb Raider Definitive Edition from http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-12-18-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-is-more-than-a-facelift-dev-insists

"But even for existing hardcore fans, we are confident in the offering we have as an excellent enhanced experience above and beyond what we'd previously provided. We wouldn't bring it to you all if we felt otherwise. You are the reasons we do what we do."

Other work done to the game includes up-rezzed geometry and textures, but it's clear Lara has enjoyed the most attention. Special materials were added that dynamically change when she wades through mud, gets blood on her, and when it rains or she is wet. The TressFX tech was "custom written and optimised for Lara this first-time out for us on next-gen as we hadn't ever done it before on consoles", Amos explained.

"The amount of extra work - three studios and a full year of development - have pushed the boundaries beyond just TressFX and upgraded textures.

"We now have a new particle system, new lighting work and enhanced shadow-casters, tons of more visual storytelling elements (more debris, more details on walls, more density in the environment for vegetation), upgraded characters (Lara and main story NPCs), and we've also put all of the DLC materials into this version for PS4/Xbox One.

Improvements with AMD's TressFX from http://www.gamefront.com/amd-tressfx-2-is-coming-soon/

TressFX is AMD’s realistic hair rendering technology which renders and simulates the physics of thousands of individual strands of hair. It was first used in Crystal Dynamic’s Tomb Raider, released earlier this year. Now AMD is introducing TressFX 2.0, a newer version of TressFX with better performance and easier integration into games. Additionally research is now being done to use TressFX for other things besides hair, like grass and fur. In this talk we will cover how TressFX rendering and physics works, the improvements made in TressFX 2.0, and the research which will be used in future products.

Stupid. PS3 sold 10 million in it's first full 12 months without a killer app. PS4 will sell way more. It already has killer apps. It will continue to get them next year as well

PS4 and XB1 have been out just a little over a month, the wiiu has been out over a year. In that like 6 week time period ps4 and XB1 have individually sold over half of what the wiiu has in its entire life. And we haven't even gotten holiday sales estimations yet for those 2 systems that have been selling out consistently while you can still find wiiu "limited" edition consoles everywhere.

The TC is trolling....anyways, if the ps4 and x1 is a fad then what is the wii ewww? DOA?

With major games , exclusives or not for both consoles around the corner ? And you dare to compare Wii U with PS4/X1 ? You and Reggie should go to a clinic ! :P

So you wanna debate statistics without even posting a graph? You're implying that ps4/X1 are at 45% of it's total monthly sales now, as compared to Wii U's 68% after the same period of time. You do realize that the 45% could amount to say....500,000 units, while the Wii U's 68% could be maybe 150,000 units because it sold poorly from the start? If this is the case, the Wii U will be overtaken in no time, and have no chance whatsoever in maintaining a lead.

The ps4 and X1, having sold millions in the first month due to hype and high anticipation, will naturally also see a more severe drop over time. A severe drop doesn't automatically mean that the subsequent sales is bad in absolute magnitude.

You're saying that the biggest console launch in history is refuted by a consoles install base which is very lakcluster? That's a ridiculous rebuttal.

Also, I don't even understand why you would even try to contest my point. There has to be an explanation on why the biggest mascot in gaming was outsold. It's not magic. There must be an explanation, and I think I provided the most probable.

So you just insulted the PS4 by saying it is struggling to achieve a constant 60fps at 1080p when the PS3 did not.

You also know that Forza is not the only 1080p 60fps game on X1.

you troll so badly for no reasons it's sad. Not to mention this is based off Reggies statement.

Only a moron will think that the power require to run a 1080p game at 60 FPS on a last gen console,is even close to the power require to do that now.

Every games can run at 1080p 60FPS but with what visuals is the real question,nintendo having a 1080p game that runs at 60FPS mean nothing the game look like a PS3 game.

Yeah and the same thing with Forza is a non demanding game with every effect faked,and cartboard people as spectators.

Actually you are the sad troll and Reggie is as irrelevant as Rare is now,the Wii U will be surpass by probably march next year.

Reggie forgot, Nintendo had 1 year head start, which they pretty much wasted...Xbone & PS4 just came out when?...give them both a year..then see if Reggie is correct. :p

Nice link in the OP. Very informative.