Rise of the Tomb Raider is (timed) Xbox Exclusive

Nope. If that were the case, you better believe they'd say so. After all, you don't pay to keep gamers from playing a game to keep it a secret.

MS is playing this up to the extent that they can. No "XB1 exclusive", no "Only on XBox", no "Console exclusive". It'll be on everything shortly after the new year.

Tomb Raider is probably my favorite IP too, but I'm not buying a Xflop to play it. Crystal Dynamics and Square Enix just took a shit on the majority of their fanbase.

It's okay, Playstation is still getting Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris :-P.

They should announce if a game is 100% exclusive by saying the game will never go to any other platform for at least 100 years and after that maybe. ;)

This is huge. Tomb Raider and Lara Croft helped the Playstation brand get started. So this exclusivity deal is a huge blow for Sony and their fans. It's like they got bitch slapped and kicked in the nuts by Lara Croft herself.

What?

With games like Uncharted and Infamous they were always exclusive to PlayStation. Buying exclusivity for an established franchise is a big middle finger to most of your target audience.

When the playstation was in its prime (PS2 era) Sony was buying up exclusives like crazy. They didn't have many (if any) 1st party studios really. All their big name games game form 3rd parties. games like MGS, FF, DMC, TR, GTA, etc were all 3rd party exclusives, and why they aren't exclusives anymore. Now the big 2 (Sony and MS) have very little 1st party exclusives that people care a lot about. Sony had ND and GT, MS has halo, gears and Forza. The rest of the exclusive franchises aren't really big hitters. Especially not when you think of the PS2/xbox era where PS2 had MGS, DMC, FF, GTA etc all in their prime.

You are right. I LOVE the Tomb Raider franchise and I will pass on this.

Ugh, fucking Microsoft and their cancerous pot of gold.

Lmao anyone who thinks this is staying exclusive is a fool. It may be 12 months later before it comes to PS4 but it will come to PS4/PC.

That was unexpected although the meltdown has been funny to watch. I should have an Xbox One by then anyway so I couldn't care less if it's exclusive or not. Also, I hope this Tomb Raider game will actually have proper Tomb raiding in it.

Sony had a strong 1st party and had many 1st party studios in the PS2 generation. What you stated was literally incorrect. It's a revisionist attempt to equate Sony's 1st Party Playstation strategy to the Xbox 1st Party/Buying Timed deals strategy. It's very apologetic as well. Sorry you weren't paying attention, but they released many 1st party games in the PS2 generation. I was here in SW during the Gamecube, Xbox, PS2 era. You were not here with this account. I'll just use one of my old posts to show a list (not even complete) of 1st party games from Sony in the PS2/PS1 era.

You are completely wrong when you said, "They didn't have many (if any) 1st party studios really." There is no truth to that as I'll prove with a tiny 1st Party Sony list in a second.

The PS1 and especially the PS2 had an amazing 1st party and I think it's just indicative of age or where you were in your gaming life that would lead you to believe that their 1st party was non-existent until the PS3. Basically, I just don't think you were paying much attention to their 1st party in those eras. Here's an example of some high quality games from their 1st party (only PS2/PS1 era games):

1. Twisted Metal 1/2,
2. Gran Turismo 1-4,
3. Twisted Metal: Black,
4. Primal
5. Mark of the Kri,
6. Sly Cooper 1-3 series,
7. Jak & Daxter 1-3
8. Jak X,
9. Parappa 1/2,
10. Rogue Galaxy,
11. Intelligent Cube,
12. Wild Arms 1-5,
13. Ratchet and Clank (4 games on PS2),
14. Crash Bandicoot (PS1 era),
15. Spyro the Dragon (PS1 era),
16. Legend of Legaia 1/2,
17. Dark Cloud 1-2,
18. Champions of Norrath 1/2,
19. Arc the Lad series,
20. Hot Shots Golf Series,
21. MediEvil series,
22. ICO,
23. Shadow of the Colossus,
24. Drakan: The Ancients' Gates,
25. Amplitude,
26. Frequency,
27. ATV Offroad Fury Series,
28. Jet Moto Series,
29. SOCOM PS2 series,
30. Ghost Hunter,
31. Destruction Derby Series,
32. Syphon Filter series,
33. War of the MONSTERS!,
34. God of War 1/2,
35. Rise of the Kasai,
36. Tourist Trophy,
37. Genji: Dawn of the Samurai
38. Siren 1/2,
39. Mr. Mosquito,
40. Formula 1,
41. MLB The Show,
42. Legend of Dragoon,
43. Singstar,
44. and many more.
45. I skipped over games I didn't care for like Fantavision, Okage, or The Getaway but they exist too.

Sony's 1st party was VERY "existent", in fact, it was pretty awesome and only improved over the years. I loved Dark Cloud 2 and spent hours upon hours with Champions of Norrath 1/2 both online and locally with friends. Jak & Daxter was great. Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank, Rogue Galaxy, Twisted Metal: Black, Legend of Dragoon, War of the Monsters, Singstar, God of War 1/2...some great Sony 1st Party games and all existed before the PS3. I would also argue for Gran Turismo 1-4, but I'm not into racing, although I can't deny the series was a critical and consumer darling when it came out in the PS1 era.

I would certainly argue that that they improved over the years, but the PS2 was where I noticed as a gamer in that era how strong and relevant their 1st party was. I wasn't sure if the PS1 was a fluke, but the PS2 solidified Sony as a contender in the 1st party space...and I was a Xbox and Gamecube gamer which really spoke volumes to me how good some of those PS2 1st party games were.

Don't feel like digging myself, is new TR being built ground up for xb1 with no previous gen considerations? That would be glorious and give the team room to flex their tech talent with a lot less compromise.

Uncharted 4 will have the better narrative and story. As far as the gameplay goes flip that coin. Tomb Raider 2013 was insanely fun. As much as I love Tomb Raider this will not get me to buy an X1. Maybe I'll rent the shittier version for my 360.

I won't. I'm defiintely getting a couple of this when it comes out and Uncharted 4. LOL!!

Nope, this new TR is a cross gen 360/Xbone game. Disappointing I know. I wish it were next gen only. CD are most likely using the engine from the last game.

The most obvious answer Xbone's install base isn't enough to warrant the game exclusive to Xbone, so it's also coming to 360, exclusive for the Holiday 2015 window.

Oh no... not Tomb Raider... how will I cope? All I have left is this little thing called Uncharted...

I'm reading there will be 360 version. Not sure though.

@Shielder7 said:

The level of idiocy from gamers keeps surpassing my expectations each year.

@SolidTy: Thx for reply. Shame it's crossgen, i will still buy xb1 version day 1. At the very least they will have full mastery of the engine and should produce something that will amaze.

Hah Square Enix will be more doomed than Crytek with Titanfall. Wonder how much MS paid SE^^

Um what?

It will be, 6 months later. lol

Whens the last time MS kept a big third party game exclusive to their console?

Yes, I'm not a TR fan, but I agree it's a shame the game is cross generation using all those last generation assets. I have an Xbone, but I won't be buying this, unless it really gets amazing reviews, but then I'll wait for that magical $20 pricepoint like the last TR game.

I am looking forward to new gen only titles like Batman AK, so see what these machines can really do.

Yes, I linked it in other threads, but TR is confirmed at Xbox.com as a 360/Xbone cross gen game from Crystal Dynamics.

It's also confirmed exclusive for Holiday 2015. No word on what 2016 holds for 3rd Party SE's plans.

@deadline-zero0 said:

@Shielder7 said:

The level of idioticy from gamers keeps surpassing my expectations each year.

Idioticy, dude? Seriously? What are they, idioticons?

Oh, the irony...

I'm not effected as I own all the relevant platforms (PC, Xbox and Playstation ) so I'm not bothered by this being an "exclusive", and for the record it is totally an "exclusive". It will end up on PC (the definitive version) and it'll probably end up on PS4 as Tomb Raider Sigma or whatever.

Eh hah i ment Ryse, they was not happy with the sales there

@deadline-zero0 said:

@Shielder7 said:

The level of idiocy from gamers keeps surpassing my expectations each year.

You got that shit right. It is beyond toxic, even on the likes of NeoGAF. Actually, even good old System Wars is heaven compared to that place as of late.

@deadline-zero0 said:

@Shielder7 said:

The level of idiocy from gamers keeps surpassing my expectations each year.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.

Are you saying it's silly for ppl to be upset that another 3rd party game has all of a sudden without warning become exclusvie to a shit console?

didn't this happen last gen with the last tomb raider game? I remember lems were jumping for joy because tomb raider was supposedly an exclusive, few months later it came to the ps3. Plus tomb raider isnt a game that would make me buy any console. im surprised people still play tomb raider.

I'm portuguese. Idiocy translate to "idiotice" in my language, so it's a common mistake i make, along with other grammatical erros, like double letters in the english language. Also, abit spanish gets in the way too. 3 languages gets in the way. Ense, my edit

Best part is, less than 6 months from now, most people won't give a shit.

The fact that someone went to the trouble of making an entire poster marking the "death" of TB over this announcement doesn't strike you as stupid, entitled, and overly "whinny".

If you're unhappy about it like me, fine. I got upset and nerd raged, but i calmed down and realized out stupid i was being. Making this whole poster over this? Really.

And gamers wonder why the general public doens't look at us in a more respectfull and adult manner.

well off the top of my head

sly cooper, jak and daxter, spyro, franchises were all 3rd party. ND didn't become 1st party until the PS3 era. The rest were by insomniac which is still 3rd party. I'm sure if i actually looked up the studios, at least a few more are 3rd parties. and since the PS2 had way more exclusives then that, it shows it was a very small %. The big franchises from that era weren't exclusives (outside god of war and GT) MGS, FF, GTA, DMC were the franchises that were the huge draws on the PS2

and yes i wasn't here back then, But the fact you try to relate it to MS in anyway is your mind not mine. I'm a multiplatform gamer. always have been always will. I have a PC, PS4, and X1 and will probably wind up getting a wii u as well. I have 2 kids and was thinking about getting them one for xmas. Last gen had a PS3, 360 and wii, before that a PS2, xbox and gamecube. Before that a dreamcast, PS1 and N64 and i can keep going lol.

Ouch.

So many cow meltdowns

Personally, I don't care about the franchise anymore. Even so, this is a big mistake by them to put it on a system with a much smaller user base while shunning the other platforms. I don't think SE got paid enough by Microsoft and they'll come to regret that decision or weasel out of it somehow.

Awesome pick to compete with Uncharted MS.

Crystal Dynamics are top 30 best developer of all the gaming industry.

Hmmm...perhaps you are trolling as you like to waste other users time, but I know for sure you are very misinformed. Let me proceed with some gaming education.

You need to do some research. I gave you answers and instead of researching them, you are making things up. That's really strange behavior. Those games were all 1st Party titles. Some were developed by second party devs, some by 1st party devs. Regarding Systems I buy, I buy all the main systems at launch for decades now. I don't buy a Wii/360/PS3 later in the gen. I bought the original Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox at those launches. Same for N64, Saturn, and PS1. Other people tend to buy one machine at launch, heavily support that machine, and later pick up an additional machine, like you are doing with the Wii U and many people did with PS2, Xbox, PS3, etc. Buy the machine later, well after launch. In any event, that's off subject.

One thing is certain, you don't know much about PS2 era Sony 1st Party games...it may be related to the fact you didn't buy PS2 1st party games as perhaps you didn't buy a PS2 at launch in Oct 2000.

Sly Cooper, Jak and Daxter, and the first three Spyro games are under the Sony 1st Party banner. They were not 3rd Party and as such you have not seen those particular games ported to competitive consoles. Later sequels to Spyro yes, but not those games. Forget PS1 generation as your comment was, and I quote, "When the playstation was in its prime (PS2 era) Sony was buying up exclusives like crazy. They didn't have many (if any) 1st party studios really."

That's a false statment. Sony had a lot of 1st party games during that generation. The PS2 1st Party was strong.

Sony owns the Sly Cooper, Jak and Daxter, and Ratchet and Clank IPs, just like M$ own the Halo IP and Nintendo owns Zelda IP. Bungie left, but the Halo IP stays behind with Xbox. Halo is Xbox. Sly cooper is PS. Jak is Playstation. Ratchet is Playstation. Sly Cooper is Playstation. Insomniac is free to make other games like Sunset Overdrive for Xbox, but Ratchet and Resistance stay behind.

Secondly, you really don't know what you are talking about when it comes to ND. Naughty Dog became 1st Party in the early, early PS2 generation back in the Jak and Daxter 1 time frame. Around the time, give or take a year, Xbox picked up Bungie. I have no idea why you posted that a second time.

My entire point was to point at 1st party games that you said Sony didn't create and you were incorrect.

Here's a post from from some time ago that might hopefully explain to you 1st Party, 2nd Party, and 3rd Party games and those companies creation of only 1st party games and 3rd Party games. There are no 2nd Party games, just 2nd Party developers.

I didn't say they were 1st party (as I've owned and played their games since PSOne and I've met Ted Price twice in my life), but since I'm here I'll go ahead and educate you a little bit because many young gamers get this point confused all the time.

No, Insomniac is not 1st party developer but this game will be a 1st party product paid for by Sony like many other 1st party Ratchet games. Sony owns the Ratchet IP and can hire whoever they want to create these games. Insomniac has proven to be a great resource to Sony, although they remained independent and recently released the lower scoring FUSE game with EA proving they can go and do what they please. The partnership Sony + Insomniac has given gamers much higher metascoring games, but it's nice that Insomniac can work with EA, or even the upcoming product they have Sunset Overdrive with Microsoft. Insomniac wants to own more IPs which is why they created FUSE and are now making Sunset Overdrive. Another example of this is EPIC games who own the GeoW (Gears of War) IP. [EDIT: This post was made before M$ bought the GeoW IP]. They do deal with Microsoft, but the GeoW franchise EPIC can do what they want with it, like Unreal.E

There is no such thing as Second Party games, just second party developers. A game is owned either by a 3rd party or 1st party.

Capcom for instance, a 3rd party hired many outside studios to work on their properties from Bionic Commando to Dead Rising. The product although made by an outside company, is still a Capcom game. Capcom isn't alone. Nintendo, Konami, Activision, EA, and more have deals of this nature.

The final products will still belong to Capcom, Nintendo, Konami, or in this case Sony. Upcoming Sunset Overdrive, depending on who owns the IP will also either be a 1st party or 3rd party game for the next Xbox. This is how it works. According to my research for Sunset, it's a Insomniac owned IP, but it will be published by Microsoft (like Ninja Gaiden II, Braid, or Mass Effect 1 was). It's not depending on who publishes the game, but rather who owns the IP.

This Ratchet game is a 1st party game, still a Sony game paid for and commissioned by Sony, although clearly Insomniac is a 2nd party developer in this case.

I'm not going to research everything, but insomniac made spyro and ratchet. and they are 3rd party. not 1st party not 2nd party. Sony owns the IPs but they were made by a 3rd party. just like gears for MS. they were made by epic a 3rd party. Not a 2nd party or 1st party. as far as ND goes (the studio was acquired by Sony Computer Entertainment in 2001.) and the PS2 (The PS2 was launched in October 2000 in North America and November) so yeah ND did get aquaired during the PS2 you are correct. but ratchet was never 1st party. I can really care less to make a whole list. I was just making the point that Sony did during the PS2 era buy a lot of 3rd party exclusives. and even now with the PS4. all these indies they purchased like resogun, and bloodborne. its normal practice. Yeah MS does it more, I don't think anyone would say otherwise, but both do it to help push their system. and 2nd party doesn't really exist. its a made up term that people used to describe a company that makes a game that isn't 1st party but the IP is owned by the 1st party. By that theory bluepoint would be a 2nd party dev for titanfall which isn't the case

Best thread in a looooooongggg time. I love it. Puuaaaaageee 11.

Keep up the traffic cows!

I am quite confused by this fall out. It's quite easy to understand why SE did this. UNCHARTED 4 comes out in 2015. Honestly if both games came out around the same time TR mutiplat vs UC exclusive from ND which one would most people pick up?

it's really easy to see how they could justify delaying the PS4 (and PC) versions seeing as they'd have to bump heads with Uncharted, a game they really don't want to compete against in the first place.

Their rationality is probably that the boat load of money that MS dropped for timed exclusivity will off set the lack of sales they might have suffered from trying to compete with UC4 head to head.

When MS offered them money for timed exclusivity they probably jumep at the opportunity. A definitive version will no doubt be out for PS4 and PC mid to late 2016. Nothing is lost.

It's just some photoshop work.

It probably took the guy 10 minutes to do.

Don't buy it, send a message?

Insomniac is a 3rd Party developer, but were acting as a 2nd Party when they made Ratchet and Clank for Sony. That product, Ratchet, was a 1st Party product. I suspect you don't know what a 2nd Party is.

Capcom, EA, Activision, Konami, SE, and more hire 3rd Party developers all the time, but the product in the end is a Capcom, EA, Activision, Konami, etc product/game.

2nd Party teams are commissioned by 1st Party companies to create games with their existing IPs. The end product, like a Ratchet and Clank (Insomniac), Excite Bike 64 (Left Field Productions), F-Zero GX (SEGA Amusement Vision), Starfox Assault (Namco), Metroid Other M (Tecmo), and many other games are still 1st Party games. Those I games I listed above are still Nintendo titles, they aren't 3rd party games. It works the same for Sony. The game is only for that platform holder and they can do whatever they want with the title. The Sly Cooper Developer is now owned by Sony and make InFamous games.

There are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Party developers. HOWEVER, there are only 1st and 3rd Party games. It's really simple, a game falls under one umbrella or the other upon release. The game is either a 1st party game or a 3rd Party game.

Forget Spyro, that's PS1 era and your quote was about PS2 era. While the first three Spyro's are a 1st Party product (and therefore you won't find them on other competing platforms), I don't want to get into that as it is more complicated with Universal and besides, your quote was entirely about the PS2 era. I'll quote again:

"When the playstation was in its prime (PS2 era) Sony was buying up exclusives like crazy. They didn't have many (if any) 1st party studios really."

That statement is incorrect and I took the time providing proof. If you aren't willing to look it up and you aren't willing to understand you are misinformed, there isn't much I can do. I posted links and tried my best to explain it. What else is there to say? It's good that you know that Naughty Dog was acquired a long ass time ago in 2001 as I said (kudos for you looking that up), but you are wrong about the above statement with regards to Sony's 1st Party not having any 1st party studios.

You seem to have an issue with 2nd Party developers, so here is some internally developed Sony products for PS2:

Sony gave gamers Gran Turismo 3, Gran Turismo 4, God of War 1, God of War 2, Twisted Metal: Black, War of the Monsters, Jak and Daxter, Jak II, Jak III, Jak X, MLB: The Show, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Rise of the Kasai, Primal, Mark of the Kri, Parappa 2, Hot Shots Golf Series, MediEvil series, Singstar , Syphon Filter, SOCOM, The Getaway 1, The Getaway 2, Tourist Trophy, Genji, Siren, etc.

That's a lot of internally developed 1st party games that Sony provided gamers with in the PS2 era. You said they didn't have many, if any, 1st Party studios. That was incorrect. Without Sony making games, we would never have got Gran Turismo 3 and GT4, Twisted Metal: Black, God of War 1 and 2, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Jak and Daxter, Jak II, Jak 3, Jak X, MLB: The Show, and more.

There was a VAST difference between 1st party output on the Xbox and PS2, and you likened them as similar when that wasn't the case. Sony creates a LOT more 1st party games internally than Xbox. This was especially true in the PS2 vs. Original Xbox era. Sony also hires more 3rd parties to become a temporary 2nd party to create more 1st Party games as they did with Ratchet 1st party games created by the free Insomniac.

The companies are very different in their approach to gaming. My point has nothing to do with buying exclusives, but to do with the misinformation when you said:

"When the playstation was in its prime (PS2 era) Sony was buying up exclusives like crazy. They didn't have many (if any) 1st party studios really."

I wanted to correct this notion, not talk about buying exclusives, especially for games we can't prove. I wanted to deal with the facts, and one fact is that PS2 had a lot of 1st party support, whereas you posted that Sony didn't have many, if any, 1st party studios in the PS2 generation, which was untrue.

Damn this is causing some meltdownssss. lol. TR wasn't even that good.

I am going to buy 5 copies.

i mad.