Resolution does not matter. It's the game engine.

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#1 Posted by Tlgersuperman (87 posts) -

While people are wondering why some 720P games look better than 1080p games, or why a lot of Wii u games at 1080p look to be 720p (or so they claim) or why most 720 and 1080p phone games on your tablets or TV look like ass, realize resolution does not matter alone.

If i took Battlefield 5 and made it with the Doom 2 engine and put it on a console with a AMD super charger fusion module it's going to look like shit.

Resolution arguments between consoles and PC's and Wii U power arguments make no sense using simple logic. If a consoles is factually capable for 1080p or you have a monitor capable of 2060p or even 4K, that is up to the engine to show for it not resolution alone. Saying my Doom 2 engine BF5 looking better than say Crysis 2 would be a humiliation.

Say for example, I took Haze and made the same game with the same engine in 4k. Still going to look like shit. But if I take Crysis 2 in 1080p and have the dynamic lighting and higher texture engine along with being able to generate cleaner polygons which is going to look better, The 4K game? Bullshit.

Whether you consider no games on the Wii U to show it's power, or if you are wondering why XO and PS4 games don't look like they are very if at all, different from each other, or a PC gamer making a stupid argument for Darkest of days because it's in 4K on your PC and claim it looks better than Uncharted, Realize you have no idea what you are talking about.

It's all in the Engine, and I think most will agree with me that saying X looks better because it has more P on your cereal does not mean the game looks better.

#2 Posted by Krelian-co (10652 posts) -

#3 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2780 posts) -

Did you read what you typed before your finger hit the post button ??

#4 Edited by Sushiglutton (5260 posts) -

Say for example, I took Haze and made the same game with the same engine in 4k. Still going to look like shit. But if I take Crysis 2 in 1080p and have the dynamic lighting and higher texture engine along with being able to generate cleaner polygons which is going to look better, The 4K game? Bullshit.

Crysis 2 ar 1080p looks better than Crysis 2 at 720p.

Haze at 4k looks better than Haze at 420p.

Resolution matters.

#5 Edited by Tlgersuperman (87 posts) -

Did you read what you typed before your finger hit the post button ??

Is there a problem somewhere you would like to address?

#6 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4641 posts) -

yes i see what you're saying. but with the haze thing, haze at 4k should look better than haze at sub-4k, but i take your point.

basically, i agree - its erroneous to make conclusions about a system's power based on resolution of games. instead look at the gpu flops, for example one system has only 1.84 teraflops, and then conclude its a weak ass console.

#7 Edited by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

The issue here is this.

Yes we all understand art direction makes a huge difference. This is why despite the technical graphic improvements of Oblivion Morrowind still looks better. That is not the issue here.

The issue here is that there are a lot of indie games running on a shoestring budget who have better graphics resolutions then these large mega games. I would greatly appreciate for the sake of progress in the gaming industry if these fucks would actually make something worthy of the budget.

#8 Edited by Speak_Low (1009 posts) -

LOL somebody mad about Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze in 720p

#9 Edited by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

LOL, the extent Lems and Sheep go through to justify their shitty hardware.

#10 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2780 posts) -
#11 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (13811 posts) -

But why would you want to settle for less?

#12 Posted by HarlockJC (25546 posts) -

Most the people who are going to buy videos are not going to care less if a game is 1080p or 720p. I bet if you ask most teenage kids about it, they would have no idea what the heck your talking about.

#13 Edited by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

Here is the thing when it comes to TV/Movies I gave up on the quality of image a long time ago. I found it to be true that some of the best content out there comes from the internet (at least that I liked) and some of the best shows I have ever seen I viewed on less than HD quality.

HOWEVER, I would never talk about 'next gen' and quality of visuals do not matter to content in the same sentence. Additionally to think most people only care about content is to say there is no market at all for HD Tvs or 4k.

Its silly, of course technology matters otherwise we would all be getting our story telling content from books

#14 Edited by naz99 (1296 posts) -

While people are wondering why some 720P games look better than 1080p games, or why a lot of Wii u games at 1080p look to be 720p (or so they claim) or why most 720 and 1080p phone games on your tablets or TV look like ass, realize resolution does not matter alone.

If i took Battlefield 5 and made it with the Doom 2 engine and put it on a console with a AMD super charger fusion module it's going to look like shit.

Resolution arguments between consoles and PC's and Wii U power arguments make no sense using simple logic. If a consoles is factually capable for 1080p or you have a monitor capable of 2060p or even 4K, that is up to the engine to show for it not resolution alone. Saying my Doom 2 engine BF5 looking better than say Crysis 2 would be a humiliation.

Say for example, I took Haze and made the same game with the same engine in 4k. Still going to look like shit. But if I take Crysis 2 in 1080p and have the dynamic lighting and higher texture engine along with being able to generate cleaner polygons which is going to look better, The 4K game? Bullshit.

Whether you consider no games on the Wii U to show it's power, or if you are wondering why XO and PS4 games don't look like they are very if at all, different from each other, or a PC gamer making a stupid argument for Darkest of days because it's in 4K on your PC and claim it looks better than Uncharted, Realize you have no idea what you are talking about.

It's all in the Engine, and I think most will agree with me that saying X looks better because it has more P on your cereal does not mean the game looks better.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.....WTF??

#15 Posted by Blabadon (26148 posts) -

What happened to your other accounts?

#16 Posted by millerlight89 (18464 posts) -

@tlgersuperman said:

Say for example, I took Haze and made the same game with the same engine in 4k. Still going to look like shit. But if I take Crysis 2 in 1080p and have the dynamic lighting and higher texture engine along with being able to generate cleaner polygons which is going to look better, The 4K game? Bullshit.

Crysis 2 ar 1080p looks better than Crysis 2 at 720p.

Haze at 4k looks better than Haze at 420p.

Resolution matters.

This nailed it.

Most the people who are going to buy videos are not going to care less if a game is 1080p or 720p. I bet if you ask most teenage kids about it, they would have no idea what the heck your talking about.

You already said this in the DK thread. This is the second time and no proof. If there is proof, who cares? We are discussing if it matters among us, not the average teen.

#17 Posted by ConanTheStoner (4938 posts) -

Some people choose to troll themselves.

#18 Posted by Jankarcop (9269 posts) -

resolution matters and pc is best

#19 Edited by Sword-Demon (6970 posts) -

yeah, that's why I still game at 480p, can't even tell the difference between that and 4k

#20 Edited by lostrib (35757 posts) -

I think you're missing the point

#21 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2780 posts) -

Most the people who are going to buy videos are not going to care less if a game is 1080p or 720p. I bet if you ask most teenage kids about it, they would have no idea what the heck your talking about.

I would think older people with bad eyesight would be less sensitive the difference. Gamers who tend to have 20/20 or better eyesight are hypersensitive to even fps unless they wear glasses.

#22 Posted by FPSfan1985 (2008 posts) -

Most the people who are going to buy videos are not going to care less if a game is 1080p or 720p. I bet if you ask most teenage kids about it, they would have no idea what the heck your talking about.

So what you're saying is we should all just settle on being average?

#23 Posted by killatwill15 (845 posts) -

@HarlockJC said:

Most the people who are going to buy videos are not going to care less if a game is 1080p or 720p. I bet if you ask most teenage kids about it, they would have no idea what the heck your talking about.

I would think older people with bad eyesight would be less sensitive the difference. Gamers who tend to have 20/20 or better eyesight are hypersensitive to even fps unless they wear glasses.

I have good eyesight and could not give a shit about frames per second,

in fact if the game runs slower to look better im all for it

#24 Edited by no-scope-AK47 (2780 posts) -

@no-scope-AK47 said:

@HarlockJC said:

Most the people who are going to buy videos are not going to care less if a game is 1080p or 720p. I bet if you ask most teenage kids about it, they would have no idea what the heck your talking about.

I would think older people with bad eyesight would be less sensitive the difference. Gamers who tend to have 20/20 or better eyesight are hypersensitive to even fps unless they wear glasses.

I have good eyesight and could not give a shit about frames per second,

in fact if the game runs slower to look better im all for it

One day I will be old and my reflexes and vision won't be sharp enough. It's like people with bad hearing and I give you 5 dollar earphone then give you 300 headphones. You will notice the build quality but it will sound the same. On pc I will play at 1080p or even 720p as long as I get that 120fps advantage all things being equal. If your a casual gamer you going to take the best setting over the best fps.

On some games like platformers your not really playing against another human so 30 or 60 fps does not even come into it. On some single player games like street fighter fps is a huge deal. If your a casual gamer then the fps traps on street fighter are lost on you. So it's not as simple as you make it sound.

#25 Edited by raging_user (395 posts) -

yes, someone said it

the sacrifice of resolution for better graphical fidelity has to be worth it though

what looks better to you guys, Cryengine 3 at 4k vs Arnold engine at a compressed 720p screencap?

#26 Edited by IgGy621985 (4745 posts) -

Funny how "HD" was one of the main anti-PC ownage arguments among consolites past-gen.

#27 Posted by edwardecl (2239 posts) -

Depends on the game. If you are playing a first person shooter or a driving game, high resolution at the expense of graphics effects (but not frame rate) is acceptable.

I don't think 720p is acceptable in any form, but something between those resolutions is probably acceptable for fast action games to make it look better or have a higher frame rate (if it's only 30fps @1080p then sure sacrifice it).

720p at <30fps has a special place in hell...

#28 Posted by Roler42 (696 posts) -

Let me guess OP, you have never seen the difference between resolutions before...

Either that or you are desperately trying to damage control for this new gen of consoles that can barely break out of 720p let alone go above 30 fps...

#29 Posted by MeganFocks (161 posts) -

@roler42 said:

Let me guess OP, you have never seen the difference between resolutions before...

Either that or you are desperately trying to damage control for this new gen of consoles that can barely break out of 720p let alone go above 30 fps...

Yep, OP must be a Xbox 1 gamer.

#30 Posted by ryangcnx-2 (1224 posts) -

You really need to think about what you wrote. You really come off that you don't understand how game development works. People are comparing the SAME GAMES across platforms. No one is saying how different games look at different resolutions. We care that say when the witcher 3 comes out, will one run in 720p while the other will run in 1080p? The 1080p Witcher 3 will look better. We're also at the point where actual graphics effects, texture resolutions, poly counts will more than likely be equal, and if they aren't, the dev isn't going to make the x1 have higher poly counts and such at 720p but have lesser effects on the ps4 but in 1080p. They will level graphical effects and then scale the resolution while keeping within the fps target.

The only reason one will be at 720p is if it can't get a smooth fps on 900 or 1080.

Or it could be the game that's designed works equally well on both and they are same across the board and both run at the same res.

Now I get what your trying to say is that instead of a dev trying to push 1080p, they could render the game at 900 or 720p and push the gpu harder on graphical effects while keeping the framer ate stable.

But you really don't understand how much resolution actually matters for games. The lower the res, the more aliasing (the shimmering on everything) stands out. Poor resolution can make a good game look bad with blurriness and aliasing. Hopefully we will never see the native res go below 1280 x 720 anymore. No more of this 1024 x 600 crap.

#31 Edited by stereointegrity (10706 posts) -

#32 Edited by getyeryayasout (7355 posts) -

All the best games I've played were at a sub-HD resolution. I agree that too much is made of it, mostly it's just a bullet point on the box that does little to improve the fun of a game.

#33 Edited by locopatho (20238 posts) -

Go play PS4 on an SDTV and tell me res doesn't matter. Christ...

#34 Posted by sukraj (22566 posts) -

Go play PS4 on an SDTV and tell me res doesn't matter. Christ...

res matters innit

#35 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (6714 posts) -

It comes down to the artwork.

#36 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

Do you even know what resolution is or means? Really sounds like you dont

#37 Edited by HarlockJC (25546 posts) -

@HarlockJC said:

Most the people who are going to buy videos are not going to care less if a game is 1080p or 720p. I bet if you ask most teenage kids about it, they would have no idea what the heck your talking about.

So what you're saying is we should all just settle on being average?

"Generally speaking, if you sit more than 10 feet away from your TV, and your display isn’t bigger than 50 inches diagonally, you won’t be able to tell the difference between 720 and 1080."

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/720p-vs-1080p-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-hdtv-resolutions/#ixzz2r2YrauXL

Average size of TV is 46in.

http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/the-growing-hdtv-screen-size-trend-166582

As I said most would not even be able to tell the differences

#38 Edited by silversix_ (14259 posts) -

Yeah? Then what's the point of having high res textures when its blurry as fk or having nice shadows when its all jaggied and messy? They're both equally important and defending 720p in 2014 is just laughable as shit

#39 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

Most the people who are going to buy videos are not going to care less if a game is 1080p or 720p. I bet if you ask most teenage kids about it, they would have no idea what the heck your talking about.

Not what's being discussed though, he's just outright saying it doesn't matter because there's seemingly no difference

#40 Posted by HarlockJC (25546 posts) -

@HarlockJC said:

Most the people who are going to buy videos are not going to care less if a game is 1080p or 720p. I bet if you ask most teenage kids about it, they would have no idea what the heck your talking about.

Not what's being discussed though, he's just outright saying it doesn't matter because there's seemingly no difference

In many ways it does not matter, it's based on how far you sit from your TV and the size. Most people sit more than 10 feet away from their TV, at that range your TV has to be larger than a 55in to matter.

#41 Posted by hoyalawya (342 posts) -

Honest question. Is there a big difference in picture fidelity of real-life images (e.g., movies) and computer generated images? It was a big jump from 480p DVD to 1080p on Blu-Ray on real-life movies. However, the difference is not quite dramatic on CGI movies. E.g., the Pixar movies.

#42 Edited by Desmonic (13745 posts) -

Dafuq...did the stupid virus hit SW harder than usual today? O.o...

#43 Posted by jake44 (1996 posts) -

Did you read what you typed before your finger hit the post button ??

#44 Posted by tormentos (17668 posts) -

"Generally speaking, if you sit more than 10 feet away from your TV, and your display isn’t bigger than 50 inches diagonally, you won’t be able to tell the difference between 720 and 1080."

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/720p-vs-1080p-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-hdtv-resolutions/#ixzz2r2YrauXL

Average size of TV is 46in.

http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/the-growing-hdtv-screen-size-trend-166582

As I said most would not even be able to tell the differences

And yet we have articles like Anandtech saying how you could see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a Phone screen...lol so you can see the different 5 inch or 4 inch phone but not on a 42 inch one..lol

Come on not all eye side are equal how many nerds who do this test even have glasses.? Yeah like their vision is nearly as good as mine i have 39 years and have 20/20.

And yes you don't need to seat 10 feet from a Tv to see the difference,is quite apparent 1080p is sharper,and my TV is 42 inches,in fact i see allot of show about nature and 720p vs 1080p is quite different in my TV,is not from earth to moon but there is a difference.

This another thread to defend the xbox one from its 720p mediocrity.

#45 Posted by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

@HarlockJC said:

"Generally speaking, if you sit more than 10 feet away from your TV, and your display isn’t bigger than 50 inches diagonally, you won’t be able to tell the difference between 720 and 1080."

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/720p-vs-1080p-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-hdtv-resolutions/#ixzz2r2YrauXL

Average size of TV is 46in.

http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/the-growing-hdtv-screen-size-trend-166582

As I said most would not even be able to tell the differences

And yet we have articles like Anandtech saying how you could see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a Phone screen...lol so you can see the different 5 inch or 4 inch phone but not on a 42 inch one..lol

Come on not all eye side are equal how many nerds who do this test even have glasses.? Yeah like their vision is nearly as good as mine i have 39 years and have 20/20.

And yes you don't need to seat 10 feet from a Tv to see the difference,is quite apparent 1080p is sharper,and my TV is 42 inches,in fact i see allot of show about nature and 720p vs 1080p is quite different in my TV,is not from earth to moon but there is a difference.

This another thread to defend the xbox one from its 720p mediocrity.

yup...

In fact I dont think its even possible to buy a 720p TV anymore.

Speaking for myself I can see the difference between a 1080p TV and a 720p TV and the market place better hope like hell we can because 4k has been a huge investment for many manufacturers.

#46 Posted by NFJSupreme (5293 posts) -

There is more to graphical fidelity than resolution but all things being equal (ie the same game) resolution does make a difference.