Question: Will the next Xbox include a Blu Ray drive?

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#1 Redfingers
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Just wondering, but will the next generation Xbox (as in third generation, real successor to Xbox 360) include a Blu Ray drive?

They decided to bail out on HD-DVD because it is "not a proven format," and Microsoft has stated Blu Ray player peripherals are a real possibility in the future. And as game developers have stated, even after compression, a substantial chunk of Blu Ray space is being taken up, indicating that DVD-9s may be dead by the end of this generation. But even so, developers like Bioware show it's still possible to pack an awesome game into a DVD-9 without resorting to multiple discs. Yet, with 4-5 years to let this all sink it, wouldn't you say that DVD-9 will be effectively dead as a doornail by the end of the Xbox's second generation?

So, this leaves us with the title question. Blu Ray, some new-fangled invention, or will Microsoft go the route of the N64 and continue to hopelessly support a dying format?

What will this mean for Microsoft?

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#2 Bansheesdie
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What will this mean for Microsoft? I'd say...absolutely nothing.
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Just wondering, but will the next generation Xbox (as in third generation, real successor to Xbox 360) include a Blu Ray drive?

They decided to bail out on HD-DVD because it is "not a proven format," and Microsoft has stated Blu Ray player peripherals are a real possibility in the future. And as game developers have stated, even after compression, a substantial chunk of Blu Ray space is being taken up, indicating that DVD-9s may be dead by the end of this generation. But even so, developers like Bioware show it's still possible to pack an awesome game into a DVD-9 without resorting to multiple discs. Yet, with 4-5 years to let this all sink it, wouldn't you say that DVD-9 will be effectively dead as a doornail by the end of the Xbox's second generation?

So, this leaves us with the title question. Blu Ray, some new-fangled invention, or will Microsoft go the route of the N64 and continue to hopelessly support a dying format?

What will this mean for Microsoft?

Redfingers

Nah, even in the next 5-10 years, 7Gb is ALWAYS enough. Also the compression technology will be super uber awesome, I think MS should come back to using CD to cut cost. 

Seriously, who need more than 7 level Single Player. 

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#4 SuperKnightX
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Yea it will. Microsoft is alreayd discussing it.

It only seems right since they self-owned with HD-DVD

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#5 Redfingers
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ZOMG! Microsoft introduces: Xbox CD! With add-on peripheral DVD drive! Play them newfangled DVDs in dazzling 480P! Leave your VHS tapes in the trash as you invite yourself into the realm of DIIIIGITAL content! Ooooh, ahhh! Be astounded as 42 gigabytes of content is compressed into 32 MB and fit delightfully into this truly charming and quaint invention of years past, the compact disc! Ooooh, ahhh! And we will also include vouchers for a new Nintendo or Sony console once our truly BC next-gen console fails. *Cheers*
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Nah, even in the next 5-10 years, 7Gb is ALWAYS enough. Also the compression technology will be super uber awesome, I think MS should come back to using CD to cut cost. 

Seriously, who need more than 7 level Single Player. 

tranhgiang

CD? Now that might be a little much, there will probably be a new form of DVD in the next 4-5 years.

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Doubt it, in fact, no. Blueray is a Sony product. And HD-DVD can hold up to 45gigs, I think it will have built in HD-DVD because 45gigs is quite enough memory for almost any game in the next 10 years.
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#8 Redfingers
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Whoa, guys, whoa, that was a complete fabrication, I just read on Wikipedia that CD's contain a maximum of over 800 Megs of data! STEP INTO THE FUTURE! Xbox CD!
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#9 dilmos
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No. unless you think it will have a UMD player also.  Blu ray is Sony's failure, why would anyone jump on board that sinking boat..  Drop the Bluray, add a dvd player, drop $300 off the price and save your rep.

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#10 zerooslo7990
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I'm hoping next generation we wont use disks at all, just download games. You would need like a 500gb hard drive but in 6-7 years it might be more affordable, plus you can use as much space as you want for a game.
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Whoa, guys, whoa, that was a complete fabrication, I just read on Wikipedia that CD's contain a maximum of over 800 Megs of data! STEP INTO THE FUTURE! Xbox CD!Redfingers
So did you work really hard to become this incomprehensible, or did it come naturally?
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Sure why not, hell throw in the new GTX8800 while you at it. As long it's "optional". lol
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[QUOTE="tranhgiang"]Nah, even in the next 5-10 years, 7Gb is ALWAYS enough. Also the compression technology will be super uber awesome, I think MS should come back to using CD to cut cost.

Seriously, who need more than 7 level Single Player.

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CD? Now that might be a little much, there will probably be a new form of DVD in the next 4-5 years.

Yeah, it's called HD-DVD/Blu Ray DVD. Cool, huh? Welcome to the future. "Doubt it, in fact, no. Blueray is a Sony product. And HD-DVD can hold up to 45gigs, I think it will have built in HD-DVD because 45gigs is quite enough memory for almost any game in the next 10 years." Upon further inspection, the Microsoft quote now reads as such: "Yes, we're willing to implement peripheral Blu Ray drives if they do indeed become dominant over the unproven HD-DVD. We are willing to support a Sony product because we're BAs!" Seeing as Hd-DVD is an "unproven format" selling at 1/3 the amount of Blu Ray, and seeing as retailers are going to begin to stop supporting the format altogether, I think it will die in 4-5 years time. Microsoft doesn't have high hopes for it. So, that leaves a new format, Blu Ray, or DVD.
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I don't care. I just hope it has Windows.
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#15 Redfingers
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No. unless you think it will have a UMD player also. Blu ray is Sony's failure, why would anyone jump on board that sinking boat.. Drop the Bluray, add a dvd player, drop $300 off the price and save your rep.

dilmos
Now, now, listen closely. I've set the stage for this argument and made it clear that sacrifices will most absolutely have to be made in the third generation if indeed the DVD format is retained. You must take that into consideration if that is indeed what format you believe will be used in the next generation.
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my guess would be it'll contain a dual format drive that supports both blu-ray and HD-dvd.
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To be fair, BetaMax was outselling VHS for a fairly extensive period of time. We all know how that turned out. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
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#18 Redfingers
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I don't care. I just hope it has Windows. TekkenMaster606
Xbox CD! With Vista Anywhere! Download your Windows Vista Ultimate Edition onto your Xbox CD using a streaming connection! Xbox CD, while it will only come packing a format with 800 mbs, will have 4 GB of RAM since that's the only way that Vista will function! Xbox CD! Jump back.
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Just wondering, but will the next generation Xbox (as in third generation, real successor to Xbox 360) include a Blu Ray drive?

They decided to bail out on HD-DVD because it is "not a proven format," and Microsoft has stated Blu Ray player peripherals are a real possibility in the future. And as game developers have stated, even after compression, a substantial chunk of Blu Ray space is being taken up, indicating that DVD-9s may be dead by the end of this generation. But even so, developers like Bioware show it's still possible to pack an awesome game into a DVD-9 without resorting to multiple discs. Yet, with 4-5 years to let this all sink it, wouldn't you say that DVD-9 will be effectively dead as a doornail by the end of the Xbox's second generation?

So, this leaves us with the title question. Blu Ray, some new-fangled invention, or will Microsoft go the route of the N64 and continue to hopelessly support a dying format?

What will this mean for Microsoft?

Redfingers

i mean they are using dvd right and its a format made by someone which is probably competition.so,i dont get ur point actually

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#20 Redfingers
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[QUOTE="tovarischs"]To be fair, BetaMax was outselling VHS for a fairly extensive period of time. We all know how that turned out. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

They've already hatched, according to retailers, and to Microsoft. Perhaps Betamax was outselling VHS, but at an increasing rate, to a period where it outsold it 3:1? A dual-format drive is insane, assuming HD-DVD is going to die, which I've already established. Plus, the only player that does that costs $1500. Again, your choices are: DVD, Blu Ray, or brand-new format. They're the only viable options.
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To be fair, BetaMax was outselling VHS for a fairly extensive period of time. We all know how that turned out. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.tovarischs

BetaMax basically opened the door for VHS. If Sony had lost that court case, just think of how things would have turned out.

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#22 trylks
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HVDs are the future, that or digital distribution.
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No, blu ray drive wont be available for the xbox 360 V2 because Blu Ray is Sony's Hi Def format.
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No. unless you think it will have a UMD player also.  Blu ray is Sony's failure, why would anyone jump on board that sinking boat..  Drop the Bluray, add a dvd player, drop $300 off the price and save your rep.

dilmos

Failure? Please - there will be a Next-Gen format, and if you take an educated look at the support, sales and future sales potential it would be obvious to you where Blu-Ray stands at the moment. I mean, just look at the amount of Studios behind Blu-Ray and not HD-DVD, not to mention all Blu-Ray equipped PS3's that'll be hitting the market. Upcoming and recent released like Casino Royal, future Pirates of the Caribean movies and such... HD-DVD isn't looking good.

 

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#25 dilmos
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[QUOTE="dilmos"]

No. unless you think it will have a UMD player also. Blu ray is Sony's failure, why would anyone jump on board that sinking boat.. Drop the Bluray, add a dvd player, drop $300 off the price and save your rep.

Redfingers
Now, now, listen closely. I've set the stage for this argument and made it clear that sacrifices will most absolutely have to be made in the third generation if indeed the DVD format is retained. You must take that into consideration if that is indeed what format you believe will be used in the next generation.

Ok, inteligent conversation. Most gamers, and I emphasize most, cannot afford $600 for a system. Most of the people in this country have just gotten into the DVD ownership bus, and I do not believe there are enough NonGamers who are willing to pay BluRay prices when DVD's have finally become available at a price where the "common folk" can buy them. So yes, I think DVD will still be around, although I am not naive, I do think it will be replaced at some point, just not right now, and not by a proprietary format type of disc. I also think Nintendo got this one right with the system and the price. It is new (controller) and it is more affordable than anything else out there. So people got to get a new technology and pay less money. Win win. until the other 2 get it right (fun>graphics) they will see their top spots be snapped up by others, and Nintendo has been there before. Now I just hope they don't blow it.
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The next group of systems will most likely focus much more on downloading games. I'm hoping no more discs at all but we can't know for sure.
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#27 dilmos
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[QUOTE="dilmos"]

No. unless you think it will have a UMD player also.  Blu ray is Sony's failure, why would anyone jump on board that sinking boat..  Drop the Bluray, add a dvd player, drop $300 off the price and save your rep.

Primevil702
Failure? Please - there will be a Next-Gen format, and if you rake an educated look at the support, sales and future sales potential it would be obvious to you where Blu-Ray stands at the moment.

I would say exactly the same thing to you except I would start it with "Failure is immenent if they don't quit shoving a new format down peoples throat. It did not work with UMD and it will not work with BluRay. Laser Disc was considered NextGen at it's time also, but it was way too expensive..... sound familiar?"
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Come with a Blu-Ray? No, but you can buy an add-on for only $350! It's all about the expensive options don;t you know.
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one thing I dont get is the 360 HD-DVD's cost the same as the ps3 blue ray. Blue ray has more technoligy
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#30 Redfingers
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HVDs are the future, that or digital distribution.trylks
There we go. That's what I'm talking about. That's definitely viable, but I'd like to see some kind of an argument. For example, will they be out of development and into production by the time the next generation is upon us? Perhaps this is in the unforeseeable 10+ years in the future range, but in 4-5 years? Considering how people complain about the cost of HD-DVD and Blu Ray drives in both home consoles and standalone players, isn't it likely Microsoft would take an even bigger hit in adopting HVD's? Not to mention what it would cost for a drive, which probably hasn't even be developed yet. Digital distribution is nice, although I always prefer a hard copy, even through Steam. I bought a hard copy of Half Life 2, Day of Defeat: Source, and Red Orchestra Ostfront, even though I could theoretically have bought and downloaded them online. Additionally, with regards to consoles, digital distribution has only been limited to little arcade games, such as Mario 64 and Castlevania. Full size games in the next generation that defy the limits of traditional storage capacity mean 20-50 gigabytes, or more. Hard drives are at least as expensive as format drives, meaning the cost is still there. And then you've got load times, concerns over most people not having broadband internet, and hard drive space to worry about. That's an even bigger problem in a lot of ways than simply adopting HVDs.
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No, blu ray drive wont be available for the xbox 360 V2 because Blu Ray is Sony's Hi Def format.comptonst

 Sony and Microsoft have worked together to ensure that Blu-Ray drives will work with Windows. You know.

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yep, i guarantee it. blu-ray just about has the hd-format war in the bag. 360 games will start to get cramped this gen on dvds and will have no choice but to upgrade next gen. and i doubt ms would back a format after it has lost.
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#33 Redfingers
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[QUOTE="Primevil702"][QUOTE="dilmos"]

No. unless you think it will have a UMD player also. Blu ray is Sony's failure, why would anyone jump on board that sinking boat.. Drop the Bluray, add a dvd player, drop $300 off the price and save your rep.

dilmos
Failure? Please - there will be a Next-Gen format, and if you rake an educated look at the support, sales and future sales potential it would be obvious to you where Blu-Ray stands at the moment.

I would say exactly the same thing to you except I would start it with "Failure is immenent if they don't quit shoving a new format down peoples throat. It did not work with UMD and it will not work with BluRay. Laser Disc was considered NextGen at it's time also, but it was way too expensive..... sound familiar?"

This will not be an object in 5-10 years, will it? Are we still crying about the cost of VHS players? How about DVD players?
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[QUOTE="trylks"]HVDs are the future, that or digital distribution.Redfingers
There we go. That's what I'm talking about. That's definitely viable, but I'd like to see some kind of an argument. For example, will they be out of development and into production by the time the next generation is upon us? Perhaps this is in the unforeseeable 10+ years in the future range, but in 4-5 years? Considering how people complain about the cost of HD-DVD and Blu Ray drives in both home consoles and standalone players, isn't it likely Microsoft would take an even bigger hit in adopting HVD's? Not to mention what it would cost for a drive, which probably hasn't even be developed yet. Digital distribution is nice, although I always prefer a hard copy, even through Steam. I bought a hard copy of Half Life 2, Day of Defeat: Source, and Red Orchestra Ostfront, even though I could theoretically have bought and downloaded them online. Additionally, with regards to consoles, digital distribution has only been limited to little arcade games, such as Mario 64 and Castlevania. Full size games in the next generation that defy the limits of traditional storage capacity mean 20-50 gigabytes, or more. Hard drives are at least as expensive as format drives, meaning the cost is still there. And then you've got load times, concerns over most people not having broadband internet, and hard drive space to worry about. That's an even bigger problem in a lot of ways than simply adopting HVDs.

The best situation would be increased download speeds from broadband providers (comcast already has stable 200mbs servers) and solid state hard drives so games can be stored on large scale drives that can't crash and can be download easily with higher bandwidth.  I think large capacity discs are overrated since they have to try and achieve ridiculous data transmission rates that cause the current (and i know their still in their infancy) console HD-DVD and blu-ray players to be horribly slow at times.  Direct downloads would be the fastest, most efficient way to store large games and stream them efficiently.  Solid state hard drives are already in production btw.  It seems the best alternative at this point. 

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If you aren't willing to switch discs, don't finish the game, that's my philosophy
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If Blu-ray overtakes HD DVD as the new DVD, which is looking like the case, it will more likely be in the next Xbox than not. Microsoft hinted that they are open to the idea of making a Blu-ray add-on for the Xbox 360, much like the HD DVD add-on. But if this happens and if they release their Xbox 360 "Elite" you'll truly need to be blind to keep letting Microsoft milk every last dollar out of you since you could've avoided manipulation and marketing illusions and just bought a PS3 in the first place.
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If Blu-ray overtakes HD DVD as the new DVD, which is looking like the case, it will more likely be in the next Xbox than not. Microsoft hinted that they are open to the idea of making a Blu-ray add-on for the Xbox 360, much like the HD DVD add-on. But if this happens and if they release their Xbox 360 "Elite" you'll truly need to be blind to keep letting Microsoft milk every last dollar out of you since you could've avoided manipulation and marketing illusions and just bought a PS3 in the first place.henry_the_horse

 i know....i should have bought it so i can have horrific framerates and an extremely underwhelming game library.  I'll buy one when the developers figure the thing out and i haven't already played every game on the system a year before it comes out.

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#38 -L-U-I-S-
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Doubt it, in fact, no. Blueray is a Sony product. And HD-DVD can hold up to 45gigs, I think it will have built in HD-DVD because 45gigs is quite enough memory for almost any game in the next 10 years.black_chewbacca
I read somewhere that if Blu-ray wins the format war MS would adopt it. I dont remember where though
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#39 enzogt
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The Way things are going, Blu Ray in the 720/Xbox 3