@StormyJoe said:
COULD YOU PLEASE STOP INCLUDING 500 F'ING QUOTES IN YOUR REPLIES?
Jesus Christ! It makes it so cumbersome to respond, and everyone else gets a "notification". Now that that's out of the way.
You are the joke, dude! You contradict yourself all over the place.
- Either graphics or software determine console sales. You said "software", and I agree. So, all these nitpicking threads over resolution is propaganda bullshit.
- You just finished saying the PS3 was more powerful than the 360, then post resolution numbers that say other wise
- You denouce the argument that "over time, parity will be reached", when - using your own game list - you prove that it is possible because it happened with the PS3 and 360. You even ignore how bad the PS3 multiplats were the first few years - just Look at Eurogamer's view of FEAR. Even your savior CBOAT agrees with parity over time.
- You post 1/2 truths. Was COD on Xb1 720p and PS4 1080p? Yes. But, you goddamned know as well as I that they bumped it down to 720p on XB1 at the last minute because they couldn't keep it running at a constant 60fps in time for release. You read those dev interviews, the same as I did. But, you never mention that tidbit of news - you just spew "Xb1 720p and PS4 1080p!" every chance you get to try and keep up the "PS4 is twice as powerful" myth.
You know what all that means? It means deep down inside, you know your position is weak.
1-Software,price,and some times hardware,the wii won by hardware even if you don't believe it,it had just a different kind of hardware motion control.
The Dreamcast had basically one of the best launch in console history,it had great games before the PS2 even arrived,the line up of games was superior to what the PS2 launch on march 2000,yet the PS2 pass over it like it wasn't even there.
The xbox 360 1 year head start on the market,got games like DR,Saints Row,Ghost Recon,Oblivion,COD2,before the competition even launch,and the wii pass right over it like it didn't exist either and a $600 1 year late PS3 catch it as well.
So you see software not always will win you a generation,it takes other factors as well,now on the case of the PS2 it was destine for nothing but greatness the way it basically destroy the DC without even trying says it all,by the time the xbox and GC arrived the PS2 had so many games and so much market share that is was impossible to compete with it,now this is the PS2,which like the PS3 vs the xbox 360 sales wise is a totally different story to the xbox one.
2-That is funny you ignored how Halo was sub HD,how PDZ since day 1 on the 360 was sub HD,funny Killzone looked better than both and was 720p,Uncharted,TLOU,Beyond 2 souls all 720p all great looking games,you want to know what resolution was Alan Wake which is one of the best looking 360 games.?
960x544 Alan Wake is the most gimped exclusive resolution wise last gen between the PS3 and xbox 360,sony's worse was Resistance 3 960x704 still higher res than Alan Wake.
GT6 1280x1080p Dynamic weather and day to night changes, Forza 1280x720p no weather no day to night changes so who was stronger.?
3-The PS3 had a powerful CPU that could help the PS3 GPU,first PS3 games didn't even use SPE,the PS3 was a nightmare to code for the Xbox 360 was easy,have you see developers claiming the xbox one is a nightmare to code for.? Hell several already have stated that the PS4 version takes more effort because the lack of DX,which make them re compile all the code they have on a different api,Tomb Raider ran up to 30FPS faster on PS4 with better effects and textures,Tomb Raider is a DX game,imagine if the game was make for the PS4 API,and the xbox one got a port from that like the PS4 got how much more abysmal the gap would have been.
The xbox 360 one doesn't have Cell,it has the same CPU and weaker GPU,with a cumbersome memory system that is not as fast or straight forward,no matter what ESRAM will always be to small,and the xbox one will suffer,but even if it was as fast and big enough it would still suffer because you refuse to see that there is a disparity in HARDWARE a 7770 will never beat a 7850 OC period dude there is no parity the xbox one will not catch up.
4-COD wasn't bump down at last minuted,they say he say it running at 1080p but could not get the frame to be where it need it to be.You know that between 720p and 1080p is 900p and 792p.? So why not scale back to 900p like Ryse and have it 60FPS.? It was because the xbox one could not handle it that period even at 900p the frames per second were to low,so they had no choice but to go down to 720p,just like BF4 also had to be 720p on xbox one.
I read the interview and MS engineers were there with activision all the way over the course of the development of the game and they could not reach even 900p at good enough frames they had to go down all the way to 720p
Funny you say when you claimed the difference would be 5 FPS at the same resolution,in this topic you failed period,your arguments all failed and the gap was even bigger than i predicted since,i predict up to 20FPS gap,it has been up to 30 like Sniper Elite 3 also shown,as well as Tomb Raider,and while the PS4 has also better IQ as well.
@darkangel115 said:
Ahh tormentos, always entertaining. Why is it you always feel the need to elaborate huge posts that focus on 1 line of another huge post? why not comment on an entire post?
anyway, I don't think anyone here (and I know myself) didn't already say most MPs are better on the PS4 then the X1. nobody is denying that. Why you feel the need to beat a dead horse that everyone is aware of is beyond me. Yes the PS4 has the better MPs as does the 360 did last gen, but in the end, its not a major difference to most people. Same with last gen, same with this gen. Fanboys will try to find any difference and then twist it to fulfill their agenda. I mean look at you complaining about AA batteries all the time lol. I never said it was a big difference and it wasn't outside of a few games. I mean skyrim was pretty broken on the PS3, but outside that game, there was no major differences in the 2 systems as far as MPs go.
Also say what you want, but I'm not a lemming, I also didn't hype any differences last gen and I'm not doing it this gen. As far as the differences go, You miss out on alot. As res/FPS get bigger and bigger, the amount of actual gain is smaller. jumping from 480p to 720p is a huge difference despite the pixel difference being about 3 times more. from 720p to 1080p the difference is about 2.5 times the pixels but its not the same gain visually as 480 to 720. 4k has almost 4 times the pixels of 1080p but even then the difference between 4k and 1080p isn't as big as the difference in 480p to 720p despite there being more pixels difference (hello diminishing returns) You also never look at outside factors, I mean all 1080p is not created equal. a budget 400 dollar 1080p wont look as good as a 700 dollar samsung 720p TV. You ever wonder why apple calls their screen retina display? "used by Apple for screens that have a pixel density high enough that the human eye is unable to discern individual pixels at a typical viewing distance." In other words, apple adjusts their pixel density to lower it when its not needed for some devices because the human eye can't tell the difference So a 1080p iphone screen has a lower pixel density then a 24" apple monitor that is also 1080p. Same resolution, lower pixel density, human eye can't tell the difference. and since apple has nothing to do with the so called "console wars" its safe to say, it isn't PR BS from Microsoft lying about it to "save face"
All I said is that I don't see much of a difference in the upscaled 1080p of the X1 version of MPs compared to the 1080p native ones on the PS4 and that I'd rather buy games for the system that my friends are buying it for because that is more important to me then a difference I can't notice. Results might vary for different people, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you come and try to do list wars, you come out looking like an idiot
And this is the problem with you people,you bring crap that it is to laugh for...lol
Even implying that the fu**ing difference between 720p vs 480p is bigger than the difference between 4k and 1080p is a total fu**ing joke,you can clearly see how fu**ing sharper 4K is vs 1080p way more than 720p is vs 480p what the fu** man stop making stupid ass claims,you look like a freaking idiot my god..
Now the biggest jump in resolution ever is from 480p to 720p..hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Lemmings you got to fu**ing love their crappy ass argument,i defend the PS4 but fu**ing saying that the difference between 4k vs 1080p is smaller than the difference between 480p to 720p is a joke.
480p wide screen is 852×480,842x480 = 408,960
1280x720p 921,600 pixels,1080p is more than 2 million pixels.
3840x2160 = 8,294,400
The sharpness this image produce is much greater than the one between 480p vs 720p,the whole diminishing crap is a joke,is the same crappy ass excuse MS use to justify having a weak ass GPU,like 14 CU will work like 32 yeah fu**ing right...
Pixel density between TV is completely off topic and irrelevant to this case,don't buy cheap ass TV and problem solve,or now xbox one are only pair with Samsung great TV and PS4 are pair with Chinese cheap ones.?
Retina Display is a freaking name given to a screen with a higher pixel count than some other product it is a damn marketing campaign nothing more and there are phones with higher pixel density than the iphone already and they are not call that way.
As i say you don't see a big difference because you are a MS apologist, and that was proven by your whole diminishing return crap that is what MS used to justify their crappy hardware,even more saying that from 480p to 720p there is a bigger difference than from 720p to 1080p or from 1080p to 4k..lol
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