PS4 making "sacrifices" to run 1080p

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#101 Edited by GravityX (695 posts) -

Of course the cows have to play numbers game. Just look at the games. Forza, Dead Rising and Ryse look infinitely better than anything on the PS4. PS4 has to sacrifice polygons , environmental details, not to mention horrible animations. Cows need to use their eyes and really see what's going in here. Where is the 50 percent more powerful easy to develop for games?

Bottom line if you like the games for the PS4 buy one, if you like the games and experience you get with MS and Xbox get one and if you can get both than get both,

#103 Edited by ronvalencia (15109 posts) -
@killzowned24 said:

Try harder lem.PC is having trouble too.

http://www.techpowerup.com/194081/amd-rolls-out-catalyst-13-11-beta9-2-driver.html

AMD has made available a fresh beta build of the Catalyst 13.11 graphics driver. This latest release is the Beta 9.2 and it brings improved anti-aliasing performance in Call of Duty: Ghost (and an updated CrossFire profile for the game), a PowerTune tweak to 'reduce variance of fan speed / RPM' on Radeon R9 290 Series cards, plus fixes for crashing bugs seen in legacy DirectX 9 applications.

The Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.2 is available for Windows 8.1/8/7 and features support for the Radeon R9, R7, HD 7000, HD 6000 and HD 5000 Series cards.

AMD GPUs seems have issues with CoDG's AA....

PS; CoDG PC is a NVIDIA title.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts-PC-257218/Specials/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts-Test-Benchmarks-1095801/

#104 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150325 posts) -

@Wasdie said:

Of course they did. The only platform where devs don't have the make the sacrifices is the PC. On the PC you can always throw more hardware at games or turn down the graphics settings. Players make the sacrifice by either buying better hardware or turning down the settings, not the devs. On the consoles there is always a finite amount of resources to work with. Eventually you have to cut back to get it to run well. You would have to do that on any machine anywhere. You could even bring down the most high end PC built today if you ramp up the rendering enough.

This whole thread is kind of stupid. Consoles are not PCs. End of story. There is no point to be made here other than with finite performance you eventually have to make sacrifices. That's nothing new or revolutionary.

Doesn't the PC have frame rate issues with this game as well?

#105 Posted by tormentos (17096 posts) -

@TheEroica said:

I was gonna make a thread on th following but we've been inundated with resolution threads.

Um... When I watched the side by side at Ign of ghosts on ps4 and XBone, the XBone version looked noticeably better... Why is that? Everything looked more vibrant and the textures looked better.

Thank you. There are more and more people starting to see things for what they are. There are open people on here and blind people. Eurogamer and DF can say what they want. I saw what you saw.

Once again.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12653-cod-ghosts-xbox-one-has-frame-rate-issues-and-main-reason-not-buy-says-ex-i.html

Deny them all you want they are there,720p and still has frame issue..

The same thing happen with BF4 that even that is 720p runs slower than the PS4 version even without AO on..lol

Go shill else where.

#106 Posted by tormentos (17096 posts) -

@GravityX said:

Of course the cows have to play numbers game. Just look at the games. Forza, Dead Rising and Ryse look infinitely better than anything on the PS4. PS4 has to sacrifice polygons , environmental details, not to mention horrible animations. Cows need to use their eyes and really see what's going in here. Where is the 50 percent more powerful easy to develop for games?

Bottom line if you like the games for the PS4 buy one, if you like the games and experience you get with MS and Xbox get one and if you can get both than get both,

Oh wow...lol

Forza doesn't even look better than Forza 4 in several parts..hahaha

#107 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (6145 posts) -

@GravityX said:

Of course the cows have to play numbers game. Just look at the games. Forza, Dead Rising and Ryse look infinitely better than anything on the PS4. PS4 has to sacrifice polygons , environmental details, not to mention horrible animations. Cows need to use their eyes and really see what's going in here. Where is the 50 percent more powerful easy to develop for games?

Bottom line if you like the games for the PS4 buy one, if you like the games and experience you get with MS and Xbox get one and if you can get both than get both,

Oh wow...lol

Forza doesn't even look better than Forza 4 in several parts..hahaha

Do you just make up what you want to believe? I swear somedays you should be medicated and in a rubber room.

#108 Posted by GravityX (695 posts) -

@tormentos: You need to update your media than. Start calling cows Ostritches because you all have you head up y... in the sand.

#109 Edited by BigShotSmoov007 (235 posts) -

This has nothing to do with the PS4 or any console, it's the fault of I.W. and activision just being a lazy developer cause it's having problems on all consoles. They could release this on the gameboy and it would have frame rate drops cause clearly it's a rush product that they didn't even take the time to fully finish.. Activision is just the worse.

#110 Posted by tormentos (17096 posts) -

Do you just make up what you want to believe? I swear somedays you should be medicated and in a rubber room.

Look whos talking...hahaha

@GravityX said:

@tormentos: You need to update your media than. Start calling cows Ostritches because you all have you head up y... in the sand.

No i don't Forza is an uninpressive game with last gen baked effects,in nothing is impressive,Ryse make Uncharted look open world,and Dead rising has neverrrrrrrrrr eveeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr been more than an average looking 85 game,hell the last one was 79 even worse.

So yeah the biggest launch game probably this holiday is Killzone SF by a land slide,i dare say one of the only few games that really show what next gen is about..

#111 Posted by ronvalencia (15109 posts) -

@Wasdie said:

Of course they did. The only platform where devs don't have the make the sacrifices is the PC. On the PC you can always throw more hardware at games or turn down the graphics settings. Players make the sacrifice by either buying better hardware or turning down the settings, not the devs. On the consoles there is always a finite amount of resources to work with. Eventually you have to cut back to get it to run well. You would have to do that on any machine anywhere. You could even bring down the most high end PC built today if you ramp up the rendering enough.

This whole thread is kind of stupid. Consoles are not PCs. End of story. There is no point to be made here other than with finite performance you eventually have to make sacrifices. That's nothing new or revolutionary.

Doesn't the PC have frame rate issues with this game as well?

It depends on the driver and settings.

#112 Posted by Phazevariance (10936 posts) -

@xboxiphoneps3 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Shewgenja said:

It is well-known that the XBone has stuttering frames even at 720p. Why the shit do you want this ownage again?

[quote]

CoD: Ghosts on Xbox One Has Frame Rate Issues And Is The Main Reason Not To Buy says Ex IGN Editor

By Alex Wed, 2013-11-06 13:03 Video GamePS4Xbox Onecall of duty ghostsInfinity Ward

Xbox One version of Call of Duty: Ghosts suffers from nasty frame rate issue, according to Jeremy Conrad.

Conrad further went on to add that FPS drops from 60 to 50 FPS and is reason to not buy it (PS the 720p game has worse drops)

For those who are unaware of who this Jeremy Conrad is, "Former IGN Editor".

This means that not only

Playstation 4 version of Call of Duty: Ghosts suffers from frame rate issues

but Xbox One version as well even though it runs at lower resolution of 720p.

In another news, Infinity Ward's Mark Rubin in a recent interview to Metro stated that Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox One and PS4 are identical to each other apart from resolutions at which it runs on both consoles i.e 720p and 1080p.[/quote]

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12653-cod-ghosts-xbox-one-has-frame-rate-issues-and-main-reason-not-buy-says-ex-i.html

all you cows can do is supply rumors from "ex friends of ex lovers" I hope you don't go through your daily life like this.

sucks the Xbox One version has FPS issues while also running the game at 2x less pixels then the PS4, alot of people are dissapointed in the weak specs of the Xbox One.

there are lots of things that suck. Owning a PS4 and thinking it is good is one of them.

The OP article states the exact oposite saying that the X1 has perfect 60fps at 720p.

Kinda sounds like this gen is giong to be a 720p @ 60fps vs 1080p @ sort of 60fps type of generation. Guess we'll see with the next generation of games in a year.

#113 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (6145 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@xboxiphoneps3 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Shewgenja said:

It is well-known that the XBone has stuttering frames even at 720p. Why the shit do you want this ownage again?

[quote]

CoD: Ghosts on Xbox One Has Frame Rate Issues And Is The Main Reason Not To Buy says Ex IGN Editor

By Alex Wed, 2013-11-06 13:03 Video GamePS4Xbox Onecall of duty ghostsInfinity Ward

Xbox One version of Call of Duty: Ghosts suffers from nasty frame rate issue, according to Jeremy Conrad.

Conrad further went on to add that FPS drops from 60 to 50 FPS and is reason to not buy it (PS the 720p game has worse drops)

For those who are unaware of who this Jeremy Conrad is, "Former IGN Editor".

This means that not only

Playstation 4 version of Call of Duty: Ghosts suffers from frame rate issues

but Xbox One version as well even though it runs at lower resolution of 720p.

In another news, Infinity Ward's Mark Rubin in a recent interview to Metro stated that Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox One and PS4 are identical to each other apart from resolutions at which it runs on both consoles i.e 720p and 1080p.[/quote]

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12653-cod-ghosts-xbox-one-has-frame-rate-issues-and-main-reason-not-buy-says-ex-i.html

all you cows can do is supply rumors from "ex friends of ex lovers" I hope you don't go through your daily life like this.

sucks the Xbox One version has FPS issues while also running the game at 2x less pixels then the PS4, alot of people are dissapointed in the weak specs of the Xbox One.

there are lots of things that suck. Owning a PS4 and thinking it is good is one of them.

The OP article states the exact oposite saying that the X1 has perfect 60fps at 720p.

Kinda sounds like this gen is giong to be a 720p @ 60fps vs 1080p @ sort of 60fps type of generation. Guess we'll see with the next generation of games in a year.

If you just sat down and played a game and it looked amazing and played smooth..................would it bother you if they told you it was 720p and you couldn't tell the difference? Not me. looking good is looking good.

#114 Edited by Krelian-co (10368 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@GravityX said:

Of course the cows have to play numbers game. Just look at the games. Forza, Dead Rising and Ryse look infinitely better than anything on the PS4. PS4 has to sacrifice polygons , environmental details, not to mention horrible animations. Cows need to use their eyes and really see what's going in here. Where is the 50 percent more powerful easy to develop for games?

Bottom line if you like the games for the PS4 buy one, if you like the games and experience you get with MS and Xbox get one and if you can get both than get both,

Oh wow...lol

Forza doesn't even look better than Forza 4 in several parts..hahaha

Do you just make up what you want to believe? I swear somedays you should be medicated and in a rubber room.

lems became full time clowns, lul.

#115 Posted by -Unreal- (24536 posts) -

Developers always make sacrifices to console games. I said this in a Killzone thread about the shit IQ the game has and the lack of detail in anything but enclosed spaces. Corners are cut, graphical settings are tweaked, objects and assests may be reduced or even omitted completely in order to maintain a target frame rate. Console peasant kiddies mistake it for the fabled "optimisation" they think is so amazing on consoles. That and the "unlocked potential."

#116 Posted by Riverwolf007 (23506 posts) -

did you see where the ign guy said it sucks ass?

then he gave it a 9.

#117 Posted by Liquid_ (2439 posts) -

I guess when you have nothing to look forward to next gen, you need to create an endless amount of useless threads to make yourself feel better

#118 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

ITT: OP ignores second page of System Wars and creates self-ownage thread. Gets butthurt.

He does it in almost every thread he makes.

Yeah it is sad to watch him so desperately beg for attention like this everyday. RL must suck for him.

#119 Posted by Shewgenja (8462 posts) -

Sacrificing the hopes and dreams of lems on an altar of 1080p.

#120 Posted by mtradr43 (5272 posts) -

@Shewgenja: just wait. If the ps4 can only do 900p on bf4 its not going to get any better for you cows either. Both systems are underpowered. If you really cared about the res you would just play on pc at higher than 1080p

#122 Posted by cainetao11 (16867 posts) -

@Gatman32 said:

Sounds about right. I don't get why people that want consistent 1080p/60fps won't just buy a gaming PC. That's the only place you will get it.

Way to go!! You're our winner!! I agree. If all this 720p, less than 60 fps is unplayable now, build or buy a gaming rig. Amazes me though. In May TLOU came out, its 720p and was heralded as the best game of this past gen, and some said of all time. 5 months later, its a blurry, unplayable mess. Talk about high maintenance, prima donna gamers.

#123 Edited by Shewgenja (8462 posts) -

@mtradr43 said:

@Shewgenja: just wait. If the ps4 can only do 900p on bf4 its not going to get any better for you cows either. Both systems are underpowered. If you really cared about the res you would just play on pc at higher than 1080p

ROFFL! I always play FPS on PC. I console for console games (and BluRay player). I just like pounding on the XBox because MS needs to stick to what they're good at.

#124 Posted by ZombieKiller7 (6248 posts) -

Last I heard, Ghosts is having problems on all systems.

#125 Edited by Suppaman100 (3771 posts) -

@Gatman32 said:

Sounds about right. I don't get why people that want consistent 1080p/60fps won't just buy a gaming PC. That's the only place you will get it.

Way to go!! You're our winner!! I agree. If all this 720p, less than 60 fps is unplayable now, build or buy a gaming rig. Amazes me though. In May TLOU came out, its 720p and was heralded as the best game of this past gen, and some said of all time. 5 months later, its a blurry, unplayable mess. Talk about high maintenance, prima donna gamers.

But it's just not acceptable for NEXT-GEN consoles. It's fine for current-gen consoles because not many people had a Full-HD tv in the day. The Xbone has weaker hardware because of Kinect.

It's clear that MS is going after the casual-pot of gold this time.

#126 Edited by cainetao11 (16867 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@Gatman32 said:

Sounds about right. I don't get why people that want consistent 1080p/60fps won't just buy a gaming PC. That's the only place you will get it.

Way to go!! You're our winner!! I agree. If all this 720p, less than 60 fps is unplayable now, build or buy a gaming rig. Amazes me though. In May TLOU came out, its 720p and was heralded as the best game of this past gen, and some said of all time. 5 months later, its a blurry, unplayable mess. Talk about high maintenance, prima donna gamers.

But it's just not acceptable for NEXT-GEN consoles. It's fine for current-gen consoles because not many people had a Full-HD tv in the day. The Xbone has weaker hardware because of Kinect.

It's clear that MS is going after the casual-pot of gold this time.

Who says its not acceptable? And if so, then PS4, which doesn't hit 1080p in BF4 must be unacceptable as well. But I know you get to pick and choose with your logic. I know people love this "standards" thing. I am glad I don't subscribe to it. All it does is limit my potential gaming experiences.

#127 Posted by Suppaman100 (3771 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Gatman32 said:

Sounds about right. I don't get why people that want consistent 1080p/60fps won't just buy a gaming PC. That's the only place you will get it.

Way to go!! You're our winner!! I agree. If all this 720p, less than 60 fps is unplayable now, build or buy a gaming rig. Amazes me though. In May TLOU came out, its 720p and was heralded as the best game of this past gen, and some said of all time. 5 months later, its a blurry, unplayable mess. Talk about high maintenance, prima donna gamers.

But it's just not acceptable for NEXT-GEN consoles. It's fine for current-gen consoles because not many people had a Full-HD tv in the day. The Xbone has weaker hardware because of Kinect.

It's clear that MS is going after the casual-pot of gold this time.

Who says its not acceptable? And if so, then PS4, which doesn't hit 1080p in BF4 must be unacceptable as well. But I know you get to pick and choose with your logic. I know people love this "standards" thing. I am glad I don't subscribe to it. All it does is limit my potential gaming experiences.

That's the problem with lemmings, you have low standards. (thx for confirming)

And stop being an apologist for MS, when you pay more money it's normal to expect better hardware than the cheaper competition.

#128 Posted by cainetao11 (16867 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Gatman32 said:

Sounds about right. I don't get why people that want consistent 1080p/60fps won't just buy a gaming PC. That's the only place you will get it.

Way to go!! You're our winner!! I agree. If all this 720p, less than 60 fps is unplayable now, build or buy a gaming rig. Amazes me though. In May TLOU came out, its 720p and was heralded as the best game of this past gen, and some said of all time. 5 months later, its a blurry, unplayable mess. Talk about high maintenance, prima donna gamers.

But it's just not acceptable for NEXT-GEN consoles. It's fine for current-gen consoles because not many people had a Full-HD tv in the day. The Xbone has weaker hardware because of Kinect.

It's clear that MS is going after the casual-pot of gold this time.

Who says its not acceptable? And if so, then PS4, which doesn't hit 1080p in BF4 must be unacceptable as well. But I know you get to pick and choose with your logic. I know people love this "standards" thing. I am glad I don't subscribe to it. All it does is limit my potential gaming experiences.

That's the problem with lemmings, you have low standards. (thx for confirming)

And stop being an apologist for MS, when you pay more money it's normal to expect better hardware than the cheaper competition.

Im an apologist? I haven't apologized for them or me. I haven't done anything wrong. And I hope to have no "standards" when it comes to having fun, so I'm open to fun in any way, shape or form. But you want to play elitist and limit what you can have fun with in your life because its beneath you, almighty one.

#129 Posted by Suppaman100 (3771 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Gatman32 said:

Sounds about right. I don't get why people that want consistent 1080p/60fps won't just buy a gaming PC. That's the only place you will get it.

Way to go!! You're our winner!! I agree. If all this 720p, less than 60 fps is unplayable now, build or buy a gaming rig. Amazes me though. In May TLOU came out, its 720p and was heralded as the best game of this past gen, and some said of all time. 5 months later, its a blurry, unplayable mess. Talk about high maintenance, prima donna gamers.

But it's just not acceptable for NEXT-GEN consoles. It's fine for current-gen consoles because not many people had a Full-HD tv in the day. The Xbone has weaker hardware because of Kinect.

It's clear that MS is going after the casual-pot of gold this time.

Who says its not acceptable? And if so, then PS4, which doesn't hit 1080p in BF4 must be unacceptable as well. But I know you get to pick and choose with your logic. I know people love this "standards" thing. I am glad I don't subscribe to it. All it does is limit my potential gaming experiences.

That's the problem with lemmings, you have low standards. (thx for confirming)

And stop being an apologist for MS, when you pay more money it's normal to expect better hardware than the cheaper competition.

Im an apologist? I haven't apologized for them or me. I haven't done anything wrong. And I hope to have no "standards" when it comes to having fun, so I'm open to fun in any way, shape or form. But you want to play elitist and limit what you can have fun with in your life because its beneath you, almighty one.

So it's weird and "elitist" to have standards when you're choosing to buy a product, in this case a console?

You think it's "OK" to pay more for less?

...The things lemmings say is just too funny.

And yes you're being an apologist, you're actually saying having standards is stupid/ unnecessary.

My friend do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

"Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors. This produces a feeling of discomfort leading to an alteration in one of the attitudes, beliefs or behaviors to reduce the discomfort and restore balance etc."

#130 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha:

What do you mean what do I mean? If that didn't show framerate issues, than what did it show?

#131 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (6145 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha:

What do you mean what do I mean? If that didn't show framerate issues, than what did it show?

framerate issues happen over the entire screen, not just the gun. This was the user doing this with the controller or a bug. Definitely not framerate.

#132 Posted by cainetao11 (16867 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Gatman32 said:

Sounds about right. I don't get why people that want consistent 1080p/60fps won't just buy a gaming PC. That's the only place you will get it.

Way to go!! You're our winner!! I agree. If all this 720p, less than 60 fps is unplayable now, build or buy a gaming rig. Amazes me though. In May TLOU came out, its 720p and was heralded as the best game of this past gen, and some said of all time. 5 months later, its a blurry, unplayable mess. Talk about high maintenance, prima donna gamers.

But it's just not acceptable for NEXT-GEN consoles. It's fine for current-gen consoles because not many people had a Full-HD tv in the day. The Xbone has weaker hardware because of Kinect.

It's clear that MS is going after the casual-pot of gold this time.

Who says its not acceptable? And if so, then PS4, which doesn't hit 1080p in BF4 must be unacceptable as well. But I know you get to pick and choose with your logic. I know people love this "standards" thing. I am glad I don't subscribe to it. All it does is limit my potential gaming experiences.

That's the problem with lemmings, you have low standards. (thx for confirming)

And stop being an apologist for MS, when you pay more money it's normal to expect better hardware than the cheaper competition.

Im an apologist? I haven't apologized for them or me. I haven't done anything wrong. And I hope to have no "standards" when it comes to having fun, so I'm open to fun in any way, shape or form. But you want to play elitist and limit what you can have fun with in your life because its beneath you, almighty one.

So it's weird and "elitist" to have standards when you're choosing to buy a product, in this case a console?

You think it's "OK" to pay more for less?

...The things lemmings say is just too funny.

And yes you're being an apologist, you're actually saying having standards is stupid/ unnecessary.

My friend do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

"Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors. This produces a feeling of discomfort leading to an alteration in one of the attitudes, beliefs or behaviors to reduce the discomfort and restore balance etc."

Do you know what lying is? I never said its weird to have standards. Show me where I said that or stated these ways I choose to experience life, so as to be open to more experiences is right and your way is wrong? Because it seems to me that's how you took it. And the logical fact is the X1 is coming with a camera. There is more in the box than in the PS4 box. I think that's why they're charging more, besides being another profit focused company that is. Is it "OK" to pay more for less? I don't know. Is it "OK" to assess value for ones self? Like you guys and "standards". I merely stated that if I was loving a games at 720p only a few months ago, I'm not going to suddenly not like games at 720p just because the game is in a new console.

#133 Posted by Suppaman100 (3771 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Gatman32 said:

Sounds about right. I don't get why people that want consistent 1080p/60fps won't just buy a gaming PC. That's the only place you will get it.

Way to go!! You're our winner!! I agree. If all this 720p, less than 60 fps is unplayable now, build or buy a gaming rig. Amazes me though. In May TLOU came out, its 720p and was heralded as the best game of this past gen, and some said of all time. 5 months later, its a blurry, unplayable mess. Talk about high maintenance, prima donna gamers.

But it's just not acceptable for NEXT-GEN consoles. It's fine for current-gen consoles because not many people had a Full-HD tv in the day. The Xbone has weaker hardware because of Kinect.

It's clear that MS is going after the casual-pot of gold this time.

Who says its not acceptable? And if so, then PS4, which doesn't hit 1080p in BF4 must be unacceptable as well. But I know you get to pick and choose with your logic. I know people love this "standards" thing. I am glad I don't subscribe to it. All it does is limit my potential gaming experiences.

That's the problem with lemmings, you have low standards. (thx for confirming)

And stop being an apologist for MS, when you pay more money it's normal to expect better hardware than the cheaper competition.

Im an apologist? I haven't apologized for them or me. I haven't done anything wrong. And I hope to have no "standards" when it comes to having fun, so I'm open to fun in any way, shape or form. But you want to play elitist and limit what you can have fun with in your life because its beneath you, almighty one.

So it's weird and "elitist" to have standards when you're choosing to buy a product, in this case a console?

You think it's "OK" to pay more for less?

...The things lemmings say is just too funny.

And yes you're being an apologist, you're actually saying having standards is stupid/ unnecessary.

My friend do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

"Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors. This produces a feeling of discomfort leading to an alteration in one of the attitudes, beliefs or behaviors to reduce the discomfort and restore balance etc."

Do you know what lying is? I never said its weird to have standards. Show me where I said that or stated these ways I choose to experience life, so as to be open to more experiences is right and your way is wrong? Because it seems to me that's how you took it. And the logical fact is the X1 is coming with a camera. There is more in the box than in the PS4 box. I think that's why they're charging more, besides being another profit focused company that is. Is it "OK" to pay more for less? I don't know. Is it "OK" to assess value for ones self? Like you guys and "standards". I merely stated that if I was loving a games at 720p only a few months ago, I'm not going to suddenly not like games at 720p just because the game is in a new console.

You were clearly implying that having standards is "elitist".

And again you're confirming my point. You don't see anything wrong with the fact that you're getting less for more? Come on now.

Also you're again being the apologist, in this day and age 1080p should be standard for next-gen consoles. Why can't you accept that MS made a mistake with the weaker hardware of the Xbone and is going after the casuals.

#134 Edited by cainetao11 (16867 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Gatman32 said:

Sounds about right. I don't get why people that want consistent 1080p/60fps won't just buy a gaming PC. That's the only place you will get it.

Way to go!! You're our winner!! I agree. If all this 720p, less than 60 fps is unplayable now, build or buy a gaming rig. Amazes me though. In May TLOU came out, its 720p and was heralded as the best game of this past gen, and some said of all time. 5 months later, its a blurry, unplayable mess. Talk about high maintenance, prima donna gamers.

But it's just not acceptable for NEXT-GEN consoles. It's fine for current-gen consoles because not many people had a Full-HD tv in the day. The Xbone has weaker hardware because of Kinect.

It's clear that MS is going after the casual-pot of gold this time.

Who says its not acceptable? And if so, then PS4, which doesn't hit 1080p in BF4 must be unacceptable as well. But I know you get to pick and choose with your logic. I know people love this "standards" thing. I am glad I don't subscribe to it. All it does is limit my potential gaming experiences.

That's the problem with lemmings, you have low standards. (thx for confirming)

And stop being an apologist for MS, when you pay more money it's normal to expect better hardware than the cheaper competition.

Im an apologist? I haven't apologized for them or me. I haven't done anything wrong. And I hope to have no "standards" when it comes to having fun, so I'm open to fun in any way, shape or form. But you want to play elitist and limit what you can have fun with in your life because its beneath you, almighty one.

So it's weird and "elitist" to have standards when you're choosing to buy a product, in this case a console?

You think it's "OK" to pay more for less?

...The things lemmings say is just too funny.

And yes you're being an apologist, you're actually saying having standards is stupid/ unnecessary.

My friend do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

"Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors. This produces a feeling of discomfort leading to an alteration in one of the attitudes, beliefs or behaviors to reduce the discomfort and restore balance etc."

Do you know what lying is? I never said its weird to have standards. Show me where I said that or stated these ways I choose to experience life, so as to be open to more experiences is right and your way is wrong? Because it seems to me that's how you took it. And the logical fact is the X1 is coming with a camera. There is more in the box than in the PS4 box. I think that's why they're charging more, besides being another profit focused company that is. Is it "OK" to pay more for less? I don't know. Is it "OK" to assess value for ones self? Like you guys and "standards". I merely stated that if I was loving a games at 720p only a few months ago, I'm not going to suddenly not like games at 720p just because the game is in a new console.

You were clearly implying that having standards is "elitist".

And again you're confirming my point. You don't see anything wrong with the fact that you're getting less for more? Come on now.

Also you're again being the apologist, in this day and age 1080p should be standard for next-gen consoles. Why can't you accept that MS made a mistake with the weaker hardware of the Xbone and is going after the casuals.

No dude, I began by talking to someone else. you decided to chime in. Now this is an internet forum, open discussion so its all good. Yes, I did say elitist. Did my last response challenge that? It did challenge me saying standards are weird, or my ways are "right" for everyone. Because I never said that. I'm not apologizing for anyone because neither I nor MS, nor Sony have done anything wrong. And you're ignoring the fact that you are getting a camera in the box. There is no camera in the box with a PS4. Like it or not, that's why it costs more. So how is anyone getting less for more, if it has more in the box? And again who decides these standards? Who gets that power? If 1080p should be standard then why aren't you crying and moaning about the PS4 not hitting that on BF4? Why should I accept MS made a mistake when the fvckin console hasn't even released yet? If it sells 50 million units, and makes a profit, is it still a mistake they made? I try to accept reality as it is, and be humbly thankful for it. Should and shouldn't don't exist.

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#136 Edited by StormyJoe (4895 posts) -
#137 Posted by StormyJoe (4895 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Shewgenja said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Shewgenja said:

It is well-known that the XBone has stuttering frames even at 720p. Why the shit do you want this ownage again?

[quote]

CoD: Ghosts on Xbox One Has Frame Rate Issues And Is The Main Reason Not To Buy says Ex IGN Editor

By Alex Wed, 2013-11-06 13:03 Video GamePS4Xbox Onecall of duty ghostsInfinity Ward

Xbox One version of Call of Duty: Ghosts suffers from nasty frame rate issue, according to Jeremy Conrad.

Conrad further went on to add that FPS drops from 60 to 50 FPS and is reason to not buy it (PS the 720p game has worse drops)

For those who are unaware of who this Jeremy Conrad is, "Former IGN Editor".

This means that not only

Playstation 4 version of Call of Duty: Ghosts suffers from frame rate issues

but Xbox One version as well even though it runs at lower resolution of 720p.

In another news, Infinity Ward's Mark Rubin in a recent interview to Metro stated that Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox One and PS4 are identical to each other apart from resolutions at which it runs on both consoles i.e 720p and 1080p.[/quote]

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12653-cod-ghosts-xbox-one-has-frame-rate-issues-and-main-reason-not-buy-says-ex-i.html

all you cows can do is supply rumors from "ex friends of ex lovers" I hope you don't go through your daily life like this.

Stay thirsty, Lems.

lol, that isn't framerate issues. aRe youe thath dumbh?

The framerate tanking to single digits when there's nothing happening on screen? That's exactly what framerate issues are.

That gif is weak sauce. Even in the article, they say the drop isn't noticeable unless you are really looking for it. That's NOT what people are saying about the PS4 version.

#138 Posted by Rage010101 (5470 posts) -

Dog shit next gen consoles confirmed...yet again.

#139 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

@GravityX said:

Of course the cows have to play numbers game. Just look at the games. Forza, Dead Rising and Ryse look infinitely better than anything on the PS4. PS4 has to sacrifice polygons , environmental details, not to mention horrible animations. Cows need to use their eyes and really see what's going in here. Where is the 50 percent more powerful easy to develop for games?

Bottom line if you like the games for the PS4 buy one, if you like the games and experience you get with MS and Xbox get one and if you can get both than get both,

Ryse and Dead Rising 3 do not look like better games than Killzone Shadow and the sales show it. Forza is racing game with a limited audience.

Xflop One makes sacrifices to hit 720p/30fps in Dead Rising 3. Pathetic.

#140 Posted by foxhound_fox (87660 posts) -

It's really a shame that none of the new consoles can effortlessly achieve 1080p @ 60 fps. Despite $400-500 PC's probably being capable of it for at least a few years now.