PS4 is better than 85% of gaming PC's.

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#1 Edited by Suppaman100 (3693 posts) -

The PS4 is roughly on par with, but probably better than, an HD7850. Counting all PCs accessing Steam (a good representative sample) with an HD7870/GTX 660 or higher you can see these make up only about 15% of all PCs.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

PC gaming peasants: "Bu...bu...bu...we are masterraceee!!!"

#2 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (15885 posts) -

I have three desktop PCs and a gaming laptop that access Steam. None of them are in the survey. I've had Steam since HL2.

#3 Edited by Stringerboy (6922 posts) -

#4 Posted by BPoole96 (22784 posts) -

I am the 15%.

The PC I built 3 years ago had a 6950, which is basically the same as a 7850

#5 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (6027 posts) -

Ok

#6 Edited by clyde46 (43955 posts) -

Steam is not a "good" representation for a start, we've been through this time and time again. Using the Steam survey is flawed as it allows you to populate the list from multiple machines. So, in short I can do the survey here on my 780Ti gaming rig, on my AMD powered MBP, on my low end 27in iMac, on my friends POS laptop and on a internet cafe machine, all under my Steam account ID.

Now, I don't doubt for a minute that the PS4 is more powerful but is that going to make people ditch their PC's and come running to Sony? No. Its all about the games, if they see a kick ass game, they will sit and up take notice. Even those wastes of genetic material that play the likes of LoL or Dota will sit up and look if something big enough shouts in their face.

In short, its like a car. I can upgrade my car to the max but its still going to doing everything a ricer's car is going to do, only thing is, mine is going to do it faster and better.

#7 Posted by clyde46 (43955 posts) -
#8 Edited by DEadliNE-Zero0 (916 posts) -

Jesus freaking Christ. Yes, the majority, aka 50%+, of steam users don't have mid-high end rigs. If that where the case, that would mean 40 million + users. Against, 7 million PS4 users.

I have nothing to do right now, so i'll just do a quick sum up:

GTX 660 (2,67) + gtx 760 (2,10) + gtx 770 (1,78) + GTX 670 (1,25) = 7,8%. That doesn't include the many others gpu's i'm missing.

7.8% of, atleast 75 milliom steam users, is 5,8 million+.And you keep forgetting the whole point of consoles is to be simple and user friendly. Obviously they'll sell more. Genious i know. A machine that is cheaper and you don't have to do research and build yourself sell more to a mass, casual market.

And it's still weak.

#9 Posted by EducatingU_PCMR (526 posts) -

Yawn another Steam survey thread.

A gaming PC today = completely destroys the PS4 if you want to.


What's the need of grouping "Gaming PCs" as a single entity just like PS4s or XOs when they're not? There's no such thing as just a "Gaming PC".


A gaming PC today with less power than the PS4 can surpass it tomorrow, the PS4 will stay at 1.84TFLOPS and won't get any better.

#10 Posted by sailor232 (4348 posts) -

@BPoole96 said:

I am the 15%.

The PC I built 3 years ago had a 6950, which is basically the same as a 7850

Nice I have that card crossfired, it still kicks ass to this day, noise is annoying though.

#11 Posted by BPoole96 (22784 posts) -

@sailor232: I had them crossfired as well. It's pretty much the same performance as a stock 7970.

#12 Posted by 10854 (108 posts) -
#13 Edited by Effec_Tor (224 posts) -

Steam has what.. 70 to 80 million users?

edit: theres about 25 million PC gamers that have a much more powerful system compared to the PS4

#14 Edited by PrincessGomez92 (3332 posts) -

Congrats, tool?

#15 Posted by razu2444 (794 posts) -

Not surprised.

#16 Posted by Cloud_imperium (2196 posts) -

Outdated info . Steam survey is not most reliable source . Most people don't take part in surveys while others do when they make brand new account , and even if they upgrade their PC later , Steam doesn't offer them another survey until they do it themselves and most people don't .

#17 Posted by Krelian-co (10208 posts) -

The PS4 is roughly on par with, but probably better than, an HD7850. Counting all PCs accessing Steam (a good representative sample) with an HD7870/GTX 660 or higher you can see these make up only about 15% of all PCs.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

PC gaming peasants: "Bu...bu...bu...we are masterraceee!!!"

well i'm not only on that 15% but on the 1% that really destroys any console out there, get on my level peasant.

#18 Edited by trugs26 (5209 posts) -

Difference is that I can upgrade my PC for less than the price of a PS4 to get something more powerful. Consoles might have an okay price for their tech for about the first year, but every following year thereafter really highlights the difference between PCs and consoles.

#19 Posted by Bigboi500 (29062 posts) -

And probably none of them post here, but that wont change hermits' attitude who do.

#20 Edited by clyde46 (43955 posts) -

And probably none of them post here, but that wont change hermits' attitude who do.

Feels good man.

#21 Posted by Jeager_Titan (945 posts) -

Sigh, another day, another troll thread.

#22 Posted by AmazonAngry (939 posts) -

Yep. Pc mediocre race like to play up that the majority of them are running some Skynet powered monster...yet most only have Speak & Spells.

Exposed!

#23 Posted by 10854 (108 posts) -

Sigh, another day, another troll thread.

Gamespot is feeling mmore and more like a troll database

#24 Posted by Effec_Tor (224 posts) -

Yep. Pc mediocre race like to play up that the majority of them are running some Skynet powered monster...yet most only have Speak & Spells.

Exposed!

wat

#25 Edited by pelvist (4557 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

The PS4 is roughly on par with, but probably better than, an HD7850. Counting all PCs accessing Steam (a good representative sample) with an HD7870/GTX 660 or higher you can see these make up only about 15% of all PCs.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

PC gaming peasants: "Bu...bu...bu...we are masterraceee!!!"

Even though Steam is a bad source for this kind of information (useless in fact) and even if it where true that only 15% of pc gamers had a PC more powerfull than a PS4, then that 15% of PC gamers is still magnitudes more than the PS4 and XBOX One userbase combined.

LOL @ the system wars peasantry.

#26 Posted by Blabadon (25609 posts) -

Posting that info means around 25 million have stronger systems, as compared to 7 million PS4s.

Lol

#27 Edited by MK-Professor (3666 posts) -

15% is still a bigger number than all the ps4's. just saying.

However 15% is still a small number if you consider that with ONLY $190 you can get a GPU that is two times more powerful than PS4 GPU.

#28 Edited by kipsta77 (910 posts) -

Different day....same old peasant argument.

I've never even done the Steam hardware survey, bud.

#29 Posted by TheEroica (13221 posts) -

People who build and upgrade their rigs do so to stay on the upper end of the performance scale...

People who buy a console know they are stagnating for an extended period of time.

85% today

80% tomorrow

50% next year

25% in five years

Obviously not scientific in anyway but for some reason consolites enjoy picking fights with pc gamers at the beginning of a gen, but disappear by the end.

*disclaimer* I own a gaming laptop and use it mostly for older gen stuff and indies... I just don't see the point in fighting a losing battle when we all know how it'll turn out in a few years.

#30 Edited by MlauTheDaft (3175 posts) -

Where does a GTX770 4GB place me?

I propose that this becomes a thread about GPU e-peens and casual conversation.

#31 Posted by clyde46 (43955 posts) -

Where does a GTX770 4GB place me?

I propose that this becomes a thread about GPU e-peens and casual conversation.

Lower than my 780Ti.

#32 Posted by Evo_nine (1596 posts) -

As an owner of all three systems I can say that I use my PC 90% of the time.

Nothing beats it as a multimedia and gaming system.

#33 Edited by EducatingU_PCMR (526 posts) -

Also, no listing for AMD 200 series, no dual GPUs (7990, 690), no enthusiast as well (Titan line, 295x2), no latest AMD/NVIDIA mobile chips, so the % is probably bigger.

#34 Edited by AmazonTreeBoa (16744 posts) -

@10854 said:

@Suppaman100: man that is a funny gif

That gif is VERY old as is the info the TC is posting. Seems both him and you just crawled out from under a rock.

OT-At the end of the day, I couldn't give a shit what specs others have in their PC. I only care what I have in mine and mine is more powerful that the PS4.

#35 Posted by MlauTheDaft (3175 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@MlauTheDaft said:

Where does a GTX770 4GB place me?

I propose that this becomes a thread about GPU e-peens and casual conversation.

Lower than my 780Ti.

Wow, really?

#36 Posted by SolidGame_basic (16390 posts) -

I agree. Also, to the naysayers: the PS4 has plenty of games. Just because you bought a ps4 when you're not interested in its current games doesn't mean it has no games. You're just foolish for buying it in the first place.

#37 Posted by clyde46 (43955 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@MlauTheDaft said:

Where does a GTX770 4GB place me?

I propose that this becomes a thread about GPU e-peens and casual conversation.

Lower than my 780Ti.

Wow, really?

Me >> you.

#38 Posted by Gue1 (9350 posts) -

the master race will never admit that that they are the minority and all that sells on pc it's league of legends, minecraft and dota. You don't need high-end rigs to play any pf these shitty games.

#39 Edited by PimpHand_Gamer (157 posts) -

Beyond the survey, Nearly 87% globally of people that ever play games on a PC do not have very powerful hardware. Which would make sense since laptops outsell desktop PC's. As of a few short years ago globally it was well under 1% of consumers that purchased mid-high end level hardware components which may indicate that the number of PC builders of gaming capable hardware that would equal or outdo a PS4 was pretty darn low and likely has not gone up that much if at all since then. PC digital and retail game sales figures are only an indication of how well the market does, not how well those games run for everyone that buys them. Given that publishers like EA that posted game sales figure comparisons for BF3 indicate that just as many players ever online is equal and sometimes out does console in pure numbers which was around 2.2 million a few years back which is very good but most of them were likely playing at very low settings.

So the PC gaming market is doing great, sometimes better than consoles but all the indicators are quite clear that only maybe a small percentage of people per year in the English markets alone are capable of running games maxed out or close to that. Even maxed out, many PC games graphically in comparison to console is not immediately clear to most without snapshots and side by side comparison complete with red lines and circles to point them out....If you have to point it out in a screenshot, then it really doesn't matter much does it?

What is important is that each of you as an individual enjoys any particular game you buy whether it be 30fps on console or 300 fps on a PC since there are other factors involved besides game performance which makes up your preference or choice even if it is a concession. For me it's more about control input, for some games I'd rather use a kinect if its an option and others I may prefer a gamepad so I'll go with a console version over PC if the PC version only offers partial gamepad support or kb/mouse only ...it's whatever system has a control scheme I would prefer for that type of game which to me is far more enjoyable experience than graphics alone typically.

What is sad for me is that lately I've had more fun playing Kirby: Triple deluxe than I have both Steam and Console games this past month.

#40 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (15885 posts) -

Just curious. What are the numbers of console gamers who don't have an 8th gen console?

#41 Posted by AzatiS (7097 posts) -

The PS4 is roughly on par with, but probably better than, an HD7850. Counting all PCs accessing Steam (a good representative sample) with an HD7870/GTX 660 or higher you can see these make up only about 15% of all PCs.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

PC gaming peasants: "Bu...bu...bu...we are masterraceee!!!"

lol , someone is jealy!

#42 Edited by AzatiS (7097 posts) -
@jun_aka_pekto said:

Just curious. What are the numbers of console gamers who don't have an 8th gen console?

this is too complicated for trolls ! Like i need to upgrade my 6970 OC anytime soon !! I will though in a year or 2 when 4k gaming will be a trend. For now... why the hell to upgrade ?!! So a PS4 is better ? Because i run on extreme ( if i need to ) CPU settings OC or because i have 16GB system ram along with 2GB dedicated RAM for GPU ?

Consolites are funny ....

#43 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (15885 posts) -

@AzatiS said:
@jun_aka_pekto said:

Just curious. What are the numbers of console gamers who don't have an 8th gen console?

this is too complicated for trolls ! Like i need to upgrade my 6970 OC anytime soon !! I will though in a year or 2 when 4k gaming will be a trend. For now... why the hell to upgrade ?!! So a PS4 is better ? Because i run on extreme CPU settings OC or i have 16GB system ram along with 2GB dedicated RAM for GPU ?

Consolites are funny ....

I figure if all PS4, XB1, and WiiU owners were combined, they'd still fall short of that 15% of PC gamers who have significantly more powerful rigs than a PS4. That's not even taking into account those PC gamers who have at least parity with the XB1 or WiiU.

That means the rest of them are still plodding along with their PS3 (including myself) and/or 360.

#44 Posted by MlauTheDaft (3175 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@MlauTheDaft said:

@clyde46 said:

@MlauTheDaft said:

Where does a GTX770 4GB place me?

I propose that this becomes a thread about GPU e-peens and casual conversation.

Lower than my 780Ti.

Wow, really?

Me >> you.

Come to think of it, I appreciate your efforts towards achieving my previously stated proposal.

Your awesomeness just made my cat bite me.

#45 Posted by AzatiS (7097 posts) -

@AzatiS said:
@jun_aka_pekto said:

Just curious. What are the numbers of console gamers who don't have an 8th gen console?

this is too complicated for trolls ! Like i need to upgrade my 6970 OC anytime soon !! I will though in a year or 2 when 4k gaming will be a trend. For now... why the hell to upgrade ?!! So a PS4 is better ? Because i run on extreme CPU settings OC or i have 16GB system ram along with 2GB dedicated RAM for GPU ?

Consolites are funny ....

I figure if all PS4, XB1, and WiiU owners were combined, they'd still fall short of that 15% of PC gamers who have significantly more powerful rigs than a PS4. That's not even taking into account those PC gamers who have at least parity with the XB1 or WiiU.

That means the rest of them are still plodding along with their PS3 (including myself) and/or 360.

yeah true.

He is a troll let him be :P MY gpu is 4 years old and stand great for almost all current games. TC tries to troll by mentoning PS4s GPU ... Like in gaming RAM/CPU/Disk speeds doesnt matter in order to achieve great graphical results in gaming. If I go OC mode with my current rig ...probably ill beat the shit out of PS4 on same games but on paper ( by TCs logic ) PS4 >> my PC therefore ... PS4 is better... You cant win vs a troll , not a troll of that degree even :)

#46 Edited by DEadliNE-Zero0 (916 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

the master race will never admit that that they are the minority and all that sells on pc it's league of legends, minecraft and dota. You don't need high-end rigs to play any pf these shitty games.

We know we're the minority. Of course consoles will sell more. Too bad that's basically the only thing they do better than PC. Best part is that the sales don't even matter since you can't get any of the profits. Also, you don't need a PC to run games at 60fps?

#47 Posted by harry_james_pot (10294 posts) -

Meh, another steam survey thread.. Not everything with steam on it is a gaming pc, do you realize that?

#48 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38201 posts) -

Not better than mine and that's all I care about. Plus I have the PC and the PS4 combo

#49 Posted by MonsieurX (29159 posts) -

Meh, another steam survey thread.. Not everything with steam on it is a gaming pc, do you realize that?

Probably not.

Steam survey = used for gaming,duh!111

#50 Posted by uninspiredcup (7520 posts) -

But pc's have games.