PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Here's another example as to why that is...

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"IBM Interactive Ray-tracer (iRT) using three Sony Playstation3s (PS3) to render a model that is 75x more complex then those used in today's games. Ray-tracing is the rendering technique used by the film industry and is considered to complex for today's game systems. The code was written using IBM Cell SDK 2.0 on Linux. The iRT is totally scalable and only requires one Cell SPE to run. More PS3s = More SPEs = Higher client frame rates. All images are at least 720p 4x multi-sampled, with dynamic light sources, procedurally generated atmosphere, and dynamic shadows"

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-33982.aspx

Now obviously this was done using 3 PS3's but does it not make you fellow gamers wonder why they're not using 360's instead? I mean, 360's costs 200 dollars less than PS3's so why would they bother with the PS3 if they could save a few hundred bucks?

Im sick of hearing all this**** stuff from sony/imb

The day i have an acuall game playing on my ps3 that's as good as they say it is, i will thanks them for wasting 2 years of my life listing to them

It wasn't even using RSX, it was all Cell.l_The_DetoX_l

[QUOTE="l_The_DetoX_l"]It wasn't even using RSX, it was all Cell.DaddyDC650

Whoa, Nothing I've posted in this topic had anything to do with 360, so calm down a bit. And read more carefully, I said it DOESN'T use RSX, not that it Doesn't use CELL. 

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Because ray tracing is highly parallelizable floating point math, which is pretty much the only thing Cell is built for?

How is that not completely obvious?DaddyDC650

PS3 Real-time Ray-tracing

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"IBM Interactive Ray-tracer (iRT) using three Sony Playstation3s (PS3) to render a model that is 75x more complex then those used in today's games. Ray-tracing is the rendering technique used by the film industry and is considered to complex for today's game systems. The code was written using IBM Cell SDK 2.0 on Linux. The iRT is totally scalable and only requires one Cell SPE to run. More PS3s = More SPEs = Higher client frame rates. All images are at least 720p 4x multi-sampled, with dynamic light sources, procedurally generated atmosphere, and dynamic shadows"

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-33982.aspx

Now obviously this was done using 3 PS3's but does it not make you fellow gamers wonder why they're not using 360's instead? I mean, 360's costs 200 dollars less than PS3's so why would they bother with the PS3 if they could save a few hundred bucks?

DaddyDC650

Yet can that Cell create sales?

Didn't think so.

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Because ray tracing is highly parallelizable floating point math, which is pretty much the only thing Cell is built for?

How is that not completely obvious?lowe0

Yet can that Cell create sales?

Didn't think so.

darth-pyschosis

Actually, the CEll is in the process of hacking the government and assuming control of the military. Once complete, the world will have no choice but to buy the PS3 (or face nuclear annihilation :twisted: ).

I'm not saying that the 360 isn't a powerful machine because we both know it is. I'm just stating the obvious. The PS3 is more powerful than the 360.DaddyDC650

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]I'm not saying that the 360 isn't a powerful machine because we both know it is. I'm just stating the obvious. The PS3 is more powerful than the 360.lowe0

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]PS3 Real-time Ray-tracing

Quote:

"IBM Interactive Ray-tracer (iRT) using three Sony Playstation3s (PS3) to render a model that is 75x more complex then those used in today's games. Ray-tracing is the rendering technique used by the film industry and is considered to complex for today's game systems. The code was written using IBM Cell SDK 2.0 on Linux. The iRT is totally scalable and only requires one Cell SPE to run. More PS3s = More SPEs = Higher client frame rates. All images are at least 720p 4x multi-sampled, with dynamic light sources, procedurally generated atmosphere, and dynamic shadows"

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-33982.aspx

Now obviously this was done using 3 PS3's but does it not make you fellow gamers wonder why they're not using 360's instead? I mean, 360's costs 200 dollars less than PS3's so why would they bother with the PS3 if they could save a few hundred bucks?

darth-pyschosis

Yet can that Cell create sales?

Didn't think so.

I'm not an expert on all this technical flip flop, but from what I've read on the internet so far ever since the consoles were announced, is that PS3 and 360 almost parallel each other in power. Only difference being that Cell just works differently and can take advantage of more things. Not sure if it's correct, buy that's my understanding of it atleast. Oh and Bluray. Bluray is definetly a plus heading into the future. Sure its not needed now, but wouldn't you rather have it now instead of another console release within 3-4 years?l_The_DetoX_l

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]
Well it IS that simple because GAME developers have admitted that the PS3 is in fact more powerful. Even the editor-in-chief of Xbox 360 over @ IGN admitted to speaking with GAME developers and guess what? PS3 = more power. I can link you to the video if you would like? lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]
Well it IS that simple because GAME developers have admitted that the PS3 is in fact more powerful. Even the editor-in-chief of Xbox 360 over @ IGN admitted to speaking with GAME developers and guess what? PS3 = more power. I can link you to the video if you would like? DaddyDC650

Do me a huge favor.  Define how you mean "more powerful." :D

Further proving Cell as just a calculatordonut349

NO, it also adds a last-gen GPU. :lol:

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]
Well it IS that simple because GAME developers have admitted that the PS3 is in fact more powerful. Even the editor-in-chief of Xbox 360 over @ IGN admitted to speaking with GAME developers and guess what? PS3 = more power. I can link you to the video if you would like? beatzfreak69

Do me a huge favor. Define how you mean "more powerful." :D

I think all of us should sync our defintions on what powerful actually is. 

[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]
Well it IS that simple because GAME developers have admitted that the PS3 is in fact more powerful. Even the editor-in-chief of Xbox 360 over @ IGN admitted to speaking with GAME developers and guess what? PS3 = more power. I can link you to the video if you would like? l_The_DetoX_l

Do me a huge favor. Define how you mean "more powerful." :D

I think all of us should sync our defintions on what powerful actually is. 

Agreed, that is too loose of a word for this discussion...

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Because ray tracing is highly parallelizable floating point math, which is pretty much the only thing Cell is built for?

How is that not completely obvious?DaddyDC650

If every ps3 game was outperforming it's 360 counterpart, than I'd agree that it's obvious...but that doesn't seem to be the case.  All of this technical nonsense will never matter unless developers can put it too use, so threads like this are a waste of time.  We have to go with what is current, and that so far leads us to believe the 360 has the edge based on reviews.  When the ps3 changes that, than I will accept it...but until then the ps3 needs to show it's power before I believe it's there.

Everyone did notice that there was not one, not two, but THREE PS3's running that? How did that room stay cool enough for life to exist with 3 PS3s running that?!coreygames

Barbacue for a whole family reunion.  

Call me when someone has a thread about PS3 games being dropped off at stores for people to buy.  Is the PS3 more powerful than the 360? Sure, wtf, lets say its at least x2Bill Cosby more powerful than the 360. Is this extra power doing anyone a damn bit of good atm? No, its not. Tech threads are the worst threads on this entire forum, I would rather read the next manifesto from PS3_FTW than the most accurate tech thread around. Most people want games from their game systems not the smug self satisfying satisfaction that their system does 10% more g-flops than a rival system. I'm not saying the PS3 sux I think it will at some point be a great system I'm just saying tech threads make me want to puke.

Call me when someone has a thread about PS3 games being dropped off at stores for people to buy. Is the PS3 more powerful than the 360? Sure, wtf, lets say its at least x2Bill Cosby more powerful than the 360. Is this extra power doing anyone a damn bit of good atm? No, its not. Tech threads are the worst threads on this entire forum, I would rather read the next manifesto from PS3_FTW than the most accurate tech thread around. Most people want games from their game systems not the smug self satisfying satisfaction that their system does 10% more g-flops than a rival system. I'm not saying the PS3 sux I think it will at some point be a great system I'm just saying tech threads make me want to puke.

Riverwolf007

Since when was this topic talking about games? Please stay on topic. Discuss what's been presented, or just get out. I do agree games make the console, but that's not what this topic is about. This topic wasn't trying to say the PS3 is the supreme best console that everyone likes becuase it's fun and has games and that graphics make the game, it was just merely arguing that it was a more powerful console. 

[QUOTE="Crystal-Rush"]you could probably make a tech demo using ray tracing on the PS3 but no way in hell could you do a whole game using it...so why don't you go back to your herd retardd3thm0nkey

LOL..hehe

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

Call me when someone has a thread about PS3 games being dropped off at stores for people to buy. Is the PS3 more powerful than the 360? Sure, wtf, lets say its at least x2Bill Cosby more powerful than the 360. Is this extra power doing anyone a damn bit of good atm? No, its not. Tech threads are the worst threads on this entire forum, I would rather read the next manifesto from PS3_FTW than the most accurate tech thread around. Most people want games from their game systems not the smug self satisfying satisfaction that their system does 10% more g-flops than a rival system. I'm not saying the PS3 sux I think it will at some point be a great system I'm just saying tech threads make me want to puke.

l_The_DetoX_l

Since when was this topic talking about games? Please stay on topic. Discuss what's been presented, or just get out. I do agree games make the console, but that's not what this topic is about. This topic wasn't trying to say the PS3 is the supreme best console that everyone likes becuase it's fun and has games and that graphics make the game, it was just merely arguing that it was a more powerful console. 

Further proving Cell as just a calculatordonut349

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Because ray tracing is highly parallelizable floating point math, which is pretty much the only thing Cell is built for?

How is that not completely obvious?bezaire2005

If every ps3 game was outperforming it's 360 counterpart, than I'd agree that it's obvious...but that doesn't seem to be the case.  All of this technical nonsense will never matter unless developers can put it too use, so threads like this are a waste of time.  We have to go with what is current, and that so far leads us to believe the 360 has the edge based on reviews.  When the ps3 changes that, than I will accept it...but until then the ps3 needs to show it's power before I believe it's there.

[QUOTE="l_The_DetoX_l"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

Call me when someone has a thread about PS3 games being dropped off at stores for people to buy. Is the PS3 more powerful than the 360? Sure, wtf, lets say its at least x2Bill Cosby more powerful than the 360. Is this extra power doing anyone a damn bit of good atm? No, its not. Tech threads are the worst threads on this entire forum, I would rather read the next manifesto from PS3_FTW than the most accurate tech thread around. Most people want games from their game systems not the smug self satisfying satisfaction that their system does 10% more g-flops than a rival system. I'm not saying the PS3 sux I think it will at some point be a great system I'm just saying tech threads make me want to puke.

Riverwolf007

Since when was this topic talking about games? Please stay on topic. Discuss what's been presented, or just get out. I do agree games make the console, but that's not what this topic is about. This topic wasn't trying to say the PS3 is the supreme best console that everyone likes becuase it's fun and has games and that graphics make the game, it was just merely arguing that it was a more powerful console.

Have you even read my opinions on the matters discussed on this topic? I was merely just trying to get you on topic.

Everyone did notice that there was not one, not two, but THREE PS3's running that? How did that room stay cool enough for life to exist with 3 PS3s running that?!coreygames

Looks to me like another case of "Looks good on paper but..." whatever.

Until I see more concrete proof of the PS3's power in terms of RELEASED GAMES, I'm not buying. So far the XBox360 has had me sold with its games, not to mention the backing of well reputed developers like John Carmack.Sailor_Enlil

Call me when someone has a thread about PS3 games being dropped off at stores for people to buy. Is the PS3 more powerful than the 360? Sure, wtf, lets say its at least x2Bill Cosby more powerful than the 360. Is this extra power doing anyone a damn bit of good atm? No, its not. Tech threads are the worst threads on this entire forum, I would rather read the next manifesto from PS3_FTW than the most accurate tech thread around. Most people want games from their game systems not the smug self satisfying satisfaction that their system does 10% more g-flops than a rival system. I'm not saying the PS3 sux I think it will at some point be a great system I'm just saying tech threads make me want to puke.

Riverwolf007