PS 3 slow start v.s. Xbox One slow start

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#1 Posted by Shielder7 (5191 posts) -

A lot of people are comparing the Xbox Ones slow start to the PS 3s saying the PS 3 caught up at the end, but why do people assume the same things going to happen to the Xbox One?

Remember the PS 3 had the Blu-ray player going for it as well free online, and they still had to really bring the games while MS took a back seat and let 3rd party pick up the slack because their console was so easy to develop for and was cheaper.

Now the shoes on the other foot, the PS 4 is more powerful, easier to develop for and cheaper, but the Xbox one doesn't seem to have anything over the PS 4. They both have Blu-ray players, they both Charge for Online (Xbox One more) and neither one has stronger foot in the games department.

#2 Posted by Mr_Huggles_dog (2727 posts) -

PS3 slow start was b/c it came out a year too late.

X1 slow start is b/c high price including and forcing an over glorified webcam and inferior hardware.

#3 Posted by blamix99 (2575 posts) -

nope the Xbox One's future is dark, there is no light for it

#4 Posted by lostrib (42778 posts) -

Coming in, I thought this thread was comparing boot speed

#5 Posted by Shielder7 (5191 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

PS3 slow start was b/c it came out a year too late.

Oh yeah I forgot about that.

#7 Posted by manny280 (1990 posts) -

@geniobastardo: Your comparing a console that's been out for 9 months to one that's been out for 9 years. Brilliant.

#8 Posted by GTSaiyanjin2 (6017 posts) -

PS3 was also $599... But yeah unless MS starts paying off lots of 3rd party for exclusives, then I cant see them making any major come back.

#10 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (5237 posts) -

Free PSN wasn't that much of an advantage at the beginning, it needed A LOT of work.

Also the situation is much simpler for MS unlike PS3. The PS3 was expensive and difficult to develop for. With MS all they need to do is work on 1st party games. It's pretty clear. They don't have to convince 3rd parties like Nintendo do. A lot of their problems are potentially short term. They can see they door, all they have to do is walk through it. As for the price, like I say MS will drop the price at the first opportunity when it wouldn't look like bad PR, so I expect early next year.

While I'm not happy with the way MS has handled some things, I think people have painted a bleaker picture of their situation than it is, at pretty much every step of the way.

#11 Edited by shadiezz2012 (2452 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

PS3 slow start was b/c it came out a year too late.

X1 slow start is b/c high price including and forcing an over glorified webcam and inferior hardware.

this

#12 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (5237 posts) -
@shadiezz2012 said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

PS3 slow start was b/c it came out a year too late.

X1 slow start is b/c high price including and forcing an over glorified webcam and inferior hardware.

this

PS3s slow start was also because of the CELL. All development and porting took longer as well and for the first few years, with shocking results.

#13 Posted by Hate_me_now22 (24 posts) -

We can't forget that the X1 has yet to launch in many markets. Let's just wait and see.

#14 Posted by speedfog (3365 posts) -

599 US dollars

#15 Posted by stereointegrity (10843 posts) -

ps3 started a year late...was 200 dollars more...had zero games at launch and a year after...the playstation name is what carried it

#16 Posted by Kjranu (1284 posts) -

@Shielder7 said:

A lot of people are comparing the Xbox Ones slow start to the PS 3s saying the PS 3 caught up at the end, but why do people assume the same things going to happen to the Xbox One?

Remember the PS 3 had the Blu-ray player going for it as well free online, and they still had to really bring the games while MS took a back seat and let 3rd party pick up the slack because their console was so easy to develop for and was cheaper.

Now the shoes on the other foot, the PS 4 is more powerful, easier to develop for and cheaper, but the Xbox one doesn't seem to have anything over the PS 4. They both have Blu-ray players, they both Charge for Online (Xbox One more) and neither one has stronger foot in the games department.

They're not really comparable. PS3 came out a year after Xbox 360 while Xbox One came out just a week after PS4. Most people clearly prefer Sony's console this generation.

#17 Posted by TheEroica (14474 posts) -

There will be enough great games on xone to warrant a purchase just like the ps3 eventually found its stride, but I agree... the Xbox name doesn't carry as much weight globally as playstation does and the price/hardware issues of ps3 are not in xbox's advantage any longer. Unfortunately the game issue still is... but microsoft is in the same boat sooo....

In the end I don't see some massive swooping comeback to take place over a month or even a year. We must be smart enough to know this is a slow burn when you start a generation and in the end the npd's and media crates don't amount to anything more than system wars fodder.

#18 Posted by ohgeez (918 posts) -

Despite the slow start, the ps3 actually sold worldwide at a higher rate than the 360 from the getgo. It just wasn't high enough to catch up quickly and took a number of years. On top of that, the 360 had a couple of amazing holidays which made it take longer.

Not saying the xbone won't catch up but it doesn't look as likely where the ps3 was a given if the rate of sales stayed the same.

#19 Edited by SolidGame_basic (19288 posts) -

X1 won't be pulling a PS3 this gen. It simply won't be able to catch up with PS4.

#20 Posted by Floppy_Jim (25834 posts) -

If we must compare crap to other crap, the one similarity is both will fall far, far short of original estimates, neither will bring about the end of Sony/MS in the console space like some melodramatic ninnies think they will and both should finish with a moderate to high number of units sold.

#21 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (6256 posts) -

Slow boot ups, like the three year old Kinect, are a next gen feature, cow.

#22 Posted by edwardecl (2239 posts) -

Xbox360 = Came out much earlier, cheaper, easier to develop for, more powerful GPU, better multi-plats overall, DVD drive, high failure rate, pay for online service, first price drop 9 months later. Sold more overall to gamers especially if you consider some PS3's are only bought to be Bluray players as it was the cheapest option for a while.

PS3 = Came out much later, much more expensive, Bluray drive, worse multi-plats overall, the only thing that carried it was the exclusives and the fact it didn't have a high failure rate and only really sold after newer models with a price drop came out 1 year later, free online service. Sold less overall.

Xbox One = Came about about the same time, more expensive, worse multi-plats, Kinect Sports Rivals & Fighter Within are the only games to sell the Kinect to the gamers to justify the higher asking price, have you seen Titanfall? Kinect dropped & price dropped accordingly 5 months later with no difference to sales, possible future price cut, or people waiting for one, banking on some good exclusives to fix it's situation. Getting outsold ~2:1.

PS4 = Came out about the same time, cheaper, better multi-plats, has some good exclusives in the pipeline, slightly easier to develop for, no price drop or a reason for one, perhaps a new model incoming?, VR headset in the pipeline (some people might like it?), nothing Microsoft has done has changed their marketing strategy much. Outselling ~2:1.

There isn't that much similarity between the PS3 and Xbox One situation besides the price and lower spec GPU. There seem to be more similarities between the current gen consoles, both are easy to develop for (get something running not optimisation), both use Bluray, both have pay for online, both seem to have good relaibility. Unless the Xbox One has some pretty outstanding exclusives nothing will sell it at the same rate as the PS4.

#23 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (9005 posts) -

The PS3 in the first few years had a less aggressive approach like Microsoft is doing with the ONE right now. Microsoft has the target lined up and will keep firing away to crack some new sales.

#24 Posted by silversix_ (16194 posts) -

PS3 had future because it was powerful and all it needed is a price drop. What X1 needs is everything inside the console. Even if the system drop to $300 why buy it? What are you gonna do wait 2-3 per halo and play multiplats in 720-792p? Console is worthless even as a secondary system.

#25 Posted by DEadliNE-Zero0 (5063 posts) -

Oh look, it's Shielder. For a second, you'd think he'd make a thread that's not about trying to make the xbone and pc look bad. And it's another sales war thread.

#26 Posted by delete-EasyComeEasyGo (382 posts) -

Everyone needs to remember that Sony got over and I mean over confident that they think that gamers will buy PS3 because PS2 was the number one console. Sony price it so high over Xbox 360 into thinking that gamers will run up and buy PS3 for $499-599 making it the must expensive console to date. They also thought that nobody would buy Xbox 360 just because the original Xbox was not popular, that was only because Xbox came late when PS2 was release and MS was still new to the gaming world. Sony was hoping for the hype to follow like PS2 was but the price was the issue and Sony learn that mistake by not pricing PS4 high and they did learn and MS is doing what Sony did with PS3. I tell ya, MS didn't learn Sony mistakes and now they are paying the price.

#27 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

You can't compare the two really. The PS3's slow start was due to the high price tag.

#29 Posted by StormyJoe (6549 posts) -

@Shielder7 said:

A lot of people are comparing the Xbox Ones slow start to the PS 3s saying the PS 3 caught up at the end, but why do people assume the same things going to happen to the Xbox One?

Remember the PS 3 had the Blu-ray player going for it as well free online, and they still had to really bring the games while MS took a back seat and let 3rd party pick up the slack because their console was so easy to develop for and was cheaper.

Now the shoes on the other foot, the PS 4 is more powerful, easier to develop for and cheaper, but the Xbox one doesn't seem to have anything over the PS 4. They both have Blu-ray players, they both Charge for Online (Xbox One more) and neither one has stronger foot in the games department.

Translation: I and Shielder7, and I want the PS4 to win. Oh GOD, please don't let the XBoxOne pass the PS4! Please!!!!

#30 Posted by Boddicker (3114 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

PS3 slow start was b/c it came out a year too late.

X1 slow start is b/c high price including and forcing an over glorified webcam and inferior hardware.

He has a point.

Basically with the PS3 and 360 we had very similar systems with minimal differences in specs. Just one was easier to develop for (360) while the other took some wrestling to get down (teh cell).

Now thanks to that dumbass Don Mattrick we ended up with a system that at it's reveal I heard only 3 things:

1) TV

2) Sports

3) CoD

It's like they thought they knew their own audience but failed to take into account that most early adopters are gamers at heart and not dudebros. Maybe if they had a deal with the cable companies to use the X1 as a cable box they would have had something. But no, you still have to pay/rent the cable box! If that wasn't enough the initial price with Kinect was $100 more than the PS4 and the PS4 has a 20%-50% edge over the X1 depending on who you believe. Hell, even a 20% edge is nothing to sneeze at.

Now it appears MS has its tail between its legs and is hurrying up to bring the focus on games again and dropped Kinect which initially was "integral to the X1"(which lowered the price to be on par with the PS4).

Sony meanwhile has become almost apologetic after the $600 PS3 catastrophe. They released the PS4 to heaps of praise and it seems they learned their lesson with the $400 pricetag. They seem to be doing everything right.

This might actually be the first time a more powerful console wins.

#31 Posted by Shewgenja (11019 posts) -

@speedfog said:

599 US dollars

An XBone launched at 550, unless you think someone who buys a new console at launch won't be getting online service for it.

#32 Posted by jsmoke03 (13166 posts) -

well first off, i dont think xb1 had a bad start or a slow start for that matter, it just wasnt as good as ps4s.

now the difference is that, xb1 did all it can do to change the bad perceptions and practices with this console. it has price parity already....so other than taking more of a loss, its just the exclusive games that need to come out.

there are still a whole lot of lemmings that havent bought an xb1 and are still gaming on their 360....they are going to do fine. but im not sure yet of who is going to win between ps4 and xb1

#33 Edited by Heil68 (47197 posts) -

@speedfog said:

599 US dollars

Turned out to be the best value in gaming ever,

#34 Posted by Legend002 (7813 posts) -

Call me the prophet. Xbox One isn't going to even get close enough to smell the PS4's fart. The Xbox brand globally is weak outside the US. PS3 had a grip on all three major regions and that saved them.

#35 Posted by CDWJUSTIN (2078 posts) -

PS3 slow start was b/c it came out a year too late.

X1 slow start is b/c its just not as good

#36 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@Shielder7: FUD? This is why this forum sucks now. People like you.

Sony expected to sell 6 million units by the fiscal year ending in March 2007.[17] Only 3.68 million were sold, falling short of that mark.

X1: 5 + million sold. With some fiscal year left.

EDIT: X1 still launching in several more territories before the fiscal year is up.

#37 Posted by double_a73 (484 posts) -

@CDWJUSTIN said:

PS3 slow start was b/c it came out a year too late.

X1 slow start is b/c its just not as good

This. Let's not sit here and pretend. The PS3 has outsold the 360 since both have been available on the market. It's the sales from the head start (when it had ZERO next gen competition) that put the 360 in to second place last gen.

#38 Posted by TigerSuperman (3562 posts) -

@geniobastardo: No it wasn't.

#39 Posted by B4X (5660 posts) -

@b4x said:

@Shielder7: FUD? This is why this forum sucks now. People like you.

Sony expected to sell 6 million units by the fiscal year ending in March 2007.[17] Only 3.68 million were sold, falling short of that mark.

X1: 5 + million sold. With some fiscal year left.

EDIT: X1 still launching in several more territories before the fiscal year is up.

Come on dumbasses....Reply to this.

#40 Posted by Lionheart08 (15625 posts) -

This is just me, but I think more than past gens, the earlier adopters are the determining factor this gen. With both console's crusade to be more like a PC, the lines have already been blurred between the PS4 and XB1 with the lack of exclusives on both sides.

The only real game changer was going to be Titanfall and that didn't exactly work in Microsoft's favor.

#41 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (6256 posts) -

@StormyJoe said:

Translation: I and Shielder7, and I want the PS4 to win. Oh GOD, please don't let the XBoxOne pass the PS4! Please!!!!

No problem. It won't. Sorry StormyJoke.

#42 Edited by Shielder7 (5191 posts) -

@b4x said:

@Shielder7: FUD? This is why this forum sucks now. People like you.

Sony expected to sell 6 million units by the fiscal year ending in March 2007.[17] Only 3.68 million were sold, falling short of that mark.

X1: 5 + million sold. With some fiscal year left.

EDIT: X1 still launching in several more territories before the fiscal year is up.

Answer to what?

With a price drop and Titian fall it still wasn't able to out sell the PS 4 in a month and it's launching in territories that aren't pro Xbox. Do you want the numbers to be parallel to a system that launched over 7 years ago? If you don't think Xbox One is falling short of it's mark you're a sad little man.

#43 Posted by Shielder7 (5191 posts) -

@StormyJoe said:

Translation: I and Shielder7, and I want the PS4 to win. Oh GOD, please don't let the XBoxOne pass the PS4! Please!!!!

Is there new news Xbox one sales nipping at PS 4 sales or something? Why would I be hoping for something not to happen that's obviously not happening anyway.

#44 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@Shielder7 said:

@b4x said:

@Shielder7: FUD? This is why this forum sucks now. People like you.

Sony expected to sell 6 million units by the fiscal year ending in March 2007.[17] Only 3.68 million were sold, falling short of that mark.

X1: 5 + million sold. With some fiscal year left.

EDIT: X1 still launching in several more territories before the fiscal year is up.

Answer to what?

With a price drop and Titian fall it still wasn't able to out sell the PS 4 in a month and it's launching in territories that aren't pro Xbox. Do you want the numbers to be parallel to a system that launched over 7 years ago? If you don't think Xbox One is falling short of it's mark you're a sad little man.

Does that make your hyperbole any more relevant?

PS3 came off of PS2 sales numbers.....Still only managed 3.6 in it's first year. You're dumb as a box of rocks.

The PS4 is the fastest selling console to date. Trying to base the success of a product off of those numbers is wrong.

The sales numbers of the PS4 do NOT dictate the failure of a system that has sold 5+ million consoles in less than a fiscal year.

Your dumbass analogy would mean the PS3 and X360 were failures compared to the Wii sales.

Stupid fud / hyperbole at it's finest.

You're the reason this forum sucks... for many gaming fans.

With your stupid ass irrelevant console poll from a couple days ago. Then this masterpiece of a thread just seals the deal.

/shit poster

#45 Edited by Shielder7 (5191 posts) -

@b4x said:

@Shielder7 said:

@b4x said:

@Shielder7: FUD? This is why this forum sucks now. People like you.

Sony expected to sell 6 million units by the fiscal year ending in March 2007.[17] Only 3.68 million were sold, falling short of that mark.

X1: 5 + million sold. With some fiscal year left.

EDIT: X1 still launching in several more territories before the fiscal year is up.

Answer to what?

With a price drop and Titian fall it still wasn't able to out sell the PS 4 in a month and it's launching in territories that aren't pro Xbox. Do you want the numbers to be parallel to a system that launched over 7 years ago? If you don't think Xbox One is falling short of it's mark you're a sad little man.

Does that make your hyperbole any more relevant?

PS3 came off of PS2 sales numbers.....Still only managed 3.6 in it's first year. You're dumb as a box of rocks.

The PS4 is the fastest selling console to date. Trying to base the success of a product off of those numbers is wrong.

The sales numbers of the PS4 do NOT dictate the failure of a system that has sold 5+ million consoles in less than a fiscal year.

Your dumbass analogy would mean the PS3 and X360 were failures compared to the Wii sales.

Stupid fud / hyperbole at it's finest.

You're the reason this forum sucks... for many gaming fans.

With your stupid ass irrelevant console poll from a couple days ago. Then this masterpiece of a post just seals the deal.

/shit poster

LMAO

#46 Posted by B4X (5660 posts) -

@Shielder7:

I would rather be bothered by stupid, than be stupid.

/dumbass

#47 Edited by Shielder7 (5191 posts) -

@b4x said:

@Shielder7:

I would rather be bothered by stupid, than be stupid.

/dumbass

#48 Posted by Mr_Huggles_dog (2727 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

PS3 slow start was b/c it came out a year too late.

X1 slow start is b/c high price including and forcing an over glorified webcam and inferior hardware.

The ps3's slow start was also due to its ridiculous launch price. It wasn't until the price drops that the console started selling.

While true that the Cell and price were main reason why sony had a slow start...the ultimate reason why the PS3 had a slow start....was b/c it started late.

Think about it. If it had came out at the same time....when the economy was what it was....and had a Blu Ray drive....with the history that the PS2 had....do you not think that many ppl would have bought it?

Soooooo many ppl already had a 360....by that time LIVE was a staple and all cool kids were on the 360.

#50 Edited by cainetao11 (19543 posts) -

Because fanboys are idiots? Sony with the PS3 also had the benefit of two straight generations in which they were the overwhelming favorite around the world. Xbox had a strong gen last gen, but it by no means has the benefits that PS3 had