Phill Spencer: dx12 aid xbox to realize PDZ to Halo4 gains

#1 Edited by kbanna (665 posts) -
#2 Edited by Couth_ (10061 posts) -

Your title is a lie m8. He didn't say that. Don't be putting words in Phil Spenny's mouth

#3 Posted by lglz1337 (3450 posts) -

nooo philly stop don't join the GFX debat stick woth the game plan. goddamnit

#4 Posted by kbanna (665 posts) -

@Couth_ said:

Your title is a lie m8. He didn't say that. Don't be putting words in Phil Spenny's mouth

Huh?

#6 Edited by gta50419 (334 posts) -

Games in 3-4 years will make games like bf4 and ryse look like last gen, no doubt....

#7 Posted by Opus_Rea-333 (976 posts) -

@lglz1337 said:

nooo philly stop don't join the GFX debat stick woth the game plan. goddamnit

Hahahah that denial at least hide it a bit.

#8 Edited by Opus_Rea-333 (976 posts) -

@kbanna said:

@Couth_ said:

Your title is a lie m8. He didn't say that. Don't be putting words in Phil Spenny's mouth

Huh?

Hes a Sony drone what did you expect? hes trying to derail the thread since thanks to that Spencer comment, Well thats a hint that DX12 will be a game changer for Xbox One.

But as we know PS4 graphics will also improve, By how much we dont know yet.

But yea the title of the thread need to be changed. At least abit.

#9 Edited by SolidTy (42823 posts) -

Oh no, more PR from sources that don't understand tech. It's almost as if the fans are begging to be confused and PR guys just grant the wish.

I want games for Xbone, bring the games. Not interested in PR from any company (Xbox PR , Nintendo PR, Playstation PR).

@Couth_ said:

Your title is a lie m8. He didn't say that. Don't be putting words in Phil Spenny's mouth

Yes. Phil said one thing (still PR), the title says another. No good.

#10 Posted by silversix_ (14299 posts) -

Wake the fk up. Your system can't run CoD Ghosts... This is all that needs to be said

#11 Posted by kbanna (665 posts) -

@kbanna said:

@Couth_ said:

Your title is a lie m8. He didn't say that. Don't be putting words in Phil Spenny's mouth

Huh?

Hes a Sony drone what did you expect? hes trying to derail the thread since thanks to that Spencer comment, Well thats a hint that DX12 will be a game changer for Xbox One.

But as we know PS4 graphics will also improve, By how much we dont know yet.

Yeah I think both will improve. Maybe ps4 will stay ahead of the curve...who knows. I just want some true next gen experiences cause so far I'm unimpressed with both systems. Graphics are cool,,,but what else? I want something that plays and feels like next Gen gameplay as well as graphics.

I think people are loosing site of the bigger issue with this resolutiongate nonsense. If you are paying another $400 to $500 dollars for a new machine, you should be getting some "Avatar" type experiences from these machines. (not really , but you get my point)

#12 Posted by scatteh316 (4909 posts) -

@kbanna said:

@Opus_Rea-333 said:

@kbanna said:

@Couth_ said:

Your title is a lie m8. He didn't say that. Don't be putting words in Phil Spenny's mouth

Huh?

Hes a Sony drone what did you expect? hes trying to derail the thread since thanks to that Spencer comment, Well thats a hint that DX12 will be a game changer for Xbox One.

But as we know PS4 graphics will also improve, By how much we dont know yet.

Yeah I think both will improve. Maybe ps4 will stay ahead of the curve...who knows. I just want some true next gen experiences cause so far I'm unimpressed with both systems. Graphics are cool,,,but what else? I want something that plays and feels like next Gen gameplay as well as graphics.

I think people are loosing site of the bigger issue with this resolutiongate nonsense. If you are paying another $400 to $500 dollars for a new machine, you should be getting some "Avatar" type experiences from these machines. (not really , but you get my point)

Won't happen dude, we've been at the point now where in terms of gameplay mechanics there's been nothing holding developers back for years.

360 and PS3 easily have the power to enable any game play you can get on PS4 and Xbone, granted they won't look as pretty while doing it but it can be done.

#13 Edited by EnergyAbsorber (4893 posts) -
@kbanna said:

@Couth_ said:

Your title is a lie m8. He didn't say that. Don't be putting words in Phil Spenny's mouth

Huh?

He means you just worded it differently in your thread title.

I don't think he meant that DX12 will immediately make the difference like PD0 to Halo 4. DX12 will help make that difference from the start of the gen to the end of the gen. I think that's what he's trying to say but I could be wrong..

#14 Edited by CrashNBurn281 (391 posts) -

Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

#15 Edited by Couth_ (10061 posts) -

@kbanna said:

@Couth_ said:

Your title is a lie m8. He didn't say that. Don't be putting words in Phil Spenny's mouth

Huh?

He did not say "DX 12 Xbox 1 = Diff between PDZ and Halo4".. He said as developers learn the hardware and API, games look better, and DX12 will help.

Thought your OP was a troll but you really lack reading comprehension lol

#16 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (4647 posts) -

Games at the end of the gen look better than games at the start of the gen? No shit, Phil.

Are lemmings actually falling for this PR?

#17 Posted by kbanna (665 posts) -

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Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

Where did I say anything about secrete sauce? You Sony fans need to chill with that shit. Its getting old and corny. Any advancements that are even hinted at as it relates to the xbox is immediately labled "secrete sauce" and dismissed. Like we witnessed the best this machine has to offer 4 months in.

Bunch of hypocritical morons. MS , just like Sony last gen, made bets on their tech this gen. The cloud may very well be bullshit, same with DX12, and esram...but these are technologies they chose to integrate into their system and there is nothing wrong with letting it play out. If they fail , they fail.

But what's interesting and down right hypocritical .....is last gen when Sony bet on "the cell" and how "Blu-ray was suppose to be better for gaming" (remember that??) I did not see one xbox fan screaming "Secrete Sauce" in every single thread that parroted Sony's tech 4 months in.

#18 Posted by kbanna (665 posts) -

@Couth_ said:

@kbanna said:

@Couth_ said:

Your title is a lie m8. He didn't say that. Don't be putting words in Phil Spenny's mouth

Huh?

He did not say "DX 12 Xbox 1 = Diff between PDZ and Halo4".. He said as developers learn the hardware and API, games look better, and DX12 will help.

Thought your OP was a troll but you really lack reading comprehension lol

No trick, you try making a thread with what you just said as the title.

Some one asked him specifically how dx12 would benefit the xbox. This was his answer. Seems He specifically mentioned DX 12 aiding in getting to that result. Which is what the title implied.

#19 Posted by CrashNBurn281 (391 posts) -

@kbanna said:

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@crashnburn281 said:

Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

Where did I say anything about secrete sauce? You Sony fans need to chill with that shit. Its getting old and corny. Any advancements that are even hinted at as it relates to the xbox is immediately labled "secrete sauce" and dismissed. Like we witnessed the best this machine has to offer 4 months in.

Bunch of hypocritical morons. MS , just like Sony last gen, made bets on their tech this gen. The cloud may very well be bullshit, same with DX12, and esram...but these are technologies they chose to integrate into their system and there is nothing wrong with letting it play out. If they fail , they fail.

But what's interesting and down right hypocritical .....is last gen when Sony bet on "the cell" and how "Blu-ray was suppose to be better for gaming" (remember that??) I did not see one xbox fan screaming "Secrete Sauce" in every single thread that parroted Sony's tech 4 months in.

Except your title indicates that Phil stated that DX12 would cause a jump in improvement like what was seen from PDZ to Halo 4. Making it sound like secret sauce. Which is not what he stated in the slightest.

Maybe you should reconsider your title if you do not want people misconstruing what you are intending on conveying.

#20 Posted by kbanna (665 posts) -

@kbanna said:

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@crashnburn281 said:

Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

Where did I say anything about secrete sauce? You Sony fans need to chill with that shit. Its getting old and corny. Any advancements that are even hinted at as it relates to the xbox is immediately labled "secrete sauce" and dismissed. Like we witnessed the best this machine has to offer 4 months in.

Bunch of hypocritical morons. MS , just like Sony last gen, made bets on their tech this gen. The cloud may very well be bullshit, same with DX12, and esram...but these are technologies they chose to integrate into their system and there is nothing wrong with letting it play out. If they fail , they fail.

But what's interesting and down right hypocritical .....is last gen when Sony bet on "the cell" and how "Blu-ray was suppose to be better for gaming" (remember that??) I did not see one xbox fan screaming "Secrete Sauce" in every single thread that parroted Sony's tech 4 months in.

Except your title indicates that Phil stated that DX12 would cause a jump in improvement like what was seen from PDZ to Halo 4. Making it sound like secret sauce. Which is not what he stated in the slightest.

Maybe you should reconsider your title if you do not want people misconstruing what you are intending on conveying.

Here was the original question he was answering;

"how beneficial will DX12 be for XB1 only? Minor, moderate or large gain? Don't need specifics, just curious as to the expected gain."

Why bring up DX12 at all if he is only implying normal generational gains that all consoles have 10 years in???? I read it as DX12 helping to get to that level of difference (pdz to halo4).

#21 Posted by kbanna (665 posts) -

@kbanna said:

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@crashnburn281 said:

Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

Where did I say anything about secrete sauce? You Sony fans need to chill with that shit. Its getting old and corny. Any advancements that are even hinted at as it relates to the xbox is immediately labled "secrete sauce" and dismissed. Like we witnessed the best this machine has to offer 4 months in.

Bunch of hypocritical morons. MS , just like Sony last gen, made bets on their tech this gen. The cloud may very well be bullshit, same with DX12, and esram...but these are technologies they chose to integrate into their system and there is nothing wrong with letting it play out. If they fail , they fail.

But what's interesting and down right hypocritical .....is last gen when Sony bet on "the cell" and how "Blu-ray was suppose to be better for gaming" (remember that??) I did not see one xbox fan screaming "Secrete Sauce" in every single thread that parroted Sony's tech 4 months in.

Except your title indicates that Phil stated that DX12 would cause a jump in improvement like what was seen from PDZ to Halo 4. Making it sound like secret sauce. Which is not what he stated in the slightest.

Maybe you should reconsider your title if you do not want people misconstruing what you are intending on conveying.

Ok Title is changed

#22 Posted by CrashNBurn281 (391 posts) -

@kbanna said:
@crashnburn281 said:

@kbanna said:

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@crashnburn281 said:

Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

Where did I say anything about secrete sauce? You Sony fans need to chill with that shit. Its getting old and corny. Any advancements that are even hinted at as it relates to the xbox is immediately labled "secrete sauce" and dismissed. Like we witnessed the best this machine has to offer 4 months in.

Bunch of hypocritical morons. MS , just like Sony last gen, made bets on their tech this gen. The cloud may very well be bullshit, same with DX12, and esram...but these are technologies they chose to integrate into their system and there is nothing wrong with letting it play out. If they fail , they fail.

But what's interesting and down right hypocritical .....is last gen when Sony bet on "the cell" and how "Blu-ray was suppose to be better for gaming" (remember that??) I did not see one xbox fan screaming "Secrete Sauce" in every single thread that parroted Sony's tech 4 months in.

Except your title indicates that Phil stated that DX12 would cause a jump in improvement like what was seen from PDZ to Halo 4. Making it sound like secret sauce. Which is not what he stated in the slightest.

Maybe you should reconsider your title if you do not want people misconstruing what you are intending on conveying.

Here was the original question he was answering;

"how beneficial will DX12 be for XB1 only? Minor, moderate or large gain? Don't need specifics, just curious as to the expected gain."

Why bring up DX12 at all if he is only implying normal generational gains that all consoles have 10 years in???? I read it as DX12 helping to get to that level of difference (pdz to halo4).

Context is once again where his statement is key.

Phil answered the persons statement without actually giving a specific answer.

He referenced the start of a gen and the end of a gen and that teams learn a lot along the way. He then stated that DX12 would (HELP), then again referenced the start (PDZ) to the end (Halo 4).

#23 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (4647 posts) -

Of course there's no specifics. It wouldn't be Xbox if there were no specifics. 3 billion transistors! 2.7 million minutes! 20 million hours of fun!

#24 Posted by Twizded (97 posts) -

@kbanna said:

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@crashnburn281 said:

Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

Where did I say anything about secrete sauce? You Sony fans need to chill with that shit. Its getting old and corny. Any advancements that are even hinted at as it relates to the xbox is immediately labled "secrete sauce" and dismissed. Like we witnessed the best this machine has to offer 4 months in.

Bunch of hypocritical morons. MS , just like Sony last gen, made bets on their tech this gen. The cloud may very well be bullshit, same with DX12, and esram...but these are technologies they chose to integrate into their system and there is nothing wrong with letting it play out. If they fail , they fail.

But what's interesting and down right hypocritical .....is last gen when Sony bet on "the cell" and how "Blu-ray was suppose to be better for gaming" (remember that??) I did not see one xbox fan screaming "Secrete Sauce" in every single thread that parroted Sony's tech 4 months in.

They say secret sauce because, lems. Act like it will make th X1 even with the PS4 (Never going to happen!). They have every right making fun of them for that.

#25 Posted by FastRobby (1497 posts) -

Wake the fk up. Your system can't run CoD Ghosts... This is all that needs to be said

Read a book

#26 Posted by silversix_ (14299 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

Wake the fk up. Your system can't run CoD Ghosts... This is all that needs to be said

Read a book

Reading books is for teh girlz.

#27 Posted by kuu2 (7134 posts) -

Cows jimmys rustled whenever DX12 and improvements are discussed.

#28 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (4647 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

Cows jimmys rustled whenever DX12 and improvements are discussed.

Predictable shitposting from kuu2 as per.

#29 Posted by rrjim1 (876 posts) -

@twizded said:

@kbanna said:

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@crashnburn281 said:

Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

Where did I say anything about secrete sauce? You Sony fans need to chill with that shit. Its getting old and corny. Any advancements that are even hinted at as it relates to the xbox is immediately labled "secrete sauce" and dismissed. Like we witnessed the best this machine has to offer 4 months in.

Bunch of hypocritical morons. MS , just like Sony last gen, made bets on their tech this gen. The cloud may very well be bullshit, same with DX12, and esram...but these are technologies they chose to integrate into their system and there is nothing wrong with letting it play out. If they fail , they fail.

But what's interesting and down right hypocritical .....is last gen when Sony bet on "the cell" and how "Blu-ray was suppose to be better for gaming" (remember that??) I did not see one xbox fan screaming "Secrete Sauce" in every single thread that parroted Sony's tech 4 months in.

They say secret sauce because, lems. Act like it will make th X1 even with the PS4 (Never going to happen!). They have every right making fun of them for that.

Hardware won't do shit without great software. Sony always = piss poor software!

#30 Posted by indigenous_euphoria (152 posts) -

@kbanna said:

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@crashnburn281 said:

Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

Where did I say anything about secrete sauce? You Sony fans need to chill with that shit. Its getting old and corny. Any advancements that are even hinted at as it relates to the xbox is immediately labled "secrete sauce" and dismissed. Like we witnessed the best this machine has to offer 4 months in.

Bunch of hypocritical morons. MS , just like Sony last gen, made bets on their tech this gen. The cloud may very well be bullshit, same with DX12, and esram...but these are technologies they chose to integrate into their system and there is nothing wrong with letting it play out. If they fail , they fail.

But what's interesting and down right hypocritical .....is last gen when Sony bet on "the cell" and how "Blu-ray was suppose to be better for gaming" (remember that??) I did not see one xbox fan screaming "Secrete Sauce" in every single thread that parroted Sony's tech 4 months in.

Well said!

#31 Posted by lglz1337 (3450 posts) -

don't start the GFX battle MS you loose stay with games, games, games mantra

#32 Posted by SecretPolice (21776 posts) -

The new Halo will be the new graphics king and as always, game play king as well. :P

Anyhooey, yeah, like always we'll see a nice progression from start of gen until end of gen. Still, wish these new consoles wouldn't have launched till this year and be at least twice as potent but eh, I'll likely pick One late this year if I find the right deal.

#33 Posted by misterpmedia (3380 posts) -

@rrjim1 said:

@twizded said:

@kbanna said:

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@crashnburn281 said:

Misleading title. Phil stated that you would see similar improvements over the generation as you had last, and that DX12 would help with that.

He didn't say it would be secret sauce. Damn people need to read things in context.

Where did I say anything about secrete sauce? You Sony fans need to chill with that shit. Its getting old and corny. Any advancements that are even hinted at as it relates to the xbox is immediately labled "secrete sauce" and dismissed. Like we witnessed the best this machine has to offer 4 months in.

Bunch of hypocritical morons. MS , just like Sony last gen, made bets on their tech this gen. The cloud may very well be bullshit, same with DX12, and esram...but these are technologies they chose to integrate into their system and there is nothing wrong with letting it play out. If they fail , they fail.

But what's interesting and down right hypocritical .....is last gen when Sony bet on "the cell" and how "Blu-ray was suppose to be better for gaming" (remember that??) I did not see one xbox fan screaming "Secrete Sauce" in every single thread that parroted Sony's tech 4 months in.

They say secret sauce because, lems. Act like it will make th X1 even with the PS4 (Never going to happen!). They have every right making fun of them for that.

Hardware won't do shit without great software. Sony always = piss poor software!

Nice bad opinion there, friendo. Shame it's not fact like you want it to be so bad, heh.