Phil Fish: YouTubers need to give a huge cut to devs

#51 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13719 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride

Yeah I never did quite get that, why is he making more noise than somebody who actually is working on games right about now....

Maybe he just needs a hug.

#52 Posted by getyeryayasout (7604 posts) -

I understand his frustration, but games are interactive. Simply passively watching a game is not the same as getting the experience of actually playing a game, while watching a movie is exactly like the experience of watching a movie. Dry those tears Phil. No more cry-cry.

#53 Edited by uninspiredcup (9006 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:
@R3FURBISHED said:
@lostrib said:

Isn't this the dumbass that cancelled his game and left the industry because the media hurt his wittle feelings?

Its not that simple, what the public said about him was beyond reproach -- just horrid things in every way. The reason because he delayed his game in order to finish it and because he cancelled Fez 2 because of what terrible things gamers said about him.

i wonder how 'complete' fez 2 was in order for him to cancel it in a huff.

i mean, it's a huge investment of time, effort and energy - video game production. i reckon the game was probably barely past the conceptual stage, otherwise who's going to toss away that amount of work because someone on the internet behaved like a person on the internet?

surely if the game was at something like alpha/beta testing and debugging stage, he wouldn't go tossing aside a project that far into completion.

Probably looking for an excuse not to finish it,. As this generation is full of self entitled lazy little shits unwilling to put in graft.

Can you imagine an asshole like this working on a oil rig 12 hours a day?

#54 Posted by lamprey263 (24232 posts) -

I thought this guy quit making game, figured he'd moved on to shooting up heroin full time.

#55 Posted by toast_burner (21790 posts) -

@nutcrackr said:

I think there is some merit to what he is saying but it's a really grey area. One question that should be asked is whether the actual use of lets plays reduce sales for games and I don't think there is any evidence of that. Some games like Goat Simulator see huge sales boosts when somebody like pewdiepie plays with it.

I've never heard anyone ever say that they lost sales due to youtube. But gaining sales seems to be very common

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/219122/Is_YouTube_killing_the_traditional_games_press.php

#56 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72475 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@The_Last_Ride

Yeah I never did quite get that, why is he making more noise than somebody who actually is working on games right about now....

Maybe he just needs a hug.

He needs to go away. I get that he put a lot of effort into Fez, but seriously, the guy is just stupid

#57 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13719 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride

Indeed.... But we're not exactly completely innocent in this matter.... So when Are we gona take responsibilty aswel ?

#58 Posted by AK_the_Twilight (285 posts) -

He came back to Twitter for like a day, then took down his profile again.

While I love the idea of video makers using gameplay to make cool videos (like JonTron, The Completionist, and Two Best Friends Play do), I have a problem with people making Let's Plays without any unique commentary or post-production editing, and claiming they have full rights to monetize the video. Even worse are those "it's free advertising" people, because that's a huge load. Let's face it: these "free advertising" preachers are not making these videos solely out of love for the game makers. If they were, they wouldn't care if they were making money or not; they'd do it for free, because that's free advertising.

The reason the "free advertising" argument is pushed is because the makers are downright lying about why they want to have the right to make videos with gameplay. Sure, you are advertising the game, but they need to stop pretending like they're doing this purely out of the goodness of their heart. They want a cut.

That being said, Phil has zero social skills and I think that people who make Youtube videos that actually require serious editing, post-production, and effort, should not have to pay a developer every cent they earn from the video.

#59 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72475 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@The_Last_Ride

Indeed.... But we're not exactly completely innocent in this matter.... So when Are we gona take responsibilty aswel ?

How are we not innocent. We bought his game, he made money. Markus Beer asked him about the infamous Xbox indie program and he refused to answer. So Markus Beer called him out and said we deserved an answer, he told Beer to fuck off and die

#60 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4895 posts) -
@uninspiredcup said:

Probably looking for an excuse not to finish it,. As this generation is full of self entitled lazy little shits unwilling to put in graft.

Can you imagine an asshole like this working on a oil rig 12 hours a day?

i agree. your average person today is pretty lazy, especially with their mind, they'll grab a calculator to work out 25 times 5.

maybe he just couldn't handle putting out another game, only for it to be criticised?

who knows. one thing's for sure, i can't accept he took that decision seriously if any real progress had been made on the game.

and to answer your oil rig question, yes i can imagine it, but it's not my sexiest imagination.

#61 Posted by clyde46 (46634 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@The_Last_Ride

Indeed.... But we're not exactly completely innocent in this matter.... So when Are we gona take responsibilty aswel ?

How are we not innocent. We bought his game, he made money. Markus Beer asked him about the infamous Xbox indie program and he refused to answer. So Markus Beer called him out and said we deserved an answer, he told Beer to fuck off and die

He reaped what he sowed, I will never buy a game made by Fish but I will pirate it and share it. Fuck Fish.

#62 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13719 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride

I just like Villanizing gamers.... :p. They desrve it.

#63 Posted by UnbiasedPoster (875 posts) -

I don't necessarily disagree with him. If the video makes monetary profit based off of the reaction to an asset created by someone else, then they probably deserve compensation. However, if the reaction is artificially created inside the gameworld (like Minecraft or Halo Machinima) then I don't think any compensation would be necessary. It's a case by case basis, and for a game like Fez, I definitely think it falls into the former category.

I wouldn't say "huge cut" is fair though.

#64 Edited by uninspiredcup (9006 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Probably looking for an excuse not to finish it,. As this generation is full of self entitled lazy little shits unwilling to put in graft.

Can you imagine an asshole like this working on a oil rig 12 hours a day?

i agree. your average person today is pretty lazy, especially with their mind, they'll grab a calculator to work out 25 times 5.

maybe he just couldn't handle putting out another game, only for it to be criticised?

who knows. one thing's for sure, i can't accept he took that decision seriously if any real progress had been made on the game.

and to answer your oil rig question, yes i can imagine it, but it's not my sexiest imagination.

Since he spends every 30 seconds googling himself (and as we type this shit out, he is, in all likelihood scouring the internet to find out what people is saying about him) it wouldn't be surprising if he was so egotistical he didn't want to risk a sequel to his "masterpiece".

It's pretty apparent from watching indie game the movie and his general behavior, regardless of how much he tries to make it out as a act, the dude is really into himself.

The whole tortured artists thing he done while watching indie game the movie made me think of shit like little girls in Africa having to walk 20 miles a day to get dirty water while he has a cry with his stylized mutton chops and cute meme T-shirt.

#65 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72475 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu: But, but, you're a gamer aswell!

@clyde46: don't know if that's the answer though

#66 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4895 posts) -

@uninspiredcup: wow. sounds like that movie might give me some more insight, i haven't seen it.

#67 Edited by uninspiredcup (9006 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:

@uninspiredcup: wow. sounds like that movie might give me some more insight, i haven't seen it.

If you live near a college or University, just wait for break and case out a bunch of hipsters gathered in a corner somewhere.

For that $20 you could buy Commando or The Rocky Collection.

#68 Posted by sherman-tank1 (8151 posts) -

That's like having a traveler youtuber going around and recording different places in the world and then having to pay the respective governments for having their property on the channel.

#69 Edited by f50p90 (3765 posts) -

@SexyJazzCat said:

@f50p90: Clearly you're wrong, otherwise youtube wouldn't allow monetization of such content.

Clearly you don't understand that this is a grey area which is why publishers and devs have an issue. Go and have a look at the terms yourself.. Again, developers don't care that videos/reviews/walkthroughs are put up. They care that they are gameplay is being MONETIZED and even by youtubes terms, they should not be monetized

#70 Posted by MuD3 (1285 posts) -

@nintendoboy16:

I agree with him... you can't do it with any other media, why is it okay for games?

#71 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13719 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride

I can handle alil hostility.... I think we need to get knocked down a knotch. Don't you ?

#72 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72475 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@The_Last_Ride

I can handle alil hostility.... I think we need to get knocked down a knotch. Don't you ?

Nope, i think some gamers need to check their entitlement at the door. Not everyone's a douche on the net

#73 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4895 posts) -
@The_Last_Ride said:

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@The_Last_Ride

I can handle alil hostility.... I think we need to get knocked down a knotch. Don't you ?

Nope, i think some gamers need to check their entitlement at the door. Not everyone's a douche on the net

exactly

there are about 6 or 7 non-douches

i love it when they're all online at the same time!

#74 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13719 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride

Theres not enough time to deal with the douches individually... So everybody should feel the burn.... I mean what are we doing to solve the problem other than say "Its not me" ?

#75 Posted by farrell2k (6378 posts) -

Fair use covers commentary, review, instruction, satire, etc. This clown is nuts.

#76 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72475 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@The_Last_Ride

Theres not enough time to deal with the douches individually... So everybody should feel the burn.... I mean what are we doing to solve the problem other than say "Its not me" ?

what problem?

#77 Posted by foxhound_fox (88776 posts) -

Lol Phil Fish.

#78 Posted by SexyJazzCat (989 posts) -

@f50p90: I understand fully. You're wrong about the developers/publishers having issues with this though. A large majority of publishers/developers don't really care, and actually encourage it. This is the reason why it's a grey area. Obviously the terms aren't enforced by youtube and most likely outdated. It doesn't make sense to have it in the terms.

#79 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13719 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride

All the problems.....

#80 Edited by f50p90 (3765 posts) -

@SexyJazzCat said:

@f50p90: I understand fully. You're wrong about the developers/publishers having issues with this though. A large majority of publishers/developers don't really care, and actually encourage it. This is the reason why it's a grey area. Obviously the terms aren't enforced by youtube and most likely outdated. It doesn't make sense to have it in the terms.

Lol first you said I was wrong. Then I provided proof and now you are saying the terms just aren't enforced. "Obviously" you don't really have any substantial knowledge on the matter. FWIW tons of gaming content was flagged a couple months back and there was a huge uproar. It's definitely enforced.

#81 Posted by handssss (1837 posts) -

1. fish is a moron

2. fish is a crybaby

3. We have laws making it perfectly legal to upload that gameplay under various circumstances

4. It's free advertisement for the devs, so they can shut the hell up.

#82 Posted by iloveatlus (285 posts) -

I bought One Finger Death Punch because of youtubers.

#83 Edited by Shinobishyguy (22489 posts) -

Phil can go choke on a bag of dicks

#84 Posted by melonfarmerz (1189 posts) -

That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Does fish even think before he talks?

You realize that if you allow that kind of Pewdie bait game to make serious money, Steam will be flooded with games like Goat Simulator and knockoffs of that. The entire youtube gaming scene is for kids looking for a cheap laugh (sorry seanmcloughlin) and is breeding a whole new genre. If we allow games like Goat Simulator to make serious money from Youtube, we are inviting devs to essentially get lazier and just make stupid, purposely glitchy games that would look well on Youtube.

#85 Posted by edwardecl (2239 posts) -

Watching a game and playing a game are two very different things... I agree with him if someone, say put up a trailer or copied videos he had made of the game and uploaded it with advertisements.

Depends on the context of the video, if it's a speed run or a review or taking the piss out of it or a playing through then whats the harm? Oh well he is on my do not give money to list.

#86 Posted by GreySeal9 (24506 posts) -

@Shinobishyguy said:

Phil can go choke on a bag of dicks

WTF has this guy done to make you guys so mad at him? I don't get it.

#87 Posted by SexyJazzCat (989 posts) -

@f50p90: You were right, happy? But do you blame me for having doubts, i mean despite the terms, thousands of people are still monetizing videos. Youtube came up with an automated system that flags videos based on it's content (It's been proven that the audio is at fault) even without the content owners word on the matter. There is no human involvement in this. That's not them enforcing anything. Most developers and publishers have made it very clear that they are not against the monetization of their content. My knowledge is based on the statements made by publishers/developers and the youtube partners themselves.

#88 Edited by Shinobishyguy (22489 posts) -

@GreySeal9: are you serious in asking this?

The accounts of his douchbaggery are all over the web

#89 Posted by GreySeal9 (24506 posts) -

@Shinobishyguy said:

@GreySeal9: are you serious in asking this?

The accounts of his douchbaggery are all over the web

I've heard all about him. His douchebaggery hardly warrants such an angry reaction.

#90 Edited by f50p90 (3765 posts) -

@SexyJazzCat said:

@f50p90: You were right, happy? But do you blame me for having doubts, i mean despite the terms, thousands of people are still monetizing videos. Youtube came up with an automated system that flags videos based on it's content (It's been proven that the audio is at fault) even without the content owners word on the matter. There is no human involvement in this. That's not them enforcing anything. Most developers and publishers have made it very clear that they are not against the monetization of their content. My knowledge is based on the statements made by publishers/developers and the youtube partners themselves.

I don't blame you for having doubts. I blame you for calling me out when I am in here providing information. I was only in here talking about the YouTube terms for monetization. It has to be original content. That's all I ever said. It's always been that way for music, movies and games

#91 Posted by cainetao11 (17766 posts) -

@ActicEdge said:

Just because you watch a let's play, doesn't mean someone was gonna buy your game. That's a HUGE leap in logic. Also, the commentary makes the Let's Play, no one watches those with shitty uninteresting people narrating.

But would they watch a black screen with Just the narration of someone playing?

#92 Posted by lostrib (37774 posts) -

@GreySeal9 said:

@Shinobishyguy said:

@GreySeal9: are you serious in asking this?

The accounts of his douchbaggery are all over the web

I've heard all about him. His douchebaggery hardly warrants such an angry reaction.

He may be poking fun at the fact that Phil Fish did tell everyone to suck on his dick and choke on it

#93 Posted by edwardecl (2239 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@Shinobishyguy said:

@GreySeal9: are you serious in asking this?

The accounts of his douchbaggery are all over the web

I've heard all about him. His douchebaggery hardly warrants such an angry reaction.

He may be poking fun at the fact that Phil Fish did tell everyone to suck on his dick and choke on it

Classy.

#94 Edited by -Karmum- (3774 posts) -

@lostrib said:

His twitter account before he deleted it

Not the biggest fan of his movie example. You can watch the movie illegally and not have to pay money -- boom. When is the next time you'll watch that movie again? Then watch a video game commentary, you're not stealing money from the developer, because you're not actually experiencing the game. You're watching someone else experience it. If you end up liking the game (from what you've seen), then you might buy it.

Sounds like he's fishing for money since he decided to cancel Fez 2 last year.

Yes, pun intended.

#95 Posted by darkspineslayer (19808 posts) -

Who let little phil out of the pram? He can come out once he's finished his temper tantrum. (so never)

#96 Edited by ArisShadows (22645 posts) -

This guy is such an idiot.

#97 Posted by TheEroica (13724 posts) -

Huzzah!

#98 Posted by santoron (7775 posts) -

@lostrib said:

Isn't this the dumbass that cancelled his game and left the industry because the media hurt his wittle feelings?

^^

And now he's deleted his twitter account after this rant, because feelings.

#99 Posted by foxhound_fox (88776 posts) -
@santoron said:

@lostrib said:

Isn't this the dumbass that cancelled his game and left the industry because the media hurt his wittle feelings?

^^

And now he's deleted his twitter account after this rant, because feelings.

lolwut?

Is he a 7 year old trapped in a man's body?

#100 Posted by CyberLips (1824 posts) -

I don't agree with him. Devs (or former devs in this case) need to realize that those types of videos are making people decide whether to buy their game or not. And frankly, i watch let's plays for the commentator, not the game.