Phil Fish Twitter Meltdown

#151 Edited by GoldenElementXL (3304 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@Revan_911 said:

Wow...basically a feminist developer had sex with five guys including journalists to get around in the industry and every website and reddit mod is trying to cover it up.

And these are the people that act like they have the moral high ground, call everyone sexist and hamper gaming development with their non issues.

DING DING DING DING!!

Gaming journalist are so full of shit. I feel stupid for ever believing otherwise.

Seeing the lengths some sites are going to keep this story off their boards is sickening. Come out and deny the claims and quit being cowards. Deleting threads and posts only makes you all look guilty.

#152 Edited by SolidTy (43887 posts) -
@jsmoke03 said:

lol ive been reading all his tweets....on one hand, i can understand where he is coming from....on the other hand, i just wish this guy should see the errors in how he presents it. im also misunderstood and often angry, but being combative isnt going to make life better. he is fighting the wrong fight despite the fact that its true that a lot of gamers are douches

Also, Fish's buddy banged the chick in question too.

#153 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72503 posts) -

Pretty much my opinion

#154 Posted by speedfog (3233 posts) -

This is awesome, laughed my ass off with this Phil Fish guy and what that girl did to her borfriend. Somewhat she deserves it.

#155 Edited by uninspiredcup (9020 posts) -

#156 Edited by lundy86_4 (43571 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride: He made some good points that I agree with. I don't outright disagree with Phil Fish' points, but he is a fucking d*ckwipe.

Phil Fish is an attention whore. Nothing more, nothing less.

#157 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

The problem with phil is that he's exactly the type of person he always complains about and says he hates. He's whiny and entitled.

He lives for drama and loves nothing more than when the internet actually pays attention to him. Fez is a great game and he loved hearing people praise it and when all that hype died down he started doing other shit that got him that sort of media attention. Sure he raises a good point here and there but he does so in the most asinine way possible and is a complete douche nozzle to a great many people.

Cancelling games just because people aren't nice to him is such an egotistical thing to do.

#158 Posted by uninspiredcup (9020 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

Cancelling games just because people aren't nice to him is such an egotistical thing to do.

The guy in that 5 whatever video pins a wholly different reason. One that seems far more creditable.

#159 Posted by lundy86_4 (43571 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin: Excellent point. It's funny how he "cancelled" some games this time around. I wonder... Did they actually exist?

#160 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (14473 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

The problem with phil is that he's exactly the type of person he always complains about and says he hates. He's whiny and entitled.

He lives for drama and loves nothing more than when the internet actually pays attention to him. Fez is a great game and he loved hearing people praise it and when all that hype died down he started doing other shit that got him that sort of media attention. Sure he raises a good point here and there but he does so in the most asinine way possible and is a complete douche nozzle to a great many people.

Cancelling games just because people aren't nice to him is such an egotistical thing to do.

Especially when you were never a pleasant person to interact with in the first place. You can't spit in someones face and expect be greeted warmly.

Although if you read through the tweets from people defending him, maybe that will just have to remain an enigma. They get shit on and still praise this asshole and not just his past work, but his behavior as a whole.

It's sickening.

#161 Posted by SambaLele (5424 posts) -
@GoldenElementXL said:

@Shewgenja said:

@Revan_911 said:

Wow...basically a feminist developer had sex with five guys including journalists to get around in the industry and every website and reddit mod is trying to cover it up.

And these are the people that act like they have the moral high ground, call everyone sexist and hamper gaming development with their non issues.

DING DING DING DING!!

Gaming journalist are so full of shit. I feel stupid for ever believing otherwise.

Seeing the lengths some sites are going to keep this story off their boards is sickening. Come out and deny the claims and quit being cowards. Deleting threads and posts only makes you all look guilty.

Same here.

One thing though, if all that's true, then she shows many signs of being a sociopath, in the sense of being anti-social, not liking other people (has no alterity, or "otherness" what-so-ever) and uses people for her own personal ambitions, suffering no moral repercussions (no guilt, no remorse, which is an expected common collateral effect of said actions), like shown in another post in this thread. The same would go for the guys that allegedly slept with her in exchange for professional favors.

#162 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72503 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@The_Last_Ride: He made some good points that I agree with. I don't outright disagree with Phil Fish' points, but he is a fucking d*ckwipe.

Phil Fish is an attention whore. Nothing more, nothing less.

People are begging him to make a sequel and he just tells them to fuck off? Just because he can

#163 Posted by lundy86_4 (43571 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@The_Last_Ride: He made some good points that I agree with. I don't outright disagree with Phil Fish' points, but he is a fucking d*ckwipe.

Phil Fish is an attention whore. Nothing more, nothing less.

People are begging him to make a sequel and he just tells them to fuck off? Just because he can

He needs a lesson in humility. Unfortunately, online interactions don't often provide that.

#164 Posted by mariokart97 (837 posts) -

This Phil Fish guy thinks we actually care about him cancelling some wacky indie-garbage he'll pull out of his ass. Hahaha funny.

#165 Posted by humanistpotato (533 posts) -

lol these type of people are making trolling so much more fun that it is :D

#166 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72503 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@The_Last_Ride: He made some good points that I agree with. I don't outright disagree with Phil Fish' points, but he is a fucking d*ckwipe.

Phil Fish is an attention whore. Nothing more, nothing less.

People are begging him to make a sequel and he just tells them to fuck off? Just because he can

He needs a lesson in humility. Unfortunately, online interactions don't often provide that.

He also told Marcus Beer to kill himself aswell

#167 Edited by MrYaotubo (2709 posts) -

Phil Fish is a moron always seeking for attention,what else is new.

The more important subject is how that woman is getting herself hooked up with gaming journalists that have promoted/defended/white knighted her and her product in the past and none of the traditional gaming press is even mentioning that anywhere,sweep it all under the rug.

#168 Posted by Heirren (17393 posts) -

@lundy86_4: I doubt it. Is it just me or does he act like FEZ was wholly his? Didn't others create the engine, etc? I bet there's no sequels because he actually can't program a game--he was simply the designer and took five years to make the levels.

Perhaps the deal--going off what I remember from that flick--was that fez could be released but the other members then retained the rights to the parts they played in its production.

If fish took x amount of time for a sequal and it was simply more levels, it'd get panned.

#169 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (14473 posts) -

"Years from now we'll look back on this week and wonder why we never kept better tabs on which penises Zoe Quinn had kept surreptitiously inside of her all along."

Neolaugh

#170 Edited by MrYaotubo (2709 posts) -

#171 Posted by toast_burner (21791 posts) -

@MrYaotubo said:

Her cheating on her boy friend has absolutely nothing to do with her career.

#172 Posted by uninspiredcup (9020 posts) -
@lundy86_4 said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@The_Last_Ride: He made some good points that I agree with. I don't outright disagree with Phil Fish' points, but he is a fucking d*ckwipe.

Phil Fish is an attention whore. Nothing more, nothing less.

People are begging him to make a sequel and he just tells them to fuck off? Just because he can

He needs a lesson in humility. Unfortunately, online interactions don't often provide that.

Ship him off to Iraq.

#173 Edited by kaealy (1467 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@MrYaotubo said:

Her cheating on her boy friend has absolutely nothing to do with her career.

... she did it to further her career, sleeping with talents inside the industry for positive exposure of her projects.

I can't see how that doesn't have anything to do with her career and it would be something to write about when a reviewers bias is in question thanks to bribes aka sex.

#174 Posted by -Unreal- (24544 posts) -

BTW, Gone Home only got the awards and reviews it did because of bullshit game journalism too.

#175 Posted by toast_burner (21791 posts) -

@kaealy said:

@toast_burner said:

@MrYaotubo said:

Her cheating on her boy friend has absolutely nothing to do with her career.

... she did it to further her career, sleeping with talents inside the industry for positive exposure of her projects.

I can't see how that doesn't have anything to do with her career and it would be something to write about when a reviewers bias is in question thanks to bribes aka sex.

Then people should focus on that part. Note that the image does not mention that at all.

I'm not defending her actions, but a lot of people are saying incredibly stupid stuff. Some for what ever reason are bringing feminism into this.

#176 Posted by DocSanchez (1652 posts) -

@-Unreal-: No doubt on that one. An expensive walking simulator game of the year? Hmm. Wonder why.

#177 Edited by SambaLele (5424 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@kaealy said:

@toast_burner said:

@MrYaotubo said:

Her cheating on her boy friend has absolutely nothing to do with her career.

... she did it to further her career, sleeping with talents inside the industry for positive exposure of her projects.

I can't see how that doesn't have anything to do with her career and it would be something to write about when a reviewers bias is in question thanks to bribes aka sex.

Then people should focus on that part. Note that the image does not mention that at all.

I'm not defending her actions, but a lot of people are saying incredibly stupid stuff. Some for what ever reason are bringing feminism into this.

It seems some are bringin feminism into this because it's also being used as a shield to play the victim card on her part, which's allegedly not the first time it happens. But I agree, the fact that she cheated her boyfriend (if true) is not pertinent to the issue of gaming journalism ethics, but a personal issue of hers. Also, there will surely be many that attack feminism out of the blue, just because they see no difference between it and misandry (a fact common to both SJW and anti-SJW).

The focus should be in the fact that she slept with (allegedly, this comment is directed to the possibility of it being true) 5 men that could help her use the liaison for personal gain is a serious issue concerning different aspects of the industry, from game development to publishing and gaming journalism...

And the fact that no major websites talk about it is either a sympton that this is not actually true... or that it's too damaging to their businesses to talk about. Just like with the Dan Shoe Hsu (when he dennounced the way publishers and devs can affect a reviewer's bias with gifts and special treatment for game coverage) and Jeff Gerstmann (getting fired for issuing a low score for a game heavily advertised on the site) situations, when facts about unethical practices in the industry were disclosed but omitted from many important media outlets in order to save face.

#178 Posted by IamAdorable (402 posts) -

He seems happy.

#179 Posted by Animal-Mother (26962 posts) -

@SambaLele said:

@toast_burner said:

Then people should focus on that part. Note that the image does not mention that at all.

I'm not defending her actions, but a lot of people are saying incredibly stupid stuff. Some for what ever reason are bringing feminism into this.

It seems some are bringin feminism into this because it's also being used as a shield to play the victim card on her part, which's allegedly not the first time it happens. But I agree, the fact that she cheated her boyfriend (if true) is not pertinent to the issue of gaming journalism ethics, but a personal issue of hers. Also, there will surely be many that attack feminism out of the blue, just because they see no difference between it and misandry (a fact common to both SJW and anti-SJW).

The focus should be in the fact that she slept with (allegedly, this comment is directed to the possibility of it being true) 5 men that could help her use the liaison for personal gain is a serious issue concerning different aspects of the industry, from game development to publishing and gaming journalism...

And the fact that no major websites talk about it is either a sympton that this is not actually true... or that it's too damaging to their businesses to talk about. Just like with the Dan Shoe Hsu (when he dennounced the way publishers and devs can affect a reviewer's bias with gifts and special treatment for game coverage) and Jeff Gerstmann (getting fired for issuing a low score for a game heavily advertised on the site) situations, when facts about unethical practices in the industry were disclosed but omitted from many important media outlets in order to save face.

Why hasn't there been an ethical discussion in gaming though?

Shouldnt it be had?

#180 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (14473 posts) -

#Wakethefuckup

Zoe and craptaku have a surprise waiting for them at PAX, this is getting live people.

#181 Edited by Telekill (4726 posts) -

Had I known Fez was one of his games, I would not have purchased it.

#182 Posted by LustForSoul (5887 posts) -

This person is not fit for the internet, maybe not even this world.

#183 Edited by Roler42 (770 posts) -

I don't know about you but... Phil Fish kinda creeps me out now, he actually fantasises about killing us in a fire:

#184 Posted by mems_1224 (47296 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@MrYaotubo said:

Her cheating on her boy friend has absolutely nothing to do with her career.

Hey getting youtube videos taken down with false copyright claims and shutting down charities that encourage women to get into game development does though.

#185 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (14473 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@kaealy said:

@toast_burner said:

@MrYaotubo said:

Her cheating on her boy friend has absolutely nothing to do with her career.

... she did it to further her career, sleeping with talents inside the industry for positive exposure of her projects.

I can't see how that doesn't have anything to do with her career and it would be something to write about when a reviewers bias is in question thanks to bribes aka sex.

Then people should focus on that part. Note that the image does not mention that at all.

I'm not defending her actions, but a lot of people are saying incredibly stupid stuff. Some for what ever reason are bringing feminism into this.

Y'know what, it doesn't matter that she had sex.

What matters is that she has lied consistently about nearly every point she has tried to defend. Blaming others for her own unprofessional behavior, claims to get doxxed, doesn't get doxxed, etc.

The fact she had burgers at 5 guys behind her boyfriends back does however play into her character, further calling attention to her bullshit.

That's not even getting into the false copyright claims and censorship of this whole debacle. It's a massive affront to free speech, I'm just glad that now people who actually have a voice can be heard instead of drowned out by the SJW.

#186 Posted by SambaLele (5424 posts) -
@Animal-Mother said:

Why hasn't there been an ethical discussion in gaming though?

Shouldnt it be had?

Of course it should, don't you think so?

Why hasn't there been one? My opinion: because there's never been enough pressure from the audience for there to be such a discussion.

If people continue accessing the sites normally and generate revenue as they always do, even when getting wind of unethical practices like we do sometimes, why have that discussion? I'm saying this from a business pov, not my personal one.

It's common knowledge that many reviewers and even journalists (whom select which news to give more attention to, which deserves a better place on the first page, or even how to voice and present the news) are treated differently by different studios they'll be covering (like Ubisoft giving free Nexus tablets to journalists that were going to cover Watch Dogs for them). What can a big publisher do to get an upper hand? What can an indie dev do to that end?

These practices have been routine, especially from the upper 90s onwards, and Dan Hsu pointed to that in his blog entry "Editorial Integrity" (which can't be accessed anymore it seems, sadly, because it showed how complex is the relationship between gaming media and devs&publishers, and how the influence by corruption occurs on many levels, be it blatant or subtle). Trying to bring this discussion to the table didn't do his career any good.

This is, obviously, a discussion not only worth having, but a necessary one, mainly because gamers are the most affected, the audience of both sides of the gaming industry - media and devs/publishers. Of course there are others that are affected, because that symbiosis between both sides generates an environment resistant to meritocracy, new relevant competition (big competition in the media), and banalizes nepotism (or "networking", "having the right connections" if an euphemism is preferable). I can't see how consumers profit from that.

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

Y'know what, it doesn't matter that she had sex.

What matters is that she has lied consistently about nearly every point she has tried to defend. Blaming others for her own unprofessional behavior, claims to get doxxed, doesn't get doxxed, etc.

The fact she had burgers at 5 guys behind her boyfriends back does however play into her character, further calling attention to her bullshit.

That's not even getting into the false copyright claims and censorship of this whole debacle. It's a massive affront to free speech, I'm just glad that now people who actually have a voice can be heard instead of drowned out by the SJW.

Sleeping with your boss is a big professional ethics' violation. Does not depend on character or circunstances. It's something that can even affect your colleagues and the projects you're working on. I'm not assuming that everything exposed is true, but it seems that the woman admitted to a great part of it, even when called out by the wife of one of the guys mentioned by her ex-bf...

Well, this episode is certainly not something that should be ignored, but it's certainly not something to be taken personally against the "culprit". There's not one part to take all the blame. If the ones behind it keep their door open to such things, if it didn't happen to that one girl, it would happen to someone other. It's a bigger problem than the episode itself. The dev involved will already be "punished" with the inevitable loss of credibility, but what about the other ones involved, what about the companies they work for and the medium these companies work in? Probably, nothing will happen to any of them (linked for the totilo's tweets, not for the patrick guy's message, I guess he's a victim here - I don't know what the proofs there are against him), and everything will continue exactly the same. What about the common dodging or suppressing the issue on most outlets? I'd guess it's to avoid the effect on raising awareness on these issues. It's worked before many times.

#187 Posted by Big_Pecks (5365 posts) -

The video game industry delivers in drama.

#188 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22490 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4: jontron is so based

Meanwhile Arin is retweeting Anita Starscream and whining about personal attacks and shit

#189 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (14473 posts) -

@Shinobishyguy said:

@ReadingRainbow4: jontron is so based

Meanwhile Arin is retweeting Anita Starscream and whining about personal attacks and shit

Well Arin is bitch made. Jon gives no fucks about offending the current establishment and tells it like it is.

Definitely something we need more of.

#190 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22490 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4: it sucks because I really like Danny, but Arin is insufferable sometimes

#191 Posted by EJ902 (14326 posts) -

I didn't know who phil fish was before all of this, and he's made a terrible first impression. Tut tut phil.

This scandal sounds like a tedious plot from an episode of eastenders but seems to have brough attention to a lot of dodginess within the industry so I hope this doesn't just get forgotten about.

#192 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (14473 posts) -

Looooooooool.

#193 Edited by Seabas989 (10415 posts) -

My thoughts on this whole subject.

#194 Edited by ZombieKiller7 (6255 posts) -

Who the fuck is Phil Fish?

He seems to be white knighting this Zoe person, who according to the internet slept with 5 guys (hoes are like icebergs, you only see %10 above the water, she prolly banged 50 guys you never even knew about.)

Anyway I don't see how any of this is relevant other than sleeping with people for better Kotaku scores.

And that's why I trust Metacritic more.

TL;DR nobody cares

#195 Edited by The_Last_Ride (72503 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@The_Last_Ride: He made some good points that I agree with. I don't outright disagree with Phil Fish' points, but he is a fucking d*ckwipe.

Phil Fish is an attention whore. Nothing more, nothing less.

People are begging him to make a sequel and he just tells them to fuck off? Just because he can

He needs a lesson in humility. Unfortunately, online interactions don't often provide that.

Indeed, he's an asshole

#196 Posted by navyguy21 (12983 posts) -

I will say.........the guy has a point.

Fanboys today are terrible

#197 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

The problem with phil is that he's exactly the type of person he always complains about and says he hates. He's whiny and entitled.

He lives for drama and loves nothing more than when the internet actually pays attention to him. Fez is a great game and he loved hearing people praise it and when all that hype died down he started doing other shit that got him that sort of media attention. Sure he raises a good point here and there but he does so in the most asinine way possible and is a complete douche nozzle to a great many people.

Cancelling games just because people aren't nice to him is such an egotistical thing to do.

Especially when you were never a pleasant person to interact with in the first place. You can't spit in someones face and expect be greeted warmly.

Although if you read through the tweets from people defending him, maybe that will just have to remain an enigma. They get shit on and still praise this asshole and not just his past work, but his behavior as a whole.

It's sickening.

He's a huge hypocrite. He wants to remain relevant any way he can so if he can't do that the normal way then he drums up controversy

#198 Posted by schu (9279 posts) -

How many times would Zoe have to screw Phil to get a sequel?

#199 Edited by darkspineslayer (19820 posts) -

@schu said:

How many times would Zoe have to screw Phil to get a sequel?

I think the real question is "How many people would Phil have to screw to not get laughed the fuck back under his bridge if he ever tries to release another game?"

#200 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (14473 posts) -

@darkspineslayer said:

@schu said:

How many times would Zoe have to screw Phil to get a sequel?

I think the real question is "How many people would Phil have to screw to not get laughed the fuck back under his bridge if he ever tries to release another game?"

Well, he's got his own special secret for making a fantastic game.