PC pirates are at it again

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#1 Edited by KellyKelly (377 posts) -
#2 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

Console users buy used games. Just as bad.

#3 Edited by jhonMalcovich (4507 posts) -

Do you mean they shall pay 12 bucks for this ?

They are making them a favor by playing it. Lol

#4 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

I see Davekeeh never left.

#5 Edited by KellyKelly (377 posts) -

@jhonMalcovich said:

Do you mean they shall pay 12 bucks for this

They are making them a favor by playing it. Lol

Typical thief logic

#6 Edited by clyde46 (44827 posts) -
#7 Posted by KellyKelly (377 posts) -
#8 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

I'll say it again. Console users buy used games which is worse than piracy.

#9 Edited by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -
#10 Edited by jhonMalcovich (4507 posts) -

@jhonMalcovich said:

Do you mean they shall pay 12 bucks for this

They are making them a favor by playing it. Lol

Typical thief logic

Get the fuck off. I am not even interested in playing it. My Steam backlog is too big.

#11 Posted by DefconRave (550 posts) -

Can't hide behind the typical "its got intrusive DRM" excuse, plus its an indie game. Some ppl have no shame...

#12 Edited by NameIess_One (559 posts) -

They were asked how they calculated the stats, and the answer was, "We have our ways!" and "We estimated stuff!"

That's a good start... never heard of the game, so it's probably one of those cases when a title flops badly, and the piracy is conveniently blamed.

#13 Posted by trugs26 (5289 posts) -

It's easier to pirate on PC, which is why I think they have separated the release date of GTA V with the console version. So get everyone to buy the console version on launch, then further down the track, once you've got the majority to buy the game, release a PC version to get the final sales. If GTA V released on PC the same day as the console versions, I'd bet there would be less versions sold of the game compared to the separate release date way.

So yeah, I'm sure the PC will eventually get GTA 5, and they'll get 6 as well.

#14 Posted by Sweenix (5397 posts) -
#15 Posted by MonsieurX (29486 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

I'll say it again. Console users buy used games which is worse than piracy.

This and GTA V pirated on 360 weeks before launch

#16 Posted by SuperCowElitist (730 posts) -

Hermits pirate games.
Lemmings rent games.
Sheeps get no games.

#17 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

Hermits pirate games.

Lemmings rent games.

Sheeps get no games.

Cows have movies.

#18 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

I'll say it again. Console users buy used games which is worse than piracy.

This and GTA V pirated on 360 weeks before launch

Leaked first on PSN. Thank you Sony.

#19 Posted by waltefmoney (18030 posts) -

PC gamers dont like hard games. Should have made it a point and click adventure.

#20 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (4026 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

Console users buy used games. Just as bad.

How is that as bad. The problem isn't with the people who buy used games, it's with the high street chain stores selling them. If for example Activision are marketing and selling CoD in Wallmart for example, at the same time, Wallmart are selling a used copy for a high price and not cutting the publisher in. That's the problem. Publishers don't care about the buying and selling trade on ebay or whatever between individuals. That's less of an issue.

#21 Posted by Netret0120 (2028 posts) -

I know for a fact that GTA 5 will be downloaded day 1 if it is released on the PC. I know someone who has over 200 games and he hasnt paid for any of them. He sells games like GTA for $5.

I would be annoyed if i was a developer. It kills the industry

#22 Posted by Netret0120 (2028 posts) -

I know for a fact that GTA 5 will be downloaded day 1 if it is released on the PC. I know someone who has over 200 games and he hasnt paid for any of them. He sells games like GTA for $5.

I would be annoyed if i was a developer. It kills the industry

#23 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

Console users buy used games. Just as bad.

How is that as bad. The problem isn't with the people who buy used games, it's with the high street chain stores selling them. If for example Activision are marketing and selling CoD in Wallmart for example, at the same time, Wallmart are selling a used copy for a high price and not cutting the publisher in. That's the problem. Publishers don't care about the buying and selling trade on ebay or whatever between individuals. That's less of an issue.

Its bad because you are not paying the devs for the product. Piracy and used games are one in the same.

#24 Posted by MonsieurX (29486 posts) -

I know for a fact that GTA 5 will be downloaded day 1 if it is released on the PC. I know someone who has over 200 games and he hasnt paid for any of them. He sells games like GTA for $5.

I would be annoyed if i was a developer. It kills the industry

Used game kills the industry as well.

And GTA V got pirated 2 weeks early on the 360 :(

#26 Edited by MonsieurX (29486 posts) -

They should just release their games on PSN in the future, because Hermits have once again shown their true identity.

Disgusting

Sad

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/08/26/sony-sorry-for-gta-v-asset-leak-rockstar-deeply-disappointed

#27 Edited by HalcyonScarlet (4026 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

@clyde46 said:

Console users buy used games. Just as bad.

How is that as bad. The problem isn't with the people who buy used games, it's with the high street chain stores selling them. If for example Activision are marketing and selling CoD in Wallmart for example, at the same time, Wallmart are selling a used copy for a high price and not cutting the publisher in. That's the problem. Publishers don't care about the buying and selling trade on ebay or whatever between individuals. That's less of an issue.

Its bad because you are not paying the devs for the product. Piracy and used games are one in the same.

No they're not. That's just greed on the part of the publisher. They have to deal with a 2nd hand market like any other media. I wouldn't expect someone to buy something twice. Someones paid for an official copy and has essentially just moved the ownership rights on, they didn't duplicate it (keep a copy and move it on). That's fair game. Forcing everyone to tie a product to an account Steam style is an abuse, which is only ok because they do sh*t loads of sales.

#28 Edited by pelvist (4624 posts) -
#29 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

@clyde46 said:

Console users buy used games. Just as bad.

How is that as bad. The problem isn't with the people who buy used games, it's with the high street chain stores selling them. If for example Activision are marketing and selling CoD in Wallmart for example, at the same time, Wallmart are selling a used copy for a high price and not cutting the publisher in. That's the problem. Publishers don't care about the buying and selling trade on ebay or whatever between individuals. That's less of an issue.

Its bad because you are not paying the devs for the product. Piracy and used games are one in the same.

No they're not. That's just greed on the part of the publisher. They have to deal with a 2nd hand market like any other media. I wouldn't expect someone to buy something twice. Someones paid for an official copy and has essentially just moved the ownership rights on. That's fair game. Forcing everyone to tie a product to an account Steam style is an abuse, which is only ok because they do sh*t loads of sales.

I seriously can't believe you are defending used games. If a game gets pirated, the devs get no money. If someone buys a used game, the devs get no money.

#30 Edited by KungfuKitten (20840 posts) -

I seriously doubt that is true. 4% of the PC gaming audience would still be a crazy amount of sales though. (I know not everyone plays the game but if you count in such a high rate of potential piracy then piracy must be very widespread and it could be a huge chunk of the PC audience who play the game.)

#31 Posted by NameIess_One (559 posts) -

I know for a fact that GTA 5 will be downloaded day 1 if it is released on the PC. I know someone who has over 200 games and he hasnt paid for any of them. He sells games like GTA for $5.

I would be annoyed if i was a developer. It kills the industry

We poor PC peasants have to wait for the release day before we can get to pirating.

You consolites... you get to pirate a few weeks before the game's on the market, not fair! :(

#32 Posted by KellyKelly (377 posts) -

This dev might have to give up his dream due to Hermits

#33 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

4% of people bought it? How many people bought it? Why aren't releasing sales figures. I smell a rat, well two rats actually, one of them being TC.

#34 Edited by HalcyonScarlet (4026 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

@clyde46 said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

@clyde46 said:

Console users buy used games. Just as bad.

How is that as bad. The problem isn't with the people who buy used games, it's with the high street chain stores selling them. If for example Activision are marketing and selling CoD in Wallmart for example, at the same time, Wallmart are selling a used copy for a high price and not cutting the publisher in. That's the problem. Publishers don't care about the buying and selling trade on ebay or whatever between individuals. That's less of an issue.

Its bad because you are not paying the devs for the product. Piracy and used games are one in the same.

No they're not. That's just greed on the part of the publisher. They have to deal with a 2nd hand market like any other media. I wouldn't expect someone to buy something twice. Someones paid for an official copy and has essentially just moved the ownership rights on. That's fair game. Forcing everyone to tie a product to an account Steam style is an abuse, which is only ok because they do sh*t loads of sales.

I seriously can't believe you are defending used games. If a game gets pirated, the devs get no money. If someone buys a used game, the devs get no money.

That's tough though. I should have the right to get rid of something i've bought. They can't have 100% of the pie, that's just greedy. I understand multiplayer codes, because you're using their service. So I actually understand why they say, if you pick up a second hand copy you should pay for the online, it makes sense.

In no way is it the same as circumventing DRM and duplicating, then distrubuting someone elses work.

I pre ordered PES 2014 and don't like it, why should I not have the right to sell it on. Someone else who is into it can own my copy. I've paid the publisher, someone pays me, it makes no difference. If I keep a copy and sell on a duplicate, then that's different, because then they are losing a sale.

#35 Posted by KellyKelly (377 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

4% of people bought it? How many people bought it? Why aren't releasing sales figures. I smell a rat, well two rats actually, one of them being TC.

Sure because it's absolutely impossible for Hermits to be filthy pirates right?? LOL

@clyde46 said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

@clyde46 said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

@clyde46 said:

Console users buy used games. Just as bad.

How is that as bad. The problem isn't with the people who buy used games, it's with the high street chain stores selling them. If for example Activision are marketing and selling CoD in Wallmart for example, at the same time, Wallmart are selling a used copy for a high price and not cutting the publisher in. That's the problem. Publishers don't care about the buying and selling trade on ebay or whatever between individuals. That's less of an issue.

Its bad because you are not paying the devs for the product. Piracy and used games are one in the same.

No they're not. That's just greed on the part of the publisher. They have to deal with a 2nd hand market like any other media. I wouldn't expect someone to buy something twice. Someones paid for an official copy and has essentially just moved the ownership rights on. That's fair game. Forcing everyone to tie a product to an account Steam style is an abuse, which is only ok because they do sh*t loads of sales.

I seriously can't believe you are defending used games. If a game gets pirated, the devs get no money. If someone buys a used game, the devs get no money.

Atleast with used games the game has been bought once, with piracy --> 0

#36 Posted by waltefmoney (18030 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

4% of people bought it? How many people bought it? Why aren't releasing sales figures. I smell a rat, well two rats actually, one of them being TC.

The guy that made the game said that if it passes 100k copies sold he'll take a picture wearing just a loincloth.

#37 Posted by KellyKelly (377 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

4% of people bought it? How many people bought it? Why aren't releasing sales figures. I smell a rat, well two rats actually, one of them being TC.

The guy that made the game said that if it passes 100k copies sold he'll take a picture wearing just a loincloth.

If he released this game on PSN we would have seen him in a loincloth a long time ago

#38 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

@clyde46 said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

@clyde46 said:

Console users buy used games. Just as bad.

How is that as bad. The problem isn't with the people who buy used games, it's with the high street chain stores selling them. If for example Activision are marketing and selling CoD in Wallmart for example, at the same time, Wallmart are selling a used copy for a high price and not cutting the publisher in. That's the problem. Publishers don't care about the buying and selling trade on ebay or whatever between individuals. That's less of an issue.

Its bad because you are not paying the devs for the product. Piracy and used games are one in the same.

No they're not. That's just greed on the part of the publisher. They have to deal with a 2nd hand market like any other media. I wouldn't expect someone to buy something twice. Someones paid for an official copy and has essentially just moved the ownership rights on. That's fair game. Forcing everyone to tie a product to an account Steam style is an abuse, which is only ok because they do sh*t loads of sales.

I seriously can't believe you are defending used games. If a game gets pirated, the devs get no money. If someone buys a used game, the devs get no money.

That's tough though. I should have the right to get rid of something i've bought. They can't have 100% of the pie, that's just greedy. I understand multiplayer codes, because you're using their service. So I actually understand why they say, if you pick up a second hand copy you should pay for the online, it makes sense.

In no way is it the same as circumventing DRM and duplicating, then distrubuting someone elses work.

I pre ordered PES 2014 and don't like it, why should I not have the right to sell it on. Someone else who is into it can own my copy. I've paid the publisher, someone pays me, it makes no difference. If I keep a copy and sell on a duplicate, then that's different, because then they are losing a sale.

Both are bad for the industry. Its a very difficult subject as your rights differ from country to country and the high street stores that make a killing on this but the facts still stand, if you are buying a used game then you are not giving the devs money for their content. Why do you think we seeing the end of physical media, its because of the used market.

#39 Posted by jhonMalcovich (4507 posts) -
#40 Edited by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

4% of people bought it? How many people bought it? Why aren't releasing sales figures. I smell a rat, well two rats actually, one of them being TC.

The guy that made the game said that if it passes 100k copies sold he'll take a picture wearing just a loincloth.

So no solid sales figures then. Not going to take the dev seriously. If you are complaining about piracy, bring some facts to back it up. Falling back on the old piracy argument is a common fault of a bad game. You look at games like SuperMeatBoy, Monaco and Hotline Miami. All those games are competitively priced for what you get.

#41 Edited by KungfuKitten (20840 posts) -

I think for a normal commercial indi game 10k sales is like a breaking point. If you get more than 10k sales you should consider yourself pretty darn big and an exception. In my country if you get past the 10k you can't call yourself just a group of friends who made a game anymore, and have to start paying corporate taxes.
It did get on Steam so I guess that changes a lot. I can see him targeting 100k sales but it's not something that any indi developer easily obtains unless they broke through in a one-in-a-million kind of way with a previous game.

#42 Posted by jhonMalcovich (4507 posts) -

They should just release their games on PSN in the future, because Hermits have once again shown their true identity.

Disgusting

Begging for PC games. Lol.

#43 Posted by KellyKelly (377 posts) -

I hope Rockstar sees this

#44 Posted by k2theswiss (16598 posts) -

Do you mean they shall pay 12 bucks for this ?

They are making them a favor by playing it. Lol

haha, I admit i would pirated it too! Games just like that on my phone for $1...

#45 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

I hope Rockstar sees this

*ignores the fact that Sony leaked R* biggest game yet early.

Stay classy TC.

#46 Posted by KellyKelly (377 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@kellykelly said:

I hope Rockstar sees this

*ignores the fact that Sony leaked R* biggest game yet early.

Stay classy TC.

R* made a ton of money thx to consoles, but this dev? He just has to take the 4% for granted

#47 Posted by SteXmaN (370 posts) -

wis3boi:"PC: The platform so superior in every way, the only way to attack it is to lie."

#48 Posted by clyde46 (44827 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@kellykelly said:

I hope Rockstar sees this

*ignores the fact that Sony leaked R* biggest game yet early.

Stay classy TC.

R* made a ton of money thx to consoles, but this dev? He just has to take the 4% for granted

And? He needs to learn not to overprice his game. Look at how many studios have been closed because they can't make a good game.

#49 Posted by aroxx_ab (9258 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

Console users buy used games. Just as bad.

It is not, used games is never a problem, just make good games people never want trade away, Shigeru Miyamoto himself said so :P

#50 Edited by KellyKelly (377 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@kellykelly said:

@clyde46 said:

@kellykelly said:

I hope Rockstar sees this

*ignores the fact that Sony leaked R* biggest game yet early.

Stay classy TC.

R* made a ton of money thx to consoles, but this dev? He just has to take the 4% for granted

And? He needs to learn not to overprice his game. Look at how many studios have been closed because they can't make a good game.

The only thing he needs to learn is to put his games on PSN not the PC