PC is the future of core games market

"The final boom market? The trusty PC - a platform whose death has been predicted countless times in the past decade, but which actually finds itself better equipped than almost any other to capitalise upon the market conditions in which we find ourselves.

Ironically, the PC's death has been predicted so many times precisely because the platform is so open and so network-friendly. As such, piracy has always been rife on the PC - so much so that plenty of publishers have hinted darkly about abandoning the platform entirely. Yet it's those same factors which now make the PC into one of the most exciting and dynamic games platforms on earth - now that bright developers have seen past the increasingly tired market for monolithic, £40 boxed games - a market which is so easy for piracy to destroy.

The PC's openness, its easy access to digital distribution services and its limitless potential for experimentation with new business models has led to a new breed of indie developers, creating some of the most fascinating games of recent years and increasingly joined by veteran studios and developers who find themselves energised by the possibilities of this resurgent platform. It's easy to get carried away, though - this is still a movement in its infancy - but more than any other platform, it's the PC and its burgeoning indie scene which is benefiting from the battening down of hatches in the console market. For the first time in years, the boy has stopped crying wolf over the death of the PC. Instead, everyone is watching this platform intently for a glimpse of what is almost certainly the future of the core games market."

Interesting article on some of the changes that are occuring in the gaming industry. Read the full article here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-12-riders-on-the-storm-gi-editorial?page=2

witcher 2 devs are practicly crying and begging to everyone not to pirate their game.dakan45

Where have they done that?

In other words you are saying that the pc platform is in a good standing without having many high budget games by showing how digital distrubition and indie unique games are holding it together. Good that, but what about us hardcore gamers who want high budget non arcade/2d games that use pc hardware capabilities? How will the big game companies go back to pc? I shouldnt be complaining there is BF3 and witcher 2. But bf only gets it becaue its an mp game and witcher 2 devs are practicly crying and begging to everyone not to pirate their game.dakan45

Well, I would argue that many of those indie games are indeed good games for hardcore gamers. On the other hand, I do know what you mean about also wanting big budget games that take advantage of the extra capabilities of the PC platform. I think, though, that if enough new people are attracted to the PC as a gaming platform, and more money is being made in general, that some developers will be willing to take bigger risks on the platform.

PC is existing because of its improvements.Everyweek or after a month there is somethimng better which improve the PC.Secondly there is no replacement to the multiple function PC can do along with providing high graphics gaming experience.Thirdly other gaming platforms donot have a replacement to the full features of a keyboard or a mouse which espicially PC gamers like.Fouthly the high investing hardware companies would never let it die because you donot require very high end computers if you donot use them for gaming.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]witcher 2 devs are practicly crying and begging to everyone not to pirate their game.lundy86_4

Where have they done that?

Tbh they have said many times that whilst they were taking a different, more respectful approach of the gamer, they really counted on everyone to reward them for it by not pirating.

Back on the subject, I totally disagree with those who claim there are no big budget games on the PC (there are just as many as on any other platform), all the more so when you consider that PC games' budgets are much less inflated by marketing/ads. I'd rather take a game like TW2 with less than 10 million euros spent by talented devs on making the game awesome, than those generic blockbuster games than spend half of their budget in advertising.

but what about us hardcore gamers who want high budget non arcade/2d games that use pc hardware capabilities?dakan45

Here I thought most of the most "hardcore" games were arcade/2D games.

Where have they done that?

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="dakan45"]but what about us hardcore gamers who want high budget non arcade/2d games that use pc hardware capabilities?Yangire

Here I thought most of the most "hardcore" games were arcade/2D games.

That made no sense, but you are propably referring to the other guys post. For the record arcade 2d indie games like super meat boy are definetly not for the hardcore gamers. Neither are its graphics. I builted a powerfull rig for a reason. Thank got there is witcher 2 and bf3.

dakan45

What do you think makes a hardcore game? To me it's difficulty, learning curve, length, etc. Hard games like Super Meat Boy and games ATF: Armored Task Force ARE hardcore even though they have poor graphics.

That made no sense, but you are propably referring to the other guys post. For the record arcade 2d indie games like super meat boy are definetly not for the hardcore gamers. Neither are its graphics. I builted a powerfull rig for a reason. Thank got there is witcher 2 and bf3.

dakan45

Learn to Shump. Just because a game doesn't use a rigs full potential does not mean its bad or not hardcore. Quite the opposite really.

What do you think makes a hardcore game? To me it's difficulty, learning curve, length, etc. Hard games like Super Meat Boy and games ATF: Armored Task Force ARE hardcore even though they have poor graphics.

Yangire

[QUOTE="Yangire"]What do you think makes a hardcore game? To me it's difficulty, learning curve, length, etc. Hard games like Super Meat Boy and games ATF: Armored Task Force ARE hardcore even though they have poor graphics.

dakan45

Well it is a 2D platformer, and again.. What makes a game hardcore to you, graphics?

Your definition of "core" must be wrong then.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]More like ancient than hardcore and yes i am speaking gameplay wise. Reminds me the old games of snes with 2d scrollers.

Yangire

Well it is a 2D platformer, and again.. What makes a game hardcore to you, graphics?

Your definition of "core" must be wrong then.

SuperFlakeman

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

Well it is a 2D platformer, and again.. What makes a game hardcore to you, graphics?

dakan45

Your definition of "core" must be wrong then.

SuperFlakeman

Shumps have continued to evolve. If they became 3D they would either become impossible to play, or just be like all the euroshumps today. Overly easy, and boring to look at.

Just because something is 3D and has Xt3me Grwafixs, doesn't mean it has evolved beyond a 2D game. Play some DoDonPachi.

And unless SuperFlakemen was talking to you, neither of you seem to know what a hardcore game is about.

Waited so long for someoen to say that. ;)dakan45

Just to be clear, since you're discussing the term hardcore, core is very different from hardcore.

Mario Kart Wii is a core Nintendo game, for instance (bridge title - both core and casual). Pokémon is also a franchise that caters to the core Nintendo userbase. Metroid is strictly a core game.

There is a huge core market on PC, undeniable, but it's not gonna be the leading platform for those type of games.

Hardcore, based on how the term is used by the majority of people, is another word for dudebro games such as GTA4, CoD 4, RDR and that type of games, that cater to a different type of casuals. Hardcore in reality, is the people who beat highscores in old arcade games, have 30 platinum trophys etc.

You're telling me that PC is the future platform for core games? Think again. Valve is a core PC developer. The previous statement doesn't hold up anymore since I can play most of their recent games on my PS3, lol. Blizzard is looking to port Diablo 3 to consoles too I heard? Well they teamed up with Activision, it will happen one day.

And unless SuperFlakemen was talking to you, neither of you seem to know what a hardcore game is about.

OneSanitarium

"Core" =/= "Hardcore"

PC is the greatest zombie ever, it really takes after its mascot, yes, Arthas is PC gamings mascot, deal with it

Says the guy who overlooks 2D games because he "builted a powerfull rig".

OneSanitarium

[QUOTE="dakan45"] Waited so long for someoen to say that. ;)SuperFlakeman

Just to be clear, since you're discussing the term hardcore, core is very different from hardcore.

Mario Kart Wii is a core Nintendo game, for instance (bridge title - both core and casual). Pokémon is also a franchise that caters to the core Nintendo userbase. Metroid is strictly a core game.

There is a huge core market on PC, undeniable, but it's not gonna be the leading platform for those type of games.

Hardcore, based on how the term is used by the majority of people, is another word for dudebro games such as GTA4, CoD 4, RDR and that type of games, that cater to a different type of casuals. Hardcore in reality, is the people who beat highscores in old arcade games, have 30 platinum trophys etc.

You're telling me that PC is the future platform for core games? Think again. Valve is a core PC developer. The previous statement doesn't hold up anymore since I can play most of their recent games on my PS3, lol. Blizzard is looking to port Diablo 3 to consoles too I heard? Well they teamed up with Activision, it will happen one day.

Dakan, if you dislike PC games so much, how come you're on the PC forum all the time?

And if you like your big budget games, I suggest you stick with CoD, it's the only thing I haven't seen you bash.

Good that, but what about us hardcore gamers who want high budget non arcade/2d games dakan45

hardcore with low-to medium budget = PC

casual with big budget = consoles/multiplats

Dakan, if you dislike PC games so much, how come you're on the PC forum all the time?

And if you like your big budget games, I suggest you stick with CoD, it's the only thing I haven't seen you bash.

coreybg

I know very well what you meant. Pc is not the core makert consoles are.dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"] I know very well what you meant. Pc is not the core makert consoles are.AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] I know very well what you meant. Pc is not the core makert consoles are.dakan45

and yet (even including downloads) multiplats sellabysmally on the PC compared to consoles.

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

Dakan, if you dislike PC games so much, how come you're on the PC forum all the time?

And if you like your big budget games, I suggest you stick with CoD, it's the only thing I haven't seen you bash.

dakan45

So, short version:

PC is has aracade and 2d crap games, and you don't like CoD, but you defend it because everyone else is bashing it?

Now it all makes sense......oh wait

and yet (even including downloads) multiplats sellabysmally on the PC compared to consoles.

arbitor365

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"] Trailers, hidden message "please dont pirate the game" and "buywitcher.com" afterwards.[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"]but what about us hardcore gamers who want high budget non arcade/2d games that use pc hardware capabilities?dakan45

Here I thought most of the most "hardcore" games were arcade/2D games.

Perhaps you wanan look on the definition of hardcore game then....OH WAIT!!!! People in this forums have been arguing that since the dawn of time and they never raeched a conclusion. So neither you know what a hardcore game is. ;)dakan45

Nope, hardcore just never reached a clear definition. Everybody knows what concepts make a game hardcore, although there is some blur around it.

A gamer who plays Solitaire during work downtimes or a 10 year old girlie who plays The Sims 2 one hour a day are not as hardcore as a Fighting/RTS competitive gamer or a RPG enthusiast.

So no, you can't use the "we haven't agreed on what's hardcore" for your own argument, and it's an embarassing show of ignorance to do so.

"dislike pc games so much" :roll: You mean the way i hype the wticher 2 to be the best game ever? Again :roll: and again :roll: Its not my fault pc is filled with arcadish indie low budget 2d crap. As for cod, it gets enough bashing as it is in ths forums. I might as well defend it since logic and fair judgement seems to be "Selective" and not fair.dakan45

Seriously :lol: ?

Trailers, hidden message "please dont pirate the game" and "buywitcher.com" afterwards.[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"]but what about us hardcore gamers who want high budget non arcade/2d games that use pc hardware capabilities?dakan45

Here I thought most of the most "hardcore" games were arcade/2D games.

I stop using my pc to play high end games along time ago. Having to upgrade your computer every other week to play a new game gets annoying.Lonegunn

Level 1, 2 posts, voluntary show of fallacies...

Obvious troll can't be more obvious.

[QUOTE="Lonegunn"]I stop using my pc to play high end games along time ago. Having to upgrade your computer every other week to play a new game gets annoying.Jankarcop

why can't any anti-pc person here have a real arguement instead of lie all the time?

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Perhaps you wanan look on the definition of hardcore game then....OH WAIT!!!! People in this forums have been arguing that since the dawn of time and they never raeched a conclusion. So neither you know what a hardcore game is. ;)N30F3N1X

Nope, hardcore just never reached a clear definition. Everybody knows what concepts make a game hardcore, although there is some blur around it.

A gamer who plays Solitaire during work downtimes or a 10 year old girlie who plays The Sims 2 one hour a day are not as hardcore as a Fighting/RTS competitive gamer or a RPG enthusiast.

So no, you can't use the "we haven't agreed on what's hardcore" for your own argument, and it's an embarassing show of ignorance to do so.

The hardware pushing envelope obviously slowed down, especially with the emergence of the casual market that includes the Facebook gaming crowd. PCs and mobile products in the end will be dominant in the overall scheme of things. Consoles will still maintain a very large core of gamers that are looking for games made for gamers, but all the console manufacturers will continue clamouring for casuals as well. The core gamers on PC will still enjoy a few good somewhat PC pushing exclusives for years to come, but ultimately multiplatforming is the future, unless the consoles somehow get killed off or just become less open PCs themselves, like they already are to varying degrees.

I'll stick with my MS and Nintendo consoles. If gaming ever became PC only, I'd most likely quit gaming.

Trailers, hidden message "please dont pirate the game" and "buywitcher.com" afterwards.

dakan45

I\ve stayed away from all things The Witcher 2, so I didn't spoil anything :P

I hope this technique works for them, and that they garner a good amount of sales, rather than sticking to intrusive DRM.

The way I see it, and what makes the most sense, is that there are no hardcore/casual games, only hardcore/casual gamers. Same scenario, what happens when the 10 year old girl play the Sims 2 religiously everyday 5-7 hours a day? That's a hardcore girl gamer that devotes her time to her most favorite game. It can be argued that most COD/Halo players are casual since all they do is play online for 5 minutes then move on.nintendog66

Would you put a 10 year old girl who plays The Sims that much time a day on the same scale as a SC/CSS progamer?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Consoles are on their deathbed. Pretty soon the PC will be the only device with games for the core gamer and the complexity issue will solve itself with fusion APUs and System-on-a-Chip. The writing's on the wall, the industry knows it and most companies are already preparing for the post-console era. The next generation of consoles will be the last and it will cause huge financial problems for the companies that make them.

I'll stick with my MS and Nintendo consoles. If gaming ever became PC only, I'd most likely quit gaming.

FPSDad1161

This. I just dont enjoy PC gaming at all.

[QUOTE="FPSDad1161"]

I'll stick with my MS and Nintendo consoles. If gaming ever became PC only, I'd most likely quit gaming.

DillonShwing

This. I just dont enjoy PC gaming at all.

Seems to be the only one that doesnt cater to the casual crowd. I think the TC meant core gamers are the ones who grew up playing games and not necessarily the hardcore ones who go out and buy everything console or build a super expensive computer.

Nintendo doesnt care about the traditional or hardcore gamers as they have pretty much captured the casual market.

Microsoft has the casual gamers who play nothing but shooters like CoD and they're trying to branch out to the casual market.

Sony tries to please every niche market but have been plagued with problems like the recent data breach.

The PC is a platform that can appeal to any market. It's got social media and flash games for the casual, MMO's for the addictive gamers, and titles like Crysis and Metro 2033 that put powerful rigs to the test.