PC Gaming at PAX

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#1 Edited by BldgIrsh (2208 posts) -

Here's the VOD for those who are interested.

Some interesting stats:

The Future of PC gaming:

Anyone surprised by the stats? Please collaborate in the discussions. (Before derailments by ANYONE, PC is one system in System Wars.)

#2 Posted by kipsta77 (985 posts) -

PC is the King.

#3 Edited by RoboCopISJesus (1408 posts) -

Best of the Best.

They shoulda had a metacritic, gamespot, and gameranking list too showing PC has the most aaa-aa games every gen.

#4 Edited by R3FURBISHED (10495 posts) -

200 million people play Runescape? Wow

711 million "paying" gamers by the end of 2014

That's a good joke!

#5 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4662 posts) -

yeah thats a really positive video.

#6 Edited by Truth_Hurts_U (9210 posts) -

The more exposure people have to tech, the smarter they become... Eventually leading them to build a PC to game on.

It's addicting once you get going. Always looking for more power, tweaking things and expecting the best.

I'm glad PC gaming is growing. Just think... One day (next 5 years IMO) you wont have to upgrade any more. That's going to be the boom of PC gaming.

#7 Edited by DEadliNE-Zero0 (1957 posts) -

Sorry, but i can't resist

#8 Posted by parkurtommo (26765 posts) -

200 million people play Runescape? Wow

711 million "paying" gamers by the end of 2014

That's a good joke!

Care to elaborate?

I believe that number is an estimate.

And remember that you don't have to pay to play Runescape. They're talking about gamers who play these games and also pay.

#9 Posted by Mr_Huggles_dog (999 posts) -

I feel honored and somewhat sympathetic.

You made a thread just in my honor since we're debating this in other threads....and sympathetic b/c it's sad that mods would let this sort of thing go.

I mean...to let someone make threads solely for the purpose of manipulation.

Again...the kinds of games that make it on PC are NOT the average game. So in your thread I'll spill out the logistics like I have in the other threads.

MOBAs, F2P, and MMOs make up all that gaming revenu guys like to lump up together and say "PC makes more money".....yeah....for 3 types of games.

Steam doesn't release it's sales so you can't go by that figure.

Also, if PC gaming was profitable for the average dev/publisher.....then they wouldn't constantly go to console to sell games. Rockstar is a prime example. They basically look at PC gaming as an afterthought....if they thought it was worth it to release GTA V on PC ....they would have done it....but instead....

..the "master race" has to wait....unlike the "peasants".

Look at CDPR....they're all about PC gaming, right...and PC gamers generally speaking love them to death. Yet....they went to console for the second game....and waiting to put it on console b/c such things had to be tweaked and added....so, basically the PC crowd did beta testing.

Master race....seems you guys might not even get GTA V.

Which would suck....b/c I don't want anyone not to play a game they want to play....but, wow....would it say so much without speaking a word.

#10 Posted by parkurtommo (26765 posts) -

The more exposure people have to tech, the smarter they become... Eventually leading them to build a PC to game on.

It's addicting once you get going. Always looking for more power, tweaking things and expecting the best.

I'm glad PC gaming is growing. Just think... One day (next 5 years IMO) you wont have to upgrade any more. That's going to be the boom of PC gaming.

Wut?

Why wouldn't you have to upgrade anymore?

You always gotta upgrade meng, need more pixels.

#11 Posted by Mr_Huggles_dog (999 posts) -

Sorry, but i can't resist

PC MASTER RACE.....the only master race to constantly beg for console exclusives.

lawl

#12 Posted by m3dude1 (1276 posts) -

id wager at least 700 million of that 711 million are just playing fb games or f2p crap. the pc market for non f2p/fb games is a fucking fraction of the console market.

#13 Edited by nutcrackr (12524 posts) -

F2P., MMORPGs and MOBAs, not exactly worth bragging about.

#14 Edited by DEadliNE-Zero0 (1957 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

PC MASTER RACE.....the only master race to constantly beg for console exclusives.

lawl

So much begging going on for DR3, Ryse, Knack, infamous, killzone, the order, sunset overdrive, and so on.

GTA is a dumb example. Anyone with a brain knew it would could latter, but people got scared, probably because of RDR, which is a terrible example in itself since even the console versions where nearly unplayable due to bug overload, much less a pc version.

I even start guessing it would be revealed at E3 along side the next gen version. Oh, i was right.

There's always petitions and "begging" for games on ones platform, like Bloorborne and Halo MCC on PC, Titanfall on PS4, etc.

Don't remember any "begging" for Castlevania LOS, MK9, MGR, MGS V, and many others on PC. But, oh look, they're all coming to stteam, because every developer and publisher wants their games on pc nowadays.

I'm betting FF XV comes too, before launch. Only Destiny remains has the odd man out. The exception, not the rule.

Whats wrong with wanting has many games on pc as possible? Nobody is crying over these games not coming, like Destiny. But not having to buy a console to play multiplatform console exclusives is better.

#15 Edited by Truth_Hurts_U (9210 posts) -

@parkurtommo:

7 TFlops for 1080 to 100% max current games out 60 FPS constant. If Maxwell doesn't suck like it's rumored it will... Then 1080 gaming is done and no longer need to upgrade.

4k is 4 times 1080. So... 7 x 4 = 28 Tflops. Round it up to about 32 for diminishing returns... Then you'll have enough power for 60 FPS 100% maxed.

After Nvidia Pascal, is when the be all end all GPU will come. Pascal is scheduled for 2016 and 2 years a new arc comes. So 2018 is when the mighty GPU comes to smash 4k into the ground.

If you game at a desk anything beyond 2k is a waste. 4k is just e-peen for anyone at a desk that sits 3 or less feet from their monitor.

Thing is Windows, drivers and durability are the 3 things that will drive people to spend money on an already sufficient PC.

#16 Posted by parkurtommo (26765 posts) -

@parkurtommo:

7 TFlops for 1080 to 100% max current games out 60 FPS constant. If Maxwell doesn't suck like it's rumored it will... Then 1080 gaming is done and no longer need to upgrade.

4k is 4 times 1080. So... 7 x 4 = 28 Tflops. Round it up to about 32 for diminishing returns... Then you'll have enough power for 60 FPS 100% maxed.

After Nvidia Pascal, is when the be all end all GPU will come. Pascal is scheduled for 2016 and 2 years a new arc comes. So 2018 is when the mighty GPU comes to smash 4k into the ground.

If you game at a desk anything beyond 2k is a waste. 4k is just e-peen for anyone at a desk that sits 3 or less feet from their monitor.

Thing is Windows, drivers and durability are the 3 things that will drive people to spend money on an already sufficient PC.

Nonsense, 1080p is not the limit. There's high resolution VR, multiple monitors, and of course extremely demanding games that will certainly warrant upgrades in the future, regardless of where the hardware is.

#17 Posted by gameofthering (10199 posts) -

@deadline-zero0 said:

Sorry, but i can't resist

PC MASTER RACE.....the only master race to constantly beg for console exclusives.

lawl

Why is that a bad thing?

It's better than the console users begging and making death threats to companies for making games multi-plat.

#18 Posted by Mr_Huggles_dog (999 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@deadline-zero0 said:

Sorry, but i can't resist

PC MASTER RACE.....the only master race to constantly beg for console exclusives.

lawl

Why is that a bad thing?

It's better than the console users begging and making death threats to companies for making games multi-plat.

I'm not denying that console gamers....a very small minority, do that....but that doesn't deny the fact that the "master race" is always asking for console exclusives to come to PC.

And besides....I'm sure some bad stuff that was going on during the ME3 fiasco was from PC gamers.

Either way...sure, you're right....but PC ppl just hack into networks and screw us all....and specifically they pirate to hell and back. Sure there are non legit consoles....but that sort of thing is no where near the piracy problem on PC.

#19 Edited by m3dude1 (1276 posts) -

@parkurtommo:

7 TFlops for 1080 to 100% max current games out 60 FPS constant. If Maxwell doesn't suck like it's rumored it will... Then 1080 gaming is done and no longer need to upgrade.

4k is 4 times 1080. So... 7 x 4 = 28 Tflops. Round it up to about 32 for diminishing returns... Then you'll have enough power for 60 FPS 100% maxed.

After Nvidia Pascal, is when the be all end all GPU will come. Pascal is scheduled for 2016 and 2 years a new arc comes. So 2018 is when the mighty GPU comes to smash 4k into the ground.

If you game at a desk anything beyond 2k is a waste. 4k is just e-peen for anyone at a desk that sits 3 or less feet from their monitor.

Thing is Windows, drivers and durability are the 3 things that will drive people to spend money on an already sufficient PC.

2018 gpus will not have 32 tflops....LMAO

#20 Edited by happyduds77 (1451 posts) -

Games that don't require a very powerful hardware are bound to sell very well. It's like mobile gaming everybody can afford it. I highly doubt even half of those people have a robust hardware.

Show me a graphically demanding game that sold nearly as good as those games and I will admit I lost the argument.

#21 Edited by WallofTruth (1574 posts) -

@gameofthering said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@deadline-zero0 said:

Sorry, but i can't resist

PC MASTER RACE.....the only master race to constantly beg for console exclusives.

lawl

Why is that a bad thing?

It's better than the console users begging and making death threats to companies for making games multi-plat.

I'm not denying that console gamers....a very small minority, do that....but that doesn't deny the fact that the "master race" is always asking for console exclusives to come to PC.

And besides....I'm sure some bad stuff that was going on during the ME3 fiasco was from PC gamers.

Either way...sure, you're right....but PC ppl just hack into networks and screw us all....and specifically they pirate to hell and back. Sure there are non legit consoles....but that sort of thing is no where near the piracy problem on PC.

You need to learn to do math, it's really not that hard even for a troll like yourself. The MASTER RACE is NOT always asking for console exclusives, it's only a tiny fraction of PC Gamers, according to this topic there are over 700 million paying PC Gamers and the biggest PC petition ever (GTA V ) gathered 728.191 votes, that's 0.96/700th of all PC Gamers.

There are more petitions and higher piracy counts on PC because there are WAY more gamers on PC, that isn't so hard to understand, is it?

#22 Edited by WallofTruth (1574 posts) -
@happyduds77 said:

Games that don't require a very powerful hardware are bound to sell very well. It's like mobile gaming everybody can afford it. I highly doubt even half of those people have a robust hardware.

Show me a graphically demanding game that sold nearly as good as those games and I will admit I lost the argument.

- Console gamers when PC has better graphics than their games: "Bu bu but graphics don't matter, only gameplay matters"

- Console gamers when PC makes WAY more money than consoles with games that have amazing gameplay : "Bu bu but those games have bad graphics so they don't count"

It's always funny how you guys decide what counts and what doesn't.

#23 Posted by happyduds77 (1451 posts) -

@happyduds77 said:

Games that don't require a very powerful hardware are bound to sell very well. It's like mobile gaming everybody can afford it. I highly doubt even half of those people have a robust hardware.

Show me a graphically demanding game that sold nearly as good as those games and I will admit I lost the argument.

- Console gamers when PC has better graphics than their games: "Bu bu but graphics don't matter, only gameplay matters"

- Console gamers when PC makes WAY more money than consoles with games that have amazing gameplay : "Bu bu but those games have bad graphics so they don't count"

It's always funny how you guys decide what counts and what doesn't.

First off I never said that, secondly I think PC gaming is superior for hundreds of reasons. But this is an unfair comparison. Unlike consoles laptops and desktops are an essential part of our day to day lives much like cellphones. PCs can do numerous things and also play video games where as console are mainly designed to play video games.

Those games have poor graphical fidelity which means everybody can play them with their crappy laptops.

#24 Posted by Mr_Huggles_dog (999 posts) -

@happyduds77 said:

Games that don't require a very powerful hardware are bound to sell very well. It's like mobile gaming everybody can afford it. I highly doubt even half of those people have a robust hardware.

Show me a graphically demanding game that sold nearly as good as those games and I will admit I lost the argument.

- Console gamers when PC has better graphics than their games: "Bu bu but graphics don't matter, only gameplay matters"

- Console gamers when PC makes WAY more money than consoles with games that have amazing gameplay : "Bu bu but those games have bad graphics so they don't count"

It's always funny how you guys decide what counts and what doesn't.

You need a little common sense....especially for someone declaring to be the "walloftruth".

You really think that many ppl are hardcore PC gamers? Do you really expect me to fucking take that for granted....you're out of your fucking mind.

So many of those polls or surveys or whatever take facebook games and the like into account.

And, yes, I can hear the bullshit now..."those games are on PC, dur....why aren't they PC gamers...durrrr."....b/c genius they don't pertain to the group in discussion.

Fucking Aunt Susy doesn't give 2 shits about whether or not Dark Souls is coming to PC.

#25 Edited by RoboCopISJesus (1408 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog said:

@deadline-zero0 said:

Sorry, but i can't resist

PC MASTER RACE.....the only master race to constantly beg for console exclusives.

lawl

PC has more aaa-aa exclusives than each console combined this gen and last gen...

I see you're in full troll mode in every PC topic on this board.

#26 Posted by farrell2k (5857 posts) -

Wow, the console kid butt hurt her is beyond belief, as if they somehow did now expect this. Remember, just because you are not playing on the best gaming system, that does not mean that your platform is bad; it just means that you don't really care about playing on the best system, and you really shouldn't. Not having the best gameplay, graphics, the best customization, and the best online communities for games, shouldn't get you down. You could always trade up to the PC whenever you feel like it. Your console is really only a few years behind the PC, so you're not that bad off.

#27 Edited by Cloud_imperium (2947 posts) -

The guy in the first pic is early concept art of UEE marine in Star Citizen . You can see the logo on his chest as well .

#28 Edited by SimplyFatal (1062 posts) -

Well...couldn't say I didn't see this coming.

PC gaming has been striving for a while now.

#29 Edited by blackace (20565 posts) -
@kipsta77 said:

PC is the King.

King of multiplayer online gaming. That's pretty much where most of their profit is made. Games like League of Legends, DOTA2, WoW, World of Tanks, etc.. is where they are making those billions. If game consoles ever tap into that market, they will grow as well. We already see it in games like CoD, BF and FFXIV.

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Best of the Best.

They shoulda had a metacritic, gamespot, and gameranking list too showing PC has the most aaa-aa games every gen.

PC doesn't have generations, so I'm not sure how they would show that. Also the PC released 100's of more games then game consoles do each year, so there is more of a chance they will have more "AAA" & "AA" games because they release more games in total. If the PC releases 3000 games in one year and game consoles release 1000 games in the same year there's obviously going to be more "AAA" and more "AA" games released on the PC. If game consoles were an open platform like the PC it would be a different story. "Games 101" class is over.

#30 Posted by Motokid6 (5432 posts) -

@blackace:

"League of Legends, DOTA2, WoW, World of Tanks, etc.. is where they are making those billions. If game consoles ever tap into that market, they will grow as well."

How could they?

#31 Posted by blackace (20565 posts) -
@Motokid6 said:

@blackace:

"League of Legends, DOTA2, WoW, World of Tanks, etc.. is where they are making those billions. If game consoles ever tap into that market, they will grow as well."

How could they?

World of Tanks is already on game consoles and they added Minecraft which onsold the PC version on the XBox platform alone. With rumors of a STEAM app coming to consoles in the future, all M$ and Sony would need to do is support keyboard/mouse devices and gamers could easily play LoL or DOTA2 on their 60in HDTV. Blizzard got Diablo 3 to play brilliantly on game consoles without K/M. You think the same can't be done with DOTA2 and LoL? Only a matter of time and improved hardware down the road.

#32 Edited by naz99 (1301 posts) -

@mr_huggles_dog: it is utterly breathtaking that you still remain totally cluless and wrong

Your opinion is not fact

#33 Posted by AdrianWerner (28011 posts) -


Also, if PC gaming was profitable for the average dev/publisher.....then they wouldn't constantly go to console to sell games. Rockstar is a prime example. They basically look at PC gaming as an afterthought....if they thought it was worth it to release GTA V on PC ....they would have done it....but instead....

..t

PC gaming is more profitable for average developer and publisher. it's why majority of developers never even touch consoles.

Console market is more profitable only for few selected huge publishers and those games that cost up to $100 mln to push into the market (development plus marketing). Those indeed do usually better on consoles. But everything else...nope, not even close.

#34 Edited by naz99 (1301 posts) -

@blackace: no single console version of mine craft has outsold the pc version ......at least not yet,I think you should check your facts and get back to us

#35 Posted by Xisiuizado (45 posts) -

@bldgirsh:
Of course no one is surprised. Your PC numbers include FAR more people than consoles even reach. The only way to compare consoles to PCs fairly is to go by nation.

#36 Edited by Truth_Hurts_U (9210 posts) -

@m3dude1: If you don't know what your talking about please sthu.

Around 19 Tflops in 2016-2017. Performance almost doubles ever 2-3 years. Just 75% increase and that would be a 33 Tflop gpu in 2018.

#37 Edited by Truth_Hurts_U (9210 posts) -

@parkurtommo:

Good luck with multiple monitors... Pro gamers even say beyond 1080 it's worthless for them because they focus on such a small part of the screen. So if you want a wall of monitors in your face... Go for it... You not going to do any better in a game then someone with 1.

Like I said, if your at a desk and your sitting distance is 3 feet or less, 2k res for 27 inch and lower screen is perfect. http://isthisretina.com/ Anything more is E-peen.

As for VR it would be a no brainer that you would need high res... The screen is only about 3 inches from your eyes. 2k for VR is good for 3 inch viewing.

#38 Posted by mikhail (1572 posts) -

@bldgirsh:

Of course no one is surprised. Your PC numbers include FAR more people than consoles even reach. The only way to compare consoles to PCs fairly is to go by nation.

Here we go again...next Cranler is going to stop by and claim that each console is a separate platform, and then we'll be comparing only Xbox One owners to PC gamers in the United States and ignoring everything else. So much moving of goal posts by console apologists.

#39 Posted by scottpsfan14 (4738 posts) -

It's crazy to think that most of the profit is from F2P and WoW. With the money it makes I think more games the quality of Star Citizen should get made. Unfortunately that only happens once per gen. Crysis 1 was it last gen. I'm talking games that utilize modern GPU's from the ground up. And hardly any consideration for people with weak PC's. Not like they can't afford to do so.

#40 Edited by Xisiuizado (45 posts) -

@mikhail said:
@xisiuizado said:

@bldgirsh:

Of course no one is surprised. Your PC numbers include FAR more people than consoles even reach. The only way to compare consoles to PCs fairly is to go by nation.

Here we go again...next Cranler is going to stop by and claim that each console is a separate platform, and then we'll be comparing only Xbox One owners to PC gamers in the United States and ignoring everything else. So much moving of goal posts by console apologists.

That isn't my point. My point is that PC gaming is widely available in places such as China and India. Those billions of people skew the numbers greatly. If consoles are widely adopted now that they are no longer in a grey market, and they adopt the free to play that has made PC gaming so popular overseas, then the tables will turn. However, my point stands. If one is going to compare two, or more, markets usefully, then one must compare said markets on even terms. In this case, if said comparison drilled down into numbers by major population centers it would be a far more useful than the metrics presented by the original poster. Through specificity comes understanding. We would then find out why one is more popular than another by region and be able to discuss/extrapolate as to why.

Fortunately, this has already been done. The end result of these professional studies concluded that PCs will always rule in poorer nations while wealthier countries tend to favor console gaming.

#41 Posted by Maddie_Larkin (6478 posts) -

It's crazy to think that most of the profit is from F2P and WoW. With the money it makes I think more games the quality of Star Citizen should get made. Unfortunately that only happens once per gen. Crysis 1 was it last gen. I'm talking games that utilize modern GPU's from the ground up. And hardly any consideration for people with weak PC's. Not like they can't afford to do so.

It could likely sustain more titles, bu most Publishers want to spread the cost as much as possibe it is far cheaper to make a farily impressive game that runs on all platforms, then focus on any one platform (unless you are owned by the platform holder, and even then it is a bad buisness).

Focusing on any one platform tends to be bad buisness, noamtter if that platform is called Playstation, Xbox or PC. Irony has it that the advert campaigns tend to cost around as much as the games now if not more. Pretty much eliminating any game for any one platform and painting a sad Picture of gamers, WHO only play what they are told to.

As a Whole I think single platform Developments could sustain itself, but those WHO runs the industry seems awefully unhealthy for it, atleasting in sustaining it.

#42 Posted by parkurtommo (26765 posts) -

@parkurtommo:

Good luck with multiple monitors... Pro gamers even say beyond 1080 it's worthless for them because they focus on such a small part of the screen. So if you want a wall of monitors in your face... Go for it... You not going to do any better in a game then someone with 1.

Like I said, if your at a desk and your sitting distance is 3 feet or less, 2k res for 27 inch and lower screen is perfect. http://isthisretina.com/ Anything more is E-peen.

As for VR it would be a no brainer that you would need high res... The screen is only about 3 inches from your eyes. 2k for VR is good for 3 inch viewing.

I don't give a shit about what pro gamers say, multiple monitors aren't for "being better in a game" they're for more immersion, and simply more pixels!

2k is not enough for VR. You want crystal fucking clear image on that, so that it looks as real as possible, even 4k would not be enough.

#43 Posted by IgGy621985 (4746 posts) -

Cool stats, but you still need both PC and consoles to enjoy gaming completely.

#44 Edited by parkurtommo (26765 posts) -

@mikhail said:
@xisiuizado said:

@bldgirsh:

Of course no one is surprised. Your PC numbers include FAR more people than consoles even reach. The only way to compare consoles to PCs fairly is to go by nation.

Here we go again...next Cranler is going to stop by and claim that each console is a separate platform, and then we'll be comparing only Xbox One owners to PC gamers in the United States and ignoring everything else. So much moving of goal posts by console apologists.

That isn't my point. My point is that PC gaming is widely available in places such as China and India. Those billions of people skew the numbers greatly. If consoles are widely adopted now that they are no longer in a grey market, and they adopt the free to play that has made PC gaming so popular overseas, then the tables will turn. However, my point stands. If one is going to compare two, or more, markets usefully, then one must compare said markets on even terms. In this case, if said comparison drilled down into numbers by major population centers it would be a far more useful than the metrics presented by the original poster. Through specificity comes understanding. We would then find out why one is more popular than another by region and be able to discuss/extrapolate as to why.

Fortunately, this has already been done. The end result of these professional studies concluded that PCs will always rule in poorer nations while wealthier countries tend to favor console gaming.

Wait, why is this important?

Doesn't matter who's playing what or where they live or what their financial situation is... None of that matters.

Or do you really think we should only count gamers from developed countries?

#45 Posted by Truth_Hurts_U (9210 posts) -

@parkurtommo:

Just shows how much you know... LOL which is very little.

My 24 inch about 2.5 feet away covers about 45% of my vision. If you want to waste money on peripheral vision go for it. Majority of gamers out there don't care. So stfu...

#46 Edited by BldgIrsh (2208 posts) -

@mikhail said:
@xisiuizado said:

@bldgirsh:

Of course no one is surprised. Your PC numbers include FAR more people than consoles even reach. The only way to compare consoles to PCs fairly is to go by nation.

Here we go again...next Cranler is going to stop by and claim that each console is a separate platform, and then we'll be comparing only Xbox One owners to PC gamers in the United States and ignoring everything else. So much moving of goal posts by console apologists.

That isn't my point. My point is that PC gaming is widely available in places such as China and India. Those billions of people skew the numbers greatly. If consoles are widely adopted now that they are no longer in a grey market, and they adopt the free to play that has made PC gaming so popular overseas, then the tables will turn. However, my point stands. If one is going to compare two, or more, markets usefully, then one must compare said markets on even terms. In this case, if said comparison drilled down into numbers by major population centers it would be a far more useful than the metrics presented by the original poster. Through specificity comes understanding. We would then find out why one is more popular than another by region and be able to discuss/extrapolate as to why.

Fortunately, this has already been done. The end result of these professional studies concluded that PCs will always rule in poorer nations while wealthier countries tend to favor console gaming.

Shame, you've already reached your 10 post limit. I surely hope this isn't an alternate account trying to simply ban dodge.

#47 Posted by parkurtommo (26765 posts) -

@parkurtommo:

Just shows how much you know... LOL which is very little.

My 24 inch about 2.5 feet away covers about 45% of my vision. If you want to waste money on peripheral vision go for it. Majority of gamers out there don't care. So stfu...

Guide to Truth_Hurts_U's argument:

step 1: Ad hominem

step 2: Actual opinion

step 3: Ad populum

step 4: More ad hominem

I'll filter out all the shit:

My 24 inch about 2.5 feet away covers about 45% of my vision. If you want to waste money on peripheral vision go for it.

VR is all about peripheral vision bro. In fact, multiple monitors are also about peripheral vision. It isn't about weather or not it's worth it, or if the human eye can't even notice the difference past a certain resolution. I'm just pointing out that gaming/PC hardware will NOT stop progressing. Ever. There will always be innovation, more demanding games, new peripherals, etc.

#48 Edited by Truth_Hurts_U (9210 posts) -
#49 Edited by RoboCopISJesus (1408 posts) -

@nutcrackr said:

F2P., MMORPGs and MOBAs, not exactly worth bragging about.

Uhh...why not? These are some of the absolute most competitive skill based games on the planet, making console titles seem like jokes in comparison: and many of them score AAA/AA....what am I missing here?

I thought we were over this whole "doesn't count" when idiots stopped doing it for RTS and Sim games last gen.....

@m3dude1 said:

id wager at least 700 million of that 711 million are just playing fb games or f2p crap. the pc market for non f2p/fb games is a fucking fraction of the console market.

I'd wager no 1 console alone beats PC's revenue if you take out facebook games. It's F2P games with higher skill requirement than any console title that help gives it high revenue btw.

What faction are you btw? You seem to flip-flop some kind of cow and lemming to try and beat PC, and you still lose. Might have to be part sheep too if you wanna stand a chance.

#50 Posted by Xisiuizado (45 posts) -

@bldgirsh:
Are you referring to me? If so, then I have zero idea what you mean. Why would I be restricted to ten posts? That'd be bizarre. O.o