Pachter: Predicting Xbox One outsold PS4 in September NPD

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#102 Shewgenja
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Didn't last gen teach anyone anything? Brand loyalty doesn't mean shit in gaming. Momentum is everything and it only changes when you make big mistakes.

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#103 rogerjak
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@freedomfreak said:

Patcher.

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#104 StormyJoe
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@tormentos said:

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I still think the gap is primarily based on the PS4 having a much higher early adoption rate of PS3 owners than the XB1 has of 360 owners.

1- The difference isn't that great. We are not talking PS2 vs XBox here.

2- Really? Because the Xb1 has more retail exclusives than the PS4, and has Sunset OverDrive and the MCC coming in the next 6 weeks.

3- Yeah.. there is such a huge gap between 8.1 and 7.9....

4-This is legit.

1-As big as 100% faster frames as big as 100+ higher resolution both instances recorded.

2-The PS4 has more games remember exclusive mean only on XBOx ONE,Ryse,DR3,Titanfall,FH2,MCC non of those games fit that description,but if you want to account those be my guess there are several games on PC and PS4 not on xbox one,fact the PS4 has more games by meta,like 29 more.

3-Yeah TLOU is 95% how many games on xbox one have 90+ and are not on PS4.?

4-yeah at least you admit that one..

And i still believe you are to naive,there is no evidence of xbox 360 owners not jumping into the xbox one late,i guess that is the same reason the PS3 didn't sold well because PS2 fans are still waiting to jump on the PS3.

Launch titles, Tormentos, only launch titles.

Compare library to library, not some narrow definition. I'd rather play the Xb1's games than the PS4's games.

Yes. That is exactly the reason. PS2 gamers didn't want to buy a $600 PS3. The price dropped, and PS2 gamers started buying PS3s.

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#105  Edited By Shewgenja
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@StormyJoe said:

Launch titles, Tormentos, only launch titles.

Compare library to library, not some narrow definition. I'd rather play the Xb1's games than the PS4's games.

Yes. That is exactly the reason. PS2 gamers didn't want to buy a $600 PS3. The price dropped, and PS2 gamers started buying PS3s.

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with gamers being stood up like a bad date for the Kinect crowd, could it?

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#106 danjammer69
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@FoxbatAlpha said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

If vgchartz isn't allowed then pachter shouldn't be either

Washington wouldn't

Lincoln couldn't

Grant shouldn't

Wait...huh?

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#107  Edited By Shewgenja
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Does anyone know when the numbers are announced? I just want to know when to get the popcorn ready.

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#108 StormyJoe
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@Shewgenja said:

Does anyone know when the numbers are announced? I just want to know when to get the popcorn ready.

It's usually on the 15th, no?

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#109 Elpresador-911
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lol pachter, ps4 easily dominated this month

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#110  Edited By Shewgenja
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@StormyJoe said:

@Shewgenja said:

Does anyone know when the numbers are announced? I just want to know when to get the popcorn ready.

It's usually on the 15th, no?

I don't think it's always the 15th.

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#111 lostrib
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@danjammer69 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

If vgchartz isn't allowed then pachter shouldn't be either

Washington wouldn't

Lincoln couldn't

Grant shouldn't

Wait...huh?

It seems to be a political slogan reference, but it's incorrect

"Washington Wouldn’t, Grant Couldn’t, Roosevelt Shouldn’t – 1940 anti-Franklin D. Roosevelt slogan, referring to Roosevelt running for a third term."

...not that it makes any more sense in this context

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#112 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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So PS4 outsold the XONE then? Got'cha.

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#113 FoxbatAlpha
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@lostrib said:

@danjammer69 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

If vgchartz isn't allowed then pachter shouldn't be either

Washington wouldn't

Lincoln couldn't

Grant shouldn't

Wait...huh?

It seems to be a political slogan reference, but it's incorrect

"Washington Wouldn’t, Grant Couldn’t, Roosevelt Shouldn’t – 1940 anti-Franklin D. Roosevelt slogan, referring to Roosevelt running for a third term."

...not that it makes any more sense in this context

Damn good memory LostRibs, I remember it from a long time ago and couldnt remember which Presidents were in it. You get a contribution point for the day!

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#114 jsmoke03
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thats surprising...is there a reason like a bundle or a price cut or is the ps4 just dying down now?

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#115 blackace
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If this is even remotely true, Cows are going to be having a serious meltdown. I'm keeping some popcorn by my computer, just in case.

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#116 tormentos
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@blackace said:

If this is even remotely true, Cows are going to be having a serious meltdown. I'm keeping some popcorn by my computer, just in case.

Does that mean that you would post again in NPD thread.? Hahahaaaaaaaaa

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/09/17/destiny-ps4s-biggest-software-launch-yet/

Keep the door to your bunker open and don't venture into the wild yet,remember that news up ^^..

The PS4 resister its biggest hardware week of sales since December...

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#118 lostrib
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@FoxbatAlpha said:

@lostrib said:

@danjammer69 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

If vgchartz isn't allowed then pachter shouldn't be either

Washington wouldn't

Lincoln couldn't

Grant shouldn't

Wait...huh?

It seems to be a political slogan reference, but it's incorrect

"Washington Wouldn’t, Grant Couldn’t, Roosevelt Shouldn’t – 1940 anti-Franklin D. Roosevelt slogan, referring to Roosevelt running for a third term."

...not that it makes any more sense in this context

Damn good memory LostRibs, I remember it from a long time ago and couldnt remember which Presidents were in it. You get a contribution point for the day!

Honestly, I just googled it since it seemed like an odd reference

All hail our google overlords

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#119  Edited By Shewgenja
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@jsmoke03 said:

thats surprising...is there a reason like a bundle or a price cut or is the ps4 just dying down now?

The reason is

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#120 PS4hasNOgames
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who cares, I don't play sales.

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#121 Livecommander
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@ps4hasnogames: what do you play ? Tf ? Forza? WOOOOW YOUR HAVING SO MUCH MORE FUN THAN A PS4 OWNER. THERES JUST NOTHING AT THE STORES THAT COMPARE. GET OFF THE PS4S BACK ABOUT GAMES. YOUR SYSTEM DOESNT HAVE GAMES EITHER!!!! Weather its 1 more or 4 more you rather play. its not enough to say the system has games yet. Jesus..

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#122 nutcrackr
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@ps4hasnogames said:

who cares, I don't play sales.

Why are you in this thread then?

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#123 ConanTheStoner
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lel pechter.

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#124  Edited By kunal1092000
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Has Patcher ever been right? Who employs this fool? I dont feel like googling this. I bought the XB1 over PS4 for a number of reasons one of them mainly being last gen my PS3 sat in the dust most of time and I only touched it for exclusives like Uncharted and Resistance. Another reason is because I don't know if SONY will be around another 10 years.

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#125 GrenadeLauncher
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dude, the biggest game on the Ps4 this year is a cross generational Multiplat remake.

Talk about throwing stones in glass houses,lol

I know! That's the sad thing about the whole mess. Well, other than the fact TLOU: R was a summer schedule filler and MCC is the big holiday game that'll really save the Xbone this time.

Cancel the gen.

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#126 Cloud_imperium
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Lol , Pachter .

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#127 FoxbatAlpha
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Get ready for cow meltdowns and Damage Control!

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@FoxbatAlpha said:

Get ready for cow meltdowns and Damage Control!

haha it's going to be a full year ps4 is decimating xbone in sales and you think cows are the one having meltdowns and damage controlling? damn you should get in touch with reality.

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#129 FoxbatAlpha
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@Krelian-co: just the thought of Xbox winning has you mad. Stay mad bro.

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@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Krelian-co: just the thought of Xbox winning has you mad. Stay mad bro.

oh yeah if by winning you mean having half the sales of ps4.

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@Shewgenja: I'm thinking it could be the gamers who were stood up standing in the DriveClub crowd who were screaming how great that turd was gonna be.

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#133  Edited By Shewgenja
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@andrew01093 said:

@Shewgenja: I'm thinking it could be the gamers who were stood up standing in the DriveClub crowd who were screaming how great that turd was gonna be.

I wouldn't know. I got Diablo III, instead. Way to make this about Five Club, though. Swing and a miss.

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@Shewgenja said:

@andrew01093 said:

@Shewgenja: I'm thinking it could be the gamers who were stood up standing in the DriveClub crowd who were screaming how great that turd was gonna be.

I wouldn't know. I got Diablo III, instead. Way to make this about Five Club, though. Swing and a miss.

Nice try on the reversal you idiot. You tried to blame Kinect when most people know the $399 Xbox is whats gonna increase sales. Funny how you act like you mention diablo 3 as if your so busy with it. lol lol lol lol. If you were you wouldn't be on here running down the Xbox by talking smack.

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#135 Shewgenja
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@andrew01093 said:

@Shewgenja said:

@andrew01093 said:

@Shewgenja: I'm thinking it could be the gamers who were stood up standing in the DriveClub crowd who were screaming how great that turd was gonna be.

I wouldn't know. I got Diablo III, instead. Way to make this about Five Club, though. Swing and a miss.

Nice try on the reversal you idiot. You tried to blame Kinect when most people know the $399 Xbox is whats gonna increase sales. Funny how you act like you mention diablo 3 as if your so busy with it. lol lol lol lol. If you were you wouldn't be on here running down the Xbox by talking smack.

I mostly post from work. It's my way of staying unstressed.

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#137 KratosYOLOSwag
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Pachter is a good guy, his trolling is pretty entertaining. Filling lems with hope and then crushing them makes for fun times on here. Lems never learn. Brings back good memories from the 3 million Xbones sold thread and the early victory celebrations.

I'm predicting 2:1 sales in favor of the PS4.

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@BronxBomber said:

As a person who owns both, the more these two VG giants fight it out, the better for me.

You just won System Wars.

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#139 tacoma1972
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So, are the results out today?

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@WitIsWisdom said:

@BronxBomber said:

As a person who owns both, the more these two VG giants fight it out, the better for me.

You just won System Wars.

I think the more one dominates the other, the more wide and varied games will come out to reach out to a larger install base. Last gen, the fanbases were more or less evenly split by the end and games were increasingly conservative cash cows. Gen 5 and 6 were far more experimental and varied than 7 was as a result. Just my opinion.

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@GrenadeLauncher said:

@delta3074 said:

dude, the biggest game on the Ps4 this year is a cross generational Multiplat remake.

Talk about throwing stones in glass houses,lol

I know! That's the sad thing about the whole mess. Well, other than the fact TLOU: R was a summer schedule filler and MCC is the big holiday game that'll really save the Xbone this time.

Cancel the gen.

Panic mode, confirmed.

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#142  Edited By GrenadeLauncher
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@draign said:

Panic mode, confirmed.

Heh. I've got the games I want and the games lined up. You should be panicking though. The PS4 has more than twice as many exclusives as the Xbone next year.

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#143 Shewgenja
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I predict the PS4 will do a barrel roll this month and the XBox fanboys am cry.

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#144 SecretPolice
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I predict no matter who wins it will have zero impact on the quality of the games for each system..... I award me the Win. :P

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#145  Edited By WitIsWisdom
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@Shewgenja said:

@WitIsWisdom said:

@BronxBomber said:

As a person who owns both, the more these two VG giants fight it out, the better for me.

You just won System Wars.

I think the more one dominates the other, the more wide and varied games will come out to reach out to a larger install base. Last gen, the fanbases were more or less evenly split by the end and games were increasingly conservative cash cows. Gen 5 and 6 were far more experimental and varied than 7 was as a result. Just my opinion.

You do realize you just said the same thing through a different perspective... right? No doubt, and people like him and I depend on those people to do that. Without a difference in sales things begin to stagnate. That is the beauty of owning both (or all) the consoles. Being in the minority, we know most will not get more than one either way, so we can express the best way forward without risking losing our advantage because people are stubborn and clingy, unwilling to budge from their idealisms. It's like telling everyone where a cave of gold (diversified gaming) lies in wait, but there is a deadly fire breathing dragon (their own stubbornness) guarding the mouth. Without places like system wars (among thousands of others) helping divide the pie we would have unison, and when we have unison, we edge closer to monopoly, and when we reach monopoly, we reach the end of competition, without competition our hands are forced, and while our hands are forced, we buy what is available since there is nothing else. A dangerous game of #danglingthecarrot while the ants scurry around searching for answers... a few already know ;)

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#146  Edited By WitIsWisdom
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@SecretPolice said:

I predict no matter who wins it will have zero impact on the quality of the games for each system..... I award me the Win. :P

I agree, in the short term, you are absolutely correct.

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#147 Shewgenja
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@WitIsWisdom said:

You do realize you just said the same thing through a different perspective... right? No doubt, and people like him and I depend on those people to do that. Without a difference in sales things begin to stagnate. That is the beauty of owning both (or all) the consoles. Being in the minority, we know most will not get more than one either way, so we can express the best way forward without risking losing our advantage because people are stubborn and clingy, unwilling to budge from their idealisms. It's like telling everyone where a cave of gold (diversified gaming) lies in wait, but there is a deadly fire breathing dragon (their own stubbornness) guarding the mouth. Without places like system wars (among thousands of others) helping divide the pie we would have unison, and when we have unison, we edge closer to monopoly, and when we reach monopoly, we reach the end of competition, without competition our hands are forced, and while our hands are forced, we buy what is available since there is nothing else. A dangerous game of #danglingthecarrot while the ants scurry around searching for answers... a few already know ;)

Yeah, but that still doesn't hold water. Nintendo hadn't dominated gaming since the early 90's but the Wii was a wildfire success. Gamers aren't so much into monopoly as they are into backing whatever machine is best built for their interests in a given generation. The fear of monopoly and the drive to collect plastic boxes to drive games on doesn't really serve any higher agenda. The natural forces at play dictate a winner and from that winner will come more varied and innovative games from developers wanting to separate themselves from the rest of the game offerings.

It's when you make developers have to split their code base among equally dispersed installed fanbases across gaming devices that are 'similar' in hardware configuration to each other that the companies making the games have to be increasingly conservative to make sure they make products that have universal appeal across said similar platforms. In this regard, the XBox One was a serious **** up and they can only muddy the waters for gamers if they try to artificially produce a competition by merely leveraging liquid assets to subsidize a bad idea. That's why I'm not really feeling any of that Kumbaya buy all the things rationale. It's bad medicine.

Who knows? Maybe Steambox will be the next PS4 in generation 9. Sony could decide they want to make an all motion control system, Nintendo herp-derps something they thought would have novelty appeal and falls flay, MS... revives Kinect mandatory and always online DRM.. We'll be glad every gamer backs the Steambox and it becomes a wild success because that means whomever is left around for Generation 10 won't make a fuckupbox. Meanwhile, the games continue being exciting because the competition is over what matters, being the games not the hardware they are on.

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#148 Heil68
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I predicted close sales before launch, so this would make sense. I have the PS4 coming out 5-10 million total ahead when it's all said and done.

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#149 Shewgenja
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Dedicated to the XBone:

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#150  Edited By jeezers
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Bu Bu but the sales..... Seriously could care less about sales, just want good games. WHERES THE BEEF