Official TOMB RAIDER Hype Thread (8.5 @ GS, Final Hours ep.6)

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#201 Posted by TecmoGirl (3965 posts) -

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]

IGN stream was nice. I wasn't wowed by it, but it definitely looks pretty damn good. A few moments that I couldn't help but be nitpicky about was the flow of her ponytail and those guys getting caught on fire while that one guy right across from them just watched as if sh** wasn't totally hitting the fan(LOL!).

Still a little irked about the health regen(if true), and I really wish she would scavenge a freakin jacket. I'm freezing just looking at her...Cooling_Down_by_Ewig.gif

AdobeArtist

You're not the only one who's brought this up. At the Eidos forums they're discussing why doesn't Lara take warmer clothing from scavengers she's taken down. In one trailer at E3, we see Lara shivering in the rain as she tries to start a fire. Which was fantastic as it showed the human element where the character is actually affected by their environment, and not just superimposed into it.

Lara demonstrates resourcefulness in how she tackles her enemies (like using the bow to choke them from behind is some damn good ingenuity) or how she uses a lantern as a weapon. So when she's aware of the frail condition of her tank top, worn out by dampness and dirt, you'd think she would figure out a good jacket isn't needed by a scavenger she just killed :P

As for the regenerating health, that was confirmed, which seems to be mainly a feature in combat situations. Crystal Dynamics also mentions that food and water will also play a vital role in Lara's ongoing survival and well being in the wilderness. Though they've kept a tight lid on how the two mechanics balance each other out. Guess we'll have to wait and see on that one.

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Oh and something else I wanted to bring up from the live feed last night - the video camera. Most of you might have seen the concept art of Lara juddled in her shelter, watching the viewscreen of the camera by a camp fire? Those moments are indeed in the game,as she relives moments of her time on the Endurance before the crash.

It gives great background details not only of Lara, but her colleagues as well. And I'm sure throughout the course of her journey, it will really punctuate the contrast of Lara's transformation, in who she is now and who she was at the start of her voyage, where things seemed so simple while on the Endurance.

I think it's amazing that they even manage to make me care about her not having anything warm to wear at all -- in most games, like I really wouldn't give a ****. But I genuinely care that she is secure in some warmth. And that little bit is just something that would add to the experience for me if given the option.

Nice to know that food and water will play a role. I had forgot about that. But yeah, I still just really wish they would go with the health packs in general as the norm over regen. It only irked me more because I was just imagining how intense it would be if you took some serious damage and you had to search out health packs in similar scenarios to where that big wolf attacked her in that cave -- that would really push the whole survival aspect so much further if you felt the importance of having to do everything with great care.

Other than that, everything else is awesome(really loving how convincing Camilla's voice work is as well). And the video camera moments should prove to be entertaining. I'm so eager to see if any of it matches up to some of the diary entries you wrote. :P

#202 Posted by AdobeArtist (23047 posts) -

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]any link to the gameplay you guys saw?freedomfreak
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/12/01/ign-live-presents-tomb-raider

Just in case, here's a YouTube Link

#203 Posted by AdobeArtist (23047 posts) -

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]I was really impressed by the environments. Looked very atmospheric. I just want to roam around on the island. freedomfreak

Same here. The 10 hr play time is clearly an estimate for those who only take the linear path of the main plot. I'm sure my play through will easily be double that, as I want to SEE every obscured corner of the island, plus to scrounge for all those relics, collectibles (especially the hidden journal entries), and the hidden tombs :D

True, true. You just go treasure/collectible hunting in TR games. You just do. It will be fun exploring every nook and cranny of that place.

And let's not forget, finding the highest ledge that we can send Lara to her greusome and bone crushing demise :twisted:

#204 Posted by freedomfreak (43736 posts) -

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Same here. The 10 hr play time is clearly an estimate for those who only take the linear path of the main plot. I'm sure my play through will easily be double that, as I want to SEE every obscured corner of the island, plus to scrounge for all those relics, collectibles (especially the hidden journal entries), and the hidden tombs :D

AdobeArtist

True, true. You just go treasure/collectible hunting in TR games. You just do. It will be fun exploring every nook and cranny of that place.

And let's not forget, finding the highest ledge that we can send Lara to her greusome and bone crushing demise :twisted:

I don't know if I can do such a thing :cry:
#206 Posted by jessejay420 (4089 posts) -
As a long time Tomb Raider fan,i cant wait to see how this turns out.. i hope it turns out well but im kinda bummed that there will be no swimming involved.. i kinda like the swimming in past tomb raider games :(
#207 Posted by freedomfreak (43736 posts) -
thanks guys, just started and already the game crashes lol, hopefully its polished enough when released.TheGuardian03
Yeah, something goes wrong everytime they do a live demonstration :P
#209 Posted by DarkLink77 (31886 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Looks like a poor man's Uncharted without Naughty Dog's technical prowess or writing chops.

Also Womb Raider.

Pikminmaniac

Say what? Run that by me again...

What's with you and Uncharted these days. The game series goes against everything you argued for in gaming. You had a huge change of heart as of late.

Uncharted has decent writing. It's not unique or original, but it's not bad. And no, I still dislike a lot of what Uncharted does. But I will give the game props for what it does well.
#210 Posted by freedomfreak (43736 posts) -
[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]thanks guys, just started and already the game crashes lol, hopefully its polished enough when released.TheGuardian03
Yeah, something goes wrong everytime they do a live demonstration :P

also the shooting doesn't look cool, bow shooting looks fine but the guns i have to play and see how it feels, the controls. it looks promising, i'll continue to watch and comment.

A lot will have to do with how it feels, that's true. They still have time to polish a few things.
#211 Posted by burgeg (3599 posts) -

My only issue with that gameplay was that there were absolutely no puzzles. At all. I like that there was some room for exploration and the platforming looked good, as did the combat. I also loved the atmosphere. But I can't help bit shake the feeling that puzzles in this game are going to be seriously lacking.

#212 Posted by Thefatness16 (4672 posts) -

Game looks pretty good, judging by the live stream. My interest was waning a bit, but this got me excited.

#213 Posted by AdobeArtist (23047 posts) -

My only issue with that gameplay was that there were absolutely no puzzles. At all. I like that there was some room for exploration and the platforming looked good, as did the combat. I also loved the atmosphere. But I can't help bit shake the feeling that puzzles in this game are going to be seriously lacking.

burgeg

Don't forget that in Tomb Raider, puzzles aren't just levers, gears, and pressure plates. The environments themselves are the puzzle that works with the platforming, and that has been retained here. On the former, they made a shift away from the mechanical engineerings of ancient civilizations that still function after anywhere from 4000-9000 years later.

Instead the puzzles are more organic to the setting, and comprised of manipulation of the elements. Using fire to burn obstacles out of your way, or where fire is the obstacle, figuring out how to get a distant source of water to put it out. Plus theres the use of water to carry materials to where you need them. Crystal Dynamics even hinted that wind will be an element of puzzle solving, but have been reluctant on revealing details on that one so there's still something for players to figure out.

#214 Posted by AdobeArtist (23047 posts) -

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]thanks guys, just started and already the game crashes lol, hopefully its polished enough when released.freedomfreak
Yeah, something goes wrong everytime they do a live demonstration :P

It's Murphy's Law in action :P

#215 Posted by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

After watching the live stream, i can clearly see the comparisons with Uncharted. For me, thats not a negative thing, as im an Uncharted fan myself, i welcome taking inspiration from it. The way i see it, uncharted borrowed stuffs from Tomb Raider and now its going the other way around, game looks nice :D

#216 Posted by DarkLink77 (31886 posts) -

They really should have put more non-lethal and stealth options into this game.

Because if I'm a scared little girl all alone on an island of people who want to kill and rape me, I'd want to avoid them at all costs, not fight them.

It would also make her decision to kill people have more impact.

#218 Posted by freedomfreak (43736 posts) -
It would be nice to be able to put on a jacket. Scavenge something. I hope you can do something about that. I'm not used to seeing Lara in the same outfit for a whole game.
#220 Posted by freedomfreak (43736 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]It would be nice to be able to put on a jacket. Scavenge something. I hope you can do something about that. I'm not used to seeing Lara in the same outfit for a whole game.

i hope they have skins for her like uncharted like fat drake lol, fat lara or nake lara lol.

:lol:nake. I never used a nake lara mod. I saw some pictures and her nipples looked weird, so I was like, fvck this sh!t. Sorry for bringing that up, Adobe.
#221 Posted by Cheleman (7865 posts) -

Nake, man...

That word always cracks me up:P

#224 Posted by freedomfreak (43736 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="TheGuardian03"] i hope they have skins for her like uncharted like fat drake lol, fat lara or nake lara lol.

:lol:nake. I never used a nake lara mod. I saw some pictures and her nipples looked weird, so I was like, fvck this sh!t. Sorry for bringing that up, Adobe.

pc version will take care of that.

I'll be getting the 360 version. I'm sure they'll have a mod for that on release :P
#225 Posted by Bigboi500 (31309 posts) -

It seems like this game is trying to be like Uncharted, which is funny because Uncharted started out trying to be like Tomb Raider. I was a bigtime TR fan back in the day, but after the fourth or fifth entry I lost interest in the series.

#226 Posted by Fizzman (9884 posts) -

i noticed the wall touch animation during the video, pretty cool and done better than uncharted 3, also combat looks fun, its gonna be good.

also saw this at gaf. reminds me of the armored guys in uncharted, btw she is walking in snow and wearing these clothes, weird.

http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/tippex2/shield.jpg

TheGuardian03

Is this Lara Croft photoshopped into Gears of War?

#227 Posted by jessejay420 (4089 posts) -

My only issue with that gameplay was that there were absolutely no puzzles. At all. I like that there was some room for exploration and the platforming looked good, as did the combat. I also loved the atmosphere. But I can't help bit shake the feeling that puzzles in this game are going to be seriously lacking.

burgeg
indeed. Puzzles are the whole reason i play Tomb Raider.
#228 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

Mm, nake Lara.

#229 Posted by AdobeArtist (23047 posts) -

It would be nice to be able to put on a jacket. Scavenge something. I hope you can do something about that. I'm not used to seeing Lara in the same outfit for a whole game.freedomfreak

Believe me I get where you're coming from. It was always a highlight of the old games, that I could select my outfit going into each level/mission, not to mention how it relfected on Lara herself, that she was so diverse in her style. She could be sporty, rugged, elegant, casual, stylish, militant, etc...

But I can accept in this game that outfit selections wouldn't necessarily be a good thing. In context of the story, it would diminish the ordeal she's going through. It made sense in pst games that in between levels, Lara would go to her mansion to prepare the appropriate attire for the next phase of her quest, be that diving suit, jungle wear, arctic wear, and so on.

But here, the whole point is that Lara must persevere with very limited resources at her disposal. Her appearance reflects her persistent struggle, and that without luxuries of resupplies that are at her convenience, she is afforded no relief from her progressive deterioration. Her journey is a marathon that will wear her down, but ultimately shape her into the adventurer she's meant to be.

That said, I had never considered the afformentioned idea of salvaging attire from fallen enemies. Which would work in context of Lara having to rely on her own resourcefulness, just as she does scvange for supplies throughout the game. Ah well.

But now I am remembering the pre-order DLC that's listed in the OP. Depending on where you pre-order you get the Hunter Skin from Amazon, which is basically the same thing as the default, but with a caking of mud or camoflage. Think of Arnie in Predator. Or for something radically different, BestBuy has the Aviatrix Skin which is a 50's style bomber flight jacket that Lara can wear.

They really should have put more non-leathal and sleath options into this game.

Because if I'm a scared little girl all alone on an island of people who want to kille and rape me, I'd want to avoid them at all costs, not fight them.

It would also make her decision to kill people much more impactful.

DarkLink77

I think it comes down to circumstances forcing Lara into confrontations she would rather avoid. At first she's on the radio asking Conrad to rescue her, only to find out he's injured and has to go to him, with the enemy encounters she must overcome to get to him. Then there's Sam who she must rescue, and so on, where it falls on Lara to put the needs of the crew before her own desire for safety.

But yeah I do see how measured pacing of avoid to confront could have deepened the impact of Lara needing to kill.

#230 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

Any new news on whether she will be naked in the game yet?

#232 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -
[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Any new news on whether she will be naked in the game yet?

TheGuardian03
she won't be nake, and if she was you'd buy it?

I'd buy it if she was.
#233 Posted by Thefatness16 (4672 posts) -

Any new news on whether she will be naked in the game yet?

RyanShazam

PC version

#235 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Any new news on whether she will be naked in the game yet?

TheGuardian03

she won't be nake, and if she was you'd buy it?

Haha that would not be a deciding factor on whether i buy the game or not. I havent played a Tomb raider game yet and this one looks pretty good. It has my nterest sparked. That would just be a bonus ;) hahaha

#236 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"][QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="TheGuardian03"] she won't be nake, and if she was you'd buy it?

I'd buy it if she was.

and if there is no nake?

No buy. I need nake in my games.
#237 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"][QUOTE="Michael0134567"] I'd buy it if she was.Michael0134567
and if there is no nake?

No buy. I need nake in my games.

What if they sold nake costume as DLC?

#238 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="TheGuardian03"] and if there is no nake? RyanShazam

No buy. I need nake in my games.

What if they sold nake costume as DLC?

Nake or "nake"?
#239 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Any new news on whether she will be naked in the game yet?

Thefatness16

PC version

What is the likely hood of some modding that?

#242 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -
[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"] she won't be nake, and if she was you'd buy it?TheGuardian03

Haha that would not be a deciding factor on whether i buy the game or not. I havent played a Tomb raider game yet and this one looks pretty good. It has my nterest sparked. That would just be a bonus ;) hahaha

oh i thought you would buy for nake chicks, you should buy heavy rain then.

I need Heavy Rain now.
#243 Posted by Thefatness16 (4672 posts) -

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Any new news on whether she will be naked in the game yet?

RyanShazam

PC version

What is the likely hood of some modding that?

Very likely.

#244 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Haha that would not be a deciding factor on whether i buy the game or not. I havent played a Tomb raider game yet and this one looks pretty good. It has my nterest sparked. That would just be a bonus ;) hahaha

Michael0134567

oh i thought you would buy for nake chicks, you should buy heavy rain then.

I need Heavy Rain now.

Heavy Rain was a lot of fun. I prefer Laura Croft to the chick in Heavy Rain though. The shower scene was pretty good though ;)

#245 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

PC version

TheGuardian03

What is the likely hood of some modding that?

day one lol.

Day one purchase for PC!!!

#246 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

PC version

Thefatness16

What is the likely hood of some modding that?

Very likely.

BRING IT!!! lol

#247 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="TheGuardian03"] oh i thought you would buy for nake chicks, you should buy heavy rain then.RyanShazam

I need Heavy Rain now.

Heavy Rain was a lot of fun. I prefer Laura Croft to the chick in Heavy Rain though. The shower scene was pretty good though ;)

Lara Croft > Most other characters indeed. Dat shower scene, time to go re-watch it.
#248 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"] I need Heavy Rain now.Michael0134567

Heavy Rain was a lot of fun. I prefer Laura Croft to the chick in Heavy Rain though. The shower scene was pretty good though ;)

Lara Croft > Most other characters indeed. Dat shower scene, time to go re-watch it.

Good luck getting through the intro of that game again. I couldnt do it haha I guess thats what the internet is for though ;)

#249 Posted by DarkLink77 (31886 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

They really should have put more non-lethal and stealth options into this game.

Because if I'm a scared little girl all alone on an island of people who want to kill and rape me, I'd want to avoid them at all costs, not fight them.

It would also make her decision to kill people have more impact.

AdobeArtist

I think it comes down to circumstances forcing Lara into confrontations she would rather avoid. At first she's on the radio asking Conrad to rescue her, only to find out he's injured and has to go to him, with the enemy encounters she must overcome to get to him. Then there's Sam who she must rescue, and so on, where it falls on Lara to put the needs of the crew before her own desire for safety.

But yeah I do see how measured pacing of avoid to confront could have deepened the impact of Lara needing to kill.

That's all fine and dandy, but I think I'll have a hard time buying the "The decision to kill someone is a major thing for her" when she's going to kill hundreds of people on this island and walk it off like a female version of Nathan Drake. I mean, come on. I know video games struggle with this sh!t all the time, but there was a really easy way to deal with it in this game, and they just opted not to do it.
#250 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

They really should have put more non-lethal and stealth options into this game.

Because if I'm a scared little girl all alone on an island of people who want to kill and rape me, I'd want to avoid them at all costs, not fight them.

It would also make her decision to kill people have more impact.

DarkLink77

I think it comes down to circumstances forcing Lara into confrontations she would rather avoid. At first she's on the radio asking Conrad to rescue her, only to find out he's injured and has to go to him, with the enemy encounters she must overcome to get to him. Then there's Sam who she must rescue, and so on, where it falls on Lara to put the needs of the crew before her own desire for safety.

But yeah I do see how measured pacing of avoid to confront could have deepened the impact of Lara needing to kill.

That's all fine and dandy, but I think I'll have a hard time buying the "The decision to kill someone is a major thing for her" when she's going to kill hundreds of people on this island and walk it off like a female version of Nathan Drake. I mean, come on. I know video games struggle with this sh!t all the time, but there was a really easy way to deal with it in this game, and they just opted not to do it.

She needs 3 kils to become a Croft... Oh wait lol